Zech. 12:3: And in that day (first day of the millennial Day of the Lord) will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."
PS: Re: GPS and the beast on the patch: The BEAST of Rev. 13:11-18, the False Prophet, indwelt by the dragon, will probably use the GPS and the Digital Angel implant to keep track of everyone's location. For the latest on 'Digital Angel' SATELLITE-TRACKED Implant, go to: http://www.adsx.com/ADSX/CDA/News/news_index/0,1136,415,00.html
Here is the first bit of it:
PALM BEACH, FLORIDA Jul 07, 2000...Applied Digital Solutions, Inc. ...today announced that its wholly owned subsidiary, Digital Angel.net Inc., has signed a research agreement with Princeton University and the New Jersey Institute of Technology. The expanded research team will assist in the development of Digital Angel, a miniature digital transceiver that could be used for a variety of purposes, such as monitoring the medical conditions of at-risk patients, commodity supply chain management, food safety, preventing the unauthorized use of firearms, providing a tamper-proof means of identification for enhanced e-commerce security, locating lost or missing individuals or pets, and tracking the location of valuable property. It is anticipated that the tiny device - which is intended to be bonded closely to the body or implanted just under the skin - will be able to send and receive data and that it will be tracked by GPS (Global Positioning System) technology.
"We firmly believe that Christ is the world's only saviour," the pontiff declared during a daily prayer service before several thousand people gathered in Saint Peter's Square.
He added: "In light of this truth, the Church does not hold in contempt what man may accomplish through diverse religious expressions to approach God and receive his purification."
John Paul II said he hoped for a "profitable interreligious dialogue."
The pope, who will conclude on Sunday the 47th international eucharistic congress, announced the next would be held in Guadalajara, Mexico in 2004.
The Pre-incarnate Christ was the YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, of the OT. Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Rev. 1:8, the incarnate Christ said, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Rev. 22:13,16, he said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the end, the first AND the last....I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root (YHVH, Yahweh) AND the offspring of David" (Yahshua/Y'shua/Yeshua/Iesous/Jesus). Yahshua means Yahweh is Saviour.
Mt. 1:21 says, "thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins." Verse 23 says, "they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." This is further explained in II Cor. 5:19: "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." No wonder Jesus said, "I and my Father are one" (Jn. 10:30). No wonder John said, "the Word was God...And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (Jn. 1:1,14).
Since the Lord of the OT is the same as the Lord of the NT, it makes sense that those that belong to him are "one body," i.e., the Body of Christ. Eph. 4:4,5 says, " There is ONE BODY, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism."
Some OT saints will be in Heaven. Others will be put back on Earth during the millennial Day of the Lord (Eze. 37:7:11,12; Dan. 12:13). Still, if they belong to the Lord, they may all be part of the Body of Christ. Heb. 11:15,16.39.40 says, "truly, if they (Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sarah) had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city (New Jerusalem)....And these all (including Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Joshua, Rahab, Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthae, David, Samuel and the other prophets, etc), having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, THAT THEY WITHOUT US SHOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT." It looks to me like some OT saints will be part of the Pre-Trib Rapture Bride of Christ group. Others will be part of the Pre-Wrath Rapture group, the rest of the Body of Christ.
In Rev. 4:4, we see the 24 crowned elders sitting on thrones in Heaven. I think 12 are the OT patriarchs of the 12 tribes of Israel and 12 are the NT apostles of Israel. They seem on equal footing. Nu. 10:2-4 says, " Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps (i.e., for the first and last trumps, the 2 Raptures). And when they shall blow with them (both, i.e., the Pre-Wrath Rapture at the 'last trump,' I Cor. 15:51,52), ALL THE ASSEMBLY shall assemble themselves to thee at the door of the tabernacle (figure of Heaven, Heb. 9:24) of the congregation. And if they blow but with ONE TRUMPET (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture, I Thess. 4:13-17), then the PRINCES, which are heads of the thousands of Israel (the 24 elders, 12 from the OT days, 12 from the NT days), shall gather themselves unto thee." Agape
As to the 2 raptures I have read and prayed (not nearly enough of either but there is never enough time this side of glory) and have come up with a couple of conclusions.
1. There is no where in the Bible that scripture would be violated if there were 2 raptures that I can find.
2. There is no place in the Bible that requires that there be two rapture events. With the following consideration
a. If there is a pretrib rapture (which I believe there will be) then the conditions of Matt. 24:30,31 and Revelations 6 will probably not have been fulfilled and will strongly suggest that the second rapture will fulfill this.
b. If there is a pretrib rapture then those saints that accept Christ after the first rapture should not come under the wrath of God (which is different from normal persecution) and therefore be removed prior to the outpouring of God's wrath just prior to the second coming.
3. If we are not taken up prior to the rapture, then I would see these things all fulfilled in the 1 pre-wrath rapture.
4. Any way you slice it. I am looking up because my redemption is REALLY drawing close.
> > no place in the Bible that requires that there be two rapture events.
If there were not 2 Raptures, how would you explain there being a "last trump" (I Cor. 15:51,52) without a first trump (I Thess. 4:13-17)? How would you explain the group "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" (Rev. 5:9) that is seen in Heaven before the 1st seal is broken. The "great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9) stand in Heaven before the throne just before the 7th seal is opened. They "came out of great tribulation" (Rev. 7:14). To me, 2 Raptures is required, one for the wise Philadelphian virgins and one for the foolish Laodicean virgins. As you recognize, no believer will suffer God's Wrath. Therefore, the Tribulation saints need to be caught up too. Agape
Also, adding 7 good years and 7 bad years to Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed brings us to Sept. 13, 2007, which is Tishri 1, 5768. Those Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 7 good years and 7 bad years to Tishri 1, 5754 = Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. That seems like something God would arrange. Agape
Note: I found an article on the Pre-Trib Rapture by Cornerstone Church: http://www.odsgc.net/~cornerst/index.html
Here are their 1st 2 points:
"Proof #1: Revelation 19:11-21 doesn't mention a resurrection. The rapture is a resurrection of those "in Christ" (1 Thess. 4:13-18). Isn't it a little bit odd that in Rev. 19:11-21, which is the clearest picture of the second coming of Christ, there is no mention of a resurrection? The rapture will be the biggest event since the resurrection of Jesus where hundreds of millions of Christians will be resurrected and translated, yet there isn't any mention here. Don't you think it deserves at least one verse? The rapture isn't mentioned because it doesn't happen at the second coming.
"Proof #2: Zechariah 14:1-15 doesn't mention a resurrection. This is an Old Testament picture of Jesus returning to earth at the second coming. Again, no mention of a resurrection."
This morning, very early, I got up to go to the bathroom...quickly so as to get back to bed and sleep before being fully awake. Not thinking about anything but snuggling back into the covers, I pulled them all around me and closed my eyes. In the blackness of my closed eyelids, I saw a faint white word, as though "typed" on the inside of my left eyelid. That word was "imminent", very faint, all lower case, and then faded to black.
Our God is an awesome God. I don't know if you have the capability to round up my other e-mails to you (over the last 3 years there have been about four), but they include a 3-day vision I had in Colorado, where I both heard and saw heavenly things...some sort of preview I guess, probably to bolster my faith, but initially I was scared to death because I thought the rapture had happened and I had missed it.
I've also written you about double rainbows. The ones I've seen have been on strategic dates...the first when I was 49 years old, on the day I buried my 52-year old husband of 32 years. I also saw this spectacle when we buried my dad about 18 months ago, and I saw one on the day of the funeral of a close friend's young son who died tragically due to a surgical error during a minor operation. I also saw a rectangle of color, upright the shape of a door, in a grey cloud just over a year ago, just before my 20-year old son left for the Air Force. He was with me, and the spectacle of this "door" opened the door for me to tell him about the visions I had in Colorado 3 years earlier. Any other time, I don't thing he would have been receptive to what I was saying, but I believe the right time and occasion was given to me by the Holy Spirit.
Another time, just a few months ago, I was awakened by a storm in the middle of the night. The overhead light came on, the overhead fan went off, and the tv went off. I got up to turn the light off, fan on, and tv back on (I usually sleep with it on), but the tv would not come back on, although the little red light at bottom of set indicated it was on. Just as I was almost asleep, a sound came from the tv. It said "stay awake". I looked up to a black screen, laid back down and then heard "the end is near". I looked back at the screen and it was starting to come back on, and Creflo Dollar was on...and I believe what I heard was some sort of a commercial promo for a tape or something...but the fact that I was awakened in such a fashion, and went through the routine I did, and then the following events, I have to believe my attention was being drawn to a message sure and true. Agape.
I don't see how it can be long. Everything seems right in place for the beginning of the Tribulation on the next Feast of Weeks. We have already seen more than I thought we would of these events leading up to the world-wide trial that is coming (Rev. 3:10). Agape
In Revelation, there is a parenthetic section inserted between the 6th and 7th seals, the 6th and 7th trumpets and the 6th and 7th vials. This is an echo of the Tribulation being inserted between the 6th and 7th 1000-year days. To place the parenthetic material in the lineup of end-time events, we have to look for match marks. Something will show us where it belongs.
The fact that the two witnesses prophesy 1260 days is one clue that it is the first half of the Tribulation. The second half is SHORTENED for the elect's sake or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:22). We know that the shortening is in the second half because Mt. 24:15's "abomination of desolation" kicks off the 2nd half of the Tribulation. This is when the believing Jews must flee Jerusalem. Mt. 24:21,22 says, " For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days (1260, Rev. 12:6,14) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days (the 2nd 1260 days of the 70th week of Daniel) SHALL BE SHORTENED." Nothing suggests that the 1st 1260 days are shortened.
Another clue is Rev. 11:6: "These have power to shut heaven, that it RAIN NOT." In Rev. 6:5,6, we see FAMINE caused by NO RAIN in the first half of the Tribulation.
> > You then sequence the sounding of the seven trumpets, themselves, after the "Day of God's wrath". This implies that the "Day of God's wrath" consists of the seven trumpet judgments "that are cast on Earth" but you make no mention of the opening of the seals nor of the vial judgments.
The 7 trumpet judgments sound ON the Day of God's Wrath. The Day of God's Wrath comes at 6 PM as the Jewish 12 hours of night begin, after the sixth seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. In Rev. 6:16,17 all the men, "said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For the great day of his wrath is come (6 PM); and who shall (still future) be able to stand?" The asteroid impacts Earth at noon on the Day of God's Wrath (Zeph. 2:4,5; Eze. 25:16; Job 20:23; Amos 8:9). Between those times, the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place.
The seals are opened about one per year until the shortening of the days. Then the 6th seal is broken on the last day of this age and the 7th is broken the next day as the millennial Day of the Lord begins. After the 7th seal is broken, the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth.
The trumpets describe the immediate effects of God's Wrath. The vials describe the ultimate effects over a longer period of time. For instance, in Rev. 8:9, when the 2nd trumpet sounds, "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died." In Rev. 16:3, when the 2nd vial was poured out "every living soul died in the sea." The trumpets start the wrath. The vials fill up the Wrath of God. Agape
Also, in response to your comment about the two Temples being destroyed by fire, is it not the case that the Holy Presence of God departed the Temple at some point before the actual destruction of the physical buildings? I think I remember reading in Ezekiel that God showed His Presence departing before its destruction. In my Revised Standard Version, the heading for Ezekiel 9-10 is "The glory of the Lord leaves the Temple." Then in Ezekiel 43, the heading is "The glory of the Lord enters the Temple." Similarly, at the crucifixion, when the curtain of the Temple is torn in two, does this not seem to symbolize the Presence of the Lord leaving the Temple? I am just wondering what you make of these passages in relation to Tish B'Av.
Also, as regards the "peace talks" at Camp David: if the talks fail, and violence ensues (extreme violence if the PLO unilaterally declares a state on Sept 13th), would this super-heated and volatile situation not seem like a scenario which could set the stage for some person to step in and bring forth a peace agreement? (maybe someone from the outside, like the Roman Pope?) This person would be celebrated as a great peacemaker and would be in a position to assume the kind of power which you have indicated that the beast might hold. As always, thank you for your continued searching of the Scriptures. May Christ Jesus our God have mercy on me, a sinner. I remain, Yours in XP
Mt. 17:1 said after 6 days. Seven comes after 6. Lu. 9:28 says, "about an eight days." Seven fits that also. We are now in what I think is the 7th of the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt.
Moses and Elijah talked with Christ. At the time of the Rapture, their 1260-day ministry on Earth is very close. That seems appropriate, too.
I don't know how one would determine the date of the Transfiguration, but Aug. 19 is sure interesting. From 6 PM to midnight, Aug. 19, 2000 overlaps Av 19. The wise virgins go with the Bridegroom at midnight--hmmm, food for thought.
Yes, the shekinah glory did depart in OT days. I think Josephus was speaking of 66 AD when he said, "Armies were seen to fight in the sky, and their armour looked of a bright light colour, and the temple shone with sudden flashes of fire out of the clouds. The doors of the temple were opened on a sudden, and a voice greater than human was heard, that the gods were retiring, and at the same time there was a great motion perceived, as if they were going out of it" (Dissertation III. Book V. Chap. I).
When the temple curtain was torn in two, I think it showed that the way into Heaven was now open. It represented Christ's sacrifice that made it possible.
> > I am just wondering what you make of these passages in relation to Tish B'Av.
I don't know, but the 10 days of Rev. 2:10 fit somewhere.
I expect the Tribulation Pope to be the Beast of Rev. 2-10, heading up both the UR and the OWG. Agape
But, personal feelings aside, I can't say with confidence that we are the last generation. The reasons for this are as follows.
There was a fulfillment of one of the prophecies uttered by Christ within the generation of Jews then alive, namely, the destruction of Jerusalem. This prophecy was in direct reference to the disciples question about when Jerusalem would be destroyed.
Jesus said, "this generation", not "that generation", which would have made more sense if he meant a future generation.
There are no conclusive biblical references that can be used to pinpoint when the final generation before Christ's return would begin. Without a definite starting point, the whole reference to a generation is meaningless.
There is no conclusive biblical reference as to how long the generation should be. Should it be 40 years or 70 years? Or some other number?
Jesus stated that only the Father knows about the day of the Lord's return.
(Matthew 24:36) "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
In light of all this, I feel that Jesus meant the generation of Jews alive at that time would not pass away before all the things said about the onslaught and destruction of Jerusalem would be fulfilled.
Israel fulfilled the fig tree parable when she grew leaves (Sinai, West Bank, Golan Heights and Gaza Strip) in the Six-Day War of 1967. I expect the generation born that year to see all these things come true. 1967 + 40 = 2007. Agape
Could the temple be built and functioning by next Pentecost, and that fulfill the Daniel prophecy? Just wondering. Any thought? In Christ
There are 2300 days, by inclusive reckoning, from Sivan 6 (the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost) in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. That fits Dan. 8:14. It includes the time the Jews can sacrifice and the time they can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple Mid-Trib. The final 1260 days of the 2520 days are the ones to be shortened (Mt. 24:22).
The 2300 days apply to the Tribulation elect, for whose sake the time is shortened. I think the Pre-Wrath Rapture takes place on the 2300th day just before the 7th seal is broken (Rev. 7:9,14).The 2520 days apply to everyone else. I think dominion will be taken from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations after the 2520 days end. That is when Armageddon breaks out. People mix up the war of Eze. 38 with Armageddon. I think they are 7.5 Jewish months apart. Christ has not yet returned when Gog attacks Israel. He has returned when Armageddon is fought. Agape
I was reminded of a belief I have had for some time that in the spirit realm every believer radiates light. This is because the Light of the World dwells within us. He lives inside of us -- literally! We are the temple of the Holy Spirit, actually the Holy of Holies, which is where God's presence and glory was and is. Sometimes God opens spiritual eyes and allows us to see this light, for His own purposes.
This was dramatically demonstrated in a story I heard a number of years ago from a missionary to Haiti. One night in Haiti a witch doctor was walking down a dark path. Far up ahead, he saw a small light. He saw that the light was coming toward him, and the closer the light got the bigger the it got. Fearful, he jumped in the bushes so he could watch the light pass, to see what it might be. When the light got close, he saw that it was just a man, a common villager -- except that this villager was a born-again Christian. The witch doctor knew who the man was, and that he was a believer, and he knew that this light was the light of God in him. God had allowed the witch doctor to see in the spirit the light that was in and radiating from the village Christian. He was so moved that he repented of his voodoo practices and committed his life to Christ.
Of course, Satan has a counterfeit and mimic for everything. New Agers have their auras. Discernment is needed, but not difficult. A key to discerning God's light is where His Spirit is, which is where Christ is exalted and His Word honored.
I will give your comments some consideration after reviewing the scripture. I am currently in the middle of a fast and hopefully that will give me some additional guidance along with prayer.
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