Pro and Con 552

Posted 7-13-00

Note: We want to thank all those that have helped us out financially. It looks like I am getting a loan on the house. I won't get any proceeds, the interest is high, and the payment will be more, but it will finally be in my name. That is now possible because our bankruptcy is 2 years old this month. So is Ed's bypass surgery. His heart attack and surgery was just before I got the final paper the next mail run. We have been tried in many ways, but our faith is still strong. We keep reminding each other that the Lord has never let us down yet. Somehow, we get through each test one step at a time and say, "Thank you, Lord."

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Re: Anchor
Just for general interest, look closely at the state seal in the upper left corner. (Also appears on state flag) We were founded by Roger Williams!

On Catholicism: I personally know born-again, saved Catholics. Based on my limited observations and travels, there is a vast difference between American Catholicism and "foreign" Catholicism. In Quebec, for instance, you can drive through tiny town after tiny town, each utterly dominated by very large cathedrals. Within you will find all the trappings of Catholicism - particularly statuary. Hundreds, if not thousands, of congregation PURCHASED candles will be burning to (as I understand it) buy souls out of purgatory. Luther certainly had this one right. At the time of Lincoln the priests would collect fees for prayers and then send them with a payment to France to be prayed (the French priests prayed cheaper). The stories missionaries have of the linkage between the Catholic church and the governments of third world countries, of the weird mingling of paganism and Catholic doctrine, are enough to make a Protestant's hair stand on end.

On the other hand, American second and third generation Catholic churches (here in New England we have churches started by the original immigrants followed by what I call second and third generation churches). Anyway, in these newer churches, you would be hard pressed to differentiate between "high" Protestantism and Catholicism. Mary does not seem to occupy a particularly high position. The services are Christ-centered. The sacraments, of course, are regarded differently.

Anyway, in my ubiquitous employment history, I once spent considerable time working funerals, and it was my observation that many Protestant services were more "Catholic" than the Catholic services. The Lutheran church I was baptized in had MUCH more statuary than most Catholic churches I have seen. (I'm an independent Baptist now)

American Catholics are like the rest of us -- delivered by God's grace to a nation of Constitutionally protected freedom and liberty, and they don't seem to show any inclination to return to a church dominated, church ruled society. Maranatha

My reply

Re: tiny towns dominated by cathedrals
From our trip to Mexico, I know exactly what you are talking about.

Re: Anchor of "HOPE"
Thanks. I couldn't see that seal well enough to read "HOPE," but found a picture of the flag on that site:
It also said, "The flag of the State (Rhode Island) shall be white, five feet and six inches by four feet and ten inches deep on the pike, bearing on each side in the center a golden anchor twenty-two inches high, and underneath it a blue ribbon twenty-four inches long and five inches wide or in these proportions with the motto"HOPE" in golden letters thereon, the whole surrounded by thirteen stars in a circle."

Re: Eye-opening pictures of Satanic symbols used at St. Peter's Basilica and the relationship of the Solar Wheel to the United Religions' logo

1. Go to this Cutting Edge article to see how the pagan Eight Fold Path to Enlightenment (i.e., Solar Wheel) is perfectly depicted in front of St. Peter's Basilica in Rome. The obelisk that was used in Egypt to worship Ra, the sun god, is purposefully placed in the center of the Solar Wheel.

2. Go to the following URL. Scroll almost to the end to see the relationship between the United Religion's logo and the Solar Wheel plus another depiction of the Solar Wheel inside St. Peter's Basilica.

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Re: Vatican Presence at UN
Another piece falls into place...

My reply

Thanks. Here is an excerpt:
7-12-00, Vatican Information Service
"VATICAN CITY: Following is the declaration released today by Fr. Ciro Benedettini, vice director of the Holy See Press Office, on the Resolution by the U.S. Congress favoring the Holy See presence at the U.N.:

"The Holy See has learned with satisfaction that the Congress of the United States of America on July 11 adopted a Resolution in favor of the presence of the Holy See at the United Nations. The text, voted by roll call, was adopted almost unanimously (416 in favor, one against).

"This Resolution takes on particular significance in that the American Congress not only expresses support for the presence and activity of the Holy See at the United Nations, but recognizes it as a sovereign entity, capable of acting in the international field and, in addition, pays tribute to its contribution in favor of peace and the promotion of human rights."

Note: Webster defines Holy SEE as the position, authority, or court of the Pope. That suggests another reason for the Beast of Rev. 13:1; 19:20 to come up out of the SEA (nations, Rev. 17:15).

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Can you please tell me the date that the Astronomy Picture of the Day appeared on the internet that you referenced in your Pro & Con 551 posted 7/11/00....Thanks for your help and your blessed work.

My reply

Click on Archive at the bottom of the page, then look for June 09-00 Vela Pulsar: Neutron Star-Ring-Jet. Click that... Agape

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Help me out here. I've been under the impression that the Jewish years have been counted inclusively, which means the year 6000 was the first year of the "seventh" day.

After checking out the, it appears that the counting is NOT inclusive. This would make the upcoming Jewish New Year, the beginning of the "seventh" day.

If this is true, then the Rapture could not possibility take place until the seventh day has actually begun. Do you see where I'm going with this?

What do you think? My best to You and Ed. Mucho Agape

My reply

Working with Bible chronology is not an easy task, and I could be wrong, but here is the way I see it.

I think I have finally figured out when to use Jewish inclusive reckoning and when not to. It took long enough to get it through my head. If we are considering continuous time, hours, days, weeks, months, years, I don't think they are counted using inclusive reckoning. Someone wrote me that if that were so, a week would have one less day each week that went by. Instead, we have Sun., Mon., Tue., Wed., Thurs., Friday and Sat., one week. The next week, we have Sun., Mon., Tue., Wed., Thurs., Friday and Sat., two weeks, etc.

What is counted inclusively seems to be a block of time, like the Six-Day War, separated from continuous time counting. The war started June 5 and ended June 10, covering six days, the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th.

On our calendar, the 21st century starts Jan. 1, 2001. They did so much celebrating last January, I wonder what they will do when the true turn of the century really gets here.

As for the Bible's 7th millennium since Adam was cast out of the Garden, the best I can figure, it started Tishri 1, 5759 (Sept. 21, 1998).

I also think some extra time was inserted, our space to repent plus the shortened Tribulation, before the millennial Day of the Lord actually begins. I expect the Day of the Lord to begin Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). Agape

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From: Mark Copfer: Re: Not Knowing The Day Or Hour

***Hi from Marilyn: I will intersperse my comments in your email.

Sorry for the long email, but thought you all would find this of great interest, but you will need to visit the site to view the charts that were included in this study at

Festive Cycles and Arrangement of the Calendar
"The New Moon
"And this brings up yet another difficulty. The Jews calculated the month according to the phases of the moon, each month consisting of either twenty-nine or thirty days, and beginning with the appearance of the new moon. But this opened a fresh field of uncertainty. It is quite true that every one might observe for himself the appearance of a new moon. But this would again partly depend on the state of the weather. Besides, it left an authoritative declaration of the commencement of a month unsupplied. And yet not only was the first of every month to be observed as 'New Moon's Day,' but the feasts took place on the 10th, 15th, or other day of the month, which could not be accurately determined without a certain knowledge of its beginning. To supply this want the Sanhedrim sat in the 'Hall of Polished Stones' to receive the testimony of credible witnesses that they had seen the new moon. To encourage as many as possible to come forward on so important a testimony, these witnesses were handsomely entertained at the public expense. If the new moon had appeared at the commencement of the 30th day--which would correspond to our evening of the 29th, as the Jews reckoned the day from evening to evening--the Sanhedrim declared the previous month to have been one of twenty-nine days, or 'imperfect.' Immediately thereon men were sent to a signal-station on the Mount of Olives, where beacon-fires were lit and torches waved, till a kindling flame on a hill in the distance indicated that the signal had been perceived. Thus the tidings, that this was the new moon, would be carried from hill to hill, far beyond the boundaries of Palestine, to those of the dispersion, 'beyond the river.' Again, if credible witnesses had not appeared to testify to the appearance of the new moon on the evening of the 29th, the next evening, or that of the 30th, according to our reckoning, was taken as the commencement of the new month, in which case the previous month was declared to have been one of thirty days, or 'full.' It was ruled that a year should neither have less than four nor more than eight such full months of thirty days"

The Jews did not know whether the Feast of Tishri would start on the 30th of Elul or actually Tishri 1. It would begin on one of these two days. They also did not know at what hour the Feast of Trumpets would begin on whichever day it started. The words of Jesus thus fit well into the determining of the New Moon for the start Of Tishri 1, i.e., the Feast of Trumpets. This was extremely important because determining the right date would mean that the Ten Days of Awe and the Day of Atonement would also be celebrated on the proper day, and these were the High Holidays of Judaism: The Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1), Day of Atonement (Tishri 10) and the Feast of Tabernacles (Tishri 15-22). Thus, Jesus may very well have been speaking of this situation when He said, Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of THAT DAY AND HOUR knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Notice there is THAT day and (THAT) hour which the Lord Jesus mentioned. I speak here of the hour Jesus spoke of as falling within that day (Tishri 1). Zechariah spoke of what appears to be the same day Jesus spoke and that the Feast of Trumpets alludes to, and it is definitely a posttribulational setting, including the Battle of Armageddon when He destroys them with the brightness of His coming:

***I agree that the millennial Day of the Lord starts on Tishri 1, and that day is often referred to in the OT as "that day." I think it will be the most event-filled day--ever. No other day can even come close. Here are the things I think take place that day: the Coronation of Christ, when he is given his kingdom, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Rapture of the Tribulation Saints, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb. On Earth, it is the Day of God's Wrath.

***Rev. 11:15-18 describes this day. It says, " And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall REIGN for ever and ever. And the four and twenty elders (representatives of the saints caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 4:4; 5:9), which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and ART TO COME (this is not the day of the Second Advent); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38), and THY WRATH IS COME (Eze. 38:18-20), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great (all believers are in Heaven for this); and shouldest destroy them (unbelievers left on Earth) which destroy the earth" (with the asteroid impacts, Rev. 8:8,10).

***All believers are gathered before Christ at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Mk. 13:27 tells us of their being gathered to the general assembly. It says, "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (those ALREADY caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

***In Rev. 12, the Tribulation saints are given 1260 days. This is the last half of the 2520-day 70th week of Daniel. However, for the sake of these saints, these days are to be shortened. Mt. 24:21,22 says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." The first half of the Tribulation is 1260 days, Rev. 11:3. The Jews can sacrifice during those days. They cannot sacrifice after those days because the False Prophet desecrates the temple when he comes to full power Mid-Trib.

***Dan. 8:13,14 tells us how long the shortened Tribulation lasts. It says, " I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (lit., evenings and mornings, as in Gen. 1:5); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Verse 26 says, "And the vision of the evening and the morning which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

***From the Feast of Weeks that I think starts the 70th week of Daniel in 2001 to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is 2300 days (counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning because it is a block of time set apart).

***Where I disagree with you is that "that day" (Tishri 1, Day of God's Wrath) is also the day of the battle of Armageddon and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:11-13 shows that there are 7 Jewish months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent, when Christ comes in glory. Eze. 39:11-13 says, " it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. And SEVEN MONTHS shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown THE DAY THAT I SHALL BE GLORIFIED, saith the Lord GOD." I think the Day of God's Wrath will be Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) and that Christ's return in glory is 7 Jewish months later, on Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008), in that Jewish Leap Year. I think his return will be as the latter rain (Hos. 6:3) on the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year (Eze. 29:17,21), when all the other Israelite kings officially took office.

***Armageddon cannot take place until after Christ is on Earth. In Rev. 19, we see Christ coming on a white horse in v. 11. The armies which were IN HEAVEN (i.e., all the saints were ALREADY in Heaven, none were caught up at that time) followed him upon white horses" in v. 14. Armageddon is described in verses 17-21. Verses 19 and 20 say, " I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him (Christ) that sat on the horse, and against his army (all the saints). And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." As Rev. 20 begins, Satan is chained for 1000 years. Armageddon can't take place until Christ is on Earth with his army. It ends when Satan is chained.

Zechariah 14:1 Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

***Just as Christ's two advents were seen like mountain tops, one behind the other, with no visible space between, we have a space here. I think verses 1-3 take place on the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). Then there are the seven months of Eze. 39:12 before v. 4 begins. Here we are reading of the Second Advent. It is not on the first day of the Millennium, but in the Millennium.

4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and THE LORD MY GOD SHALL COME, AND ALL THE SAINTS WITH THEE.

***All the saints come from Heaven. None are caught up at this time.

6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 BUT IT SHALL BE ONE DAY WHICH SHALL BE KNOWN TO THE LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

***This day is not Tishri 1, the day of "thick darkness" (Joel 2:1-3). I think it is the following Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008).

Notice that here Zechariah speaks of a day known only to the Lord and it is Armageddon for sure.

***Not necessarily. I think Armageddon will start after dominion is taken from Satan on the 2520th day of the 70th week of Daniel at the Judgment of the Nations. Then Armageddon, Satan's last ditch stand, will break out. He will fight, but "the hope of him is in vain" (Job 41:9).

***Dan. 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy."

Notice, too, that "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee." This could very well be the rapture of the church when Christ comes for the saints and then continues His descent on the Feast of Trumpets with the saints.

***I don't see how, when all the saints are coming with Christ from Heaven (Rev. 19:14). Also, this is his coming in glory, not on Tishri 1, the day of "thick darkness" (Joel 2:1-3).

What follows this time of the Lord's dealing with the nations and bringing Israel in His kingdom reign on earth is the Feast of Tabernacles. Thus we have the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement (Zech 12) and Tabernacles in their proper order. The day known only to the Lord and these three feasts appears to fit well as a posttribulational event:

***All Israel is saved in a day (Isa. 66:8). I think it is Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), when the Lord comes to their rescue when they are attacked by Gog's army. They will realize that Yahshua/Jesus is their Messiah. They will afflict their souls, confess their sins, and be accepted by the Lord on the following Day of Atonement. I expect them to have the scriptures read to them, as in Ezra's day, on the following Feast of Tabernacles.

8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one. 10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses. 11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited. 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. 13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that a great tumult from the LORD shall be among them; and they shall lay hold every one on the hand of his neighbour, and his hand shall rise up against the hand of his neighbour. 14 And Judah also shall fight at Jerusalem; and the wealth of all the heathen round about shall be gathered together, gold, and silver, and apparel, in great abundance. 15 And so shall be the plague of the horse, of the mule, of the camel, and of the ass, and of all the beasts that shall be in these tents, as this plague. 16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES.

***This is "from year to year" all during the rest of the Millennium.

17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up TO KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. 20 In that day shall there be upon the bells of the horses, HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD; and the pots in the LORD'S house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yea, every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein: and in that day there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

The Feast of Trumpets is also the day that God is acknowledged as King in the Jewish tradition, a day of remembering Him, and thus we have the scriptural statement in Revelation 11 and 19: Revelation 11:17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

***I think this day is Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

***I think this day is Nisan 1, 5768 (Apr. 6, 2008).

It is obvious that He is on earth and Lord of lords and King of kings in Zechariah. One last verse that would possibly be appropriate for the Feast of Trumpets is Revelation 3:10, where Jesus keeps the church and Jews safe in this hour of trial and temptation: 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the HOUR OF TEMPTATION, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

***This verse shows that those of the Bride group caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture are to be kept from the Tribulation, the trial that will come upon all the world. Lu. 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL THESE THINGS that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

In Christ, Mark

***Lu. 21:25,28-31 says, "there shall be SIGNS in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (WE ARE SEEING THEM)...And when these things BEGIN to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for YOUR REDEMPTION (the Pre-Trib Rapture) DRAWETH NIGH. And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that SUMMER is now nigh at hand. So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, KNOW YE THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS NIGH AT HAND."

***The Lord is near. See that you are ready, all sins confessed and brought under the blood of Christ.

***Maranatha and agape, Marilyn

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Re: "the sun is stranger than you think" transformation_solar.html
in the article "Sunspots and Solar Flares from Various Viewpoints, the quote appears: "the sun is stranger than you think, displaying mysterious manifestations of the familiar laws of physics and posing new problems with every major advance in exploratory measurement." The article speaks of the Bible codes, and also includes Edgar Cayce's pronouncements, which must be handled accordingly. Nevertheless, our Lord Jesus Christ made the sun "to rule the day..."

(Genesis 1:16). As you pointed out, solar maximums have occurred 1967, 1978, 1989, 2000, which add up to the 33 years of our Lord's life on earth, to His Resurrection. The sun will figure prominently in the tribulation.

What is impressing on my mind is the vanity of man, thinking that he is unlocking the heretofore secrets of the Universe, using his science as a basis of seeking truth. It creates a picture in my mind of vile creatures, thrusting their hands into an exquisite setting of finely arranged mechanisms, and thinking themselves wise and wonderful, giving no thought to the one who designed and created everything that they are meddling with.

With every passing day, I long more and more keenly for that great revelation from Heaven, when Jesus Christ Himself will appear, and call us up to be with Him. Thank you, Marilyn, for all your encouragement and steadfastness. You are a rock, chiseled by the Word of Truth. Bless you. Love

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Thanks for reminding me that the solar maximums fell in both 1967 and 2000, 33 years later. That is interesting.

I just received this news about the moon:
NOTEWORTHY: Total Lunar Eclipse, July 16th-- Hawaii, the Pacific Ocean, the Far East, and Australia are the best places to be for this grand lunar eclipse, which is especially noteworthy because the Moon passes almost dead center through the Earth's shadow. As a result totality lasts an unusually long 1 hour 47 minutes, centered on 13:56 UT (3:56 a.m. in Hawaii). This is the longest total lunar eclipse since August 13, 1859, according to the Belgian astronomer Jean Meeus, and the longest Earthlings will see again until sometime after the year 3000!

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