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I think Jesus was born on Tishri 1, BC 5, that the wise men came to see him when he was about 2 in BC 3, and that Herod died shortly after the lunar eclipse of Jan. 10, BC 1. I think Jesus died Nisan 13, the day of preparation, in 30 AD and was 33.5 years old. Agape
I've recently reconsidered that your original interpretation of this, as expounded in your "The End of the Age", book page 142 is indeed correct.
You stated: "These ten days could symbolically represent ten years. Days stand for years in Genesis 6:3: man's "days shall be an hundred and twenty years."
Also, in Ezekiel 4:6: "I have appointed thee each day for a year." ...It looks like some of the Church will have tribulation ten years. This message was to the church in Smyrna, which means bitterness. If a Christian does get left behind, he will weep with bitterness for he could have gone the first time. ...We must confess our sins to God, as in I John 1:9, so we can be counted clean and worthy to stand before him. Otherwise, we may have ten years of tribulation."
I've reconsidered this in light of a Bride great escape date of the Eve of September 14, 2000, (in our calendar Sept. 13th) fulfilling the Eve of the Feast of Trumpets which frees us from the moon-based darkness-based Babylonian-captivity based Sanhedrin calendar. Shalom!
Counting backward, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from the Feast of Trumpets on Sept. 13, 2007 places the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel on the appropriate Feast of Weeks, Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001). You can't do this in just any set of years. This is the only place it fits now within the 40 years since the Sign of the End of the Age, the Six-Day War, in 1967. The final year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are to be 7 Jewish months (Eze. 39:12) between Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, in 2007 and the following Nisan 1, when I expect Christ to return. The year 5768 is a Leap Year.
We are being shown what doesn't apply by a process of elimination. The calendar I have is the Jewish Talmudic Calendar. Tishri 1, 5761 is Sept. 30, 2000 on it. Agape
I am going to get to the punch line right up front. here it goes. Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. From this scripture and your previous conclusions we know that the pre-wrath rapture happens just like the days of Lot. Less than a day separated Lot's removal from destruction and judgment. God's people likewise will be removed less than a day before the wrath of God is poured out on the earth. Why not apply the same logic to the days of Noah. We know from your timeline that the Tribulation begins on May 28th, 2001. If the first rapture is as Noah's day simply count back 7 days from the start of the Tribulation ( the beginning of trial and judgment ) and you may have the date of the pre-trib rapture. This would be Noah's 7 day warning. The door was shut by God 7 days before judgment began and the rain fell. Maybe our escape is 7 days before the Tribulation begins as another door opens to receive the bride.
This would place the rapture very close to the Tribulation and only a very blind and naked christian would not recognize the sign of a one world organization, and an imminent peace treaty between Israel and her enemies about to be confirmed. If world government and religion are set to go but resisted by believers, evil could rise rapidly after the salt of the earth is removed. The world would simpy write us off as trouble makers and declare a new world order. I believe Jesus is giving the world every possible chance to find him before it is too late.
I think we should throw out the parable of the barren fig tree (Luke 13: 6-9) as a rapture sign. The fig tree is Israel and the Lord speaking in the third year probably also pertains only to Israel.
So if my thinking is correct we have a late spring rapture which fits the Song of Songs and it also fits that Heaven is a morning star in the spring of the year. In Christ's Service
You are thinking the way I thought once, that the Lord shut Noah in and then it was 7 days before the rain began. It is clearer in other versions than the KJV. Actually, Noah was warned 7 days before the door closed so he could load everything. Then, the very same day they went in the Ark at the end of that time, the Lord shut the door and the rain began.
Gen. 7:4,9-11 says, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights...There went in two and two unto Noah (rest) into the ark (i.e., in Christ), the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah. And it came to pass AFTER SEVEN DAYS, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month (Cheshvan 17, Nov. 15, in 2000), the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened."
If Song of Sol. 2:10-14 does not apply to the Rapture, we could construct a possible day like this. If 7 days represented these 7 good years, then AFTER that, on Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 15), the rain (symbol of the Spirit of Christ) could come and float those in Christ up to Heaven. The windows of heaven being opened suggests the door in Heaven being opened (Rev. 4:1). Noah's 600th year could represent the 6000th year. We could be off a little in figuring that.
> > So if my thinking is correct we have a late spring rapture which fits the Song of Songs and it also fits that Heaven is a morning star in the spring of the year.
The only way that would fit the 2nd month and the 17th day would be to extrapolate the Sacred Calendar backward from the Exodus to Noah's day. It might be. We extrapolate the Civil Calendar back to Adam's day. The Bible is consistent. Then we would have Iyar 17 (May 10, 2001). What if we got a 7-day warning that day, then the Rapture could happen the next day, on Ascension Day, May 18, 2001? I like it fitting the Song of Songs 2 and that Saturn is a morning star at that time of year. Rev. 2:28 says, "I will give him the morning star." Saturn is an evening star in November.
Ascension Day has a lot going for it because Christ is the Head of the Body of Christ, and he ascended that day. Another thing, that time of year is the wheat harvest. Cheshvan in November is not. Agape
Having never considered that it could come Mid-Trib, I tried to think what might lead you to that conclusion. I can't think of any verses that show it comes Mid-Trib. Maybe you can help me out there.
I think it comes on the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:14), which I consider the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord and the Day of God's Wrath. Here are some scriptures to show why I believe the way I do. All are the KJV unless otherwise noted. Emphasis is mine.
The first day of the millennial Day of the Lord can't come until after Elijah comes as one of God's two witnesses. Mal. 4:5 says, "I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD." Elijah comes at the beginning of the Tribulation and prophesies 1260 days.
The Jews start sacrificing as the Tribulation begins and stop when the Temple is desecrated Mid-Trib. Dan. 8:11-14 says of the False Prophet, "he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (1260-day first half of the Tribulation), and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot (the other 1040 days)? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days." I think the DREADFUL DAY is the 2300th day of the Tribulation.
The DREADFUL DAY can't come until after the wicked one, the False Prophet, is revealed. II Thess. 2:2-4 (NIV) says, "THE DAY OF THE LORD...Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion (apostasia, departure, i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture) occurs and the man of lawlessness (the False Prophet) is revealed, the man doomed to DESTRUCTION. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God." The False Prophet is revealed when he and the Beast confirm the covenant of Dan. 9:27 as the Tribulation begins. He desecrates the Temple Mid-Trib, on the first day of his reign in full power over the One World Government and the United Religions. His reign begins after the 1260-day reign of the Beast (Rev. 13:5) and the ministry of the two witnesses (Rev. 11:3).
The first day of the Day of the Lord is a day of destruction from the Lord. Like Solomon, the Lord will purge his kingdom right at the beginning. Isa. 13:6 says, "Howl ye; for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand; IT SHALL COME AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY." Joel 1:15 says, "ALAS FOR THE DAY! for the DAY OF THE LORD is at hand, and AS A DESTRUCTION FROM THE ALMIGHTY SHALL IT COME."
THE DAY OF DESTRUCTION on the first day of the Day of the Lord is THE DAY OF GOD'S WRATH. Job 21:30 says, "the wicked is reserved to THE DAY OF DESTRUCTION? they shall be brought forth to THE DAY OF WRATH." Psa. 110:5 says, "The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in THE DAY OF HIS WRATH." Zeph. 1:14-16 says, "THE DAY OF THE LORD: the mighty man shall cry there bitterly. THAT DAY IS A DAY OF WRATH, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness, A DAY OF THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers."
The Day of God's Wrath is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ, when the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. Rom. 2:5 says, "But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against THE DAY OF WRATH and revelation of the righteous JUDGMENT OF GOD."
The Day of God's Wrath begins after the sixth seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. Rev. 6:17 says, "For the great DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" They will not be able to stand because of the worldwide earthquake. Rev. 16:17-19 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of THE FIERCENESS OF HIS WRATH.
Eze. 38:18-20 says, "it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in THAT DAY (first day of the millennial Day of the Lord) there shall be a GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel (the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paneh, face, the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30, Rev. 6:14-17), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground."
This globe will be turned upside down by the two asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8,10 that impact Earth that day, the larger"aster" destroying Babylon on the Euphrates. Isa. 24:1 says, "the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."
Between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent are 7 Jewish months, I think from Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, to the following Nisan 1 in a Jewish Leap Year such as 5768. Eze. 39:12,13 says, "seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified (Christ's return in glory at the Second Advent), saith the Lord GOD."
The day of "thick darkness" (Joel 2:2) cannot be the day of the Second Advent. Zech. 14:5-7 says, "the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light."
I think all nations, the OWG army led by Gog, will attack Jerusalem Zech. 14:1-3 says, "the DAY OF THE LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle" (on Joshua/Jesus' Long Day.
I think the day of the Second Advent is Nisan 1. Eze. 29:17 gives us the day, "in the first month, in the first day of the month." Then v. 21 says, "In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (Logos, Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD." Agape
Why don't you direct him to Strong's Concordance to read for himself the meanings of apostasia - maybe that will get through, seeing it for himself. I had never looked it up until I read his mail so I thought I would check it out for myself and see exactly what is what - and you are right.
On another note, I am reading a book called "When Jesus Returns" by David Pawson. I don't agree with his standpoint but there are interesting points raised nonetheless. He suggests that at the Rapture (which he believes is pre-wrath) the Church will be gathered together in the sky above Jerusalem. Reason being that we can't be all over the place and still be in the presence of Jesus, who is coming in His physical body and thereby restricted to being in one place at one time. I know it's a trivial thought but interesting anyway. Agape
I agree that we will be with Christ when he comes to set his feet on the Mt. of Olives at the Second Advent. However, even the Pre-Wrath Rapture is 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13). Agape
1 Cor 15:52-54: In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1Thes 4:16-17: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Israel and the saved saints from the Tribulation will have bodies fashioned for earth. We will have access to the heavens and they will not. For the Church we await the Redemption of our bodies. To Israel they await the great resurrection that was promised to all Israel. We will enter into heaven, and Israel will enter into the Davidic Kingdom on earth.
Ezek 37:4-6: Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
We will be gathered before the Lord in HEAVEN. Israel will be gather to the Lord in Jerusalem on earth.
Ezek 37:12: Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Matt 24:31: And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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I hope those words are not carved in stone, in case you have to eat them. I can clearly see two Raptures in Scripture. There is a FIRST TRUMP, and there is a LAST TRUMP, just as Moses was to make 2 silver trumpets in Nu. 10:2-4.
1Thes 4:16-17 is talking about the 1st Rapture, the FIRST TRUMP. 1 Cor 15:52-54 is talking about the last Rapture, at the LAST TRUMP. The 1st group are those "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" in Rev. 5:9. They are in Heaven before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6. The 2nd group is "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" that arrive in Heaven after the 6th seal is broken (Rev. 6:12; 7:9,14). The latter group is said to be out of the "great tribulation." That is not said of the former group.
> > Israel and the saved saints from the Tribulation will have bodies fashioned for earth. We will have access to the heavens and they will not.
Then what will happen to Abel, Enoch, Noah, Sarah and Abraham? Will they be turned out of Heaven?
Heb. 11:13-16 says, "These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now THEY DESIRE A BETTER COUNTRY, that is, AN HEAVENLY: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."
> > We will enter into heaven, and Israel will enter into the Davidic Kingdom on earth.
I believe we have to make a distinction between the Israelites that will live in Heaven and the Israelites that will live on Earth. It sounds very much like they will have a choice. Many may, like Abraham, choose "A BETTER COUNTRY, that is, AN HEAVENLY."
> > Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mk. 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH to the uttermost part of HEAVEN." Those that are gathered to the "general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven" (Heb. 12:23) will be from 2 different planets. Those previously caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture are gathered from one end of Heaven to the other. At the same time, those Tribulation saints of Rev. 9:14 will be gathered from EARTH.
This gathering of ALL the heavenly Body of Christ to the "general assembly" takes place just before Christ is seated as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rev. 11:16-18 says, "And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art TO COME (the Second Advent is 7 mo. later, Eze. 39:12,13); because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Agape
However, your comment on Ephraim? I don't mean to be argumentative, sincerely, I just want to get the puzzle. The birth right of Israel was given to the sons of Joseph born in Egypt. (Gen.). Joseph brought the two sons to Israel, where Israel crossed his hands and gave the greater blessing to the younger, Ephraim. Therefore, the 12 tribes do not include Joseph, that was not a tribe. Therefore, the fact that Joseph is mention in Rev. would indicate to me that the logical recipient of that 144,000 would be the descendents of Joseph and Ephraim. I guess all this means that I think the Ephraim falls under Joseph, logically. However, if this is the case then why did God say Joseph instead of Ephraim? What is the purpose, other than confusion? For if Ephraim is left out and Manasseh is mentioned alone and separate, then when Joseph died, so died the promises, since there would be no heir if Ephraim is not included?
Does any of this make any sense? Thanks...
Gen. 48:20-22 says, "And he blessed them that day, saying, In thee shall Israel bless, saying, God make thee as Ephraim and as Manasseh: and he set Ephraim before Manasseh. And Israel said unto Joseph, Behold, I die: but God shall be with you, and bring you again unto the land of your fathers. Moreover I have given to thee ONE PORTION above thy brethren, which I took out of the hand of the Amorite with my sword and with my bow."
In Rev. 7, Joseph has "ONE PORTION" above his brothers. Both Joseph and Manasseh are listed.
Isa. 7:1-9 says, " Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind. Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field; And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal: Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall EPHRAIM be broken, THAT IT BE NOT A PEOPLE. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. IF YE WILL NOT BELIEVE, SURELY YE SHALL NOT BE ESTABLISHED." Agape
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