The reason I ask is that it was specifically addressed to the church at Smyrna and then only to some of them. We surely don't all fall into that category?
It's just that it seems to crop up in the mails you receive and I find it confusing. Regards
No, only to some. The reason it crops up is we would sure like to know where that 10 days applies. How can it be sure to only be 10 days? My thought is that Revelation is written as if the Rapture is 10 days away. It is said to be "at hand" in both the 1st and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with "Surely I come quickly."
Rev. 2:10 says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." It can't mean that the Rapture would be 10 days after the Tribulation starts. The Tribulation is "hereafter" the Rapture, which is in Rev. 4:1, before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6 to kick off the Tribulation.
Dan. 1:12 says, "Prove thy servants, I beseech thee, ten days." There could be a tie-in there.
Was going to write a bit more, something about "moed," feast or appointed time, but a big nearby thunderclap caused me to jump, say, "Thank you Lord that it didn't ruin my computer," hit Send and Shut Down, and unplug it for 1/2 hour or so. Got a quick passing rain that just did wet everything. Saw a big rainbow, cloud to cloud, didn't come to the ground, but it was complete to the edge of the clouds. I never saw a rainbow before at 7:05 PM. I couldn't even see the Sun. That caused Memory Erase. I'll probably think of it in the middle of the night. :-) Agape
On the eve of a last attempt by President Clinton to untangle the most vexing problem in the Middle East - the status of Jerusalem - one of Yasser Arafat's most trusted lieutenants said yesterday the Palestinians would be willing to make bold compromises on their claims to the holy city.
In a speech to the European parliament in Strasbourg, Ahmed Qureia said the Palestinians would support internationalising all of Jerusalem - including Arab East Jerusalem, occupied illegally by Israel since 1967 - should the two sides fail to reach a final settlement in the crucial weeks ahead.
"Unless we can reach an agreement on Jerusalem, I have to declare that both parts of Jerusalem east and west should be a unified international Jerusalem ... not just the capital of Israel or Palestine, but a capital of the world," said Mr Qureia, who is speaker of the Palestinian parliament....
Note: Arafat refused to budge and is going home Friday.
9-6-00 — A huge column of red water has been spewing from Spanish soil for almost six weeks, baffling geologists who have no explanation for the phenomenon.
The 100-foot-high gusher of reddish water, mixed with soil and carbon dioxide, is being shot from the parched soil of La Mancha in central Spain at the rate of 13 gallons per second.
The water burst forth on July 25, as olive growers in the city of Granatula de Calatrava were deepening an existing well....
Quote " It is also our belief that millions of Christians have been lulled into a false sense of security through what we see as a misunderstanding of the timing of the rapture of the church. For over a hundred years conservative Bible teachers have been telling us that the rapture will occur before the antichrist is revealed, and thus generating the belief is that Christians will escape all of the horrors of his reign. While we agree that we will be spared the actual tribulation period itself, there is no Bible teaching that assures us we will not have to endure his ascent to power. All that the Bible does tell us is that the tribulation period ("The day of the Lord") will not begin untill the apotasy and the revealing of the antichrist both take place (2 Thess2:3). The Greek word translated "revealed" in this verse means literally "to take the lid off" thereby revealing the contents. As we understand this concept, the "revealing" of the antichrist could be anything from the first incidense of his name appearing on the nightly news to his "confirming the covenant with Israel" (Dan.9:27).. which, by the way, will be the official start of the tribulation period. If his "revealing " coincides with the confirmation of the covenant, it will still meet the criteria of 2 Thess. 2:3 in that it preceeded the onset of the tribulation period. And if this is the case, his rise to power... regardless of the time covered... could very well be viewed and endured by Christians prior to the rapture. The teaching that the rapture will take place prior to the revealing of the antichrist is found in verses 7 and 8 of 2 Thess 2, where we read the following: " For the mystery of iniquity doeth already work: only he who now letteth will let untill he be taken out of the way. And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming"
Then he states, the "he who now letteth" (hinders) is believed to be the Holy Spirit and He will continue to hinder the plan and program of satan until the time is right and then "He" (the Holy Spirit) will be taken out of the way. Where the problem comes in is that the current prophecy experts insist that the Holy Spirits restraining influence will be removed at the rapture when His presence (within the hearts of Christians) will leave along with them, (Stop! Read our discussion on the error of standard Bible Prophecy teaching, Conformation of Major discrepancies In Standard Bible Prophecy Seminar Teachings: Discussion With Dr. Timothy Ice, http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1332.cfm ect. ect.
I do not know if you know of this site, but it is quite interesting and on the cutting edge if you will of fear mongering. He does have a valid point, but it seems kind of vague. They also go on to state that there could be a "Staged" rapture by the evil forces in this world to destroy our faith as Christians which sounds absurd, but could be possible with our " technologies that are almost magical" statement that President Clinton stated in his inaugurial address. And speaking of Clinton, I was wondering what your opinion is of the "rasier of taxes" in Dan 11:20 possibly being Clinton. From what I understand he is responsible for the largest tax hikes in the history of the US. Daniel 11:21 is an interesting verse also which some people think that the AC will actually take over the US or the UN OWG without election, during a major crisis in the world, which could come about as the result of the rapture. Your thoughts? Thank you very much you are truly doing Gods work on earth. Your brother in Jesus Christ
The millennial Day of the Lord does not begin until the Day of God's Wrath, which I think is the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14). Isa. 13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION from the Almighty."
The apostasy should be the departure, meaning the Rapture. The Greek "apostasia" means separation and departure, divorcement. It is translated "divorcement" in Mt. 5:31, Mt. 19:7, and Mk. 10:4. Why not in II Thess. 2:3? To me, it stands for the SEPARATION of the wise and foolish virgins and the departure of the wise virgins with the Bridegroom when he comes at the Pre-Trib Rapture.
> > and then "He" (the Holy Spirit) will be taken out of the way. Where the problem comes in is that the current prophecy experts insist that the Holy Spirits restraining influence will be removed at the rapture when His presence (within the hearts of Christians) will leave along with them
God is omnipresent. His Holy Spirit will not leave the world. However, when we, the salt, are removed, He will stop restraining the revealing of the False Prophet, when he and the Beast confirm the covenant at the beginning of the Tribulation. We are called the salt of the Earth because salt in breadmaking retards the growth of leaven. As long and there is enough salt on Earth, the growth of evil is restrained. After we are gone, there will not be enough salt left on Earth and the loaf will overproof quickly.
I think Dan. 11:20 was fulfilled in the OT days. V. 21 says, " in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." This hops to the Tribulation, when the False Prophet will "come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries." By peace, he shall destroy many. V. 23 mentions "the league made with him." I think v. 24 shows that he will be Jewish. It mentions that "he shall do that which HIS FATHERS have not done." Agape
> > Now according to Daniels Prophecy, three of the 10 horns are uprooted by the Little Horn, and for years we have been reporting that the three horns that get uprooted would be Syria, Iraq and Libya.
*** From Marilyn: I think the 3 horns that are to be plucked up by the roots will be 3 of the kings over the 10 regions this world has been divided into.
> > The day set for the gathering together unto Him is the same day that Jesus ascended into heaven. That comes straight out of Scripture, and if you believe like I do, that scripture is the inspired word of God, then that's truth you can't deny! Not only that, but there is strong evidence that there will be a warning sign given 40 days prior to it!
***I agree that the anniversary of Jesus' Ascension Day is a strong possibility for the Rapture, but what are your reasons for picking this day?
> > I know scripture says that the Laodiceans are blind, but it also says that half of them will hear the knock!
***Where? The Laodiceans are not all the 10 virgins, if this is what you have in mind. The "open door" is set before the Philadelphians.
> > when the saints that came out of the grave after Jesus rose went into the holy city they must have had a profound effect on the citizenry. Fifty days later, on Pentecost, 3,000 of them got in line to sign up for Christ - and most of them were probably the ones that were screaming for His blood just a few weeks before!
> > Will that be the case after the Dead in Christ rise on First Fruits, just 40 days prior to the Rapture?
***What Scripture tells you that Christ will wait in the air 40 days? Agape
In order for you to understand any of my reasoning you would first have to take my study.
Then I would be happy to engage you in discussions. The case that I build for my thesis is borne of sound scripture and personal observance over 20 years of time.
I don't like it when single sentences of my writing are taken out of the context of my work and questioned alone. The things that I write in my newsletter and updates are written for the most part to people who have been studying with me for a long time and thus are understood in the proper context. I know that is not always the case, as people come and go on lists, but for the most part, my students have been with me for several years, so they understand what I am saying.
Every question you ask in this letter are answered in full and in a comprehensive manner in my teaching, "The Prophecy of Daniel, The Book of Revelation, The Rapture of the Church and the Mideast Today".
I have that study posted at my Bible School site on the web, and I publish it in book format and as a 2 disk CD Rom set.
This study is a real roll up your sleeves and get out you Bible, Bible study takes about 20 hours to complete....
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Humbly, Your brother in Christ, Sal from CHN
Look at the column labeled "Epoch". That is the date in 'yyyymmdd' format that each potentially hazardous asteroid comes closest to the earth. Look how many occurances of 20000913 (September 13, 2000) there are. Far more than any other date.
Now I'm not suggesting that the earth is doomed on Sept. 13th, but it could be one more "signs in the heavens" pointing to that date as prophetically important. Any thoughts on this?
I also looked at the following URL. There are 11 PHA's to within 0.05 AU of the earth in 2000, all past now except Sept. 19. That one's distance from Earth is 0.04777 AU, less than half the distance from Earth to the Sun.
PHA Close Approaches To The Earth
The following table lists the predicted encounters by Potentially Hazardous Asteroids (PHAs) to within 0.05 AU of the earth. ---
Note: See diagram of inner solar system. It is a wonder we don't get hit more often than we do.
On Wednesday, she took her "holy war" to U.S. District Court, filing a lawsuit that accuses employer USF Logistics of religious discrimination. http://web.lexis-nexis.com/more/shrm/19213/6264351/6
As for me, I do not see how any other year is acceptable after reading the post below. I dont even think I could buy into that the jewish calander is off, because of the parable of the fig tree scripture. BUT, hey, if we are not taken up into the air to meet the lord this feast of trumpets, then we certainly have alot of hard studying and work to do to see where we were in error. I just dont see it though. Everything fits like a glove. Of course we will not know the exact day because of the sighting of the new moon in Jerusalem. Here is a link for determining the start of the feast of trumpets...http://www.ncinter.net/%7eejt/PForum/Trumpe.htm
Anyways, read on, and see if you get as excited as i do, and have a blessed holiday weekend, whats left of it. God Bless
You do know, that 33 years ago (Age of Christ) Jerusalem was recaptured in June. This is the 33rd year, add 7 years for the 7 year tribulation and you have your 40 year generation right there in the biblical scriptures....Numbers 14:34: After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even "forty days", each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even "forty years", and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Matthew 24:32-35: Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that suummer is night: (Jerusalem was recaptured in the Summer of 1967 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that "IT" is near, even at the doors. (This has a double meaning I believe, and that "IT" refers to the second coming, and "IT" refers to the Rapture as in Luke 21:13 Verily I say unto you, "This" generation shall not pass, till "all" these things be fulfilled. (All meaning everything, as in the end of the tribulation)
So, you take the year in which Jerusalem was captured in that of 1967, you add the 40 year generation to get to 2007, which would make all things fulfilled at Yom Kippur. Then we back track, since believers will not be on earth to endure Gods Wrath during the tribulation, and you take away the 7 years of that generation, and arrive at the year 2000 for the Rapture of the Church, exactly 33 years later(age of Christ) (if the jewish calander is correct) Will that last trumpet sound at the Festival of Trumpets this year, for this generation, that watched Israel reborn, and Jerusalm recpatured?
Only time will tell, as we are commaned to wait, watch, and pray always, that we may be counted worthly to escape Gods wrath that will be poured out on this earth during the tribulation period. Ephesians 3:3-5 tells also has some great scriptures also, that I believe tells us that the wise of this generation will "KNOW" the Revelation of the Mystery of the Church.. read on
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, 4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ) 5 Which in "Other" ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is "NOW" revealed unto his holy apostiles and prophets by the Spirit.
You can only get excited after reading scriptures like this. But I always now remind myself, that we have to go according to Gods timing, not mans. But I believe that God is not the master of confussion, and that he put these scriptures here for us to understand, as it clearly says in Ephesians 3. Always Looking Up
I can tell you haven't read my writings very much. I am surprised, for you email me regularly. I know about the Feasts. I also know the rules for constructing the Jewish Calendar from the first NYD when their calendar started. I used that information when studying the date of the birth of Christ. If you want to read about the Modern Parallels, and see some reasons why 5758 was definitely a marked year, go to: http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/parallels.html. If you want to read more about Pentecost, 5858, go to http://www.pe.net/~mjagee/pentecost1998.html.
> > You do know, that 33 years ago (Age of Christ) Jerusalem was recaptured in June. This is the 33rd year, add 7 years for the 7 year tribulation and you have your 40 year generation right there in the biblical scriptures
There is more. I think the millennial Day of the Lord will start on the Feast of Trumpets in 5768, Sept. 13, 2007. I think that is the Day of God's Wrath. Isa. 13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; it shall come as a DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY." Mal. 2:3 says, "your solemn FEASTS; and ONE SHALL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT." Joel 2:1,2 shows that this destruction is when the trumpet sounds. It also is when Gog's army attacks Jerusalem. It says, " Blow ye the TRUMPET in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations."
If you subtract the 7 bad years (the Tribulation) and the 7 good years, as when Joseph was in Egypt, you come to Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed. That is startling enough, but the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. Add the 7 good years and the 7 bad years to that and you come to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. To me, that smacks of something the Lord would do. The end of these 7 good years is Tishri 1, 5761 or Sept. 13, 2000, according to which calendar date you start from. I was hoping the Rapture would be before the end of September. However, since the Tribulation is shortened (Mt. 24:22), maybe this period is extended some.
I think the shortened Tribulation lasts 2300 days (Dan. 8:14). This includes the time the Jews can sacrifice and the time that they can't, because the False Prophet desecrates the temple Mid-Trib. There are exactly 2300 days, figured by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Weeks in 2001 to the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. The Feast of Weeks would be a perfect time for the 70th week of Daniel to begin. Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001) is when I think the Tribulation will begin. I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture before that.
In Rev. 17:14, the Pre-Trib Rapture has just taken place. Those "that ARE with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." Yet, at that time, the 10 kings that are crowned as the Tribulation begins in Rev. 13:1 "have received NO KINGDOM AS YET." Therefore, I think there will be a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.
If the Tribulation starts on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001, the Rapture should be between now and May 28, 2001. To leave a gap, the most likely possibilities seem to be the Eve of Trumpets, because Eve was taken out of the body of Adam on that day, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles, Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 15, 2000, anniversary of when Noah went into the Ark), Hanukkah, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Firstfruits, and the anniversary of Jesus' Ascension Day.
If Song of Sol. 2:10-14 is talking about the Rapture, we can rule out certain dates. It says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, Rise up, my love, my fair one, and come away. For, lo, the WINTER IS PAST, THE RAIN IS OVER AND GONE; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds ('of birds' is not in the Hebrew, and we sing the new song after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) is come, and the voice of the turtle (turtledove) is heard in our land (Apr. - Oct.); The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away. O my dove, that art in the clefts of the rock (i.e., in Christ), in the secret places of the stairs." The word "places" is not in the Hebrew. This is THE SECRET OF THE STAIRS," like Jacob's ladder that reached from Earth to Heaven.
Song of Sol. 2 sounds like the Rapture will be in the spring, after the latter rain of Nisan is over. To me, this makes Ascension Day a good possibility. The Bride group of the Body of Christ being born into a new world on the anniversary of the day the Head of the Body of Christ ascended sounds reasonable. It would still be before the Tribulation begins on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost. If Song of Sol. 2 can be stretched to include summer, because the vintage is in Elul and Tishri, the Eve of Trumpets might also be possible. If the upcoming fall feasts pass without the Rapture taking place, I would consider the following Ascension Day, Iyar 25, 5761 (May 18, 2001) a possibility.
However, if Song of Sol. does not apply to the Rapture, what are the possibilities? You mentioned Christ being 33 at the Crucifixion. Actually, I think he was 33 1/2 (Tishri 1 in BC 5 to Nisan 14 in 30 AD). The temple area was taken Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967). That + 33 years is Iyar 28, 5760 (June 2, 2000). Adding 6 months brings us to Cheshvan 28 (Nov. 26, 2000). From now to Nov. 26, we have a lot going on, the Eve of Trumpets, Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Tabernacles, Cheshvan 17 (when Noah entered the Ark), even Cheshvan 27 (when Noah exited the Ark).
> > ..."IT" refers to the second coming, and "IT" refers to the Rapture as in Luke 21:13)
I think "IT" in Mt. 24:33 stands for the Rapture, since "it is near, even at the DOORS." The wise Philadelphian virgins are the ones before whom is set "an OPEN DOOR" that no man can shut (Rev. 3:8). This door is the "DOOR" that opens in Heaven when the Lord Jesus Christ says in his trumpet voice, "COME UP HITHER" in Rev. 4;1. It is at that time, the FIRST TRUMP OF GOD, that the Bride of Christ is "caught up...to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:17). Lu. 21:31 indicates that this is when we are caught up to "the kingdom of God." Doors in Mt. 24:33 is plural, because there are 2 Raptures. The Pre-Wrath Rapture for the Tribulation saints is just before the Wrath of God is cast on Earth.
Mt. 24:33 says, "that it is NEAR, even at the doors." Lu. 21:33 says, "know ye that the kingdom of God is NIGH AT HAND." James tells us a bit more about the time when "the coming of the Lord draweth nigh" I figure he was talking to us. Rev. 1:3 and 22:10 is talking about when the Rapture is "AT HAND." James 5:7-9 says to us, "Be patient therefore, brethren (believers), unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early (Tishri) and latter rain (Nisan). Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth NIGH. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, THE JUDGE STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR."
If we eliminate the feasts of Tishri and Nisan, because they are the months of the former and latter rain, all we have left before Pentecost is Cheshvan 17 and 27, and Ascension Day. If we eliminate all the rainy months, Tishri 1 to Nisan 30, all we have left is Ascension Day, Fri, Iyar 25, May 18, 2001, ten days before I think the Tribulation begins on Sivan 6, 5761, May 28, 2001. It fits Song of Sol. 2:10-14. The rain is over and gone. The turtledoves have arrived in Israel. There are green figs, and the grapes give a good smell. I hope we are caught up to Heaven sooner, but if not, I will expect Song of Solomon's "Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away" on Ascension Day. How about you?
> > 1967, you add the 40 year generation to get to 2007, which would make all things fulfilled at Yom Kippur.
Why Yom Kippur? Agape
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