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Posted 6-24-00

I copied this from Bob Wadsworth's June, 1999 Newsletter. I thought he really would know that Eta Carinae is in the keel. He said, "This star (Eta Carinae) is in the constellation Carina which is a part of the ancient constellation Argo (the Ship). The constellation Carina makes up the keel of the ship, and Eta Carinae is in the aft part of the ship."

While on his site, I made a note that on July 6/7, 2000, comet 1999 S4 will pass the same spot in Rosh Satan as Hyatuke and Hale-Bopp crossed on Apr. 10/11, 1996 and 1997. Does this third strike mean "Your Out"?

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...Speaking of iron. The person who stated the earths ferrite deposits were responsible for it's magnetism should refer to Thomas Barnes "Foundations of Electricity and Magnetism". A dynamo, (electromagnetism) is shown as being much more plausible. There could still be a fairly recent trigger though of when the moon was shoveled out of the sea by a collision as you have talked about. This could have caused angular momentum to make the earth's crust rotate at a different speed than the liquid core setting up the dynamo that is decaying as the cores speed matches the crusts.

My reply

Now, why didn't I think of that trigger? That explains the decay very well. Does that mean that Earth needs to get hit occasionally? Now that your mind is in fast forward, see if you have any ideas on pole reversal. The ocean floor shows many reversals. Did they all happen as the globe rocked from that blow?

Speaking of the upcoming hit on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Isa. 24:1-23 says, "1 Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof....5 The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore hath the curse (the asteroid of Zech. 5:1-4) devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left....10 The city of confusion (Babylon means confusion) is broken down...17 Fear, and the pit, and the snare, are upon thee, O inhabitant of the earth....19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. 20 The earth shall REEL TO AND FRO like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. 21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high (Satan and his fallen angels), and the kings of the earth upon the earth (the asteroid Satan lives on, Wormwood [Rev. 8:11], will impact Earth, Rev. 9:1,2)....23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign (this is Coronation Day) in mount Zion (Heaven), and in Jerusalem (Earth), and before his ancients gloriously."

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Re: Song of Solomon time frame. Does anybody visiting your website know what the state of the grapes on the vine are in Jerusalem at this present time. In England this spring is on record as being the greenest and most beautiful (indicative of the last of the seven good years?) just maybe if this is a worldwide trend physical spring is also delayed in Israel. much love

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Re: morestrange.htm.htm
See crater on Mars on http://www.rense.com

My reply

The white stuff looks more like smoke to me. Do you think this could be a recent impact site? Remember comet 76P was coming fairly close to Mars.

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...you should find this info interesting!
From: Jim Bramlett 6-23-00 Subject: Abib Post

FYI. Interesting feedback below on my message about Messianic Jew Michael Rood's study of the abib and conclusion that the correct Shavuot is not until July 9 and Rosh Hashannah October 28. My response to Jaime was, "I am less than a novice at these things and have not studied it in depth, so I really don't know what to think. However, my gut instinct tells me that that the abib method may be correct. Please keep me posted on any new insights you may have."
Jim
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From: Jaime Torrens 6-23-00
Subject: Abib Post
To: bramlett@magicnet.net

Thanks for the info. about Mr. Rood's updated position on the Abib.

Concerning your Abib post, I must tell you I've been checking out the Karaite-Korner web site for some time now and found very interesting the fact that the practice of observing the barley development, as one of the benchmarks to determine the start of the Abib month, has been neglected by a very big religious sector in Israel for too long.

After all, the very name of this month was changed, since the Babylonian captivity, from Abib to Nisan.

In April, when the time came to determine whether or not the barley was abib, you'll see on their web page that the karaites search for the abib found the barley still undeveloped, not only in Jerusalem, but miles away on every direction. They had to search the surrounding 15 kilometers from ground zero (Jerusalem)in order to find one crop of barley, some of it abib.

I believe that in ancient times this kind of far reaching search was not done. Now we have faster means of transportation and travel is easier; but back then to travel 15 kilometers to the Jordan Valley in search for some abib barley is sort of stretching it.

I believe that Mr. Rood might be right about the abib barley being rightfully found last May instead of April, as he must now believe (as I do) that the Jerusalem barley should be the benchmark to establish the Abib month.

The only thing to look upon now is whether or not Pentecost could be observed within the summer season.

If the barley development is important at all to establish the beginning of the religious year in Israel, then this analysis is very important indeed.

What do you think?

Perhaps still Pentecost 5760 behind curtain number 3?
In Jesus Mighty Name, Jaime
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***Hi from Marilyn:
> I believe that Mr. Rood might be right about the abib barley
> being rightfully found last May instead of April, as he must
> now believe (as I do) that the Jerusalem barley should be
> the benchmark to establish the Abib month.
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> The only thing to look upon now is whether or not
> Pentecost could be observed within the summer season.

***The two unanswered questions I have in my mind are expressed here. Not having scripture to answer these, we can't be sure of either, but the fact that there are two questions keeps me from wholeheartedly accepting Rood's decision. He could be right, and he could be wrong.

***I do have Herman Hoeh's "Note 1 In a note to the Sanhedrin Tractate (section 12b) of The Babylonian Talmud, the translator, Rabbi Epstein states, 'Though according to Biblical tradition our months are to be lunar (cf. Ex. XII, 2), yet our Festivals are to be observed at certain agricultural seasons; Passover and PENTECOST IN THE SPRING; Tabernacles, or Feast of Ingathering, in the autumn."

***This isn't Scripture either, so I will just wait and see. I hope Rood is right, but if not, I won't be discouraged. I will wait patiently until the time is right, whenever it is. The Lord always knows best. If I had to choose, I would think the barley would be grown close to Jerusalem and Pentecost would fall in the spring. That still would leave the issue up in the air this time.

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Re: Corrected calendar
I find all these calendar calculations very confusing. I used to listen to Michael Rood as a guest speaker on the prophecy club radio show before it was cancelled in my area. Apparently there was a lack of contributions after the new year. Prophecy club changed from pre-trib to post-trib and began a ministry based on mostly fear. They promoted lots of survival stuff for Y2K and sponsor speakers most of whom speak on upcoming destruction of America. I think people were disgusted for being kept uptight over upcoming Y2K disasters that never happened and view the prophecy club as the false prophecy club. Nevertheless I subscribed to Michael Roods newsletters because of the possibility that he may be right about the calendar corrections. I received a newsletter months ago saying happy new year, because he proclaimed the harvest to be abib, whatever that means, last April. Now, you say that he claims it happened in June. He spends a lot of time too putting down the pretrib theory, actually laughing on the radio at how absurd the notion is. The person who runs his newletter called it a "damnable doctrine". I unsubscribed after that. I marked on my calendar where someone had said that April 6 may be the beginning of 5760. I'm not sure if I got that from Rood. I tend to think that we must complete the whole 6000 years of human history before rapture can occur. I also think it should be in the year 5760. I'm not dogmatic about it but I think the jewish new year should go from rosh hashona in the fall each year. If Rosh Hashona is in September this year where does this October 28 date come from for a new year? I am confused but I know God is not the author of confusion. However, we have been missing it somewhere, maybe it will be next month.

My reply

I read some of Rood's writings yesterday. He has recently changed his mind and may be grasping at straws. Let's just stay ready and keep watching. Time will tell us soon enough. Agape

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Wow, a double rainbow in S.Africa.
It looks as though so many of us who are watching and waiting have been blessed with "double vision" lately. It is 9.00 am Thursday 22 June in South Africa, a cold, wet (well cold for us) wintry morning. A hour ago my husband and son respectively left for work and school. My husband has just phoned me from his cell phone to tell me that he is busy driving through the most incredible "DOUBLE RAINBOW" describing it in the most beautiful detail of colour and magnitude. As I was talking to him I looked out of my window and could only see a small section of colour band, beautiful but not double. I called out to my domestic worker to come out and have a look at the rainbow, as we went out the back door to get a better view the most spectacular sight I have ever seen in the sky greeted me, yes I too have now seen the double rainbow. We just stood and stared in amazement at the incredible beauty of it. Gen.9 v 13 "I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth." Praise the Lord. Marilyn I know that your interpretation of Rev.6 v 2 the rider on the white horse having a "bow" looks as though it could be "a man of the cloth" but I still see it as this: And I saw, and behold a white horse: (symbol of peace) and he that sat on him had a bow; (sign of God's covenant, the rainbow) and a crown was given to him: (the rider has been given authority) and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.(triumph over). Perhaps the double rainbows and all the peaceful doves that have been spotted by so many has a "double" application. ie. "bow" = cloth or simple fabric/God's rainbow covenant. What do you think? Thanks again for all your efforts....Agape. Fondest Regards

My reply

Wonderful! This sounds like the rainbow we drove into. We were in the right end of the inner color band.

I think the rider on the white horse in Rev. 6 is the Beast, as if you don't know that already. :-) Agape

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Re: Israel losing its "leaves"?
AP: "U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan promised the Palestinians on Thursday that he would work hard for the implementation of U.N. resolutions calling for Israel's withdrawal from lands it occupied in the 1967 Mideast war. Annan spoke after a one-hour meeting with Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat in the West Bank town of Ramallah. The Palestinians hope to establish a state in the areas Israel seized in 1967 -- the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and east Jerusalem. Annan's pledge came during a crucial phase in Israeli-Palestinian negotiations on the terms of Palestinian statehood. Israel has said it is willing to make far-reaching territorial concessions, but that it will not withdraw to the pre-1967 borders..."

My reply

I sure hate to see it happen. I'd much rather they trusted the Lord to give them the promised land. Agape

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Interesting coincidence that the complete text of the third Fatima Secret is to be revealed by the Vatican the same day as the signing of the charter for UR, that godless false religion.

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Re: next pope
In you last P&C was written, "...Early in his quest, Swing visited Cardinal Francis Arinze of Nigeria, the head of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue, and a prelate often included on lists of possible successors to Pope John Paul II..."

I think it is actually the pope after next, Pope Peter II, that will be indwelt by Satan.

John Paul II appears to be one of "the good guys."

My reply

I hope so. The Beast ends up in the Lake of Fire. I don't wish that on anyone. Agape

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Re: Fw: [Rapture2000] Fw: Moses and Elijah ...This info. was reported by Jim Bramlett. Read No. 8. Was Elijah raptured in the same place as where Moses was buried? Was he raptured at the same time Michael was arguing with Satan over Moses body? Michael took Moses' and Elijah's glorified bodies to heaven at the same time??? I am sure you would know if any of this is true or possible. Love
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From: "Darrell and Patricia Garrett"
To: 6-21-00
Re: [Rapture2000] FW: Moses and Elijah

An encouraging message from Jim Bramlett this morning...
pat
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From: Jim Bramlett, bramlett@magicnet.net, 6-21-00
Re: Moses and Elijah

On his television program this week, Charles Capps shared some interesting thoughts about Moses and Elijah as relates to the resurrection and rapture. I will try to summarize:

1. Unlike Elijah, who never saw death and was raptured, Moses did physically die and represents the righteous dead since Adam.

2. Moses' life span of 120 years represents 120 Jubilees, or 120 X 50 = 6,000 years since Adam. This is where we are right now-- 6,000 years since Adam, according to Bible chronology. Both Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the 6,000 year mark occurred either at the beginning or sometime during the current Jewish year 5760.

3. Moses represents the righteous dead who will come out of their graves at the resurrection/rapture. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17).

4. Elijah did not die but was taken up alive, or raptured. He represents that second group, the church, those "which are alive" who are "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air.

5. Thus, Moses and Elijah represent both groups who meet the Lord in the air at the resurrection/rapture: Moses the righteous dead of the past, and Elijah the church on the earth, those which are alive.

6. Interestingly, both Moses and Elijah were present at the Transfiguration, a glimpse of the coming Kingdom and the glorified Christ together with the raised righteous dead and the raptured church.

7. The voice of the "archangel" is heard at the resurrection/rapture. The only archangel revealed in the Bible, I believe, is Michael (Jude 9), so that voice must be Michael's. Capps believes that Michael, whose voice is heard, will accompany the resurrected/raptured believers to join the Lord. Michael also disputed with the devil about Moses' body (Jude 9).

8. Capps says that God purposely led Elijah to be raptured at the same place where Moses was buried, and that the time of Elijah's rapture was the same time that Michael disputed with the devil about Moses' body. Thus, Michael took Moses' glorified body and Elijah's glorified body to heaven at the same time, representing the resurrection/rapture of the righteous dead and the living believers of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17. He explains how the "whirlwind" that Elijah was taken up in really means "cloud," and that that Jeremiah describes chariots as a "whirlwind" (4:13). He believes it was a cloud of angels, perhaps the same cloud we will find at the rapture.

Capps said that the rapture is closer than most people think.

(He does not believe that Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses of Revelation, but Enoch and Elijah. He explains his reasoning and covers the above points in his book, "End-Time Events," Harrison House, 1997).
Jim

My reply

> > 2. Moses' life span of 120 years represents 120 Jubilees, or 120 X 50 = 6,000 years since Adam.

I have my doubts about this or the 120 years man was given before the Flood (Gen. 6:3) meaning 6000 years since Adam was created. I think he was created in BC 4044/43, that man's 7000-year test being mortal and knowing both good and evil started when Adam was cast out of the Garden in BC 4004/03. I also think the Jubilee cycle is a 49-year cycle, with the 50th year being also the first year of the following cycle, thus keeping the Sabbatic and Jubilee cycles aligned.

> > 4. Elijah did not die but was taken up alive, or raptured. He represents that second group, the church, those "which are alive" who are "caught up" to meet the Lord in the air.

> > 5. Thus, Moses and Elijah represent both groups who meet the Lord in the air at the resurrection/rapture: Moses the righteous dead of the past, and Elijah the church on the earth, those which are alive.

I think Enoch represents the Pre-Trib Rapture and Elijah the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The days of Noah seem to represent the Pre-Trib Rapture and the days of Lot the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Lu. 17:29 says, "the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all." Fire was seen when Elijah was taken up too. He had also been through a lot of trouble because of Jezebel, as we see in the Tribulation (Rev. 2:20). He even hid in a cave. Read I Ki. 19:4-12 and see if it doesn't seem to foreshadow the Tribulation.

It says that Elijah, "went a day's journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a juniper tree: and he requested for himself that he might die; and said, It is enough; now, O LORD, take away my life; for I am not better than my fathers. And as he lay and slept under a juniper tree, behold, then an angel touched him, and said unto him, Arise and eat. And he looked, and, behold, there was a cake baken on the coals, and a cruse of water at his head. And he did eat and drink, and laid him down again. And the angel of the LORD came again the second time, and touched him, and said, Arise and eat; because the journey is too great for thee. And he arose, and did eat and drink, and went in the strength of that meat FORTY DAYS AND FORTY NIGHTS unto Horeb the mount of God. And he came thither unto a cave, and lodged there; and, behold, the word of the LORD came to him, and he said unto him, What doest thou here, Elijah? And he said, I have been very jealous for the LORD God of hosts: for the children of Israel have forsaken thy covenant, thrown down thine altars, and slain thy prophets with the sword; and I, even I only, am left; and they seek my life, to take it away. And he said, Go forth, and stand upon the mount before the LORD. And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and STRONG WIND rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an EARTHQUAKE; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a FIRE; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice."

Here are some similarities. Preceding the Day of God's Wrath, when the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place, is a 40-year period of probation. On the day of the 2nd Rapture, I think there will be wind, broken rocks, earthquake and fire from asteroid impacts, but, according to Eze. 39:12, the Lord won't return that day. It will be 7 more months before he returns in glory.

> > 6. Interestingly, both Moses and Elijah were present at the Transfiguration, a glimpse of the coming Kingdom and the glorified Christ together with the raised righteous dead and the raptured church.

This seems to represent the Pre-Trib Rapture, but at this point, Moses and Elijah are about to appear on Earth as the two witnesses.

> > 8. Capps says that God purposely led Elijah to be raptured at the same place where Moses was buried, and that the time of Elijah's rapture was the same time that Michael disputed with the devil about Moses' body. Thus, Michael took Moses' glorified body and Elijah's glorified body to heaven at the same time, representing the resurrection/rapture of the righteous dead and the living believers of 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17.

Since Scripture does not tell us all this, I don't know if he is right or wrong. Both Moses' death and Elijah's Rapture were in the general area across the Jordan from Jericho. I don't think Elijah represents the Rapture of I Thess. 4:16,17, though.

> > He does not believe that Moses and Elijah are the two witnesses of Revelation, but Enoch and Elijah.

Rev. 11:4 says that the two witnesses "are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."

Zech. 4:11-14 says, " What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof...And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Both Moses and Elijah stood before the Lord of the whole earth at the Transfiguration. Agape

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I HAVE A QUESTION after reading your CHRONOLOGY OF END TIMES you write that the birth of Christ is the 2300 day of the shortened Tribulation SEPT 13, 2007 where did you find this in the Bible/ how did you come up with this date?

My reply

I think Christ was born on Tishri 1, in BC 5. Tishri 1, the Jewish New Year, is when he would celebrate his BIRTHDAY. I think he will be crowned on his birthday, Sept. 13, 2007. That day is Tishri 1 on the Jewish Calendar.

How did I arrive at Tishri 1 for his birthday? Hos. 6:3 says, "...the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."

In De. 11:14, the Lord said, " I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain," and he has. In Israel, the time of the former rain starts Tishri 1, first day of the Jewish Civil Year. The time of the latter rain starts Nisan 1, first day of both the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year.

Joel 2:23 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month." In the Bible, if no day number is given, we are to assume that it is the first day of the month. This is because the word for month means new moon, which is the first of the month for them.

Eze. 29:17 sets the day, " in the first month, in the first day of the month." We can tell from Eze. 45:18,21 that this is Nisan 1.

Then Eze. 29:21 says, "In that day (Nisan 1) will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

I think Jesus will return on Nisan 1. He is both King of kings and Lord of lords. The date of Nisan 1 is the most appropriate date. The King of kings returns on the same date that all the other Israelite kings officially took office, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year. The Lord of lords returns on the first day of the Sacred Year. That fits too.

It is also fitting that Christ comes as the former rain the first time and as the latter rain the second time. God works logically. Agape

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Re: Midnight
Thank you for all the hard work you've put in making this web site so informative. I've been following your work here for about the last six months, and don't miss a single pro & con.

I wanted to mention something that my family experienced the evening of June 9th going into June 10th. As it is Jewish custom to stay up all night this particular evening and because I hoped for the rapture, my family and I stayed up very late watching the skies. My oldest son asked the son with the watch "What time is it?"The time was exactly 1:00:00. He has one of those watches that shows the seconds also. Immediately he heard me say, "Oh! a shooting star!" Now I've heard that shooting stars are not that rare, but this was only my second time of ever seening one. I got to thinking. We live in the eastern United States and are on day light savings time. If you were to disregard this man-made timing, it would have been exactly midnight when these events occurred. Immediately afterward we noticed the birds singing, quite alot of them and they were day time birds. They were still singing when we went inside around 2:15. Could it be that we are entering into the midnight hour?

My family has also seen a beautiful double rainbow recently directly in the east. Blessings

My reply

It is sometimes hard to know what is a sign and what is coincidence, but the number of double rainbows that are being seen seems unusual to me. The singing of birds in the night seems unusual to me too. I have only experienced it at one period of my life, when I was studying so hard and learning so fast early in my many years of study. It was so strange, my neighbor commented on it too. Agape

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I just found your site recently and am sorry to hear that you are experiencing such painful leg cramps. Im sure that Satan would like to shut you up and so I will pray that the spiritual warfare you are experiencing may be diminished. Im not schooled enough in the Word to be able to understand and verify all that you and others have posted, however it has spurred me on to get my family's spiritual house in order. Though I am not certain of all that is on your site...I AM certain that God's plans are unfolding and that we all need to be ready! God Bless You! Because of Him

My reply

That is what it is all about. We need to be ready. You know what, if we believe in Christ, confess our sins committed since we accepted Him, and are filled with His Holy Spirit, we are going to make it no matter if we understand a lot of other things or not. If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong about other things and still make it.

There is something in me that just wants to know as much about the Bible as is humanly possible, but that is not necessary, nor is it everyone's calling. God's Word is our spiritual food, and we should be sure we are fed, but there certainly are different levels of understanding. There is so much packed into that one small book that to me, it is proof that it is God-breathed. No man could do it. There is more there than one person can ever figure out in a lifetime. That is why it never loses its hold on me. There is always something else to learn. God bless. Agape

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Re: Wheat harvest!
I believe the rapture is still a possibility for early July.I believe it can fit in scripture, also my neighbors do there first cut wheat harvest on or near July fourth. I can associate this with the Lords first gathering.

My reply

Thanks. Hope it is soon, but I intend to wait patiently until it happens. Agape

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