Pro and Con 531

Posted 6-9-00

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Be sure to read Pro and Con 530. I think that crossbow in VELA is a double anchor, as if the ship ARGO is dropping its anchor in the harbor.

Do you remember page 35 of the Jan., 2000, Discover Magazine that you sent me? I keep saying every time I look at it that Eta Carinae, in our galaxy and the most glorious nebula in the heavens, now looks like a piece of lace rolled up and tied in the middle like a table decoration at a WEDDING reception. Now, it finally soaks in why. It is probably a sign of the up coming Marriage of the Lamb, for the Bride is symbolically on that ship ARGO, of which Carina is THE KEEL.

Note: Here are both astonishing signs that only God could make. Lu. 21:25,28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations)...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh."


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Your Pro and Con updates are one of the highlights of my day. Thank you for your encouragement. Hope to see you soon with all the others called to be with HIM.

My reply

Thanks for your encouragement too. I have a lot of people I want to meet one of these days.

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Perhaps you can check this out with Charles Capps....I was listening to the 1999 Prophecy Conference tapes and he suggested that Jesus 'left' this world just 7 years shy of a 40 year generation, at 33, and that the Church may 'leave' this world just 7 years shy of the 40 years since Jerusalem was recovered by the Jews in 1967. Interesting thought, yes? Agape

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This is essentially what I said, but just stated differently. I said that if you add 33 years to 1967, you get 2000. I think that this is the 7th of the good years. The Oslo Accord being signed Sept. 13, 1993 falls right in line. The other 7 that make up the 40 are the 7 bad years. I think they will end on Sept. 13, 2007. Since we are the Body of Christ, our times seem to be following closely the years when the Head of the Body of Christ was on Earth. He went to Heaven in the spring. I think we will too. Agape

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Just a note about something I have thought about many times. Twice in the Bible a nation has tried to kill innocent children. Satan tried to have the Hebrew Slaves destroyed and 80 years later Moses the deliverer of God's people arrived having been spared. Herod also tried to kill the children knowing of the King of the Jews arrival and again Israel's deliverer was spared. In 1972 (Roe vs. Wade) legislation concerning abortion allowed Satan to once again destroy children. It seems that Israel's Deliverer is coming again soon.

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These Scriptures are appropriate to pass on to you. We had a much needed gentle rain (about one inch) this morning. The Doves are all about our property. The smell of promise is in the air. I've taken a mini vacation just to stay in the spirit while praying for those in need. Oh, there is other Scriptures but the leading of the Spirit has me pass these on for your use. You have been a good Watchman. I am looking forward to meeting you! God Bless everyone's Day of Shavuot! May we be endued with power upon high: and ye shall be witnesses unto Him both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth (Acts 1:8 paraphased).

(Please look these up; they are too long for this file.) Ps 27:1-14; Ezek 33:1-7

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You didn't answer my question completly. Why me? Why was the dream repeately over and over, and why now, I can't get enough of the Bible. I believed in being baptizing when other believe you can just be saved and still go to heaven. People laugh at me, when I tell them about my dream, and I will tell them, it their soul that I care about, but yet they refused to believe me or listen, they are more concern for thier own desired and want.

There is nothing or no one on this earth is worth losing your soul for, I would give every thing up for my father and Jesus Christ. No onw in my church has ever experience anything like I have, and their is not suppose to women preacher is there?

What does God want from me exactly? The time is short he did say, and I must be ready and prepare and to tell every one the truth, and do you realized how many time, I have tryed and they want listen to me.

No one in my family has God come to them over and over, and I feel so bless for this, but so ashamed the way the people are doing, and it is so sad to see them with false belief.

What I am going to do is write an article in the new paper, and hopw it will reach people, and they will listen and under stand me, if they don't, then they can not say they have never heard the truth.

Even our preacher is telling people you can still go to heaven if you;re not baptized. Thank you

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I don't know why you. The Lord knows, though. There may be one person that you come in contact with that will listen to you and be saved. Don't worry about those that won't listen. Just keep looking for that one that will listen. Personal testimonies are a powerful tool. Your experiences make what you are telling others seem more real. They might not listen to just anyone, but just might listen to you.

> > I believed in being baptizing when other believe you can just be saved and still go to heaven.

Please reconsider on this one. The thief on the cross was not baptized, but he was saved. Water baptism is a symbol, not the reality. When we accept Christ, he baptizes us with the Holy Spirit. This is the baptism we have to have, not water baptism. Water baptism is a public declaration of faith in Christ. It symbolizes that we identify with Christ in his death and are raised up to a new life.

Rom. 10:9-11 tells how to be saved, and it doesn't say a word about baptism. It says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." Agape

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Thanks for your response. I knew that but there is just soooo much info it is hard to remember it all! Well, we are getting close hope it is this year! If not, I'll keep watching. HE is well worth it. If we are off don't let the scoffers get to you. Remember there are alot of us out here who are watching and praying with and for you. Love to you and yours

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Thanks. I hope it is this year too, and it seems that we are running out of time, but as I told a lady on the phone today, if this isn't the time, I won't be discouraged. I'll keep right on strong in my faith and studying the Scriptures. The Lord always knows best. I wouldn't change a minute of his timing if I could. May all things proceed exactly according to his plan. Don't worry about the scoffers. They are fulfilling prophecy and have to be judged by the Lord, not me. I just hit delete and don't read them. So what if there are scoffers. I didn't do this for worldly acclaim. I could care less about the scoffers. God tells us to love the brethren. He didn't qualify it and only include those that agree with us, either. If some do not go by Scripture, that is between them and the Lord. He is the one they have to answer to. Me, I can ignore their remarks and go right on doing what I think the Lord wants me to do. If I am one who is supposed to try to wake up the foolish and lukewarm ahead of time so they will be ready at the right time, so be it. I know of one girl I was praying for that just came to the Lord. Her husband said that she needed this year to get to that point. All the angels in Heaven rejoiced with me when that girl accepted Christ. Agape

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Re: What do you make of this?
Wow the things that are going on. I just read in the paper that there was an Earthquake Sunday, June 4th in Indonesia. There have been over 450 aftershocks since the original 7.9 monster. Another Earthquake happened Tuesday, June 6th in Turkey. Now the crossbow in the same constellation as the New Star. WOW.

Now that I have that out of the way. I want to see what you make of this. Luke 13:6,7: He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard; and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground?

I have read your interpretation of this and agree wholly. This is Christ talking of Israel and its forthcoming Wrath. But what do you make of the next couple of verses? 8 And he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: 9 And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.

I guess we would have to figure out which 3 years the first verses speak of. I just know that it is soon. Come Lord Jesus. Agape

PS: I was really touched by the email you received about the guy living in darkness and then suddenly being overwhelmed by the Holy Spirit. I had a similar change in my life over the last few years. Like him, I too did not listen the first two years and then just last year God pruned those dead branches for me. What an Awesome GOD.

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The church needed "SPACE TO REPENT," didn't we? The Lord ALWAYS knows best. II Peter 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to REPENTANCE." Thank you Lord.

How about earthquakes and great signs from heaven being in the same verse? Lu. 21:11 says, "And great EARTHQUAKES shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and GREAT SIGNS SHALL THERE BE FROM HEAVEN."

I don't think this sign from Heaven is really a crossbow. Turn it and it becomes a double anchor. Crossbows aren't double, but the symbol of hope in the Eastern Orthodox Church is an anchor with DOUBLE flukes, one set above the other. I am amazed. It is like the ship ARGO that has been backing into the dock is now DROPPING ITS ANCHOR. Not only that, but the symbol of hope in the Catholic church is an anchor with SINGLE flukes. That figures, since the Tribulation Pope is the Beast. This DOUBLE ANCHOR is so perfect, one side like a mirror image of the other side. Only God could do that. It even has an enlargement where the ring would be. Yeah, WOW!

> > he answering said unto him, Lord, let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it, and dung it: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down. I guess we would have to figure out which 3 years the first verses speak of.

The year 1998 was so definitely marked. I think it was the 6000th year of man's test being mortal and knowing both good and evil. It was the 480th year of the Modern Parallels too. It must have been the starting point of the four years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001). The Lord comes AND SPEAKS in the 3rd year (i.e., probably calls us up to Heaven). He neither comes nor speaks in the extra year. I think from Pentecost, 2000 to Pentecost, 2001 is likely to be the extra year. The digging and dunging probably is Israel giving up the West Bank to the PLO and the Golan Heights to Syria. Agape

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Re: Where can I find documentation of the "rapture"
I have been studying the Bible and from what I have read I do not see the rapture in God's word. In fact, the word "rapture" is not in the Bible.

***From Marilyn: Neither is the word Trinity. The word translated "caught up" in I Thess. 4:16 is the Greek "harpazo." When that was translated into Latin, it became "rapiemir." That is where we get Rapture from in the English. Call the Rapture Harpazo if you like.

Jesus said in Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. I have never read Jesus was going 2 times. God's Word says in 1 Corinthinas 2:51-54 - Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep (some of us will be alive when Jesus comes), but we shall all be changed (changed from our flesh bodies to our spirit bodies) because it says in 1 Cor 15 that flesh and blood can NOT inherit heaven, [1Cor 15:52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump:

***There is your clue. The Rapture in I Thess. 4:13-18 is the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD. The Rapture in I Cor. 15:51,52 is the "LAST TRUMP" OF GOD. Where there is a last trump, there must be a first trump.

for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.[1Cor 15:53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.[1Cor 15:54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. So Jesus comes at the 7th trumpet

***Jesus does not come at the 7th trumpet judgment. Those are sounded by angels, not by God. We are not destined to go through the wrath of God. I aim "to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come" (I Thess. 1:10).

and then ALL - EVERYBODY will be changed to their spiritual bodies and then it is too late to repent. If Satan is here at the 6th seal, 6th vial, 6th trumpet (the number of his name-666) then we will be here when Jesus comes if we don't worship the "wrong Jesus - the fake Jesus" who comes in like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. Satan is supernatural and when he gets booted out of heaven by Michael the Arch angle at the "6th trumpet" he will try to deceive the whole world.

If you can please document for me where the rapture takes place in the Bible please give me the scripture.

***I Thess. 4:13-18, Rev. 4:1. The first Rapture is as the days of Noah. The second Rapture is as the days of Lot. "But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all" (Lu. 17:29).

The parable of the wheat and tares does not say that God is going to take out any special people. Jesus said to wait, wait, wait.

***In what scripture? My Bible Plus program can't find it.

He said that the would let the tares grow with the wheat and then at the end - 7th trumpet - the harvest the would separate the wheat from the tares, keeping the tares and burning the wheat.

***Read it again. The tares are gathered into bundles to be burned, and the wheat is gathered into the Lord's barn.

He didn't say he was taking any special wheat out - he said they would grow together til the end.

***Some of the church will stay on earth until the 2nd Rapture. I want to be in the Bride of Christ and go with the group seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. The second group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:9,14. The first group are in Heaven before the 1st seal breaks. The second group are in Heaven between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals.

Note: Matthew is particularly the gospel for Israel, In the parable of the wheat and tares in Mt. 13:24-30, Jesus is talking to the "great multitudes" (13:2). He is talking to his natural people, Israel, who, as a nation, will go through the Tribulation. Here, it looks like "gather the wheat into my barn" is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. This is the harvest of Rev. 14:14-16: "he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped." These are the 144,000 and the "great multitude...of all nations" that stand "before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes" that come "out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" in Rev. 7:9,14.

...I just need your documentation to see if what I understand is right - but from what God has blessed me with, eyes to see and ears to hear - I am sure I am right....

***Paul was first given the information about the Rapture. Before that, it was a mystery.

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Re: 2 Sabbath's
I think they just meant from Friday night is High Sabbath and Saturday for regular sabbath.

In Genisis One it says that the day starts with the evening so after waiting for evening on Saturday, it would then be Sunday, then they could enter into the tomb. To us it would be Saturday night.

I think the decree to rebuild Jerusalem did start at 457BC but am confused with Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD.

Here is how I think the prophecy goes.
The 69th Week
Daniel 9:25 "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be build again, and the wall, even in troublous times."

Seven weeks + threescore or 60 = 67 + two more weeks = 69. There is seven days in a week so 69*7=483. Weeks equal years so 483 years till the Messiah.

The years till the Messiah comes = 483 minus The Decree to rebuild Jerusalem at 457 BC = 26 AD. Add one more year because there was no Zero in between BC and AD and you get 27 AD

Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Threescore is 60 + two weeks or 14 = 74
74 weeks = 518

Years till Messiah is cut off should be 518 minus The Decree to rebuild Jerusalem at 457 and you get 61 AD. No Zero Year - 1 so it would be 60 AD. Why this ends up at 60 AD. I do not know. Jesus has died on the Cross but Jerusalem has yet to be destroyed. I dont think its even under attack yet.

The 70th Week Daniel 9:27 "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

The seventyeth week ended in 34 AD so in the middle of the week 27AD-34AD would be around 31AD. So in 31 AD we would no longer need to sacrifice animals for forgiveness of sins.

69th week----------------------27 AD
70th week----------------------34 AD
Mid Week---------------------30-31AD Jesus dies on the cross.

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> > I think they just meant from Friday night is High Sabbath and Saturday for regular sabbath.

The "high day" was the Passover, the day that followed the Preparation of the Passover. Jn. 19:31 says, "The Jews therefore, because it was THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

>> > I think the decree to rebuild Jerusalem did start at 457BC but am confused with Jerusalem being destroyed in 70 AD.

As he explains in The Romance of Bible Chronology, Martin Anstey found an 82-year mistake in the period of the Persian Kings. Thus 536 - 82 = BC 454. 483 years - 454 + 1 = 30 AD, the year the Messiah was "cut off" (karath, killed) (Dan. 9:26). 30 AD + 40 years = 70 AD, when Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed. Forty means testing and probation. It is also one generation. In 30 AD, in Mt. 23:36, Jesus told the Pharisees, "All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did, in 70 AD (30 + 40 = 70). Eze. 4:6 mentioned the iniquity of the house of Judah as being 40 days, each day to represent a year. This was fulfilled in the 40 years from 30 to 70 AD.

Dan. 9:27 is talking about the False Prophet. The one week is the 7-year Tribulation. In the middle of the Tribulation, Satan will be cast out of heaven into the Earth (Rev. 12:9). He will enter into the False Prophet, who will then speak "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11). The Satan-possessed False Prophet will then sit in the Temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). This and his abomination of desolation he sets up desecrates the Temple. Thus, "he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease" (Dan. 9:27). Agape

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Thanks again for your interpretations. I would have never thought about the symbolism with the anchor. I was going by the picture. I should have looked at the picture more closely. That makes it a double WOW. The Lord never ceases to amaze me.

I do believe we are about to take a journey to the clouds.

Before, I had said that I had not seen any Doves around my house. Only swirling masses with funnel clouds. I live in Arkansas. Well that changed this afternoon when I walked outside to sit on my porch and LOOK UP. I was silently praying when I looked over and Two birds were walking in the road. I watched them closely as a car drove by. They didn't fly away but only moved over. Most birds would have flown away before the car even got close. I wasn't sure if they were Doves or not because I really couldn't see them that good. They were more of a Grey color. I walked closer and closer and then finally called my wife out. She couldn't tell either. I sat there watching them and then. One of them flew up and landed on the neighbors roof. Right on the peak. I could see the birds outline so perfect in the cloudy sunglared backdrop. That is when it became clear. They were Mourning DOVES. Two of them.

See you in the clouds soon. Agape

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The distinctive feature that shows me right away that they are doves is their small head. We are supposed to be as harmless as doves. They are a great symbol.

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