Let me give you my view about when "the end" in Matthew 24:14 is. You said in response to a question about when the gospel will go throughout the whole world that . . .
>>>"In Mt. 24:14, it is just before "the end" comes. This end is the 3.5-year Great Tribulation that begins when the abomination of desolation is placed at the temple Mid-Trib. Rev. 14:6 is on the Day of God's Wrath, so the preaching is done by the two witnesses, the 144,000 and other believers up to the point when the Satan-possessed False Prophet kills Moses and Elijah.
I believe the clue to when the "end" is, is in the previous verse, 13. Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Believers will not endure just until the Great Tribulation starts, midway through the seven years. They will have to endure all the way till the end of the shortened tribulation, 2300 days after the covenant is first confirmed. This is the day that they will be raptured before the wrath of God falls fully on mankind. It makes no sense to me that the gospel will go throughout the world only until the Great tribulation starts. After the false prophet takes power and starts persecuting and killing many of the saints with the breaking of the fifth seal, do you think all believers will be silent and not share the Word of God for 1040 days? Where the Word is shared, people will be brought into the kingdom. The multitude that is so great that it can't be numbered in Revelation 7, the scene after the second rapture of the tribulation saints, were not gathered in just three and a half years and then just cut off. In my opinion that massive latter rain harvest continues till the "end" of the shortened tribulation when the whole church is gathered and the great commission is totally fullfilled. Does this make sense to you? Your brother in Jesus
What I was thinking was that after Mid-Trib, because of persecution, people may have to spread the gospel secretly, not openly, not that it would stop. That may be true, but that is not what it is talking about in Mt. 24:14.
Now that I see more clearly, I can see something else. Mt. 24:14 ties in with Rev. 14:6. The final act of spreading the gospel to the nations is right after the Pre-Wrath Rapture of Mk. 13:27. Rev. 14:1-5 is talking about the 144,000 after they are caught up to Heaven, after every believer is gone from Earth. Verses 6 and 7 say, " I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people, Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters."
That hour of judgment is the full end referred to in Mt. 24:14. It says, "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then (tote, at the same time) shall the end (telos) come. The next verse (v. 8) in Rev. 14, says, "Babylon is fallen."
Therefore, the gospel of the kingdom will be preached right up to the time the asteroid destroys Babylon at noon on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, which is the 2300th day of the Tribulation. The Tribulation saints will preach it until they are raptured. Then in the short time between the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the asteroid impact, the angel will preach it. Agape
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Gambling with peace in Mideast, Source: Times Union Albany, NY Publication date: 2000-06-01
WASHINGTON. "When Prime Minister Ehud Barak of Israel meets President Clinton on Thursday, he will report his expectation of a deal with Yasir Arafat that can be signed on the White House lawn in time to affect the U.S. elections....
"Key to the establishment of a Palestinian state in almost the entire West Bank is Barak's startling decision that the Jordan Valley is no longer needed for Israel's defense....Barak, along with another former army chief of staff, just made a military decision that changed today's negotiating equation.
"In the new military thinking, it would be unwise to continue to station Israeli forces in the valley between the Kingdom of Jordan and the new state of Palestine. If those two states were in alliance, goes the convenient analysis, Israeli troops would be in a cross-fire. If those two states came into conflict, then Israel would be in the middle, unwillingly involved...."
I would be very interested in knowing your opinion on the Bible codes. It was my experience to meet a person who thought he found some rapture information pointing to Dec. 1999 as the date for it and was totally convinced. I'm wondering if the date could be in the codes but no one is able to interpret it?
I'm also wondering if it is possible that there are people that God has revealed the date of the rapture to, and they have not for whatever reasons shared it. I would be interested in your opinion.
I would very much appreciate getting your opinion on these 3 thoughts...Thank you again for sharing! God bless you!
I don't put any stock in Bible Code dates. I figure that if they were something to go by, the Rapture would have happened in 1998. There are as many numbers as letters in Scripture, way too many to make a certain date seem like the real thing to me.
I don't know if the Lord has revealed the date to anyone. I am more of the opinion that we have the scriptures. The clues are there in the regular sense of the words. It is up to us to search for those clues. Agape
As ever, until our Lord comes for His own, love and blessings on you and your work for the Lord.
I heard about the "secret Rapture" for years, only to find that Psa. 40:1-3 shows that it will be seen. It says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit (as Jeremiah was pulled up out of the miry pit with rags under the cords), out of the miry clay (our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture in Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." Agape
Marilyn, I was just wondering what could YOU be feeling at this point in time, it being SO close now. Are you just marvelling at ALL the signs taking place, like me? What is your Spirit telling you at this point? I did a study on Micah 7:1 and found that is a pre-tribulation rapture:
"Woe is me, for I am as when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grape gleanings of the vintage. There is NO Cluster to Eat, of the First Ripe Fruit, my soul desired the First Ripe Fruit."
This is absolutely amazing to word study! It's a perfect match to what you believe, too. Pre-trib rapture then the tribulation period begins, then the Anti Christ is revealed and the Jews are persecuted severally for God's sake.
What do you think of this scripture and please tell us all about what your Spirit is speaking to you at this point in the race.
Thanks so much, You are Blessed of the Lord, Young Lady!
When things come up like the One World Government (OWG), the ten divisions of this world, the United Religions (UR) and the Final Status Peace Agreement, I tell Ed the news. Then we just look at each other, shake our heads and say, "Whew! things are all falling right into place, aren't they."
> > I did a study on Micah 7:1 and found that is a pre-tribulation rapture
You didn't include your word study, so I don't know what you found, but unless you can show me different, this is my understanding of Mic. 7:1,2.
It says, " Woe is me! for I am as (symbolic language, he is cast as a Tribulation saint here) when they have gathered the summer fruits, as the grapegleanings of the vintage (Tishri 1 is the vintage and Pre-Wrath Rapture): there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the FIRSTRIPE FRUIT (at the Pre-Trib Rapture, as in Song of Sol. 2:10-14). The good man is perished (abad, ESCAPED, CAUSED TO VANISH) out of the earth: and there is none upright among men."
When they went in to spy out the Promised Land, Nu. 13:20 says for them to see, "what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was THE TIME OF THE FIRSTRIPE GRAPES." It seems that we are going to spy out our Promised Land. What do you think? And, that was TWO YEARS (Nu. 10:11) after the Pentecost at Sinai. That could be significant. It also brings to mind that we should believe the Lord as Joshua and Caleb did, implicitly. If he says something, he will bring it to pass.
Verse 9 says, " I will bear the indignation of the LORD, because I have sinned against him, until he plead my cause (at the Judgment Seat of Christ on Tishri 1), and execute judgment for me: he will bring me forth to the light (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and I shall behold his righteousness."
Verse 15 says, " According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt (i.e., the 40 years, 1967 to 2007) will I shew unto him marvellous things. The nations shall see and be confounded at all their might" (Israel's). We are living in the time of the last generation. We are seeing some of the "marvellous" (pala, hidden, miraculous) things and understanding others. I think it is an exciting time to live, if we just remember that all the mushrooming of evil had to come because it is the end of the age. Instead of complaining about it, I keep saying, "Well, what did you expect? It's the end of the age."
These are "the latter days." Jer. 23:18-20 says, "For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the False Prophet, idol shepherd, will be blinded in his right eye and his right arm will be "clean dried up," Zech. 11:17). The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days (our days) ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly." We now know that it is an asteroid that will impact Earth because of the "whirlwind of the LORD." Agape
Let's keep one thing in mind here that we are both believers in Christ. We strongly disagree on the rapture but time will tell. I also know that neither of us are worried that our own belief is wrong. Again, time will tell. I know you have many, many supporters. Remember as I told you, I was in agreement with you at one time. I no longer agree with the rapture belief. In fact I now am strongly against it because I realize what a SETUP it is. As for the email from your supporter, let me explain why most, if not, ALL the rapture believers will be decieved by satan when he gets here claiming to be Christ, even though they are not immediately sucked away.
The rapture believers are expecting Christ to come in the clouds and quickly call them to Himself just before the tribulation, or around that time. They believe they will then be sucked off the earth into heaven.
(Just as an aside here: This presents a real problem because if all these peolpe are suddenly sucked away then trains, planes and automobiles and who knows what else will suddenly become unmanned. Many major disasters would happen, killing many peolpe at that time. I have a real problem believing God works this way. He doesn't, it's silly.)
BUT, what will happen is: satan will come JUST AS CHRIST is comming and as he appears he will come down to Mt Zion (Mark 13:14) and claim to be Christ (2 Thes 2:4). He will be saying things like this-"I will be taking you all away real soon but because I LOVE you so much I want you to go and get all of your friends or family that don't believe in me and bring them here. I want to talk with them and show them that I am He. We don't have much time so hurry because if they don't accept me then they will have to stay here and suffer the TRIBULATION!"
He will be able to make lightning come from the sky and many other things that will be VERY convincing because he is SUPERNATURAL (Mark 13:22) and is VERY BEAUTIFUL and is comming in PEACE, or so it seems to the deceived! He will in fact end up staying here for 5 (five) months (Rev 9:1-10)(Mark 13:20) trying to deceive EVERYONE with the help of those who THINK they are doing well. "But woe to them with child and to them that give suck in those days" Mark 13:17.nWoe to them that are impregnated with the belief that satan is Christ and that nurse along his agenda.
His, satans, deception is going to be nearly, if not, definitely impossible to resist for those without the seal of God (Mark 13:21-23). If you are expecting Christ to come first then you are setting yourself up to accept this one because satan is comming first to do his thing. (Matt 29:24-31)(Mark 3:22-26) (Luke 21:22-27)(2 Thes 2:1-12). "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" (2 Thes 2:11)(ie the rapture theory). Christ comes after satan is here and ONLY after and NEVER before. (1 Cor 15:52) He comes on the LAST trump (only).
We as christian believers are all somewhat anxious to be with our saviour but. "In your patience ye possess your souls." (Luke 21:19) (Mark 13:13).
> > we are both believers in Christ
I agree, and there are some things that are more important than understanding prophecy. We should both obey our Lord's commandments. I Jn. 3:23 says, "And this is his commandment, That we should BELIEVE on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and LOVE one another, as he gave us commandment." Lu. 21:36 says, "WATCH ye therefore, and PRAY always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY TO ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Eph. 5:18 says, " be filled with the Spirit." If we confess our sins, as per I Jn. 1:9, the Spirit of Christ will well up within us as a fountain of living water. When we are filled with the Spirit of God, we will be accounted WORTHY to escape "ALL" the Tribulation, whether we understand all the prophecies or not.
> > I no longer agree with the rapture belief. In fact I now am strongly against it because I realize what a SETUP it is
The word "setup" does not appear in the KJV. It may be because in Jn. 10:29, Jesus said, "My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." Satan is not able to pluck us out of God's hand, either. Rom. 8:38 says, " we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord."
> > a real problem because if all these peolpe are suddenly sucked away then trains, planes and automobiles and who knows what else will suddenly become unmanned. Many major disasters would happen, killing many peolpe at that time. I have a real problem believing God works this way. He doesn't, it's silly.
We don't know whether this will happen or not. We are not told. Maybe God will have angels take care of such things. Maybe he won't. We don't know, but the Lord has the power to cause problems or prevent problems, according to his own wishes and for his own reasons.
One thing that we are told is that some will be cut off at the time of the Rapture and will weep and gnash their teeth. Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) will come (at the Pre-Trib Rapture) in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:14) with the UNBELIEVERS." Mt. 24:51 adds, "shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation) with the HYPOCRITES: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH." The parable of the marriage feast in Mt. 22 ends with "cast him (the one without a wedding garment) into outer darkness; there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For many are called, but few are chosen."
> > what will happen is: satan will come JUST AS CHRIST is comming and as he appears he will come down to Mt Zion (Mark 13:14) and claim to be Christ (2 Thes 2:4).
When Satan comes to Earth is Mid-Trib, NOT Pre-Trib. Rev. 12:6-9 says, " And the woman (Israel) fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days (during the Great Tribulation). And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and SATAN, which deceiveth the whole world: he WAS CAST OUT INTO THE EARTH, and his angels were cast out with him.
Mk. 13:14, when the abomination of desolation is placed at the temple, is Mid-Trib. It is when Israel flees in Rev. 12:6, when there are still 1260 days left of the 7-year Tribulation. II Thess. 2:4, when he "sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God," is also Mid-Trib. These 1260 days are the days that will be shortened for the elect's sake (Mt. 24:22).
> > He will be saying things like this-"I will be taking you all away real soon but because I LOVE you so much I want you to go and get all of your friends or family that don't believe in me and bring them here. I want to talk with them and show them that I am He.
That does not appear anywhere in Scripture.
> > He will be able to make lightning come from the sky and many other things that will be VERY convincing because he is SUPERNATURAL (Mark 13:22
In Rev. 13, the one that is Satan possessed comes to power Mid-Trib. He "spake as a dragon," just as soon as Satan was cast out of Heaven into the Earth. He "maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth" (Rev. 13:13) in the last half of the Tribulation. Mk. 13:22 says, "For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." The False Prophet, who is the final Antichrist, rules during the last half of the Tribulation.
> > He will in fact end up staying here for 5 (five) months (Rev 9:1-10)(Mark 13:20) trying to deceive EVERYONE
The 5 months of Rev. 9:5 follow the asteroid impact on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. They do not precede the Tribulation. Rev. 9:1-5 says, " the fifth angel sounded (the 5th trumpet judgment), and I saw a STAR (aster) fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit (the molten center of the Earth). And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit. And there came out of the smoke locusts (symbol of demons) upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have NOT the seal of God in their foreheads. And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months." These demons are only to torment unbelievers.
> > If you are expecting Christ to come first then you are setting yourself up to accept this one because satan is comming first to do his thing. (Matt 29:24-31)(Mark 3:22-26) (Luke 21:22-27)(2 Thes 2:1-12). "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" (2 Thes 2:11)(ie the rapture theory).
Satan comes to Earth Mid-Trib. The first trump, first Rapture, is before the Tribulation begins.
> > Christ comes after satan is here and ONLY after and NEVER before. (1 Cor 15:52) He comes on the LAST trump (only).
Who comes at the FIRST TRUMP? It sounds in I Thess. 4:16. It is "THE TRUMP OF GOD." If you said Christ, you are right. I Thess 4:16,17 says, "For THE LORD HIMSELF shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with THE TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Who comes at the "LAST TRUMP"? It sounds in I Cor. 15:52. Again, it is Christ. The first gathering is of the Bride of Christ. The last gathering is of the rest of the Body of Christ. The former were worthy when the Bridegroom came. They were the wise virgins. I think the foolish virgins have to wait until the 2300th day of the Tribulation to be caught up to Heaven. The reason is because they were not worthy at the first Rapture. They didn't have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to go with the Bridegroom, Christ, when he came before the Tribulation. By the time they are caught up too, they will have washed their garments in the blood of Christ, Rev. 7:14).
> > "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" (2 Thes 2:11)(ie the rapture theory).
The lie is not about the Rapture. The Pre-Trib Rapture comes before the Tribulation begins. The Pre-Wrath Rapture comes just before God's Wrath is cast on unbelievers on Earth on the 2300th day of the Tribulation. The LIE comes Mid-Trib, when Satan is cast out of Heaven down into the Earth and enters into the False Prophet. He immediately heads for the temple, "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). The UNBELIEVERS that believe that he is God are believing the LIE.
II Thess. 2:7-12 says, " For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Spirit of Christ) who now letteth will let (Old English for hinder), until he be taken out of the way (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). And then (as the covenant is confirmed at the beginning of the Tribulation) shall that Wicked (False Prophet) be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a LIE: That they all might be DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
No Christian is ever "DAMNED." The ones that believe Satan's LIE are not Christians. Agape
Three years ago, I would have jumped to your defense and replied to his hatred in kind (because you refuse to be drawn down to his- and people like him- pathetic level). But after having watched you respond in total Agape to these type people for three years, I have personally learned to do the same. Now, because of your example, I know that Christ wants me to pray for these people in lieu of using their same tactics by attacking them in kind.
I would never have found this true way of living with Christ on a day-to-day basic without you to show me how to do it. Now I have a suggestion for you concerning Mr. Yegar. Do with him as Christ did with those who rejected Him: turn His back on those "villages" and shake the dust from their town off His sandals and go His way. You've given Mr. Yegar much more time that he deserves. Let him go. Shake his dust off your sandals. That's my suggestion. As always in Agape
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