Pro and Con 587

Posted 9-1-00

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From a Christian in India
Praise God i hope you are fine and in the best of health...i am sorry i could not write to you earlier..

kamini is fine now..she got her own job..i still contact her..she has now established Jesus as her God...

but only one problem remains church..she planned to go to methodist church etc etc....but i did not recommend that..

...you may be able to give me some churches in kuala lampur captial of malaysia so as we can guide kamini to the right church...

but i really wish she would go to a church where there is more preaching of the gospel and word of God than simply "shouting in tounges".

My reply

Thank you Lord. She didn't answer my last email, so I wondered about her. I just had to keep praying for her. I hope others reading this will pray for her too.

Please, if anyone knows of a good church to recommend for the new Christian, Kamini (the former "Hindi girl")in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, let me know. Agape

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thanks for your opinion. There are any scriptures that I have found that kind of contradicts that Jesus is God , could you explain the following scriptures: John 6:38 , John 7:16, Mt. 3:16,17...John 17:3, john 20:17...2 Cor. 1:3, 1Cor. 8:6 , 1Tim. 5:21, Luke 4:18 , Mt. 20:23, John 8:17,18, Mark 10:18 and John 5:19. These scriptures sound that jesus and Jehovah are separate identities. perhaps you could explain each and everyone to me , perhaps I am missing something . Jesus always spoke that he was lesser than his Father Jehovah, he never put himself above his father in Heaven, so how could he be God and be talking to himself....I will be looking forward to your explanation...

Also I read the book of Mrs Eadie Book guided by the light. And her near Death experience , he realised that ,when she spoke to Christ in Heaven that there was Jesus and another greater Spirit creature there. She said that she always believed in the Trinity, But now she says in her book there has been a mistake and the Churches have been deceived , she says there are God and Jesus Christ and the holy Spirit and they are separate...

My reply

...We have to go by Scripture. It is the only real truth we have. It is the anchor of our souls to keep us from being wafted to and fro with every wind of doctrine.

I think all of these scriptures come clear to us if we think about the Godhead (Elohim, plural) first.

God is spirit (Jn. 4:24). Acts 17:28 says, "For in him we live, and move, and have our being." He is omnipresent, everywhere at the same time. The whole universe cannot contain him. I Ki. 8:27 says, "But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee." God could be in Heaven as the Father, and be in Jesus as the Son at the same time. He could speak from Heaven, or he could speak from the mouth of Jesus Christ at any time. Carrying it even farther, God could speak from Heaven, or from Christ, or from a prophet of God at any time.

In Isa. 53:1, Christ is referred to as "the ARM of the LORD." Heb. 1:1-3 tells us that "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down ON the RIGHT HAND of the Majesty on high."

Jn. 1:18 says, "No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which IS in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Whether in the OT or the NT, any time the LORD was SEEN by man, it was the Son. He is the one with whom man has to do. He is the mediator between God and man. As the pre-incarnate Christ, he was the mediator between God and man in OT times. As the incarnate Christ, he is the mediator between God and man in NT times.

Jn 1:1-4,14 says, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.... AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US."

II Cor. 5:19 helps us understand. Paul had been "caught up" (Gr., harpazo, as in I Thess 4:16) to the 3rd Heaven himself (II Cor. 12:2-7). He had been taught by God. He knew the mystery of God. In II Cor. 5:19, Paul stated plainly, "GOD WAS IN CHRIST, RECONCILING THE WORLD UNTO HIMSELF."

Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is GIVEN (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Jesus Christ is like no other. He is unique. He is God in the body of a man that was fathered by God. He is the seed of the woman of Gen. 3:15.

Jesus Christ was given all the powers of God. Col. 2:9 says, "FOR IN HIM DWELLETH ALL THE FULNESS OF THE GODHEAD BODILY." We are given the Spirit of God by measure, but John 3:34 tells us it was different for Christ, "For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him."

*John 6:38 says, "I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me."

Christ the Lord, God the Son, our creator, came from Heaven to indwell the body of Jesus. I Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man (Adam) is of the earth, earthy; the second man (Christ) IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN."

*John 7:16 says, "Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me."

At all times, Jesus did the will of God, who as the Son, dwelt in him, and as the Father, dwelt in Heaven at the same time. All of God could not be contained in one earthly body, but even so, Jesus was given all the powers of God.

*Mt. 3:16,17 says, "Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

This was done to show the three in one. Here we have the Father's voice, the Son, and the Spirit of God, and these three are one. I Jn. 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word (the Son), and the Holy Ghost (the Spirit of God): and these three are one." Mt. 28:19 says, "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name (one name) of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." De. 6:4 says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH) our God (Elohim, plural) is one (echad, united) LORD (YHVH)."

When we see God in Heaven, we are still going to see him in the face of Jesus Christ. Rev. 22:3-5 says, " And there shall be no more curse: but the throne (one throne) of God AND of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face (one face); and his name (one name) shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there." Zech. 14:9 says, "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be ONE LORD, and HIS NAME ONE."

*Luke 4:18 says, "The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised."

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ. Rom. 8:9 says, " ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his." II Jn. 1:9 says, " He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath BOTH the Father and the Son."

*John 17:3 says, "this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."

The Father is God, and the Son is God. Isa. 7:14 says, "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel." Mt. 1:23 says, "Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."

Prov. 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name (YHVH), and what is his son's name (YHVH of hosts, Yahshua, Jesus, Emmanuel), if thou canst tell?" Psa. 2:7,12 says, ""I will declare the decree: the LORD (YHVH) hath said unto me (YHVH of hosts), THOU ART MY SON; this day have I begotten thee....Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."

Isa. 44:6 says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer (Christ) the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first (YHVH, King of Israel), AND I am the last (YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer, Christ); and BESIDE ME THERE IS NO GOD." In Rev. 22:13, Jesus said, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning (LORD of the OT) AND the end (Lord of the NT), the first (YHVH, King of Israel) AND the last" (YHVH of hosts, Yahshua, Jesus Christ, the Redeemer). In v. 16, he said, " I am the root (YHVH, King of Israel) AND the offspring of David (Jesus Christ), and the bright and morning star" (where his throne is located).

*John 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."

On Resurrection Day, Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven and returned to Earth that same day. God the Son ascended to God the Father because the OT saints were to be taken to Heaven. Heb. 9:22-24 tells us another reason he ascended that day. It says, "without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us." This doesn't mean that at this time the Father was not also on Earth. He is omnipresent at all times.

*2 Cor. 1:3 says, "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort."

It is the same God that is the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ and that is the Spirit of God, also called the Spirit of Christ and the Holy Spirit. God the Father, acts on Earth in Jesus Christ or as the Holy Spirit. In OT days, God acted on Earth in the Son as the angel of the LORD or as the Spirit of God.

*1 Cor. 8:6 says, "But to us there is but ONE GOD, the Father, OF WHOM are all things, and we IN HIM; AND ONE Lord Jesus Christ, BY WHOM are all things, and we BY HIM."

Think about the things I capitalized. The Lord Jesus Christ, our creator, brings us to God by our being IN CHRIST.

*1Timothy 5:21 says, "I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality."

God and the Lord Jesus Christ are the same. It took awhile, but in Jn. 20:28, doubting Thomas finally got it. "Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God."

*Mt. 20:23 says, "he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father."

Since Jesus said in Jn. 10:30, "I and my Father are one," he knew how it really will be, but he was not ready to impart this information to man.

*John 8:17-19 says, " It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

John 8:23-27 says, "he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I AM FROM ABOVE: ye are of this world; I AM NOT OF THIS WORLD. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for IF YE BELIEVE NOT THAT I AM HE (the Father), ye shall die in your sins. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning. I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that HE SPAKE TO THEM OF THE FATHER."

*Mark 10:18 says, "Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God."

Jesus was fishing to see if the man understood that he was God.

*John 5:19 says, "Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise."

As a man, Jesus was obedient to his Father. His own human spirit was subservient to his deity. He did many things to show us what we should do, things like praying to the Father. Jn. 11:42 says, "Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead (Lazarus) was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I KNEW THAT THOU HEAREST ME ALWAYS: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me."

> > how could he be God and be talking to himself

It is easy if you are three in one. I Jn. 5:7 says, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these THREE ARE ONE."...

In Rev. 4 and 5, we see what at first glance seems to be God the Father sitting on his throne giving the title deed of the Earth to the Lamb of God (Christ). However, there is more to this than we can see at first glance. John is one of the 24 elders caught up in the Rapture. When in Heaven, he said, "behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper (first stone in the High Priest's breastplate) and a sardine stone (last stone in the High Priest's breastplate): and there was a rainbow (Saturn's rings) round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald (stone that represented Judah in the breastplate)" (Rev. 4:2,3). Wow! He that sat on the throne was "the first AND the last" (Rev. 1:17; 22:13), "the root (YHVH) AND the offspring of David (Jesus)" (Rev. 22:16). No wonder the symbolic Lamb was used in the next chapter. The one who is both the first and the last had to play the parts of both the first and the last. This probably took a bit of thought on how to present it in this miracle play, The Revelation of Jesus Christ. Right now, his true self is to be revealed to those who have just been Raptured. In the Preview of the Rapture, Jesus had told them, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which is (at the Rapture), and which was (at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), THE ALMIGHTY." In 1:17, he also said, "I am the first AND the last." They need to remember this to be able to fathom what the following means.

In Rev. 5:5-9, John said, "one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion (King) of the tribe of Juda (Jesus), the ROOT (YHVH) of David (i.e., the YHVH/Jesus), hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb (symbol of Jesus) as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. And he (Jesus, as the Lamb) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (YHVH/Jesus) that sat upon the throne (as the heavenly King of Israel). And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb (i.e., Jesus), having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation."

I Tim. 3:16 says, "without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." Agape

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Re: Gap theory
Found another verse dealing with the 'death before sin' concept and wondered how you interpreted this one.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

Now I hope you can see that death came by man, or because of man. I don't see how else this can be interpreted.

Looking at the above verse, and coupling it with Romans 5:12, it appears that there was no death before Adam.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

By man came death, by man came sin, therefore man brought sin and death.

One other thought about the Gap Theory. If there was a worldwide cataclysmic event between Gen 1:1 and verse 2, then that would have wiped out the geologic evidence that we see in the fossil record that supposedly happened millions of years ago. If all the mountains were leveled and underwater, (these mountains also took millions of years to form) then the fossil record would have been destroyed as well.

There is evidence of a worldwide event in the geologic record, and that was the flood of Noah's time. There is not evidence for two events of this magnitude. Unless you know of something I don't. Maranatha!

My reply

...Rom. 5:12 explains I Cor. 15:21. It is talking about death by sin. We have to lay the scriptures side by side to see the whole picture. I Cor. 15:22 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It is contrasting those that are IN ADAM with those that are IN CHRIST. Why did Adam die? because of sin. Therefore, death by sin came by Adam.

> > If there was a worldwide cataclysmic event between Gen 1:1 and verse 2, then that would have wiped out the geologic evidence that we see in the fossil record

Why would it? It didn't wipe it out in Noah's day. There is a 1/2 inch iridium layer that was distributed worldwide. It could only come from an asteroid.

> > There is evidence of a worldwide event in the geologic record, and that was the flood of Noah's time. There is not evidence for two events of this magnitude.

The magnitude was much greater between Gen. 1:1 and 2 than at the time of Noah's Flood. I think the Moon material was blasted off of the Earth and the Pacific Basin dug. That caused a thick smoke band to spread around Earth.

Earths axis shifted abruptly during the catastrophe. When fluid rock, lava or water borne sediment is deposited, microscopic magnetized iron oxide particles align themselves toward north. These tiny compass needles recorded the shift.

There are 472,500 sq. miles of curved and crumpled glass ash in our Pacific Ocean bed that bear mute testimony to a cataclysm that is almost beyond imagination.

After the Berkeley, CA, "Origin of the Earth" meeting sponsored by the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Dec., Richard Kerr's article, "Making the Moon, Remaking Earth," was published in Science, Mar. 17, 1989. He wrote, "It now seems likely that the impact of a Mars-size object somehow formed the moon." I don't think our rocks reveal that much heat, but I do think Earth got hit with a large chunk of the shattered planet Rahab when the Moon was formed.

I think there was a terrific catastrophe when the Moon was shucked out of Earth. The magnetic poles flip flopped. Iridium, microtectites, shocked quartz, sanidine, stishovite (formed only by impact) and soot were deposited. Coal, petroleum and fossils were formed.

This would explain why lunar rocks are magnetized when there is no source of magnetism on the moon, why sea levels fell dramatically, why pillow lava formed in the ocean ended up on top of the ground in Wyoming, why limestone at Laytonville, CA was originally formed at 17 degrees SOUTH latitude, why Peruvian rock is found in Baja California, why the Earth cracked at the East Pacific Rise and why CA and the Pacific Ring of Fire have many earthquakes. The Earth did become dark, desolate, and empty, and the Lord did break up a place for the sea.

Gen. 1:9 says, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Job 38:4-11 says,"Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and THICK DARKNESS a swaddlingband for it, And brake up for it my decreed PLACE, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?" Agape

His reply

Wow - you sure are good at coming up with alternate interpretations. You seem set in your ways.

Rom. 5:12 explains I Cor. 15:21. It is talking about death by sin. We have to lay the scriptures side by side to see the whole picture. I Cor. 15:22 says, "For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." It is contrasting those that are IN ADAM with those that are IN CHRIST. Why did Adam die? because of sin. Therefore, death by sin came by Adam.

I don't see the logic here. I look at the two scriptures and see that Adam brought death and sin. This is unarguable at this point as both views could be valid.

Why would it? It didn't wipe it out in Noah's day. There is a 1/2 inch iridium layer that was distributed worldwide. It could only come from an asteroid.

That's because there was no fossil record prior to the flood of Noah's day. Did you know that fossils are not formed over millions of years? The organism needs to be buried rapidly so that fossilization can occur. The theory that each layer of sediment is one year has been proven wrong. Scientists have done experiments in labs showing that in one day many layers of sediment can be laid down in a catastrophic flood condition. Look at Mt. St. Helens for one prime example.

The magnitude was much greater between Gen. 1:1 and 2 than at the time of Noah's Flood. I think the Moon material was blasted off of the Earth and the Pacific Basin dug. That caused a thick smoke band to spread around Earth.

You say you think the moon material was blasted off Earth... Hmmm, that is impossible when you read the Bible. According to the Bible, the moon wasn't created until day 4 - well after the gap that you say it was created. God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth, And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good. And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

Even the stars were created on day 4. How could there be stars during the gap? Did God blot everything out including stars and planets at this Divine Judgment of Satan? If he did blot things out, then why recreate the asteroid belt?

The Bible also only mentions one flood. Why wouldn't it mention this gap flood as well as the flood of Noah's day? 2 Peter 3:5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the world at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

After the Berkeley, CA, "Origin of the Earth" meeting sponsored by the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Dec...

I wouldn't trust something that Berkley puts out. Do they believe in God? I thought they were more interested in disproving the existence of God.

I think there was a terrific catastrophe when the Moon was shucked out of Earth. The magnetic poles flip flopped. Iridium, microtectites, shocked quartz, sanidine, stishovite (formed only by impact) and soot were deposited. Coal, petroleum and fossils were formed.

And I think the events you mentioned happened at the beginning of the flood of Noah's day. It just seems that the timing of your gap events do not line up with the Bible....

My reply

...I have studied deeply. I had to convince myself, you know. I found no way that your position could stand.

> > In Gen. 1:2, all the land was under water, "and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." By the 3rd day, "God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto ONE PLACE, and let the dry land appear."... > > How do you think the "ONE PLACE" for the waters was fashioned (asah)?

You didn't answer that question. Maybe Job 38:4-11 could help. It says, "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding...Or who shut up the SEA with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and THICK DARKNESS A SWADDLINGBAND FOR IT, AND BRAKE UP FOR IT MY DECREED PLACE, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed?" The same word (maqowm, place, space) was used in both Gen. 1:9 and Job 38:10. Doesn't that "THICK DARKNESS" remind you of Gen. 1:2: "and DARKNESS WAS UPON THE FACE OF THE DEEP." Doesn't "MY DECREED PLACE" remind you of Gen. 1:9: "let the waters under the heaven be gathered together into ONE PLACE"?

> > ...there was no fossil record prior to the flood of Noah's day.

Then why do we find trilobites in the fossil record? They are not present on Earth today. If there was no catastrophe before Noah's day, why do we find dinosaur bones buried in the Earth? Why do we find the sabre-toothed tiger bones in the Brea Tar pits? Neither dinosaurs nor sabre-toothed tigers were on Noah's Ark. Gen. 6:19 says, "And of EVERY LIVING THING OF ALL FLESH, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark...Gen. 7:8,9 says, "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark...as God had commanded...." Since ALL LIVING things of all flesh present in Noah's day were on the Ark, why were dinosaurs and sabre-toothed tigers not on the Ark? Did something wipe them out between Adam and Noah? What would it take to do that?

No fact in geologic history is so startling as the abrupt extermination of earth's inhabitants. There are cuttlefish that were overcome so quickly that they did not release their ink, bivalves that did not have time to close their shells, sharks that were obviously swimming at burial, fish that could not have been dead when closely packed in burial for they are curled with spread fins as if drawn up in horror. How did Noah's flood accomplish this death and burial of sea creatures?

Have you ever studied the fossil record left in ancient amber? There are extinct life forms preserved in it. How could they have gotten in there after Adam was put on Earth? or after Noah's flood...?

> > > There is a 1/2 inch iridium layer that was distributed worldwide. It could only come from an asteroid.

> > ...there was no fossil record prior to the flood of Noah's day. When did the worldwide iridium layer get put in the fossil record after Noah's flood? Why do we find extinct animal life in the fossil record?

> > in one day many layers of sediment can be laid down in a catastrophic flood condition.

I agree. The Grand Canyon could have been cut rapidly too if the waters were all rushing pell mell into the "PLACE" God made for the seas. The walls flanking the Colorado River are striated in the Grand Canyon. The walls were obviously formed before the catastrophic flooding. Those walls had to have existed in striated condition before the canyon was cut. How could that have all happened at Noah's flood?

> > According to the Bible, the moon wasn't created until day 4

The Bible doesn't say that the Moon was created on day 4. The word "bara," create, is only used for the creation in the beginning, for the creation of animal life, and for the creation of man. All the other times in Gen. 1, the word used is "asah," to make, to fashion from existing materials. The Sun, Moon, and stars were already there. All that had to take place was for the smoky atmosphere to be cleared enough so they could be seen.

> > Did God blot everything out including stars and planets at this Divine Judgment of Satan?...then why recreate the asteroid belt?

He blotted them from view by the thick dark smoky atmosphere. He did not have to recreate anything in the heavens. Job 38:9 says that he made "THICK DARKNESS A SWADDLINGBAND" for Earth. He did it when he "BRAKE UP FOR IT," the sea, his "DECREED PLACE" (Job 38:10).

> > The Bible also only mentions one flood. Why wouldn't it mention this gap flood as well as the flood of Noah's day?
> > 2 Peter 3:5 For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, through which the WORLD at that time was destroyed, being flooded with water.

The word translated "world" is "kosmos," orderly arrangement of things. The ancient kosmos was "destroyed" before Adam. Since Adam, this present kosmos has been in operation. It existed between Adam and Noah as well as between Noah and today. This kosmos began to operate on its own when God rested on the 7th day of refashioning Earth to make it a fit habitat for man. This kosmos is the one that man is operating in. It lasts at least 7000 years.

I think there was a terrific catastrophe when the Moon was shucked out of Earth. The magnetic poles flip flopped. Iridium, microtectites, shocked quartz, sanidine, stishovite (formed only by impact) and soot were deposited. Coal, petroleum and fossils were formed.

And I think the events you mentioned happened at the beginning of the flood of Noah's day.

Please explain how all those things COULD happen at the beginning of Noah's flood. If they had, there would have been an asteroid impact in Noah's day. That can't be. It would paint the wrong picture of the Pre-Trib Rapture that is as the days of Noah. Fire and brimstone fell in the days of Lot to depict the 2nd Rapture, but none fell in the days of Noah. Lu. 17:27 tells of the days of Noah: "They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all." Lu. 17:28 tells of the days of Lot: " the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all."

> > It just seems that the timing of your gap events do not line up with the Bible.

To me, they line up perfectly. Your hypothesis fails at several points. If you test it, you might see what I see. I stood where you are at one time. I read the Bible. I studied the geology of the Earth. Then I began to understand what Isa. 51:9,10 really was telling me. It says, " Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1); awake, AS IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) RAHAB (Satan's planet), and wounded the dragon (Satan)? Art thou not it which hath dried the sea."...

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