Pro and Con 563

Posted 7-31-00

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> > By the way, here in Ft. Worth, this afternoon (June 11th), we saw a complete double rainbow running from North to South over the city! Very unusual, and very beautiful.

I apologize for being so late to post this. It got lost in my mountain of email. Thanks for your prayers in my behalf.

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RE: 10 regions
Did you know that The The untied states is divided up into "10" regions? yes it is... We are retired military folks and in order to recive medical care we must belong to a certain region.. as of now we live in region "3" which is most of the southeren states.. I think perhaps this is the model for global domination?? It will become global dont you think? its somthing to mediate on how many sheep know this?? just a provoking thought.. The military is AWAYS the guinny pig for the real thing.. and if the military has been toying with it first you know somthing is in the works.

My reply

I had no idea on this country, but the world has already been divided into 10 regions. Agape

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Re: Jerusalem a Burdensome Stone
With the, "End Of The Gentiles" occurring in 1967 and Jerusalem becoming one united city under Jewish control, what will become of the Palestinians demand to have Jerusalem as it's capital? As I understand it, Jerusalem will never be divided again. I was not surprised that the so called Peace Talks, ended the way they did.

The Bible says that Jerusalem will be a Burdensome Stone in the end, and so it is. Do you think it will lead to war? Doesn't the Palestinians already have their own state in the country of Jordan?

My reply

All I know is that they will give up land for peace. Joel 3:2 says, "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and PARTED MY LAND."

Peace will be taken from the Earth when the second seal is broken on the Title Deed to the Earth. I think that will be about the 2nd year of the Tribulation. Where it will break out, I don't know.

I think the united nations' army under Gog (Eze. 38) will attack Israel on the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14), the Day of God's Wrath. In that day, the Israelites will be helpless. They will turn to God, and the Lord will fight for them that day. That is the day Israel will be in labor and bring forth her children. The nation will be born in a day (Isa. 66:8). After that, Jerusalem will never be divided.

Jordan doesn't want the displaced Palestinians. Agape

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RE: Fw: [Rapture2000] Lead article from today's Jerusalem Post

If Arafat had approved this agreement, the Jews would be able to pray on the Temple Mount. Setting up an altar and praying might fulfill the scripture, if they were allowed to sacrifice. It has been debated whether or not a PHYSICAL temple had to be built before sacrificing could begin. It looks like there is a stand-off with no further talks slated. Sept. 13 is fast approaching. Love
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http://www.jpost.com/Editions/2000/07/27/News/News.10212.html
Source: Barak was ready to divide Jerusalem, By Danna Harman
JERUSALEM (July 27) - Prime Minister Ehud Barak, at the end of the Camp David summit, had been willing to consider the possibility of creating a Palestinian "Al-Kuds" beside the Jewish capital, effectively dividing Jerusalem, a senior official aboard his return flight confirmed yesterday.

...Barak emphasized that Israel had formally given up nothing and stressed that, at least for the time being, the Palestinians would be getting nothing more from Israel....

Sources said that US President Bill Clinton's last proposal on Jerusalem - which Barak was ready to accept, but which was rejected by Arafat - involved giving the Palestinians the right to call sections of Jerusalem part of the future Palestinian state. It also included giving Arafat far-reaching administrative authority in most of Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods, allowing several of neighborhoods outside Jerusalem's eastern border to be annexed to the future Palestinian state, and giving Arafat wide religious and civil powers within the Old City and formal custodial status on the Temple Mount.

In return, Barak would have received the right to annex several Jewish settlement blocs near Jerusalem, gained international and Palestinian recognition of Israel's right to the redrawn Jerusalem, and would have also received rights for Jews to pray on the Temple Mount.

The official said that "logically" all outstanding promises to the Palestinians are now on hold, meaning that there will be no additional land transfers or prisoner releases....

"We found a Palestinian leadership unripe for decisions. Now they will have to do some real thinking about what they stand to lose. Then we will see," he said....

He said that following the summit, the Palestinians will not find much empathy for their positions and that most Western nations would refuse to recognize a Palestinian state, if declared unilaterally on September 13 as planned. In the last meeting between Arafat and Barak, said the official, no mention of September 13 was made.

"The sides know the consequences of unilateral actions, and neither wants to let the situation deteriorate into violence," he said.

"In your names, in the names of the millions of eyes still looking, hoping, and praying, I promise not to despair, not to tire, not to stop pursuing peace," Barak said at Ben-Gurion Airport. "We were willing to pay a heavy price, but we knew that on three things we would not be able to compromise or concede: on the security of Israel, on the holiness of Israel, and on the unity of Israel.

My reply

Thanks a bunch for sending me the article with details.

Re: the temple. Rev. 11:1,2 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months."

In the days of Ezra, they built an altar and started sacrificing with just that. However, this scripture sounds like more than the altar is there. It seems like the temple would be built beside the Mosque of Omar, since the court which is without the temple is given unto the Gentiles.

The 42 months of v. 2 is the same as the 1260 days of v. 3, when the two witnesses prophesy. This is the first half of the Tribulation. The "rain not in the days of their propecy" in v. 6 ties in with the famine that hits when the 3rd seal on the Title Deed of the Earth is broken (Rev. 6:5,6), in about the 3rd year of the Tribulation.

In Rev. 12:9, satan is "cast out into the earth." That is Mid-Trib. Those in Judea flee to the wilderness and are protected there for the last 1260 days of the Tribulation (12:6,14). As this last 1260-day period begins, 11:7 says, "when they (the 2 witnesses) shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." I take it that this is when Satan enters into the False Prophet, who then speaks "as a dragon" (Rev. 13:11). He is the wicked one, the son of perdition, who immediately goes to the temple. He will probably demand that the 2 witnesses found teaching in the temple worship him, for he "sitteth in the TEMPLE of God, shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). They refuse and he kills them. From that point on, the sacrificing will stop. The 2nd 1260 days is the Great Tribulation.

Dan. 11:31 says, "arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination (idol) that maketh desolate."

Mt. 24:15,16 also mentions this. It says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains."

We see the Great Tribulation picture painted in Dan. 8:10-14. It says, "it (Satan) cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him (Satan in the False Prophet) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down (Mid-Trib). And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the DAILY SACRIFICE (the first 1260 days), and the transgression of desolation (i.e., from Mid-Trib on), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall THE SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED." Therefore, the period when the Jews can sacrifice plus the period when they can not equals 2300 days. On that 2300th day, the wrath of God is cast on Earth. The sanctuary is cleansed. The 2nd set of 1260 days is shortened to 1040, or no flesh would be saved (Mt. 24:22).

Doesn't it sound like the temple is there from the first of the Tribulation to the 2300th day? Agape

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Re: Rahab
I am very interested in your theory regarding the destruction of Rahab. If you are willing or able, I would appreciate it if you would send me further information or links that were used to investigate this idea....Thank You

My reply

This file on my web site might be of interest:
http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/catast.html

I explained it in my first book, Exit:2007: The Secret of Secrets Revealed ($5.50 plus shipping, either $1.63 for Book Rate or $3.20 for Priority Mail).

I don't know of anyone else who figured it out. It was one of those things I had to find out for myself. Reading different Bible versions was helpful, for sometimes the word was Rahab, and it was translated as proud, which Rahab means. Not all translators would do that, and it would say Rahab.

For instance, Job 26:11-14 (KJV) says, "The pillars of heaven tremble and are astonished at his reproof. He DIVIDETH THE SEA with his power, and by his understanding he smiteth through the PROUD (RAHAB). By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens; his hand hath formed the CROOKED SERPENT. Lo, these are parts of his ways: but how little a portion is heard of him? but the thunder of his power who can understand?"

In the Jerusalem Bible, it says, "The pillars of the heavens tremble, awe-struck at his threats. By his power, he has WHIPPED UP THE SEA, by his skill, HE HAS CRUSHED RAHAB. His breath has made the heavens luminous, his hand transfixed the FLEEING SERPENT. This is only a fraction of what he has done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo."

Here are 3 versions of Isa. 51:9 where "Rahab" appears. Just because the translators picked different words, more things come clear to me as I read different versions. Isa. 51:9 (KJV) says, " Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that HATH CUT (lit., split) RAHAB, and WOUNDED THE DRAGON?"

That last part of Isa. 51:9 in the JB says, "Was it not you who SPLIT RAHAB IN HALF, who PIERCED THE DRAGON THROUGH?"

Isa. 51:9 in the Lamsa Bible says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake as in the ancient days, as in the generations of old. Surely it was thou that didst DECREE A SEVERE SENTENCE THAT DIDST SLAY THE DRAGON."

It seems that the angels were tested and 1/3rd failed the test (Rev. 12:4). They were judged and sentenced. Satan's planet, Rahab, was split apart and became our Asteroid Belt. A piece of Rahab must have impacted Earth and blasted the Moon material out of the Pacific Basin.

Psa. 89:9-11 (KJV) says, "Thou rulest the RAGING OF THE SEA: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Thou hast BROKEN RAHAB IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast SCATTERED THINE ENEMIES with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.

Re: the 3rd day of refashioning the Earth to make it a fit habitat for Adam, Gen.1:9 (KJV) says, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." I think that "ONE PLACE" is the Pacific Basin.

Gen. 1:9 (NAB) says, "'Let the water under the sky be gathered into A SINGLE BASIN, so that the dry land may appear.' And so it happened: the water under the sky was gathered into ITS BASIN, and the dry land appeared."

Job 38:8-11(KJV) says, "who shut up THE SEA with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the CLOUD the garment thereof, and THICK DARKNESS a swaddlingband for it, And brake up for it MY DECREED PLACE, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?"

Psa. 104:4-9 (KJV) says, "Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire: Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever. Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains. At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away. They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto THE PLACE WHICH THOU HAST FOUNDED FOR THEM. Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth." Agape

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Av l9 has many positive points for the rapture date. In fact, as many as any date we have had, so far.

l. As the days of Noah- the day the dove returned the second time, holding the olive leaf.
2. The date, this year, that the Feast of the Transfiguration is celebrated.
3. Near the end of summer and the grape harvest. "summer is nigh."
4. Ten days from the 9th of Av, when both temples were destroyed.
5. It is a sabbath.
6. Can apply to the season description in the Song of Solomon

Av is the 5th Month on the Sacred Calendar. In Hebrew, 5 represents Grace. On the Civil Calendar, as the days of Noah, Av was the llth Month, and ll represents Judgement and Disorder(for the lost).

The l9th Day, l9 represents Faith. Our gentile year, 2000, has no representation, however, 2 represents Union and Division, and 1000 represents Divine Completion and the Glory of God.

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Wow - Marilyn!!!
Did we have another blood-red moon eclipse on July 16th THIS year? I had no idea! Thanks!

Re: Mission Patch
The "Mission Patch" - the winged beast - is so curious! I wonder if they are trying to depict one of the constellations - that is what it looks like, but there are NO constellations that look like THAT --- that I know of!!!!

My reply

Yes, that really red as blood Moon was photographed July 16, 2000. Wasn't it spectacular? Now we have had signs in the Sun, Moon and constellations, as prophesied in Lu. 21:25.

I think the winged beast that is ready to pounce is to depict their new satellite constellation. As far as I can see, it has nothing to do with real constellations. Agape

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Re: 2 raptures
...I guess you don't post everything people write in but I just wanted to add my thoughts.

## From Marilyn. With 162 emails in my Inbox, I don't answer every one. I wish I could, but somehow the Lord made me needing at least 5 hours of sleep a night. When I answered ASAP a couple of times and your next email still said, "Answer me back as soon as possible," I thought why should I, that you were not listening anyway and I would just be spinning my wheels. I could accomplish more by discussing Scripture with someone who wanted to look at a few scriptures and try to figure out what they meant. On 6-7-00, you said, "sometime, I feel like the lord is calling me to preach." I decided that you were just using my Web site to post your ideas, and not listening to a thing I said. You gave no proof of most of the statements you made. Why should I believe you when you tell me over and over that there is no Rapture with no Scripture proof? If you want all your ideas posted, set up your own Web site. If you want someone to listen to you, prove each statement with Scripture. Otherwise, what you say is so much hot air.

On 6-7, you said, "I've have been told by this one preacher the world can go on for another 1000 yrs, and it is only false when people try to pin point the end and the rapture." If you want to believe what every preacher says, you can. For me, I only believe what I see in Scripture. Human beings can be wrong, and if you believed them all, you would be so mixed up, you would be dizzy. We should put them to the test. Does what they say agree with Scripture or not? Keep the good, and throw out the bad.

## I will pick out a few things to answer. There are too many to even think about addressing them all. It would take days and more memory than I have available on my Web site, and still you wouldn't be more likely to listen than before.

> > 6:7: how come it is wrong for a women to be a preacher as long, she preach the truth out of righteousness?

## God chose men to head up churches, maybe because men will pay more attention hearing it from a man. He uses women in different ways. Also, there seem to be times that God looks for a man, finds none for that particular job, so finds a woman to do it. If anyone prepares by studying the scriptures, and is willing to do what the Lord puts before them, he will lead them where he wants them to do his work. When I told the Lord I was willing, and asked him what he wanted me to do, I had no idea what I would end up doing. He leads one step at a time.

> > This world goverement, every one is saying it does not mean anything, and it nothing have to do with the Bible or the coming of the Rapture, they said, it is false.

**So, do you test this by comparing it with Scripture, or do you swallow the hook like a fish?

> > I don't believe in 1 or 2 raptures - I believe that when we die our souls go to God who created them....When we die we either go to the good side of heaven (where Lazarus went) or the bad side (where the rich man went). To me this is what you call rapturing up to God. Really it is when we die we are resurrected as soon as our last breath is made. If we died and went to dwell with God we will come back at the 7th trumpet...

> > The 2nd Rapture as you put it to me is at the 7th Trumpet - the 2nd Advent of Jesus Christ. If we have not died when this trumpet is blown we will basically die when we hear it. Our flesh bodies will die and we will be changed into our spirit bodies. 1Cor. 15:51-52....So for me, the 1st rapture is really if you died today and you either went straight to God and you will not be judged at the White Throne Judgment - you made it. The 2nd rapture is at the 7th trumpet and if you did not worship the antichrist and you kept your faith till the end then you made it too....

## I Thess. 4:17 says, "Then we which are ALIVE and remain shall be CAUGHT UP together with them (the dead in Christ that have just gotten their resurrection bodies) in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air."

## The 7 trumpet judgments are the Wrath of God. If the 2nd Rapture was at the 7th trumpet, the saints would have to go through the Wrath of God. I Thess. 5:9 says, "God hath NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH."

> > ...Where did Cain get his wife...

## She was either his sister or a relative. Gen. 1:28 says, "God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." They did, right away. How many children could they have had, and how many children could their offspring have had in the first 130 years?

> > Why did God create "on the 6th day" male and female - I believe these were the races because when he "formed" Adam he later made Eve so he didn't do it at the exact same time like it says he "created male and female."

## Sorry, but I believe the Bible is true.

< < 6-9-00: There was a world before this one - God's children were in spirit bodies. And their will be an eternal world after this earth age has passed. After the millennium God will have this thrown here on earth - Jerusalem. God had to destroy that world and that's where our souls come from. We have to go through this flesh age to pass the test - do we love God or satan? When we are born, God gives us our souls. We are born from the water of our mothers womb and our souls are placed in our flesh bodies by God. This world is about 13,000 years old - one year of God's time is 1,000 years of our time - He created this flesh world in 7 days - 7,000 years. Adam and Eve are 6,000 years ago so this world is at least 13,000....There had to be a spirit world before this one since Satan is a "spirit being" and so are his nephillium (fallen angels) who left their habitation. Gen.6.

## No human being existed before Adam, and you have no proof that the angels were tested on Earth. They left their habitation and came to Earth, so their habitation was not on Earth. Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab (split Satan's planet Rahab), and wounded the dragon (Satan)?" I believe Satan's planet became our Asteroid Belt. I also believe that the 6 days of Gen. 1 were 6 literal days. If the night had been 500 years long, the plants would have died.

> > ...Job 40:15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee...17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: (the biggest animals - hippopotamus or elephants have small tails - this had a tail as wide as a cedar!)

## Scripture says, "He MOVETH his tail like a cedar" (i.e., that it moves as a cedar moves in the wind), not that it is as wide as a cedar. Consider hippo again.

> > 6-12-00: ...why is it that they don't see that "Satan exists and he is a spirit being?" God created the world and since Lucifer wanted to be God, God destroyed that earth age. Then he made this earth age "flesh age" that we live in now. Eventually, this world or this earth age will be over and we will have heaven on earth - but we will be spirits again.

## Heaven is in the heavenlies, not on Earth. Jn. 14:2,3 says, " In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

> > If we can understand that God created a spirit world in which Lucifer tried to be God. We can understand why God destroyed the world that was. Not the world - but everything on the earth at that time - scientist say it was an asteroid - I say it was God that destroyed all living things on the earth. Which also explains why we do not have fossils of "flesh men" because there were NO flesh men - they were spirit beings. Then when ever he created this earth age - on the same earth - flesh age - we can see that he created man on the 6th day and rested on the 7th day and on the 8th day He "formed" Adam and put Him in the Garden of Eden (God's favorite place in the universe) and later he created Eve...

## Where in Scripture do you find that "there were spirit beings" on Earth before Adam? Re: "the 8th day...and later: Gen. 2:1,3 says, "Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED, AND ALL THE HOST OF THEM (in 6 days)....and God blessed the seventh day."

> > I don't know what you think of what God has given be but I just have to tell you. When you realize that there is no rapture then maybe you will think of what God is telling you.

## If you are a prophet, why doesn't your message agree with Scripture?

> > When you see with your own eyes ALL this history that repeats itself just like the King of Babylon - at type of Antichrist - you will see that you are not "rapturing" out but that you have to have your full armour on the withstand the wiles of the Devil. Why do you have to have your armour on the fight against Satan if you are'nt going to be here? You are going to be here. Did you ever read that God "raptured" out anyone in the old testament. I'm not just talking about Enoch or Elias I am talking about a rapture like you describe the church all going up? I never did read about that and I know that Jesus said, Behold, I have foretold you ALL things - by example of history.

## Isa. 57:1 says, "The righteous perisheth (abad, escapes), and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are TAKEN AWAY, none considering that the righteous is TAKEN AWAY (raptured) from the evil to come" (the Tribulation).

> > 6:13-00:..That doesn't make sense when you say, "Where there is a last trump, there must be a first trump" - The Bible says, "...with the trump of God.." NOT - with the FIRST trump of God.

## The 1st in a series is the first of its kind, whether it is named the 1st or not. To avoid confusion, the 2nd in a series must be identified either as the 2nd or the last.

> > ...When the voice said "Come up hither" God was talking to JOHN not the church....

## John is one of the 24 elders. The other 11 apostles are caught up with John. When they are caught up, we are caught up too. All the elders are Israelites, but Rev. 5:9 says the Lord, "hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation." This group out of all nations is before the throne in Heaven before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6 to kick off the Tribulation.

> > ...Paul wrote 1st Thess. and later had to write 2nd Thess so that they understood that the end would not come until the son of predition (Satan) be revealed...So the way I understand it is Jesus is coming to this earth 2 times during this flesh age. The second Advent will be at the LAST trump as it states....

## II Thess. 2:1-4 says, "Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by OUR GATHERING together unto him (at the 1st Rapture), That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ (almost all major MSS have Day of the Lord, i.e., the Millennium) is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (the Day of the Lord) shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., the Rapture) FIRST, and that man of sin (the False Prophet) be revealed (when he confirms the covenant as the Tribulation begins), the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God." This gathering is the 1st trump.

## There are 7 months between God's wrath (the 7 trumpet judgments) and the Second Advent. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD." Agape

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Your web site means so much to me! I have learned so much & you truly are so dedicated to the Lord. This is so apparent in so many ways. When people are difficult, you always take the high road in answering back and in explaining your views. Wanted to...support you in this special role you play in telling others about the Lord & in warning them that time is short. I sent you an email about two months ago & was so pleased to see it on your Web site....

My reply

Thanks bushels. I may not always take the high road, but I do my best. People who would like an answer shouldn't write so much in one email. When I read that, I feel like I don't have time for all that and leave it for later. Whether later ever comes depends on how many reasonable emails I receive after that. I allot about 30K for each Pro and Con too. If one email is going to take more than that, I may never figure out how to squeeze it in, and if I do, it will be piecemeal.

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