Pro and Con 536

Posted 6-12-00

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Re: The Third Day
I've been thinking about where you mentioned previously about Jesus comming a first, second and third time to the deciples in the garden and also with the parrable of the olive tree bearing fruit in the first & second year.

If Penticost 1998 to Penticost 1999 was the first day, Penticost 1999 to Penticost 2000 was the second day and Penticost 2000 to Penticost 2001 was the third day, then the midnight hour of the third day would equate to about september 2000 or Feast of Trumpets.

I am still hopeful that we will be gone before then but it does seem to fit.

On another subject, I believe that those of us who are to become Bride of Christ are comming under a much stronger spiritual attack in an effort by satan to knock us out of the 5 wise virgins group into the 5 foolish virgins group. Please can those of you who are able, pray for all the readers of this site that we would be given divine strength to overcome these attacks and be counted worthy to escape. Best Regards to You & Ed

My reply

Israel at Sinai (which stands for Heaven, 20:22) seems to be a type. They arrived in the month of Sivan (Ex. 19:1).

Ex. 19:4-11 says, " Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on EAGLES' WINGS, and BROUGHT YOU UNTO MYSELF. Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: And ye shall be unto me A KINGDOM OF PRIESTS, and an holy nation....And the LORD said unto Moses, Go unto the people, and sanctify them TO DAY and TO MORROW, and let them wash their clothes, And be ready against the THIRD DAY: for the third day the LORD WILL COME DOWN in the sight of all the people upon mount Sinai."

Doesn't that sound like Jewish inclusive reckoning? today being day one, tomorrow being day two, and the day after tomorrow being the third day?

Verses 13-17 say, " when the TRUMPET soundeth long, they shall COME UP TO THE MOUNT. And Moses went down from the mount unto the people, and sanctified the people; and they WASHED THEIR CLOTHES. And he said unto the people, BE READY AGAINST THE THIRD DAY: come not at your wives. And it came to pass on the third day IN THE MORNING, that there were thunders and lightnings, and a thick cloud upon the mount, and the VOICE OF THE TRUMPET exceeding loud; so that all the people that was in the camp trembled. And Moses brought forth the people out of the camp to meet with God."

Verse 20 says, "the LORD came down upon mount Sinai...and...called Moses up...and Moses went up." Then in v. 24, the Lord sent Moses down again. Then Moses and Aaron went up. The 10 commandments were given on Sivan 6, according the Jews.

Ex. 20:18,20 says, "And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the TRUMPET, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.....And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for GOD IS COME TO PROVE YOU, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye SIN NOT."

Mt. 25:5-10 says, " While the bridegroom TARRIED, they all slumbered and slept. And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And WHILE THEY WENT TO BUY, THE BRIDEGROOM CAME; and they that were READY WENT IN WITH HIM TO THE MARRIAGE: and the door was shut."

Rev. 2:10 says, "the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS." Does this sound like he will tarry 10 days "to prove" us? Sivan 7 + 10 days = Sivan 17, which is Tue., June 20, the first day of summer.

Luke 21:25-31 says," And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (lit., constellations)...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth (leaf out?), ye see and know of your own selves that SUMMER IS NOW NIGH AT HAND. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, KNOW YE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND."

We've seen signs in the sun (sun storm, CME), moon (moon lights, probably from escaping gases), and constellations (double anchor in the same spot the new star, Nova Velorum was seen on Sivan 7, Pentecost, in 1999).



Could the Rapture be as SUMMER BEGINS? Mic. 7:1 says, "Woe is me! for I am as when THEY HAVE GATHERED THE SUMMER FRUITS, as the grapegleanings of the vintage: there is no cluster to eat: my soul desired the FIRSTRIPE FRUIT." Agape

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I felt I must write in and tell everyone that a very unusual rainbow was seen in our area on June 10, 2000 as well. I live in British Columbia and they even put photos of this unusual rainbow on the 6 oclock news hour. It was not in the shape of a rainbow but the colors and stripes of the rainbow covered an odd shaped cloud completely. It was a rainbow cloud. The news reporters were even commenting how they have never seen anything like it. It was incredible, Surely something is going to happen very soon! Thanks so much for your work and encouragement Marylin, we must be so close now.

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Re: Double Anchor
I have read on your site that the double anchor represents hope in Eastern Orthodox Church(but not in Catholic Church) and that this Church has a different Pentecost. Was this double anchor visible on June 11 Pentecost? The rapture is called the blessed hope. Perhaps the double anchor represents the rapture. If visible on June 11 Pentecost, perhaps the message is that rapture will take place on Pentecost. Since the double anchor represents hope in Eastern Othodox Church, perhaps message is rapture will take place on Eastern Orthodox(not Catholic) Pentecost. In short, we may have been sent a message that the Rapture will be on Eastern Orthodox Pentecost. When is Eastern Orthodox Pentecost? Sincerely

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The Vela pulsar was observed with the Chandra High Resolution Camera Jan. 20, Jan. 28, and Feb. 21, 2000, and with the Advanced CCD Imaging Spectrometer on Apr. 30, 2000. Called a crossbow, it was pictured and announced on 6-7-00. A crossbow is not double, so the double anchor fits better in my eyes. I assume that it is still there, not having heard otherwise.

I have been told that the Eastern Orthodox Easter was one week after ours. I assume that their Pentecost would be one week later also. Agape

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Re: these people have planned a 6-22-00 counterfeit rapture
Shalom Someone showed me this site, even though it is new age, there are a couple of things that might be of interest. I started reading the current article "the exit-us" one. I then went to the link for the eighth day.

This link talked about the body of Joseph coming alive in the pyramid, at first I thought they were talking about one of the 12 sons of Jacob, then I realized it was the husband of Mary that they were talking about. They had a whole bunch of other weirdos in there too.

They talked about the pope and fatima. There seems to have been a mary apparition as far as I can tell. It seems to me that this might be part of the 3rd secret. It showed a pregnant mary and said that her 2nd son Ephraim would be born on Dec. 13, 2000. I don't know of any significance to this date other than that the #13 is a satanic number.

The main other thing which the current article talks about is their rapture on 6-22-00, which is a sure thing. They are to go down to the pyramid and the space ship will beam them up. There will be helpers there to assist the voyagers. They used several Bible verses, but they never used the name of Yeshua.

My reply

This is sick, sick, sick. It sounds like fallen angel talk. Mary is said to be Isis. There is talk of Thoth, Ra, Chaldeans, Eridanus (the constellation that represents the river of fire that runs to hell) etc. It is best left alone.

Remember the warning of Rev. 2:24, about those "which have not known the DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK." That also implies that there are those which HAVE KNOWN THE DEPTHS OF SATAN, AS THEY SPEAK.

Here are a few excerpts to show you how bad this is. My comments are prefaced with ***.
Some may equate this war with a religious conflict, the fallen angels, or good versus evil, and as we will see this indeed may be the case....

***It may indeed be the case. The truth sometimes manages to shine through the smokescreen of lies.

Our little ‘third rock from the sun’ happens to be, within the current time frame, in the most sought after location in the galaxy, a piece of prime real estate if you will. ...

"There is a war raging in the heavens"

There has been, (and will be), a conflict in progress beyond the planet Jupiter as recently as last February 2000....

***Saturn is beyond Jupiter, and there is an angelic conflict. The fallen angels will finally be cast out of heaven into the Earth Mid-Trib. Rev. 12:7-10 says, "there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night."

...the union of Joseph and Mary (Isis) can be seen symbolically in the tryst between Jupiter and Venus....

If a hole is punched through the grid, we will observe the fleets enter over New York, where they will make their presence known, and thus be visible. The people of Terra did not strike the deal, only a few took that that choice into their own hands. The ones who did will then know what occurs when Natural Law, or the Covenant, is broken.

If this is allowed to occur, the war being fought near Jupiter will enter our co-ordinate and we will be drawn into it. The Great Deception lies in the deal that was struck. The deal itself was a deception, setting in place the technology to allow the take over of Terra and to enslave her people, to prevent ASCENSION.

By being prevented from moving to the next level, we remain where we are, and on the course we are headed. This would result in the near extinction of the people of Terra, leaving the planet and it's resources to those who would desire this piece of real estate.

***As I said once before, this stuff makes me shudder. It is obviously propagated by deceiving spirits. We should leave it alone. Agape

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Bless you and Ed, and all your family, in Christ Jesus.

Well, we're still here....for now. I believe our departure is soon, no matter.

I have a few thoughts I would like your feedback on. I still remember the writer on one of your P/Cs last year who had the dream about you/us missing something so obvious. I'm still not sure what it could be, but it's fun looking!!

The one MAJOR event that is out of place with the feasts is Christ's ascension. I am curious if we are counting this wrong?

Acts 1:3 Refering to Jesus and his apostles, ".., being seen of them (i.e., the apostles, et al, AFTER HIS RESURRECTION) forty days,.."

Jesus was crucified on Passover and rose after being in the grave three days and three nights, ThursDAY through our early Sunday morning/Saturday night.

So, 3+40=43 days

Jesus ascended on the 43rd day into the counting of the omer. That left one week.

***From Marilyn: Jesus ascended on the 40th day of the countdown of the omer. It was from the Resurrection, not Crucifixion.

Acts 1:12 "Then returned they (the men of Galilee after Jesus' ascension)unto Jerusalem...a sabbath day's journey." So, was the ascension on a sabbath, or was the distance from the Mount of Olivet to their lodging simply a sabbath day's distance? I can't figure out how the ascension could have been on a sabbath day.

***I think the 40th day was Friday, Iyar 26. They must have returned to Jerusalem after 6:00 PM, which would be the Sabbath.

Anyway, the 50th day of the counting is Pentecost, or 49 is simply counting the full weeks, with the next day being Pentecost. So, 50-43=7 days, exactly one week. So, they prayed for one week in the upper room.

On the 7th day, the day of Pentecost was fully come and they were filled with the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:1, 4.

***There were 10 days between the Ascension and Pentecost. Also, they may not have been in the upper room on Pentecost. They may have been in the temple area. Acts 1:1 says "they were all with one accord in ONE PLACE."

I still don't fully understand why Jesus ascended one week prior to Pentecost if not to set some type of pattern for us.

John 16:7 "Nevertheless, I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send him unto you."

Certainly people believed, were saved and had power while Jesus was on earth, even prior to His first coming. So, this must be an extra something, perhaps related specifically to power. So, we have in Rev. 3:8, referring to the Philadelphians, the comment made that, "..: for thou hast a little strength, .."

So, it seems to me that for the Comforter to come, Jesus had to leave.

***Jesus Christ left so he could return as the Spirit of Christ, the Comforter. Remember he said he would never leave you? The Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the same thing. Rom. 8:9 says, "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his."

For Jesus to come again, the Comforter, extra strength, must leave. It doesn't mean people can't be saved. It just means there will be little strength, thus the reference in Rev. 3:8 to the Philadelphian's "little strength."

Acts 1:10-11 "And while they (the men of Galilee) looked stedfastly (they were watching) toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men (interesting these are men and not angels) stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come IN LIKE MANNER (i.e., in the manner) as ye have seen him go into heaven."

So, Jesus' reverse, or return trip, will be in the same manner as His going. It will just be reversed. I believe this may relate as well to the timing. Thus, if the POWER and STRENGTH left us last Friday/Saturday, then we should expect Jesus to return in 7 days, which would bring us to THIS Friday/Saturday, June 16/17, still well before Summer officially arrives.

I still just can't believe the timing of Jesus' ascension was inconsequential.

***Me either, but figuring out what it depicted is not exactly easy. There is a possibility that he will go up with us and then return as the Spirit of Christ 10 days after the Rapture to empower the Tribulation saints.

Additionally, remember the huge salar storm, CME, we had last week? The best viewing of the event, according to my memory of news reports I read, was to be at midnight on the 8th, and the night of the 9th (This reminds me of Matthew 25:6 "And at midnight there was a cry made (sort of like the cry in Isaiah 6:3, maybe?), Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him." Now, the bridegroom isn't here yet, He's still coming (i.e., cometh), but He's soooo close we have to immediately get up and go out to meet Him.).

We couldn't see much of the CME fireworks because of clouds and I believe we were at too low of a latitude. Nevertheless, the pictures of it on the internet are beautiful.

This CME also reminds me of Acts 2: 2-3 "And suddenly there came a sound (a loud noise, certainly it was 'loud' from a heavenly/astronomical perspective) from heaven (not from the earth) as of a rushing mighty (i.e., violent) wind (it wasn't wind as we know it, it was "as of", certainly it was a rushing solar wind), and it filled all the house where they were sitting (it filled the earth). And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire (the CME certainly produced a fiery appearance), and it sat upon each of them."

Perhaps the CME of last week was our clue that the Comforter was returning to heaven and Jesus is immediately on His way? The CME is certainly now headed for Saturn, since it has passed us.

So, any thoughts?

***The solar storm was 33 years after the year of the Six-Day War in 1967. Jesus was 33 when Crucified. It may be a sign in the Sun to show us that his coming is near.

Finally, I am not one to have religious dreams, or any dreams of much consequence. However, this morning, I had a dream that I looked up and noticed that all those around me were gone. I looked behind me, outside the bus, and everyone was gone. I immediately knew that I had missed the rapture. I backed away from the bus and looked up and saw a round, lively object about twice the size of the full moon, with a brilliant jasper, amber color, sparkling with live sparkles. All I can say is, it is the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I also knew immediately that that was where all those raptured were. It must be wonderful, I thought. I them backed up even further and began weeping terribly, because I knew I had missed the rapture. Then I saw many people coming out from behind the buses who were very, very, hard looking all headed to one building. It was a truly sad dream. Truly. I am praying that me and all my household be accounted worthy to escapre all these things which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man, and even more so now. But, the Lord will decide. My emotions were great sadness because of being left, but also incredible joy and awe in seeing what a wonderful gathering had taken place with Christ and His Bride. It was truly the place to be.

I guess we'll soon find out on both accounts. I do hope to see you and many others in the first catching up.

***Keep all sins confessed and under the blood of Christ. If you slip, confess it that very instant. Don't take any chances of being left behind for chastisement.

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Re: cataclysm I have Custance's Doorway Papers on my bookshelf and have read the entire series with great interest. He is thought-provoking, to say the least.

But, when the subject of cataclysm arises, in my opinion Immanuel Velikovsky's Worlds in collision, Earth in Upheaval, and Ages in Chaos stand alone. You and he have much in common in terms of methodology and daring. (I've mentioned this before to you)

Anyway, anyone who doubts the cataclysms of ancient history should read these books. He differs from you in that he puts the cataclysms concurrent with mans' presence on the earth. His description of the animal graveyards in the chalk cliffs of Dover, England will astound anyone.

May God richly bless you, Maranatha!

My reply

I have read all of Velikovsky's books. I agree with some and disagree with some, but enjoyed reading them. I wouldn't have wanted to miss those. My friend told me about Worlds in Collision, and I drove to a library in another city to get the one she had just returned. He was right about Venus being hot.

I got them from the library a long time ago. If you happen to have the book with the graveyard in Dover, would you summarize it for us? God bless. Maranatha and agape

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