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Telescope observes the death of Comet LINEAR
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...on July 26th....The unusual elongated shape was the first evidence of the comet's complete break-up.

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Re: The 1,335 Days
You have been maintaining that the 1,335 days cannot be shortened because Daniel will stand in his lot at the end of them. I respectfully ask you to consider the following:

Daniel 12:12-13 says: "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days."

This does not say Daniel will stand in his lot at the end of the 1,335 days but at the end of 'the days'. We know there are days that will be shortened and I think the 1,335 days are 'the days' in question. Let us say, for the sake of argument, that I am right and that they are shortened to 1,320 days, for instance. Then Daniel will stand in his lot on the 1,320th day, not the 1,335th day.

I see not reason, therefore, that the 1,335 days cannot be shortened, can you? Daniel will still stand in his lot at the end of 'the days', the 1,320 days. God Bless you.

My reply

As far as I can see, there is only one set of days that is to be shortened, the 1260 days of Rev. 12:6,14 and Dan. 12:7, the Great Tribulation, when the False Prophet rules. He is to be deposed early for the elect's sake. Those are the "remnant of her seed (Israel), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (Rev. 12:17). That is why in Rev. 17:11, Satan, the tail of the great red dragon, "the eighth," will operate on his own the rest of the 1260 days. Then dominion will be taken from Satan at the Judgment of the Nations at the end of the 1260 days.

Mt. 24:15-24 says, " When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation (an idol), spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:6,14)...But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For THEN SHALL BE GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS (the days of the Great Tribulation) SHOULD BE SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets.

A thing is often established by two witnesses. Therefore Mk. 13:18-27 says, "pray ye that your flight be not in the winter. For in THOSE DAYS shall be AFFLICTION, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, neither shall be. And except that the Lord had SHORTENED THOSE DAYS, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath SHORTENED THE DAYS.... But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. But in THOSE DAYS, after that TRIBULATION, the SUN SHALL BE DARKENED, and the moon shall not give her light (after the 6th seal breaks, Rev. 6:12), And the stars of heaven shall fall (7th seal, 2nd and 3rd trumpets), and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And THEN (on the 2300th day of the Tribulation) shall they SEE the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory (the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f). And THEN shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (calling all saints to the general assembly, including those that were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

There is no way this could be talking about the 1335 days and Daniel standing in his lot at the end of the days. The Great Tribulation is 1260 days (Rev. 12:6,14). Then it gets shortened to 1040 days (2300 - 1260 = 1040).

Dan. 8:9-14 says, " And out of one of them (the 4 kingdoms out of Alexander's empire) came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land (Israel). And it (Satan in the False Prophet) waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it (the Satan part, the great red dragon) cast down some of the host and of the stars (the fallen angels) to the ground, and stamped upon them (Rev. 12:4). Yea, he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY (Mid-Trib), and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the DAILY SACRIFICE (1st 1260 days of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation (the last 1260 days, the Great Tribulation), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, UNTO TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

On the 2300th day, the two asteroid pieces impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10), and the False Prophet is deposed from office. The rest of the 1260 days, Satan operates on his own. Then dominion is taken from him at the Judgment of the Nations. 75 days after that, Daniel will stand in his own lot in Israel (1335 - 1260 = 75). Armageddon begins on the 1st of those 75 days.

Prov. 10:27 says, "The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of THE WICKED shall be SHORTENED." THE WICKED is "that Wicked...whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (II Thess. 2:8,9). He is the Satan possessed False Prophet who rules in the Great Tribulation. That is the last half of the Tribulation. Those are the years to be shortened.

> > Daniel 12:12-13 says: "Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." > > This does not say Daniel will stand in his lot at the end of the 1,335 days but at the end of 'the days'.

Yes it does. Till "the end be" and "the days" refer back to the number of days mentioned in the previous sentence, which is 1335.

From Mid-Trib, when the temple is desecrated, there are 3 sets of days, 1260, 1290 and 1335. Only the 1260 are shortened. The others run their full time. The 1260 are shortened for the elect's sake, and the elect are Raptured on the 2300th day. For unbelievers, the original days still apply.

This elect is in Petra/Sela and the mountains north of there, in Edom and Moab, and they must be raptured out of there before the asteroids impact Earth. Why? because that area is going to be hit by destruction. Isa. 16:1-5 says, " Send ye the lamb to the ruler of the land FROM SELA TO THE WILDERNESS, unto the mount of the daughter of Zion. For it shall be, that, as a wandering bird cast out of the nest, so the daughters of Moab shall be at the fords of Arnon (the river that runs into the Dead Sea). Take counsel, EXECUTE JUDGMENT; make thy shadow as the night in the midst of the NOONDAY (the asteroid pieces strike at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5); hide the outcasts; bewray not him that wandereth. Let mine outcasts dwell with thee, Moab; be thou a covert to them from the face of the spoiler: for THE EXTORTIONER IS AT AN END (the False Prophet is deposed), the spoiler ceaseth, the oppressors are consumed out of the land. And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he (Christ) shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging (the Judgment of the Nations), and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness." At the Judgment of the Nations, the sheep will include those who protected the Israelites who had to flee to the wilderness. Those goats who do not help the Israelites will be done away with.

Psa. 60:8-12 says, "God hath spoken in his holiness; I will rejoice, I will divide Shechem, and mete out the valley of Succoth. Gilead is mine, and Manasseh is mine; Ephraim also is the strength of mine head; Judah is my lawgiver; Moab is my washpot (lots of water); over Edom will I cast out my shoe: Philistia, triumph thou because of me. Who will bring me into the strong city (Petra)? who will lead me into Edom (where Petra is)? Wilt not thou, O God, which hadst cast us off? and thou, O God, which didst not go out with our armies (against the northern army under Gog that attacked Israel)? Give us help from trouble: for vain is the help of man (they have to trust God that day). Through God we shall do valiantly: for he it is that shall tread down our enemies." This is the Day of God's Wrath, the 2300th day of the Tribulation. The saints are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture before the asteroid pieces impact Earth at noon.

> > shortened to 1,320 days, for instance. Then Daniel will stand in his lot on the 1,320th day, not the 1,335th day. I see not reason, therefore, that the 1,335 days cannot be shortened, can you?

Yes. The days that are to be shortened are the 1260 days of the Great Tribulation. They are to be shortened for the elect's sake. Daniel doesn't need to be saved from death at the hands of the False Prophet or the great northern army led by Gog. The saints of the Great Tribulation are in desperate trouble by the time the days are cut short. The elect need to get raptured so the Wrath of God can be poured out on Gog's army and the completed Tower of Babel. The "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea" (Rev. 8:8), the Mediterranean Sea. That will take care of Gog's army and cleanse the sanctuary. The "great star from heaven, burning" of Rev. 8:10, which is the "stone like a great millstone" of Rev. 18:21, will obliterate Babylon. Rev. 9:1,2 says, " I saw a star (Satan's asteroid) fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him (Satan) was given the key (the asteroid, a piece of his planet Rahab that split apart) of the bottomless pit. And he opened the bottomless pit." The Lake of Fire will then form, and the angels that kept not their first estate (Satan's planet Rahab) will be released from their prison to torment men 5 months.

Jude 6 tells us of these angels: "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. The 2300th day of the Tribulation is "the great day." It is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, when the Lord will purge his kingdom. Agape

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Thankyou for the wonderful response you gave to my last email. The scripture Hebrews 6:13-18....to think gave us a double confirmation that He cannot lie - a promise and an oath on His Holy Name...what more proof do we need that He will not fail us. It made my heart soar and when I see the double anchor and hear of the double rainbows(signs of His Promises) I know that we have two immutable things to rely on...Praise YAHVEH.

I have been writing to a messianic jew and we have been talking about YAHshuas soon return - we agree on most things (I loved the last p&c from the Rabbi incidently). On one thing we differ and I have now become confused as there are gaps in my understanding of the Word. He says that we are ALL the Bride of Yeshua but some go at rapture one, some in the Tribulation....and presumably Israel once they have come of age at the end of the Millenium.....Rev. 7:13 - 14 does say the Tribulation Saints are wearing white(wedding garments?) washed clean by the Blood of the Lamb and I am sure the 144,000 jewish evangelists are worthy to be Brides. Maybe in Song of Solomon YAHshua marries the Bride and the sister at the end of the Tribulation. And at some later stage when she is of age the little sister with no breasts(Israel)? Is there anything in the Word to clarify this.

I still feel in my spirit that those of us who are in love with Him will be the Bride and that others do not KNOW Him in the biblical way as the word know implies will make up His body.....As for Israel I am not sure where they will be after the Millenium.... Ezekial 37 tells us how they will be restored how they will all come out of their graves to be given a second chance(v 12 - 14) as they have been blinded for our sakes Romans 11:7,8 and verse 28 - 33. And we are to minister to them in the Millenium Isaiah 49: 22-23. Logic tells me that YAHshua can marry only one wife and that the customs show that it takes place at the beginning of the Tribulation, is consumated for 7 days and then the supper to which the guests are invited? But I couldn't think of any scripture to back up my beleifs conclusively. Can you help?

Just as a little extra I went for a drive to a nearby beach last night...a lovely summer evening. On the way quite close to the beach I saw two doves on a telephone wire. I was amazed as I can never remember seeing doves(grey with white rings on their necks) so near to the coast. I wasn't sure if it was unusual or not. I parked on the beach and went for a lovely walk around the headland and lanes here in Cornwall. Just as I was returning to my car I saw another on a wire - I laughed and said "Lord are you trying to tell me something because I'm a bit stupid and can't figure it out". A hundred yards further down the road to the beach I saw two more doves sat on a fence I was really laughing now. I counted and made that 5. I couldn't figure any significance in the number and got in my car to drive home. Just up the road I saw THREE more doves on a wire. I was beginning to think I was in a hitchcock film. And then as I wondered about 8 and its hebrew meaning I saw one more dove fly in front of my car....nine. It could be just a funny happening, but with all the talk of doves in your last P&C I thought I'd mention it.

Hope you are well...my prayers always with you. Your sister in YAHshua

*oh nearly forgot Eddie Chumney said this in his book Bride of Christ regarding Moses:-

"The biblical wedding that God gave to the Jewish people will always have two witnesses. They are called the friends of the Bridegroom. One is assigned to the groom and one is assigned to the bride. Spiritually, the two witnesses that Jesus is the Bridegroom and the Messiah are the Torah, and the prophets. Jesus spoke to His disiples that the Torah, prophets and Writings are a witness that he is the messiah (Luke 24:36,44). When God betrothed Himself to Israel at mount Sinai, moses was seen as one of the two witnesses whose primary job was to escort the Bride (Israel) to meet the Groom under the chuppah (Mount Sinai)."

This ties in with all those letters talking about the two witnesses Moses and Elijah....Moses was one of the friends of the Groom even back then....and then present when YAHshua was on earth and will be again to "testify to Israel that he has been a true and faithful witness to all these things and that Jesus Christ of history is their true Messiah". I wonder about Elijah, how he earned the right to be the other true and faithful witness - and if Moses was the Brides witness does that mean Elijah is the Grooms, if so - why?

My reply

Sorry to take so long to answer this one. You mentioned Heb. 6:13-18, so I looked it up. I especially like verses 17-19. They say, "Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the HOPE set before us: Which HOPE we have as AN ANCHOR of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil." No wonder the Anchor Cross was used as a Christian symbol.

> > He says that we are ALL the Bride of Yeshua but some go at rapture one, some in the Tribulation

I don't think we are all the Bride of Yeshua because the 5 foolish virgins did not go with the Bridegroom (Yeshua) when he came (Mt. 25). I think the foolish Laodiceans virgins will be left behind at the first Rapture because they are not the Bride group. However, it looks like the 144,000 will be added to the Bride group. Rev. 14:3-5 says they are "virgins" and "they are without fault before the throne of God." They "sung as it were a new song" too. The "new song" was sung in Rev. 5:9 right after the 1st Rapture. This song seems to belong only to the Bride, and Rev. 14:3 says that no man could learn that song but the 144,000. Therefore, it could be that the 144,000 are the ONLY ones added to the Bride group out of the Tribulation. Let's look at some of the other references to the new song.

Psa. 33:3 says, "Rejoice in the LORD, O YE RIGHTEOUS: for praise is comely for the upright. Praise the LORD with HARP: sing unto him with the psaltery and an instrument of ten strings. SING UNTO HIM A NEW SONG; play skilfully with a loud noise." Harps are mentioned in Rev. 5:8, the new song in v. 9, and that group is the RIGHTEOUS Bride group.

Psa. 40:1-3 says, " I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me UP also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (out of our bodies of clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a NEW SONG in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." This is talking about the first Rapture. Many will see it and trust in the Lord. They do sing the "new song."

Psa. 98:1-3 says, "O sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG; for he hath done marvellous things: his right hand, and his holy arm, hath gotten him the victory. The LORD hath made known his salvation: his righteousness hath he openly shewed in the sight of the heathen. He hath remembered his mercy and his truth toward the house of Israel: all the ends of the earth have seen the salvation of our God."

Psa. 144:5-9 says, " Bow thy heavens, O LORD, and COME DOWN: touch the mountains, and they shall smoke. Cast forth lightning, and scatter them: shoot out thine arrows, and DESTROY them. Send thine hand from above; rid me, and deliver me out of great waters, from the hand of strange children; Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood. I will sing a NEW SONG unto thee, O God: upon a psaltery and an instrument of ten strings will I sing praises unto thee." If this applies later, it could be to the 144,000, because of the destruction on that day.

Psa. 149:1-5 says, " Praise ye the LORD. Sing unto the LORD a NEW SONG, and his praise in the CONGREGATION OF SAINTS. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: let the children of Zion be joyful in their KING. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation. Let the saints be joyful in glory (i.e., in Heaven): let them sing aloud upon their beds." This sounds like the general assembly that all saints are called to in Heaven the day of Rapture 2 (Heb. 12:23; Mk. 13:27). It is also Coronation Day for Christ receives his kingdom on the first day of the Millennium.

We can be sure the NEW SONG is sung at the two Raptures.

> > I am sure the 144,000 jewish evangelists are worthy to be Brides. Maybe in Song of Solomon YAHshua marries the Bride and the sister at the end of the Tribulation. And at some later stage when she is of age the little sister with no breasts(Israel)? Is there anything in the Word to clarify this

I think the Marriage of the Lamb is right after the Coronation of Christ and the gathering of all the saints to the general assembly in Heaven on the first day of the Millennium. As for the little sister, it could indicate a Rapture at the end of the Millennium. The reason for the two breasts mentioned for the Bride is because there are two Raptures. Song of Sol. 6:13 says, "What will ye see in the Shulamite: As it were (symbolic language) the company of TWO ARMIES." Song 7:7 says, "This thy stature is like to a palm tree (upright), and thy breasts to CLUSTERS of grapes."

> > As for Israel I am not sure where they will be after the Millenium

They are promised the Earth forever.

> > Logic tells me that YAHshua can marry only one wife and that the customs show that it takes place at the beginning of the Tribulation, is consumated for 7 days and then the supper to which the guests are invited?

I think the Marriage of the Lamb and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb both take place on the same day, the first day of the Millennium, which I think is the 2300rd day of the Tribulation.

> > if Moses was the Brides witness does that mean Elijah is the Grooms, if so - why?

Either this is the first time I've heard this, or I have forgotten it. Anyway, both Moses and Elijah stood talking to Christ at the Transfiguration. That puts them both in the same picture, as does the first 1260 days of the Tribulation.

Thanks for sharing your experience seeing the doves. The gray ones are all around our area, so I see them just about every day. I love to see them fly for they have some white in their spread-out wings. They are calm, unafraid and pretty tame for wild birds. Agape

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RE: formation of the moon
Thanks for the reply to my question on the formation of the moon. You know, I completely forgot about the description on the fourth day of the creation of the sun and moon (not to mention stars!). Is that word for "made" also yatsar, to mould or is it bara, to make a new thing or is it something different? That really is strange as there was evening and morning for the first through third days but the sun and moon were "made" on the fourth. That's interesting. Do you have or have you heard any interesting explanations on that? Just curious, I might email the Creation Research Institute on that one too. I'll let you know if I hear anything interesting

My reply

In Rev. 1:16, "God made two great lights," the word translated "made" is asah. It is not original creation like bara. Bara is only used for creation in the beginning, creation of animals and creation of man. On the 4th day, the clouds had cleared so that the Sun, Moon and stars could be seen. Agape

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I was a bit shocked when I went to the link you have on the front page (she went somewhere after clicking the award) - God centred vs man centred Christianity. It's frightening to think that we can subtly be deceived. I hope I'm acceptable enough for The Lord to go in the first rapture. It almost sounds like we've turned the almighty God into a spiritual father christmas - I hope sincerely my heart is pure before The Lord following Him and Him only.

Do you know when this present pope was ordained?

Thanks for always being available for all of us, I believe we (the regular readers) love you so dearly with the love of The Lord, knowing it's not easy for you. The fact that you enjoy the research and sharing with all is a blessing. love you lots

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A sister of ours in Christ put this to me and asked if I could pass this on to you for your opinion...

She was asking about the parable of the fig tree Luke 13:6-9. And asked if in verse 8 where the dresser(Holy Spirit) asks" Lord can You let it alone this year also and I shall dig about it and dung it (fertilize with the Holy Spirit). And if it bear fruit well, and if not THEN after shall thou cut it down. She asked if we are now in the year mentioned....if it was the tarrying of the parable of the wise and unwise virgins?

This made me think of Galations3:16-29. Verse 29 "And if you be Christ's, then are you Abrahams seed and heirs according to the promise" ..... that we too are Abraham's seed - some the physical seed by descent........some spiritual seed through Christ's Holy Spirit. Some as the stars in heaven (The Bride) and some as sand in the sea (Israel and those in the Millenium) on the restored earth.

If we are ALL ABRAHAMS SEED AND THEREFORE ISRAEL then many verses including the parable of the fig tree refer to gentiles also? Maybe this parable is talking to the wise and unwise virgins about the rapture? And maybe many other verses are very relevant to us that refer to Israel?

What do you think? I'd appreciate your opinion. Your loving sister (in Christ)

My reply

The digging and dunging may be going on right now at Camp David. I don't think it is the Holy Spirit. I think Israel's grace years are nearly up. I expect the covenant to be confirmed by the Beast and False Prophet on the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to kick off the 70th week of Daniel.

We are Abraham's spiritual seed, but be careful to keep the promises to the Church separate from the promises to Israel. Israel's will all come true to literal Israel. We are of the heavenly group, as some of them are, but that does not change anything that was promised to literal Israel here on the Earth. Agape

My reply

I don't know when this Pope was ordained.

What we need to do to get ready for the Rapture is in I Jn. 1:9. It says, "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." We want to bring all sins under the blood of Christ. It is like Jesus washing Peter's feet. We need to keep getting our feet washed, because Jesus told Peter in Jn. 13:8, " If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me." We can learn that lesson now, or we can learn it the hard way, during chastisement, but we will learn it. In Rev. 7:14, we see that the Tribulation saints have finally washed their robes in the blood of Christ to make them white.

Thanks for your kind words. I do enjoy research. I feel like I have studied my whole life, on one subject or another, nutrition, astronomy, then the Bible for the last 40 years. I'm lost without something to read. I carry things to read with me when I know I'll have to wait awhile. Reading has been sort of a driving force in my life ever since I was in the 3rd grade. After I got into Bible study, I prayed that if I had to lose something as I got older, it would be my hearing, not my eyesight. I'm kinda hard of hearing, but I can see. Thank you Lord.

I am so thankful to be on the Internet. People are so nice. They send me information and Web pages that they know I'll be interested in. Lately, I found out that another moon has been found around Jupiter, etc. I wouldn't have that same opportunity if I was not on the Internet. I might miss some of the signs too. Things in Science or Astronomy magazines, I tried to keep up with on my visits to the libraries, but now I do not have much time to go. Therefore, I NEED to be notified of these things. Agape

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