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Posted 7-11-00

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an update just recieved from my mother who lives in J,Lem:
just a quick note--the Shas have called all Jews tonight at 6:00 to be at the wall and to cry out to God for their beloved country-- they did this during the desert war--it's very significant when they do this--shows just how serious things are!!--Barak's govt. is falling apart--God is in control--pray and send out the word for those who love Israel to pray!!

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Re: 40 year generation
Several days ago I went over Eric Casagrande's article where he says the length of a Biblical generation is 40 years and 120 days and I noticed he thinks the crucifixion was in 33 A.D. and not 30 A.D. Can you please re-read that article (following e-mail) and tell me if the dates would still work out if the crucifixion was in 30 A.D.? I first read that article back in January or February and I didn't notice this before. Sincerely

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> > http://members.home.net/ericcasagrande/page3.html
> > Generations of Equal Length, by Eric Casagrande
> > ...Interestingly, all four Gospels have this in common: Their first mention of Jesus entering Jerusalem under the anointing of His ministry, takes place at the Feast of Passover. In fact, the Gospel of John pegs it at six days prior to the start of Passover (John 12: 1). As such, from the time that Jesus first entered Jerusalem under the anointing to minister (at Passover, 30 A.D.), until the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., a total of 40 years passed (from Passover to Passover)....

> > From the anniversary date (six days prior to Passover -- that is to say, on the 8th day of the 1st month, since Passover starts at sunset on the 14th day), on which Jesus prophesied the destruction of the Temple, until the anniversary date of said destruction (on Tisha B'Av -- 9th day of the 5th month), exactly 120 days passed between them.

This much information is pretty good in spite of his thinking Jesus was crucified in 33 AD. He saw the significance of the 40 years plus another 120 days, and I had not recognized it before. I put it with what I already knew and counted the days myself.

I knew that the Crucifixion was in 30 AD, and that the Olivet Discourse was on Tuesday before the Crucifixion on Thursday, Nisan 13, "the preparation of the passover" (Jn. 19:14-16). Knowing that the number of days between Nisan 1 and Tishri 1 never change, I copied the 1998 Jewish Calendar (which had the Jewish dates falling on the same day of the week as in 30 AD) and started writing in the day count.

"Jesus six days before the passover, came to Bethany." The next day was Palm Sunday (Jn. 12:1,12,13), so he arrived in Bethany on Saturday, Nisan 8, arriving as the Sabbath started, near sundown on what we would call Friday evening. They fed him supper that had been prepared on Friday, the day of preparation of the Sabbath.

Starting with Nisan 9 as day number 1, the 120th day is Av 10, the day the temple proper burned, as did Solomon's temple. Jer. 52:12,13 says, "in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month...burned the house of the Lord." According to Josephus, the fire was started on the temple grounds on Av 9, but did not break into the temple proper until Av 10. From Nisan 8 in 30 AD to Av 10 in 70 AD is 40 years, plus the extra 120 days.

In our days, Israel took the temple area on Iyar 28 (June 7, 1967). Starting with Iyar 29 as day number 1, the 120th day is Tishri 1. From Iyar 28 in 1967 to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is 40 years, plus the extra 120 days.

I learned something I value, even though Eric thinks the Crucifixion was in 33 AD. Agape

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Re: Double Anchor
I read your page all the time and I am extreamly interested in everything I read. Please don't think I am critical about you when I mention this but I would like to know more about this double anchor you mention in your page. I have never heard anything about it until I read about it on your page. Can it be seen with the naked eye? If so why hasn't everyone seen it? If not don't you think God would put it in the sky so everyone could see it? He knows that there are millions of people without telescopes. I would also like to know just what you think is so important about the double anchor? Don't get me wrong I would like to believe all this is important but I have never read in the Bible anything about it. It just doesn't seem realistic to me. God Bless

My reply

I am so glad Ed got me on the Internet. If I was not, and sat around watching TV when I was not puttering around the house and yard like I imagine many 71-year old women do, I would never learn of many things, the fantastic signs we have had in the sky among them. I haven't heard of them being shown on the evening news or printed in our newspaper.

There are wonderful people that find things that they know I would be interested in and send them to me. It is easy for people using MS Explorer 5.0 to mail me a Web page. When on the web site, they can click Mail -> Send Page, type in my email address and click Send.

It was through these people that I found out about these signs. I saw what the astronomers call a ring-jet or crossbow on Astronomy Picture of the Day. I saw a double anchor instead of a crossbow. I knew a crossbow was not double. Then, someone told me that the double anchor was the symbol of hope in the Eastern Orthodox Church, the single anchor the symbol of hope in the Catholic Church. Until someone sent me the Web page from the Williams Cross Museum, I did not know anything about the Anchor Cross. From their web site, I saw the drawing of the Anchor Cross and learned that it was a symbol used by early Christians.

The Museum wrote: "The Anchor Cross is formed when the top part of an anchor is in the shape of a cross. The cross symbolizes the hope Christians have in Christ and the firm faith which keeps Christians steady in the storms of life. These ideas are based on Hebrews 6:19 which reads, "We have this hope, a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters the inner shrine behind the curtain." (NRSV).

"During the days when the early church was being persecuted, the Anchor Cross was used by Christians. While Christians saw hope and strength in the symbol, their enemies saw only an anchor."

No wonder the signs are in this shape. The person who sent me the above said, "Your website refers to the double anchors in the heavens. When I first saw this picture of the double anchor I thought of the anchor cross symbol inscribed at Gordon's Calvary in Jerusalem. I first learned of the anchor cross while on a tour in Jerusalem. Apparently one of the proofs of the authenticity of the tomb is the fact that an anchor cross is chiseled into the stone above the tomb entrance."

I don't think either Anchor Cross can be seen with the naked eye. The Sun is too bright, and I am in the Northern Hemisphere besides. The other Anchor Cross is in the Southern Sky. It is in Vela, the sails of the ship Argo, in the same place as the new star, Nova Velorum, was seen on Sivan 7 (May 22, 1999). The astronomers had to announce the new star too.

As for why God didn't put the Anchor Cross in the sky so everyone could see it, I don't know, unless that would be too obvious. The prophecies must come true. Isa. 28:13 shows why the Bible prophecies are not clear enough so unbelievers can figure them out. It says, "But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." Dan. 12:10 says, " none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand."

Not being visible to the naked eye doesn't change the fact that these signs are there. If they don't seem realistic to you, you don't have to accept them as signs. I do, though. Lu. 21:25,28 says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh." Agape

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RE: double rainbow 7/7
I visit your site weekly and feel blessed to have discovered you and your steadfast love for the truth through the word. Last friday not only did I see a double rainbow but the order of the spectrum of colors was reversed between the two. Very interesting!!!

I know that he is so very near but it is hard for me to let others know without being perceived a kook. The book of Revelations, O that's some mysterious book about some time way, way in the future, is usually the reply even with many fellow christians today! Can you suggest some other tact or strategy in witnessing about what is about to happen? Agape, in Christ

My reply

The colors in the two bands were also reversed in the double rainbow Ed and I drove into on Jan. 26, 1999. Why that happens, I don't know. We were in the end of the right inner color band. Red was on the outside. The second color band above that had red on the inside.

In talking to others, have you tried starting with the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34? Israel grew leaves in the Six-Day War of 1967 (Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank, Gaza Strip). One generation from then is the end of the Age. We can be sure that "this generation" means 40 years because Jesus used it in Mt. 23:36. In 30 AD, he told the Pharisees, "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did, 40 years later, in 70 AD. Also, the Israelites wandered 40 years in the wilderness while one generation died off.

1967 + 40 = 2007. We know from scriptures like Mal. 2:3 and Joel 2:1-3, that the Day of God's Wrath that begins the millennial Day of the Lord will be on the Feast of Trumpets. Tishri 1, 5768 is Sept. 13, 2007.

The Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993 and ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1. Sept. 13, 1993 plus 7 good years and 7 bad years (Tribulation), as when Joseph was in Egypt, is Sept. 13, 2007. Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is also Sept. 13, 2007. That to me smacks of the way God does things. Agape

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Re: Rev. Ripley
O.K., Marilyn, here we go about the Catholics again. You have said that few, if any, Baptist ministers believe in two raptures. Does that mean you have to believe as they or you cannot be a Baptist? It is the same with Rev. Ripley. I don't believe as he does, so should I renounce being a Catholic? Not hardly. Does the Catholic Church require that I believe as Ripley? No. I was a Baptist all my life until my fifties when I became a Catholic so I had experiences to draw upon when church choosing. I have never heard a priest say that Mary could save anyone. Every prayer in the church service is a prayer to God through Jesus. I attended Catholic classes before becoming a Catholic. Mary was never presented as a savior. These classes were to instruct about faith in God through Jesus leading to Christian service and life with Jesus/God after death.

You are right that official Catholic dogma is Mary was sinless. My priest knew I didn't buy that and he knew I didn't think the Pope was faultless. He said they feel the Pope is faultless when considering matters of the church. He can be faulty in other human matters. It doesn't matter to me what the official dogma about the Pope is and I did not have to believe it to be a Catholic. There is one criteria for being a Catholic. Believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, died for our sins, and was resurrected from the dead. With that belief comes confession of sin and living a Christian life. This belief is witnessed before the Church as is baptism. Sounds like the Baptist church, doesn't it? All other issues are a sideline and not critical to salvation.

I read about the Marion effort to elevate Mary and it was presented as a way to honor her rather than her being a way to salvation. Personally, I think it is a crock. Does that mean I can't be a Catholic? No.

When we get to heaven, let's have tea with Mary. She had to have great faith to accept the message Gabriel presented to her. She was to become divinely pregnant. What do you tell your friends and acquaintances? They probably thought the same thing most people do today when we try to tell them the end of the age is upon us. Something like, "Divine pregnancy? Yeah, right." What did Gabriel say? "Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." "Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God." "And Mary said, 'Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word.' And the angel departed from her." Then Mary visited Elisabeth, the about to be mother of John. Mary said to Elisabeth, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name." Is our faith that strong? Could we do as well as Mary in that situation? Then, could we watch while our son was crucified? We know Mary knew He was resurrected. What joy. What happened to Mary after that? We don't know.

I imagine Mary will tell us the Catholics overdid the "call me blessed" thing and those statues didn't really look like her. I believe there is a special place for her. I hope her tea schedule is not too full. Love

My reply

As for me, I don't believe exactly like any denomination. That is because I read the Bible for myself and didn't accept what they taught without checking it with the Bible. For me, only the Bible is rock-hard truth we can rely on. Each human being can make mistakes. Only Christ did not. However, I can worship with people that believe the right things about Christ, even if we disagree on some other points.

> > Believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God, died for our sins, and was resurrected from the dead. With that belief comes confession of sin and living a Christian life.

I'm glad you are a true Christian. That is what counts. Rev. 2:25 says, "But that which ye have already hold fast till I come." I have known some that were trusting the church to get them to Heaven instead of making a declaration of personal faith in Christ our Saviour. They are the ones that need to hear Rom. 10:9,10: "That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

They also need to know that I Tim. 2:5 says, "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus." Mary is not a mediator between God and man. Agape

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Re: Birth of Yeshua (Jesus) during Succoth
Its not one persons writings... its anybody and everybody that understands the hebrew culture and biblical feasts .. you can not twist scripture to fit the rapture and because it null and voids what YOU believe.. .. its right there if you choose to see it... John was born 6 months before yshua ( on Nisan 15 first day of Pesach) 6 months later and if you read you can do the simple arithmatic Yshua was born 6 MONTHS to the day (Tishire 15 or Sukkot) Yshua was born.. I only sent these articles to excite you and encourage you For he is truly our JOY Im sorry to disapoint you and believeme you do not have all the correct answers .. as far as the two weeks Im not sure why that writer of ONE of the articles I sent you mentioned that.. you might want to ask a Rabbi or a messianic Jew why the two weeks is implied here instead of one.. or better yet ask The lord..but that does not null and void Yshua being born on Sukkot.. nothing eles makes sense in less you twist it to fit the pre trib rapture there is much to be examined in light of what the scriptures say about this... he did come to dwell......... (sukkah) with Us and 8 days later on The great LAST day of sukkot the 8th day was circumsised... he would not make a bit of sense to a Jew to have been born on Tishrie one.. because it happens to fit a senerio of yours.. there have been many good GUESS'S where PARTS fit, it does not make over all sense because only one small part of a scripture verse fits your theroy... about the latter rain that could be interepted as a lot of things.. you simply stated youbelive its yshuas birth.. but do an indepth study of sukkot the biblical evidense is there how you can NOT see it?. unless you dont want to.. blessing

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> > Yshua being born on Sukkot.. nothing eles makes sense in less you twist it to fit the pre trib rapture

What does the Rapture have to do with when Jesus was born? I fail to see a connection.

> > do an indepth study of sukkot the biblical evidense is there how you can NOT see it?. unless you dont want to

I have read the entire Bible at least 15 times, in as many versions. I did as much research on the birth of Christ as possible in the Seminary Collection at the library at BIOLA, the Bible Inst. of Los Angeles. I even went back into the Rare books and old handwritten MSS. What research have you done?

Have you looked at a Jewish Calendar that lists when the former and latter rains and the different crops come? My Unger's Bible Dictionary has them listed. The former rain starts Tishri 1. The latter rain starts Nisan 1. How do you interpret the following verses?

De. 11:14: "I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain"
Hos. 6:3: "the LORD: HIS GOING FORTH is prepared as the morning; and HE SHALL COME UNTO US AS THE RAIN, AS THE LATTER AND FORMER RAIN UNTO THE EARTH."
Joel 2:23: "rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."
Prov. 16:15: "In the light of the king's countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain."
Job 37:5,6: " God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend. For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to THE GREAT RAIN OF HIS STRENGTH."
Eze. 29:17,21: "in the FIRST MONTH, in the FIRST DAY OF THE MONTH... IN THAT DAY will I cause the horn of the house of Israel to BUD FORTH, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." Agape

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Re: Birth of Yeshua (Jesus) during Succoth
Well look lets not split hairs. I sent you this information because its valid and biblical... and I thought you might find it interesting and ask any Israeli the rain season does not begin Tishrie 1. and as far as the research is concerned you have done great.. but the spiritual sight is what you must have.. not puffed up church dogma knowledge in which most of the church is steeped into .. the phrase 'former rain' is used in the spring, and the 'latter Rain' simply denotes the autumn. Joel is saying that in the Millennium, both of these rains will occur in the first month not the first day of the months Israel basically has two seasons.. Israel is agriculturally reliant on its water supply because it doesn’t rain in summer. To understand this now spiritually. The former rain the latter rain are two rains and they correspond to the 7 feast days given in Lev.23. In the first portion the former rain, 4 feasts of Israel were fulfilled in the spring season by Jesus' first coming. The last three feasts will be fulfilled by his 2nd coming as he literally comes to earth to bring his kingdom and rule the nations. Where do you get Tishrie 1???? have you been over there during these seasons?? have you observed rain during Tishrie 1? I havnt and it certainly didint begin when I was their last year Tishrie 1 either...can I please quote you ???

Therefore, *I THINK* that the rainy season starts Tishri 1 and ends the following Nisan 30. To me, this eliminates the three feasts in Tishri and the three feasts in Nisan. Of the seven feasts, ONLY Pentecost is left. It is certain that it is after "the rain is over and gone."

wrong M agee it simply begins in the first month... after sukkot ask the Jews why they pray for rain then???? and not Tishrie 1.... again the evdidense is there if your willing to look at it...

My reply

I do not do much research on church dogma. That is man's ideas. They can be wrong. I get what I believe from the Scriptures. They are the only rock-hard truth we have.

Eze. 45:18 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the first month, in the first day of the month, thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and cleanse the sanctuary." I think that when Christ returns on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, that the sanctuary will be cleansed. It will have been desecrated by the False Prophet in the middle of the Tribulation, thereby causing the sacrificing that started again as the Tribulation began to abruptly cease. I think Jesus will officially take office on Earth on the same day the other Israelite kings officially took office, Nisan 1, first day of the Regnal Year. It is the Regnal Year because Yeshua is the King of kings. It is the Sacred Year because he is Lord of lords.

> > .. the phrase 'former rain' is used in the spring, and the 'latter Rain' simply denotes the autumn.

It is the other way around. The Former Rain is in the fall, the Latter Rain in the spring. Both the Greek and Hebrew words used for these in Scripture indicate the seasons in which they fall. For instance, James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain." The word for the early rain is proimon, which means autumnal showering. Opsimon is used for the latter rain and means spring showering. Jer. 5:24 says, "Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in HIS SEASON: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest." The Hebrew yowreh, which means autumnal sprinkling is used for the former rain. Malqowsh is the word for the latter rain. It means gathered spring rain. Both rains are to come in "his season." Yeshua has two due seasons, i.e., two comings.

> > Joel is saying that in the Millennium, both of these rains will occur in the first month not the first day of the months

In Scripture, when a month is mentioned without a day number, we are to assume that it is the first day of the month because the same word is used for month and new moon, which is the first of the month.

I first found Tishri 1 as the former rain and Nisan 1 as the latter rain in Unger's Bible Dictionary. As for why the rain does not always start on time, Jer. 3:1-3 says, " thou hast played the harlot with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD. Lift up thine eyes unto the high places, and see where thou hast not been lien with. In the ways hast thou sat for them, as the Arabian in the wilderness; and thou hast polluted the land with thy whoredoms and with thy wickedness. Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whore's forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed."

De. 11:12-14 says, " A land which the LORD thy God careth for: the eyes of the LORD thy God are always upon it, from the beginning of the year even unto the end of the year. And it shall come to pass, IF ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul (as a nation, they are not doing this today), That I will give you the rain of your land in HIS DUE SEASON, the first rain and the latter rain."

If the rains have not yet begun by Tabernacles, they should get right with God and pray for rain. Right now, Israel is experiencing a lack of enough water. The Sea of Galilee is dangerously low again. Why? they gave away the right to the temple mount when God gave it back to them. They are trading land for a false peace. What they should do is turn to the Lord, accept Yeshua as their Messiah, and trust the Lord to restore the land to them and keep it for them. They are trusting in their own strength instead of the Lord's. They have strayed from the Lord, not the other way around, but they have to learn the hard way.

The other nations are at fault too. Joel 3:2 says, "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and PARTED MY LAND." They should not PART GOD'S LAND. The consequences will be terrible. Then, on the day of utter disaster, the remnant of Israel will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8).

Zech. 13:8,9 says, " And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God." Agape

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Re: another June 26th announcement
I just read this on AOL news: "Leaders of competing public and private efforts to sequence and map all the human genes will announce jointly on Monday that they have essentially completed the project, placing in proper order most of the 3.1 billion subunits of DNA that make up the genome. The development could have a staggering impact on science and medicine...." Monday, June 26th has a lot going on. As for me, my eyes are looking up, and my ears are waiting to hear "the voice of my beloved!" (Song of Solomon 2:8). Love,

My reply

I find it very interesting too that the UN charter was signed on June 26 and now the UR charter was signed on June 26. That suggests to me that the same group was behind both. Agape

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In Revelation 2:10 states satan can cast some of us into prison and we will have tribulation 10 days. This is regarding the church of Smyrna, which God found no fault with and was pleased with their works. How can satan do this if we fly away? Also who are these that claim to be jews but do lie and are the synagogue of satan?

Also if all the christians are taken in the two raptures then who will be taught in the millinium as described in Ezekiel Chapter 44?

Do you believe Cain was the son of satan?

My reply

I'm not sure about the 10 days in Rev. 2:10, but the only way I can see that they can be certain to terminate in 10 days is for the Rapture to take place then. Maybe Revelation 1-3 is a view of the churches 10 days before the Rapture takes place. The Rapture is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters of Revelation (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with, "Surely I come quickly."

Those called British Israelites claim to be Jews when in truth, they are not.

No, Cain was a man. Only 2 people in Scripture are called sons of perdition, Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet (Jn. 17:12; II Thess. 2:3). Satan enters into them both.

After the second Rapture, on the day of God's Wrath, the first day of the Millennial Day of the Lord, all the remnant of Israel will be saved. Isa. 66:8 says, "shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children." There are also 7 more months (Eze. 39:12) before the Second Advent for people to accept Christ. At the Judgment of the Nations, Christ will say to the sheep at his right hand, "Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (Mt. 25:34). Agape

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