Pro and Con 56, Uploaded 1-28-98

Incoming Email, Re: Great Web Page!!!

I just want to say Hello and I think your Web Page is GREAT. I visit your page almost everyday to see if you have something new to read. I was in the book store about 4 years ago and came across your book "The End of the Age", I thought "this looks interesting", so I bought it. I couldn't wait to get home and start reading it, once I started reading the book I couldn't put it down. It was a great book just to read and also, it was like a text book from collage. It made me go to my Bible so many times, this book has changed my life, in how I study the Bible. It was like the Bible came alive for me, now I'm always looking for that "vein of silver" in the Scriptures. Then one day while surfing the net, I did a search on your name and found your Web Page, I couldn't believe it! It was like, Marilyn is real and out there talking and answering questions for the public. From your Web Page I found out about your next book Heaven Found, so I rushed out and bought that book, and I thought it was great, also. Now I'm almost finished with Revelations 2000. I must say, The Lord has really blessed you with knowledge and understanding, and I am sure glad you choose to share that understanding with the world. And I would also like to say I'm very proud of you the way you answer questions in a loving manner to people who are sometimes so rude to you. Even if your conclusion is incorrect, I just don't understand why people have to be so insensitive to you. Bottom line, just keep up the Great work you do and try not to get discouraged by some of the E-mails that you get. You are doing a fantastic job, much better than I could ever do.

Again, thank you for your great books and the time you spend teaching the public, it is very appreciated.

My reply

It is great to be appreciated. Thanks for the kudos.

Don't worry about me getting discouraged by some emails. That kind of thing was expected from the beginning. Some take Peter's advice and others do not. He said to add to your faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness and love.


I feel obligated to the Lord to publish the things he has helped me to understand in his Word, let the chips fall where they may. If I am right, the Rapture is soon (Sivan 6, 5758, our May 31, 1998) and the fall of literal Babylon on the Euphrates River is only about ten years away, on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the Millennium, Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). That is the day the great mountain burning with fire falls in the Mediterranean Sea and the great star (aster, asteroid) destroys Babylon.

I tell people that regardless of when the Rapture takes place, the important thing is that we be ready, filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit, and occupy patiently till he comes. The important thing is not when it happens, but that we be worthy to be chosen as the Bride of Christ. The just shall walk by faith. That is man's test. We have to believe in Christ first, then we can work for rewards. Some do the first and neglect the other. The best prize is to be chosen as part of the Bride, and it is something we can work for.

Knowing that there is a good possibility of the Rapture being in Israel's Jubilee year should wake up the lukewarm and cause them to repent and buy their white garments, just in case. It should be a powerful incentive to make sure we prepare ourselves in time. I wish every foolish virgin would get wise and every lukewarm Laodicean would become Philadelphians. If I can nudge any from one group to the other, my work will be worthwhile.

Incoming Email

I've read your book, "End of the Age", and you've done an excellant job of putting the whole picture together. I've been fascinated with Biblical Chronology for a long time. My Uncle, Charles Arnold, developed a chronology chart of pre-diluvian Patriarchs including the prominent post-diluvian Patriarchs up through Abram. His chart was copyrighted in the early 1940's. I have not looked at his chart in long time, but he did not include the 40 years of innocence for Adam. One question that have concerning Adam's life span of 930 years. Is the 40 years of innocence included in the 930 or in addition to his 930 years? In my opinion the aging process did not start until Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

My other question is what is your guessmate of when the lands of the earth were actually separated. The scriptures say in the day of Peleg. Peleg was born 101 years after the flood. Peleg died in 1996 AH which is 340 years after the flood. In my opinion God caused the separation of land mass into continents by tilting the earth on its axis which means the land mass had to shift to different locations in order for the earth to find a new center of balance. Perhaps, the earth had more of a circular orbit about the sun before the land separation compared to our elliptical orbit. Point I'm trying to make is that solar year may have been 360 days before the land separation. The moon has always been our guide of when a month starts and ends according to Jewish tradition. One other note on this subject, Noah was alive when the lands were separated because he died in 2006 AH and outlived Peleg.

I don't know if the rapture will occur in 1998. I think that we are definitely in the "hot zone" for Christ to return and rapture the church saints. If he comes on May 31st, I will be ready and if he doesn't I'll still be anxiously waiting for his return. I've always thought that the Jews to whom Jesus was speaking understood him to be referring to the watch for the new moon signifying the beginning of a new month in his "no man knoweth the day or hour". I've read where they would watch for moon over a two day period but not knowing which of the two days or what hour they would see the new moon and officially start Passover or the New year ...say Tishri 1 or Nissan 1.

My reply

Thanks for your kind comment, "you've done an excellant job of putting the whole picture together." I can't take all the credit, though. I had the Lord's help or I would not have gotten very far on my own.

> he did not include the 40 years
> of innocence for Adam. One question that have concerning Adam's life span of
> 930 years. Is the 40 years of innocence included in the 930 or in addition to
> his 930 years? In my opinion the aging process did not start until Adam and
> Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden.

I had the good fortune to have a draftsman, Bob Miko, among the college-age kids that came to my house to study the Bible with me. He was the first to come, and I think the Lord planned it to show me how long Adam was in Eden, sort of first things first to give me the solid foundation to build my chronology on. Bob took two of my charts, one of the Ages and one of the Dispensations home to put them together on a single chart drawn to scale. He came back the next day saying that he stayed up until midnight and that there was no way they would fit together unless the Dispensation of Innocence was outside the chart of the Ages. Charted this way, everything else fit perfectly.

I was so shocked that I did not believe him at first, but soon realized that he was right. As it turned out, Adam was in the Garden of Eden 40 years. That rang a bell in a hurry. Christ, the second Adam, was tempted 40 days. Forty means testing and probation. It made sense.



> In my opinion God caused the separation of land mass into continents by
> tilting the earth on its axis which means the land mass had to shift to different
> locations in order for the earth to find a new center of balance.

The continents split apart in the days of Peleg, "for in his days was the earth divided" (Gen. 10:25). Peleg was born in 1757 AH and died in 1996 AH when 239, and Noah died in 2006 AH, two years before Abram was born in 2008 AH. (Strange that Abraham, father of nations, was born in 2008 AH when I think that Christ, "The everlasting Father" (Isa. 9:6), King of nations, will return in our 2008 AD.)

I think the Moon was scooped out of our Pacific Basin by the impact of a piece of the broken planet Rahab. This basically caused the tension that resulted in the continentental shift. As you said, the earth had to find a new center of balance. The Earth could have been tilted on its axis at the time of the catastrophe, but it had probably been hit by asteroids before too. Surely, the degree of tilt was changed when the Moon was born out of the Earth; that was no small catastrophe. It caused Earth to become waste and desolate. It caused darkness upon the face of the whole water-covered planet. As the waters under the heavens were "gathered together unto ONE PLACE," the dry land appeared (Gen. 1:9).


> Point I'm trying to make is that solar year may have been 360 days before
> the land separation.

Maybe, maybe not. The continents split and moved apart gradually. They are still moving. USA and Paris are something like 5 inches farther apart each year. Yet the length of our year seems to be pretty stable. I have a feeling that Earth righted itself, regained its equilibrium and continued in its proscribed orbit, but I can't be sure. Because the Sun and Moon were to be used for years, and because the Bible is so consistant, I lean toward the 365+ day year for the whole time. However, a case could be made for the 360-day year in the Flood account in Gen. 7. But, think of this. Would the gradual separation of the continents have been enough to change the length of the year?

I keep wanting to find time to chart the days given in the Flood account to be sure, but I am so short on time these days, it has not gotten done.

> If he comes on May 31st, I will be ready and if he doesn't I'll
> still be anxiously waiting for his return.

My attitude also, except I will be PATIENTLY waiting.

You know what is funny? After all this discussion of no man knows the day and hour, what the Scripture of Mt. 24:35,36 (see Mark 13:31,32 also) really says is this: "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man." Have you noticed anyone pointing that out?

Of course, the foolish virgins are told, "Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh" (Mt. 25:13). But Daniel 12:9,10 says that at "the time of the end" "the wise shall understand."

Incoming Email

When do you think the graves of believers will be opened up?? May 31st or sometime later at Rapture #2?? Will the resurrection of the dead believers include the Old Testament saints??

I purchased your new book "Rev....2000" and also "Heaven Found...". Great material. Still reading...

If there is going to be a Last Day outpouring of the Holy Spirit "on all flesh", the time seems terribly short for a massive move of God, but God can do whatever He wants, even with those left behind. I pray that I will be ready, whenever the DAY occurs.

My reply

The Old Testament believers are in celestial bodies in Heaven right now. After the Resurrection, Jesus took those in Paradise to Heaven. Since that time, it is absent from the body and present with the Lord in Heaven. The believers will come back with Christ at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Then they will get their resurrection bodies ahead of the living overcomers that are to be caught up.

I Thess. 4:14f explains, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus (i.e., the dead in Christ) will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words."

The pouring out of the Holy Spirit upon all flesh is misunderstood by many in our days. Let's look at what the passage in Joel 2:27-29 really says: "ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel (i.e., Christ has already returned as the latter rain [Hosea 6:1-3; Joel 2:23] on Nisan 1, and has set his feet on the Mt. of Olives)...And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD (after the Second Advent), that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit."


I also pray that I will be ready, whenever the DAY occurs. Rev. 3:10 mentions patience. We must get ready, be filled with the Holy Spirit, and then wait patiently until it takes place. Also remember, Jesus said to occupy till he comes. Some will be out in the fields working. One will be taken and the other left. Some will be grinding grain. One will be taken and the other left. Jesus did not say to sell your house and go stand on a hill. He did say to watch and pray.

Incoming Email

I am in the process of reading your new book, "Revelations 2000". As I expected, great reading. Coming from the traditional camp of all the body of Christ being raptured all at once, I still struggle with a seperation of believers believing that God will decide who gets what, who goes where, and how many rewards are given, AFTER the rapture.

Although you present numerous scriptures indicating your position, in the end, it still boils down to just another opinion.

What is your understanding on where the dead in Christ are at this time? Assuming that you do not believe in soul sleep, are the Laodicean type of believers fellowshipping with the Lord as well as with the Philadelphia type of believers. If they are, once Rapture I occurs, would there not have to be an immediate seperation of the two groups in Heaven to paralell the two groups on earth?

Also, according to II Thessalonians, 2:7, if the restrainer is the Holy Spirit indwelt Church, how can that be fulfilled if the larger part of the Church is still on earth?

I whole-heartedly agree with you about being watchful, being ready, being cleansed, and being about our Fathers business, but to say that if a believer falls short of this standard, he now is punished with missing the Rapture, is more a case of an opinion than fact. Rest assured, there will be a loss for living an unholy life, perhaps eternaly, but I need to have Scripture make it clear as to the specifics before I can accept an opinion as Gospel.

My reply

I'm glad you are enjoying reading Revelations 2000. Some have said it is the easiest to read of my three books.

I still struggle with a seperation of believers believing that God will
> decide whogets what, who goes where, and how many rewards are given, AFTER the
> rapture. Although you present numerous scriptures indicating your position, in
> the end, it still boils down to just another opinion.

Mt. 5:29,30 says, "if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy MEMBERS should perish, and not that thy whole BODY should be cast into hell. And of thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy MEMBERS should perish, and not that thy whole BODY should be cast into hell."

Rev. 3:16 says, "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."

Lu. 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may BE ACCOUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

> What is your understanding on where the dead in Christ are at this time?

They are with Christ in Heaven, absent from the body, present with the Lord.

> Assuming that you do not believe in soul sleep, are the Laodicean type of believers
> fellowshipping with the Lord as well as with the Philadelphia type of believers.


> If they are, once Rapture I occurs, would there not have to be an immediate seperation
> of the two groups in Heaven to paralell the two groups on earth?

After the Rapture, there would not be two groups on earth. Since Esther was in a separate place, I assume that the Bride will be in a separate place. Joel 2:16 says, "let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet."

> Also, according to II Thessalonians, 2:7, if the restrainer is the Holy
> Spirit indwelt Church, how can that be fulfilled if the larger part of
> the Church is still on earth?

The Spirit of God can withdraw his restraining influence at any time he wishes.

> I whole-heartedly agree with you about being watchful, being ready,
> being cleansed, and being about our Fathers business, but to say that if
> a believer falls short of this standard, he now is punished with missing
> the Rapture, is more a case of an opinion than fact. Rest assured, there
> will be a loss for living an unholy life, perhaps eternaly, but I need
> to have Scripture make it clear as to the specifics before I can accept
> an opinion as Gospel.

Paul was working for the prize of being called in the Rapture. Phil 3:14 says, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus."

He could not lose his salvation, so what else could he lose? I Cor 9:24,27 says, "they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain...I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."

Incoming Email

You are still a blessing. I am working like mad because a lot of people need to know... I have few questions to ask....I dont have time to do background study as you did (Took you 36 years) I understand your point on Ezek. 29:17 and also your argument for Rap 1 on the day of Penticost.
My problem is this: We have TWO DATES !
If I worked out correct the date Nisan 1 will fall on our March 30 and Petecost we know on May 31, I can say the sooner Jesus come the better, but i need to put those two dates in perspective.
I figured a possibility to be:
The regnal year of a King was on Nisan 1 even if he took throne any day afterwards in that year up to the next Nisan 1 the next regnal year.That would pin down the return of Jesus to a year period. The argument on Penticost narrow it then down to Sivan 6 our May 31. Am I correct ? Please help.

My reply

I'm glad you asked. In your haste, it seems that you mixed up the date of the Pre-Trib Rapture (Sivan 6, Pentecost) with the date of the Second Advent of Christ (Nisan 1, beginning of the Regnal Year and Sacred Year). They are two separate events about ten years apart (5758-5768) (our 1998-2008)

At the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Lord comes in the air and we rise up to meet him (I Thess. 4:13-18). I think this will be Sivan 6, 5758 (our May 31, 1998). If this is Jerusalem time, it could be on May 30 for me here in California, USA.

At the Second Coming, which I think is Nisan 1, 5768 (our April 6, 2008), Jesus will touch down on the Mt. of Olives and the mountain will split (Zech. 14:4). This is seven Jewish months (Ezek. 39:12) after the Day of the Wrath of God (Tishri 1, 5768), which is the 2300th day (Dan. 8:14) of the shortened Tribulation.

These seven months between the Feast of Trumpets on Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 show us that the Second Advent will be in a Jewish leap year, and 5768 is a leap year.

Incoming Email

...I have read all of your web pages, and I just got 3 of your books, which I am studying now. God has used you to convict me of many things -- especially the need to be counted among the 5 wise virgins. I realize now that if the Lord returned today, I probably wouldn't be. I've been a believer for over 25 years, but I've neglected my first love. In recent years I have not hungered after his Word and his walk like I once did. I have let the world obscure my sight and allowed all of its concerns to become mine. I have repented of this before God, and I want to use the remaining time (whether it is weeks or years) to renew my walk with Jesus. I do want to be sure I'm ready for the return we expect this spring.

Marilyn, can you please give me as many specifics as you can on what you think the wise virgin looks like? I am so fearful of deceiving myself. I want to know that my place is secure, and I'm ready to be brutally honest with myself.

Thank you so much for sharing what God has given you. Many will depart with you in that first rapture because of your obedience!

My reply

> a believer for over 25 years, but I've neglected my first love.

Revelation is written as if the Pre-Trib Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10). Read Jesus' message to the church at Ephesus. "I have somewhat (not everything, somewhat) against thee, because thou hast left thy first love. Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto the quickly (at the Rapture), and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent" (Re. 2:4,5).

You are repenting, turning around. Thank the Lord, for otherwise, you might end up in the Laodicean group and having to wait until the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

can you please give me as many specifics as you can on what you
> think the wise virgin looks like? I am so fearful of deceiving myself.
> I want to know that my place is secure, and I'm ready to be brutally
> honest with myself.

Nothing like the sure words of Scripture. II Peter 1:1,4-10 says, "SIMON Peter...to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ...Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; And to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness charity (agape love, God's love). For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. But he that lacketh these things is blind (like the Laodiceans), and cannot see afar off (i.e., Heaven), and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins. Wherefore the rather, brethren (believers), give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance (the Rapture) shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

It is interesting to note that Peter is the one that we read of Jesus washing his feet. Do you know how to let Jesus wash your feet, so you will be clean, every whit? We need to use I John 1:9, confess our known sins so the Lord can cleanse us of all unrighteousness (unknown sins included). Then the well of living water in us bubbles up and we are filled and back in fellowship with our Holy God.

Thank you so much for sharing what God has given you. Many will depart
> with you in that first rapture because of your obedience!

You are so welcome. I hope you are right about that last part. That is what it is all about.

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