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Welcome back on line. I have missed you terribly, and have been praying for you. It means so much to me to know that you are there for the next 128 days.

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I just read your Pro & Con letters 52 and 53. Your answers, as always, are lessons in humility and wisdom. This, as much as your exegesis of Scripture, convinces me of the truth of your writings.

I am finding it more and more difficult to concentrate on anything except the coming rapture. I find that words to this effect flow from my mouth whenever I meet with anyone these days. I believe that the time is truly at hand.

I believe that the e-mail about dolly the cloned sheep was a revelation from God.

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I am so blessed by the spirit in which you answer your mail. You have such patience with those who ask the same question you have answered a thousand times and with those who clearly scorn you. Well done, good and faithful servant of the Most High God!

My reply

Thank you. I just try to remember that Jesus died for these people. I do not want to do or say anything that would be detrimental to them. What is really important is that they believe in Christ. Everything else is secondary. If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong about other things and still make it to Heaven. However, that does not mean that they will make it in the first Rapture, but they will get there in one of the Raptures. So, the second most important thing is to be filled with the Holy Spirit, as Scripture tells us.

Many people do not understand who Jesus Christ really is. If they did, they would not say that he did not know when he was coming back. No mere man did, but Jesus himself was not mere man.

He is unique. He is not just man; he is both man and God. He inherited his human nature from his mother and his deity from his father.

Isa. 9:6 explains that "unto us a child is born (his human nature), unto us a son is given (his deity): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace."

He is the Almighty. In Rev. 1:8, he said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending (i.e., the first AND the last, Lord of the Old Testament AND Lord of the New Testament), saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY."

He is YHWH, Yahweh, in the human body of Jesus. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Isa. 48:12,13,16 says, "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I AM THE FIRST, I ALSO AM THE LAST. Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together...Come ye near unto me, HEAR YE THIS; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me (Yahweh of Hosts, Christ)."

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND HIS REDEEMER (Christ) the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

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May the Lord bless you. You probably won't remember me but we 'sort of' met on Peter Michas forum. I was in dialogue with him concerning the book of Revelations, in that Revelations was given to John on a Sunday. You shared some things that I appreciated. Did not hear any more from you.

Wanted you to know that I picked up your book 'Revelations 2000' at a local store and am reading it as time allows. You certainly share some interesting things. Although I am unsure about some of the things you put forth, I have to admit that the spirit of revelation is at work in your writings....

Thanks again for the book. I'm only on page 97 but each time I pick it up I see something new. Peace be with you.

My reply

Bless you....Glad you are enjoying the book. I understand that some things differ with traditional thought. I started out with very tradional interpretations in my head, such as taught at BIOLA and Dallas Theological Seminary. I had not only heard Dr. Whiting (of DTS) in person, but I had his complete studies on Revelation on tape. I have Seiss' "The Apocalypse," etc. However, as I studied, I found some of what had been accepted as "gospel" was close, but not right on the money.

For instance, I, and others, used to judge whether a book about Revelation was sound by their interpretation of Rev. 1:19. Then, after I found out that the whole book was written as if the Rapture was "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10,20), I realized that even the accepted criterion was a bit skewed. It actually means, "Write the things which thou hast seen (before the Rapture), and the things which are (when the Rapture is "at hand"), and the things which shall be hereafter ("hereafter" the Rapture, Rev. 4:1).

This does not rule out the fact that Jesus looked back, grabbed some history from each church group, and then stretched it up to the present. Thus, he gave a view of the history of the church as well as the view of the present, when the Rapture is imminent. In the message to Thyatira, he even mentioned casting some into "great tribulation." But, he stood on the pinnacle of the Rapture to look both backwards and forewards through time.

Once I got that straight, I could see new meaning in some spots. One that comes to mind is the identity of the 7 kings of Rev. 17. Since it is written as if the Rapture is at hand, the king that "is" must be the Pope, head of Ecclesiastical Rome. This makes the first king Nimrod at the Tower of Babel, which I immediately saw was correct because that was where "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER" of harlot religions began. You know how different authors were always groping for the first two kings, naming different ones because they thought the one that "is" meant the leader of Rome who was in power when Revelation was penned.

Once I identified those seven kings, I read that the ten kings "have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (Rev. 17:12). This shows that there is a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation, for when the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13, the ten horns already have "crowns."

Another place I had to change my mind was in Rev. 12. I had thought that the woman was Israel and the man child was Christ. However, upon careful examination, I saw that the scene was mid-Tribulation, when Satan and his angels are cast down to Earth, when Satan then enters into the False Prophet and sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4) and places the abomination of desolation there.

This woman "pained to be delivered." With Jesus, Israel delivered before her pains. Isa. 66:7 says, "Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child."

In Rev. 12:4-6, it says that the dragon (Satan) "drew the third part of the stars of heaven (the fallen angels), and did cast them to the earth (they are cast down Mid-Tribulation): and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born (Mid-Trib). And she brought forth a man child (neuter gender), who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron (even the overcomers of the church of Thyatira are to "rule them with a rod of iron," Rev. 2:27): and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne (the two witnesses are the only ones caught up Mid-Trib, after the first 1260 days of Rev. 11:3 are over). And the woman fled into the wilderness (as per Mt. 24:15,16), where she hath a place (Petra) prepared of God, that they should feed here there a thousand two hundred and threescore days" (the last half of the Tribulation).

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Marilyn Agee wrote:
> I know that Yeshua is the Lord's name. However, he is many things.

Naturally. That is the nature of the Infinite One.

> Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) the King of Israel,
> and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) of hosts; I am the first, and I
> am the last; and beside me there is no God."

Of course I agree. I am not a polytheist. Yeshua is the Right Arm of HaShem. "Who hath believed our report and to whom has the Arm of the L-rd been revealed?" Isaiah 53:1

"O Sing to the L-rd a new song, for He has done marvelous things; His Right Hand and His Holy Arm have gotten Him the victory. The L-rd has made known His YESHUA; His righteousness He has openly showed in the sight of the Goyim." Psalm 98:1-2...

> In Rev. 1:8, Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega (i.e., the first and
> last), the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which
> was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

Many people miss an important point here. In Hebrew the first and last letters are ALEPH and TAV which spells ET. (Even David Stern missed this one in his Jewish New Testament and Commentary.) The word ET is the Hebrew definitive article (not to be confused with the "Ha"). Through Messiah we can have a relationship with ET ELOHIM (The G-d), without Him we can only have a relationship with a god. There is a lot in Jewish philosophy on ET, when the ALEPH TAV appears and when it does not. The Greek doesn't show this concept, but I suspect that since John was a Hebrew speaking Jew that the words came to him in the Hebrew language and not in Greek....

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Thank you for your web site. That was mind blowing information. Very believeable to me. I had some questions:

1.Being that Satan walked and ruled on the firery stones (planets), could a Satan ruled Martian civilization been destroyed during Rahabs destruction?

2.Is there any evidents of angelic presents on the moon (UFO)? I have seen a web site a while back which showed photos of ufo's on the moon during Neil Armstrongs visit. He had seen these spaceships hovering over craters and along the horizon. He had taken film and camera footage of this event, but has been censored and under lock and key to this day. 3.Is it possible that the dinosaurs existed before the re-creation of the Earth before Adam. Were they destroyed during the destruction of Rahab peroid?

I would like you to respond if you can about this. Thank you for your time and kind reply.

My reply

I have no way of knowing if Satan ruled a Martian civilization. As far as I know, Satan had to do with Rahab and Earth. Isa. 14:13 says, "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation." Therefore, Satan wanted to rule from Heaven. He was prevented from doing that, but he did wrest dominion away from Adam on Earth.

If civilization was on Mars, and I don't know that it was, it was probably ruined when Rahab was split in pieces. Most of the water seems to have been blown away. There are terrific dust storms because it is gone. Only the huge, now dry, waterways and high cliffs bear mute evidence of what once was. Angular rocks strewn over the top of the ground and the big scar on one side of Mars show that she was badly hurt when Rahab blew up.

As for the moon, we are obviously not told everything, but one of the astronauts said there definitely is a Santa Claus after seeing the dark side of the moon. What do you think he meant?

The wicked angels, demons, are all around us here on Earth, and we don't know much about them because we were created without the eyesight to see them. They are able to do things we are not able to do. There is the problem of figuring out what is real and what is not. The wicked angels are foolers, able to play with our minds and trick us into thinking we see things that are not there, or that we do not see things that are there. We are to have nothing to do with them. The danger is all too real. We must claim Christ's protection against their wiles.

> 3.Is it possible that the dinosaurs existed before the re-creation of
> the Earth before Adam. Were they destroyed during the destruction of
> Rahab peroid?

Yes, the dinosaurs existed long before the refreshing of the Earth to make it a fit habitat for Adam. They were killed by an asteroid impact, probably from Rahab. When Rahab was broken in pieces, I do not know. The Bible is mainly about 7000 years. Beyond that, we just get hints of what happened or what is to come.

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Got a few more questions or items that I would like your opnion on....

1.) Bible Codes: You seem to have found some interest in the new Bible Codes phenomenom sweeping through. I'm not quite sure the wholesale use of methodologies to determine hidden dates inthe Bible is right, nor is there a Scriptural basis for it. However, I would ask that you take a look at a website that may cause you to re-think your excitement of the Bible Code Phenom.... It offers some interesting rebuttals to the Bible Code theory of predicting future events.

2.) "Having our Lamps filled with enough oil"...I've seen that phrase expressed by you several times in the context of those that will be taken away at the Rapture of the Church. My only problem with this statement is in understanding what is "enough" oil? I think we are filled daily by our walk with the Lord....through our prayers and conversations with Him, through our daily devotion to the tasks we have at hand, to the confession of sin, through being salt and light to a dying world. Maybe we're talking about the same things here....but the phrase "having enough oil in our lamps" sometimes sticks in my craw because it seems like it implies having to have enough of something else beyond simpy confessing Jesus as Lord and confessiong that He is the only way to eternal life.

My reply

I visited the web site. However, when I first heard of the codes, I read a lot of pro and cons on the Internet.

I have a new email to post for Peter Hader as soon as I can get the HTML put on it. I'll attach it for you. In it he makes a good point, that As Christians we know things that others do not about the future. I agree that the Bible tells us things to come. They are as good as done. What the Lord says comes to pass 100%. He is in complete control.

As for me, I think that ELS words have to have been placed there by God. I have reservations about vertical and diagonal words. Changing the number of letters in a line changes those. However, when they all appear to be on the same subject, it makes me wonder.

Re: being filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. As far as I know, there is only one way to quickly buy the oil the foolish virgins were short of, confess our known sins to God so he can clease us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9). Then we are not quenching the Spirit.

This is something beyond confessing Jesus as Lord and the only way to eternal life. The Laodiceans have done that. They are in the body of Christ or they could not be spewed out. The foolish virgins have done that. They are virgins. Still, there is a difference between the wise and the foolish.

When we first believe, all our "OLD" sins are wiped out. We are as pure virgins. Here are the things Peter says we should add so that we are not blind, like the Laodiceans: faith, virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, charity (agape love). II Peter 1:8,9 says, "For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren now unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off (Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was (in the past) purged from his OLD SINS." Afterward, when we sin, we must confess it to God to bring it under the blood of Christ. In Rev. 7:14, the Tribulation saints have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb." We wash our robes, stained by the flesh, in the blood of the Lamb by confessing our sins.

An awful lot is tied up in the word charity/love. God is love, and if we are filled with his Holy Spirit, we are filled with charity/love. Remember I Cor. 13:3: "though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity (love), it profiteth me nothing."

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Your book is wonderful dear sister, I'm reading Exit 2007, and I can't put it down. I wish I could sit down and talk to you face to face, we have lots in common. I'm glad you enjoyed my web page....

I want to share with you Marilyn something that I'm writing in my third book, I pray I can get it out before Messiah comes. I pray this will bless you dear sister.

"...I have many other reasons I believe Messiah whom is also called "Grace," is coming in 1998. This one is very profound! The number 5 is the number of Gods Grace in the Bible. Now, in Genesis chapter 1, the first 5 words in Hebrew have a Number Value (Gematria) of 1998. Wow is what I said when I did the Gematria on this one! The Jewish people do not use the 'et' Aleph Tav, as a word. But we know it is a word for Yeshua Messiah, the First and the Last. So were the Rabbi count only 4 words, we count 5 words. "In beginning Gods created the Heavens"

The word Elohim i.e. God is a plural word, meaning God's, as in Triunity. My Friend Yacov Rambsel, a Jewish Brother, and Believer in the Messiah gave me this one. He also believes this is a good year to look for His Coming..."

Marilyn, I have used some of your writings to send to my unsaved family in New York. I put some of it into a News Letter. I download your gifs book cover, and put them in also. I pray my family with go and by them. Ill let you know the outcome

My reply

Glad you are enjoying the book....

> the first 5 words in Hebrew have a Number Value (Gematria) of 1998.
> Wow

And Wow, Wow, Wow!!! Thanks for everything.

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I never really believed I was stupid...until now. So much to learn and do. So little time. I pray that God will open the eyes of my understanding and help me to redeem the time. Thank you for being so diligent and obedient. You are doing the heavy work for many. Thank you and may He bless you exceeding abundantly...above all you ask or think.

My reply

Thanks for sharing this with me. None of us will ever plumb the depths of information God planted in the Bible. That is what keeps us studying it. There is always something else to learn. No one person understands it all.

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1. I must admit I have not been more than three days reading your web-page, but from what I have read so far, I believe there is a need for an endowment fund to be launched for even lower cost production of your books than it is now and for their wider distribution- not every body has computers and those who have may be stuck on some other web pages for years before stumbling on yours and other excellent ones. The stuff on-line is just too unwieldy, I am surprised it has taken me so many years to 'light on' to your web-page.

2. Finally, if it is not yet touched upon, do you think it would be good to give advise to people who reading you web page might have the tendency to want to just go flat out on life; floating along or loafing about; giving out on daily living plans? The Thessalonians did as much and Paul had to advice them to go about living and caring for one another while yet awaiting the day of Christ? In other words, what should Christians do with their long term 'secular' plans. God bless you.

My reply

My books are in the bookstores, even English bookstores worldwide. A man in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia got one in a secular bookstore there.

Jesus said to occupy till he comes. That is exactly what we should do, make sure we are ready and lead normal lives until the Rapture takes place. (Since this, prices on my first two books have been reduced.)

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FWD from Meter Michas worth repeating:

> if Y'Shua said in Matthew 5 that not one jot or tittle of the Torah would
> pass away until all has been fulfilled, then why wouldn't tithing (done in a
> proper, right spirit, and out of a New/Renewed Covenant heart) still be
> valid (the same as any of the 10 Commandments, etc. still being valid ), at
> least for Messianic Jewish Believers?

*** From Peter again: For the simple reason that tithes were to be given to the Levitical priests as they had no inheritance in the lands. Once the temple was destroyed and the Levitical priesthood was abandoned there can be no such thing as giving tithes period. The concept of giving must be from the heart and not out of any system that belongs to the Tabernacle and Temple Levitical priesthood. Tithing is not a part of the Torah that pertains to salvation of which the above verses refer to.

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