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Posted 6-12-00

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Re: Now Triple Rainbows!!!
I am starting to feel like Noah might have, I keep seeing more signs, and people are probably thinking I am getting nuttier with each announcement.

Since the Lord shows me signs, I must share them with the other believers, I feel strongly it would be a sin not to, I will walk by faith no matter how long we wait for our Bridegroom. At 7:00 pm on Saturday June 10, all five members of my household stood and watched the widest, brightest, most intense little arc of color, absolutely due east, right on the ground, not in the overhead air. I did not know that rainbows could even form this way. It was EXACTLY the same shape and orientation of the anchor graphic on the P&C a couple of days ago. It stayed exactly in place, and literally vanished completely in less than a minute. This is once again, the strangest thing we have ever seen. At 7:30 pm on Saturday June 10, ( a half hour later), we then saw a TRIPLE rainbow. I did not even know they existed. There were TWO color bands directly side by side, that is the colors completely repeated, two red bands, two green bands and so on, all side by side with no gap. Above this with a small seperartion, the THIRD band, EXACTLY the same shape as all the rainbows I have seen since March 11.(Interesting that this would occur right as the 90th day has passed since March 11) While we stood watching this, a small bird (i do not know what, but it had a VERY small head like you were describing as that of a dove) literally sang personally to us. I have never had a bird stare at us and sing while I watch a triple rainbow. It was closer than any bird has ever been to me singing, and there was no other bird it was singing to. It just sat there singing and staring at us, and as soon as the rainbow was gone. so was the bird.

Since we have now seen double rainbows exactly several days before Ascension Day, and exactly several days before the very curious death of the Syrian President, I can only emphasize that once again, something must be about to happen in several days, especially considering a triple rainbow, a double rainbow, and a special singing bird with a dove head. Any ideas?

I have one area for us to look at. Lyn Mize in his recent postings on 5 Doves discusses the destruction of Damascus before June 21. I am convinced that if we are interpreting the scripture correctly, which you agree, Lyn agrees, I agree, and I am sure others agree, the pre-trib rapture is when summer is nigh, which means it has to be before June 21. With this writing of mine today about the multiple events of Saturday June 10, let us see what happens by Sivan 11/Sivan 12 (June 14/15) which is same number of days after I saw the rainbows discussed in a couple of P&C's ago. Each of them had a definite event take place after the same number of days (first one was Ascension Day, second one was the death of the Syrian President. Agape

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> > I will walk by faith no matter how long we wait for our Bridegroom.

So will I; and these are exciting days for me. I'm watching all these new developments with great interest. I can hardly stop watching the solar storm. It is so much bigger than the explosion when I saw a comet hit the Sun.

Wow! Do you mean that you saw a double anchor colored like a rainbow? How big was it? I have never heard of a triple rainbow before, either.

I feel sure the bird was not a dove. They are rather large, but smaller than a pigeon (which they are related to) and coo instead of sing like other birds do. When I hear them most is of an evening, as if they sit quietly and coo to their mates before settling down for the night. The one that seemed to be greeting me when I first walked out into the back yard after we moved here was making its comforting sounds when the Sun was still high in the sky though.

Back when I was learning things so fast, several birds sang together in the middle of the night. Not only did I notice it, but my neighbor did too. It was that unusual.

Summer can vary from June 21, considered the norm, by one day. According to my calendar, it will be June 20 this year. That is 10 days from today. Nu. 13:20 says for the spies to see, "...what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes." I wonder how long a period is considered the time of the firstripe grapes. Agape

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Re: Revelation 14:12,13
Following on with the discussion in P&C 525 re the correct interpretation of "the end" and the link between Mt. 24:14 and Rev. 14:6, who is referred to in Rev. 14:12,13? We read, "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." Are the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus in verse 12 the same as those who "die in the Lord from henceforth" in verse 13? Are these in verses 12 and 13 the ones who are saved as a result of the angelic witness of verse 6 in that final hour before the vine of the earth is gathered and cast into the great winepress of the wrath of God (v. 19) or are they the ones reaped by the Son of Man, the Lion of the tribe of Judah at Rapture 2 in verse 14. It hardly seems the saints of verses 12 and 13 would be the ones saved after Rapture 2 (destined to be judged at the Judgment of the Nations) because they have accrued works which follow them and have kept the commandments of God. My problem in making the right association is that verses 12 and 13 occur between two references to the Pre-Wrath Rapture (v. 1-5 and v. 14) and along with the final angelic witness after the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the pronouncement of judgment on those who take the mark of the Beast in v. 9-11. Many thanks in advance. Agape

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> > Rev. 14:12,13?....Are the saints who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus in verse 12 the same as those who "die in the Lord from henceforth" in verse 13? It looks like the saints "that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus" of v. 12 are the ones of the Pre-Wrath Rapture pictured for us in 14-16 and "the remnant of her (Israel's) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" of Rev. 12:17. Those of v. 13 are "from henceforth," i.e., after the "last trump," the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

> > Are these in verses 12 and 13 the ones who are saved as a result of the angelic witness of verse 6 in that final hour before the vine of the earth is gathered and cast into the great winepress of the wrath of God (v. 19) or are they the ones reaped by the Son of Man, the Lion of the tribe of Judah at Rapture 2 in verse 14

Since the Tribulation saints are "before the throne of God" in v. 5, and the angel preaches the gospel in v. 6, those of the Pre-Wrath Rapture seem not to be the ones that believe when the angel preaches. The saints of verses 5 and 12 are caught up in the Rapture of 14-16. I think the angel preaches afterward. It says, "the hour of his judgment is come" in v. 7. Agape

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Have you heard the news of the sudden death of Syria's president? Apparently, he died on Pentecost. You have mentioned that the political antichrist could conceivably come out of Syria. CNN is saying that the gap in leadership in Syria will slow down the mid-east peace process indefinitely. What's your take on this latest turn of events? Thanks.

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I just got the news. Have been in bed with hot packs on my cramping legs till now. I'm sitting here with a hot pack on my foot. Need to go get an ice pack for my back and take some Motrin. Went to bed a bit before 3 AM, got woke up with dreadful cramps at 4, 5 and 7 something.

I don't know what will happen because of this new development, but one thing I do know, the Lord's plans will come true right on time, no matter what. I have wondered what leaders would be in the forefront at the Rapture. Things can change so quickly. Also, we don't know but what this development will have an opposite effect. We can only watch and wait. Agape

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Just making sure you have seen these comments from Lyn Mize. Thought it was an interesting letter. http://web.singnet.com.sg/~spirit5/letters/june2000/lyn610-3.htm ----wrote: << So, what do you think? Is the leopard about to emerge, but with only 4 heads? Let me know your thoughts.

From Lyn Mize: The Leopard is definitely about to emerge and Syria is the one without the leader. US Intelligence called this one correctly as they said about a month ago that Hafez would not live over a couple of months. Assad's death fits right into the prophetic puzzle as there will be a power struggle in Syria. They intend to appoint Bashar, Assad's son on June 25th, but I do not think that they will make it until the 25th before Damascus is totally destroyed....

The death of Assad has us right on schedule for the destruction of Damascus in the next ten days before summer (i.e., June 21st). This may mean the end of the Church Age tomorrow on Pentecost. We do not know the day and the hour, and the Lord said it would be a time that the Church did not think would be the time. The Church as a whole is oblivious to what is happening now in regard to events leading up to the destruction of Damascus, and the ten days after Pentecost generally carries no meaning for the Church. However, the Lord ascended into heaven ten days before Pentecost and the coming of the Comforter, and I think there is going to be a reversal of this process. The Comforter could cease His activity ten days before the Lord returns for His bride. If this is true, no new members would be added to the Church after tomorrow, and the Holy Spirit would cease His indwelling of new believers at the same time.

It would also mean that the destruction of Damascus, the Midnight Cry, and the Feeding of the 5000 must take place in the next ten days. I believe the Lord was speaking literally and figuratively when He said that when these things take place that summer is at the door. Summer occurs literally on June 21st and it occurs figuratively immediately after the Firstfruits Rapture.

It is also significant that the faithful virgin was frantically looking for her Beloved for a short period of time in Song of Solomon chapter 3. She found him only after a short time. I think the next ten days may be a time of seeking our Beloved frantically when the source of our supply of oil (i.e., the Holy Spirit) has ceased His role as our Comforter. This does not mean that He no longer indwells us or that He has left the earth, but that He has simply ceased His activities in comforting and filling us....God Bless, Lyn

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Thanks. Lyn can be so right on some things and, what I consider, so wrong on others. When Damascus is destroyed is the Day of God's Wrath, which I think is the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the Tribulation.

Isa. 17:1-14 says, "Damascus is taken away from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap....and the kingdom from Damascus...in THAT DAY (the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord) it shall come to pass, that the glory of Jacob shall be made thin, and the fatness of his flesh shall wax lean. And it shall be as when the harvestman gathereth the corn, and reapeth the ears with his arm; and it shall be as he that gathereth ears in the valley of Rephaim (as the reaping to cast into the 'winepress of the wrath of God,' Rev. 14:18-20). Yet gleaning grapes (the vintage, Tishri 1, first day of the millennial Day of the Lord) shall be left in it, as the shaking of an olive tree, two or three berries in the top of the uppermost bough, four or five in the outmost fruitful branches thereof, saith the LORD God of Israel. At that day shall a man LOOK to his Maker (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14-17), and his EYES shall have respect to the Holy One of Israel....and there shall be DESOLATION....the HARVEST shall be a heap in THE DAY OF GRIEF AND DESPERATE SORROW. WOE (Day of Jacob's Trouble) to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas (i.e., jet engines); and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! The nations (united nations) shall rush like the rushing of many waters (to attack Israel, Eze. 38): but God shall rebuke them (Day of God's Wrath), and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the WHIRLWIND (impact blast when the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Rev. 8:8; Zeph. 2:4,5)....This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us."

Jer. 23:18-20 says, "who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a WHIRLWIND of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the False Prophet). The ANGER OF THE LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: IN THE LATTER DAYS YE SHALL CONSIDER (BIYN, UNDERSTAND) IT PERFECTLY." Agape

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In you last P&C, you state, "...There could have been any number of orderly arrangements before Adam. The kosmos before Adam was destroyed. Animal life was annihilated. Death came upon mankind in THIS KOSMOS because of Adam's sin. If he had not sinned, he would not have had to die. .."

Everyone knows about the mass extinction 65 million years ago which wiped out the dinosaurs. Many do not know there were 2 mass extinctions prior to that, wiping out most life in the sea (where most animal life lived at the time). Evidently, God found it necessary to wipe the slate mostly clean and start over 3 times in the past. What is described in Revelation is by all standards another "mass extinction," the first when humans have been around. The flood was a near mass extinction of humans, but pairs of other animal life were spared to reproduce again.

My point is that mass extinction on the earth has had multiple precidents. The mass kill of living things in the sea, of plant life, of planet wide earthquakes prophecied to be coming shortly in Revelation should not therefore be taken as unprecedented on this planet.

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I know you have a list of 400's adding to the date Luther tacked his 95 Theses to the door, on October 31, 1517. I found it interesting in reading Dave Hunt's Berean Call today that exactly 482 years later, the Lutherans have joined with Rome in signing in Augsburg on October 31, 1999 a joint declaration of Justification, disclaiming previous differences. This, after 30 years of dialogue between Lutheran and Catholic theologians. Hmmmm wonder how this fits in your list? Doesn't exactly make your 1998 date we all thought so signifigant, but it is interesting.

The name of the article is A GREAT BETRAYAL in the Berean Call. Perhaps you can find it on their web site www.thebereancall.org. As ever. Still looking and waiting for His soon coming.

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Re: Ready, Watching, Waiting.
God bless your work. It's such a blessing. We are praying for you. Keep pressing on. We read your site everyday.

This morning, while staying at a dear family's house I was started to note this calendar scripture entry in their Kitchen

For June 10th the entry was "I am my beloved's and I am the one he desires." Song of Solomon 7:10 TLB

I flipped the page -- For June 11th the entry was "The bridegroom is coming! Come out and welcome him!" Matthew 25:6 TLB.

I appreciate you always sticking close to scripture - but I was so startled to see these verses on these 2 dates. I hope we will be going home soon!

My reply

Me too. That is our "blessed hope." As you say, we must be ready, watching and waiting patiently, whenever it is. We seem to be running out of time. Agape

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Re: The bow
Hmmm. Well, since you put it that way, I stand corrected. I suppose I need to get me one of those "Strong" things. (Gr., 'toxon,' Strong's 5115: 'a bow [appar. as the simplest fabric]:--bow'). Thank you again.

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It is the most valuable tool for Bible study I have. When I got it, my daughter and her husband scraped together half the price so I could have my own instead of borrowing my friend's. I would never have been able to understand as much as I do without it. I pulled out the top L desk drawer a couple of inches, set a folding TV tray table there with a piece of plywood on the table and over to the drawer. My concordance is always open there by my KJ Bible open on the desk. I even have room on the plywood for a bunch of other reference books. It's mickey mouse, but handy. I stand books on the floor between the legs of the table too. It makes good bookends. BTW, I now have Young's Concordance, used to have Cruden's, but gave it away. Strong's far better. There is a saying, Cruden's for the crude, Young's for the young and Strong's for the strong. It fits. Agape

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Saturday, June 10, 2000. Re: No Rapture at Pentecost

Well, Pentecost has come and gone, just as I said it would, due to the fact that this Feast has been long fulfilled. I have to say, I told you so, and now you can look forward to September 29th, at 4pm Est, which makes it midnight Jerusalem time, and the end of the 6000th year since the creation . Yes, the Rapture will occur this year, according to the Jewish Calender.

My reply

Well, tell you what, today is Sivan 7. Agape

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RE: Crossbow/Anchor
I found this picture of the "crossbow" very interesting and have outlined what I see as the depictive meaning. I clearly see this as a sign of the very soon opening of the first seal of Revelations. The "peace dove" being shot off in the crossbow, (the rider on the white horse with a bow) the face looking up as our redemption is near. I think that God in all His might would have turned the "event upside down if He meant it to be that way, therefor I don't really see it as the anchor or double anchor, unless it is the anchor that is about to be cast down. therefor still floating before it hits ground. What do you think? An amazing sign. In South Africa we are experiencing very strange weather conditions, here in Cape Town the wind is howling. I am still quite sure that our "home coming' is just around the corner which ever way we figure the time or day, if the Rapture does not happen this weekend, I know that it will happen very soon. God is sure to bless you for all your hard work and efforts. Now for a little humour:
Three wise men. = Magi
One wise woman. = MAgee
Agape, Marantha.

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Thanks for that last part, my first laugh of the day. I've been in too much pain to laugh till now. The muscles on the outside of both legs from knee to foot are sore from cramping.

Re: the anchor. Signs, much like prophecies, are not to be recognized as signs by unbelievers. Therefore, they can't be too obvious, because unbelievers are not supposed to understand. See how quickly astronomers dubbed it a crossbow, even though a crossbow is not double?

I do think the breaking of the first seal is drawing near, but one thing that gets in the way of your interpretation is the word translated bow in Rev. 6:2 is not a weapon (Gr., 'toxon,' Strong's 5115: 'a bow [appar. as the simplest fabric]:--bow').

Rev. 6:2-4 says, "behold a white horse (symbol of a prince of peace): and he (the Tribulation Pope) that sat on him had a bow (symbol of a religious leader); and a crown (head of OWG and UR) was given unto him: and he went forth conquering (nikao, to triumph, prevail; as in Nicolaitanes, where the priests set themselves up as lording it over the laity), and to conquer (nikao). And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him (the Tribulation Pope) that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great SWORD." A weapon is not mentioned until about the 2nd year of the Tribulation. The hoped for peace doesn't last long.

To the church of Ephesus, Jesus says, "this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate" (Rev. 2:6 ). To the church in Pergamos (which was willed to Rome), "where Satan's seat (thronos) is," in 2:15,16, "he which hath the sharp sword with two edges" (v. 12) says, " So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate. Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly (at the Rapture), and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." This is the "sharp twoedged sword" coming out of his mouth in the Preview of the Rapture in 1:16. It is to cut off the foolish virgins and the Laodiceans as in Lu. 12:46 and Mt. 24:51.

Another thought. This anchor is in the same place as the new star, Nova Velorum, in the reefed sails of the ship ARGO. Since an anchor is never up in the sails, it must be there to show us that it is associated with Nova Velorum. It is more like being cast out, but not yet deep in the water. See what you think now with this added information. Agape

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Re: Check out index3:
http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/ringmak.html
The author's website is:
http://area51.simplenet.com/users/bergrun/public_html/
Interesting phenomenon. Again...you are such an encouragement to so many!

My reply

I have read Dr. Bergrun's Ringmakers of Saturn all the way through and do not believe it. Under magnification, he saw what he thought were long "ringmaker" ships in the edges of photographs, where the data was not clear. I can't buy it. Thanks for your encouragement too. Agape

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Re: Daniel 9:26
Hmm, I think i'm realy not under standing this verse. I belive I added this up all wrong. Threescore is 60 + two weeks is 62 weeks. Which I realy get lost if I take that from 457. That would mean 62*7= 434. 457-434 would be 23 BC and way off from anything. It seems to me the others add up right, but having a hard time with this one. I'm just learning all this. Thanks for any input.

> > Daniel 9:26 "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Threescore is 60 + two weeks or 14 = 74. 74 weeks = 518. 518 - 457 = 61 + 1 = 62AD

My reply

The quote above is not my words. It makes no sense to me.

The command of Cyrus went out in BC 454. Martin Anstey, who wrote The Romance of Bible Chronology, found an 82-year mistake in the Persian King period. BC 536 - 82 = BC 454. Isa. 44:28 says, "That saith of CYRUS, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to JERUSALEM, Thou shalt be built; and to the TEMPLE, Thy foundation shall be laid."

In Dan. 9:25, there are 7 weeks and 62 weeks. Those weeks of years = 483 years. 483 - BC 454 + 1 (no zero yr) = 30 AD (the Crucifixion). The 40-year probation for that generation ended in 70 AD with the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. This is the 40-year iniquity of the house of Judah in Eze. 4:6. Agape

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Subject: Earthquake in Tiwan
First I would like to thank you for the time and effort put in to informing (saving) people. Your site if very informative and interesting. I have tried to talk to people about the coming events, but they either ignore me totally, or ridicule me as being a religious finatic or doomsdayer. I simply tell them "there is still time to repent and believe".

On CNN.com on the earth week section it shows a major eatrhquake in the south pacific and 9 others some being after shocks. One in Turkey also...was not the last one in Turkey during the time of the ecclips? and the time comet Lee was first discovered? Today (this morning) there was another major quake in Tiwan. This past week there was Lightning deaths in China. Two Volcano eruptions one in Italy the other in Africa.There was reccord breaking temps in Kwait (heat 120+ and Russia (cold -74). There were floods in china killing 74 people. A Coffee Plague in Uganda. Solar flares on the sun.......Why cant the world see the signs? One other thing I thought of, (I am not sure if anyone else pointed this out I only discovered your site 4 days ago) This might not have to do with anything since there is less than an hour left in this day but.....june is the 6th month Saturday is the 6th day and we are in the 6000th year, this looks like a 666 to me. Like I said it might not have any signifance but, I thought it worth mentioning to you.

I am kinda new to scripture but I have been a believer all my life (maybe not the best one but still one) and your site has helped me understand things and gives me hope. Thank you and Bless you.

My reply

I appreciate your kind words. The signs are adding up. Thanks for your listing more of them too..

Saturday is the 7th day. Sunday is the first day of the week. I think 1997/98 was the 6000th year since man was cast out of Eden, so I don't think the 6s are adding up so much. Agape

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Re: no rapture are you still there MJ Agee? any new prediction? do you still think God has intended for us to know the day of the rapture? i was so sorely disappointed that the rapture didn't happen this weekend.

My reply

As I have said a zillion times, I don't predict. I am not a prophet. I just tell how it looks to me. I will continue to obey the Lord's command to watch. I will continue to study and write, because I promised Him I would. I want the Rapture to happen exactly when He wants it to happen. He knows best. I will stand strong in my faith. Nothing could ever change that one iota. I aim to stay ready at all times. I am running the race to win the prize. So what if I have to run a little longer than I thought. I'll have all eternity to rest. And, who knows what wonderful signs he may show us. I am absolutely thrilled at what we just saw. Who in this whole world would have thought a double anchor would ever appear in the heavens. I am awed by the majesty of his wonderful works. Agape

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I have often wondered what was meant by: "...and the dead in Christ shall rise first: THEN we which are alive and remain ..." Just received a newsletter from Colin Deal (I don't agree with him on all things) he points out that the Greek adverb translated THEN is epeita(1899 Strong's) In several uses of this "epeita" it can mean several days, years or even longer. Please check out 1899 in Strongs. It really surprised me.

Sorry about your cramps in legs. I had A cramp like that in my left leg just last week, never had such leg pain in my life. It left blue spidervains above the cramped area. I found out it might have been a potassium deficiency. Hope it helps you too. Thanks for all. I think all of us who benefit from your wisdom should start sending in something in a little envelope to Sugar Gum Rd. What is the rest of the address? It is mostly obscured by the EMail Me sign. In His love

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I think epeita means afterwards. It isn't used a whole lot. Strong's 1899, says, "thereafter:--after that (-ward), then." Thayer's Lexicon says, "thereupon, thereafter, then, afterwards...used...of time and order...I Th. iv.17)." It is used in Gal. 1:18, but in Green's Interlinear, there are other Gr. words following epeita for "after years three." After Jesus was resurrected, others came out of their graves. He took them to Heaven that same day. At the Rapture, I can't see him hanging around in the air for much time to roll by. I'm sorry you had to experience the excruciating pain too. I feel so sorry for football players that have to be helped off the field with a "Charley horse." I've had muscle spasms since I was in High School. In those days, without even going to sleep, if I just hung my feet off the bottom of the bed--ouch, cramps. Now, if I just turn my foot a bit funny to get in the car, it cramps. I take calcium, magnesium, potassium, multi-minerals and a host of other things, and still have spasms, mostly in feet and legs, but also in my back and sometimes in other places. If I don't take them I have worse cramps, but they don't stop when I do take them. I have fainted from the pain twice, and would have many other times if I didn't lie down. Everything looks white. I have some prescriptions to take and a gel pack to warm in the Microwave, and my Dr. says that there just isn't anything else. Address: 8641 Sugar Gum Rd., Riverside, CA 92508 Agape

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