***From Marilyn: Thanks bunches.
(1) 1 Thess. 4:16-17 ( dead in Christ ) could this be more than just those in the grave? Look at Rom. 5:21 thru Rom. 6:11, we are dead and yet alive. Look at 1 Thess. 4:17 (we which remain shall be caught up ) the word remain implies a time between the dead and alive.
***The passage in Romans is very different than the one in I Thess. In Romans, it is talking about us symbolically being baptised into Jesus' death and raised up with him unto newness of life. Rom. 6:11 says, "Likewise RECKON ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord." It doesn't mean we are dead, but that we should reckon ourselves the same as dead to sin. Rom. 6:12 says, "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body."
***1 Thess. 4:15-17 is talking about the Rapture. The bodily-dead believers are already with Christ. At the Rapture, they will come with the Lord and get their resurrection bodies before we are raised up to join the Lord in the clouds. I can't see there being much time elapse between the 2 phases. Jesus would have to hang around there in the sky during that time. I don't think he will do that. He comes quickly. Read the verses carefully. It does not say that they are in the clouds before we are.
***Listen to the way Paul phrased it. He said, "we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep." We won't go up ahead of them. "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:" There is no mention of rising to the clouds yet. They are only rising from their graves with their new bodies. "THEN we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP TOGETHER WITH THEM in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." As they rise to the clouds, I think we will join them, all rising TOGETHER.
(2) Ezek. 39:9 (burn weapons 7 years) would not that imply 7 yrs of peace? If there was war thay would not burn the weapons but use them.
***Yes. I think it is the 1st 7 years of the Millennium. The trees need time to regrow before being ready for any to be harvested.
(3) Ezek. 38:18 (my fury shall come up in my face) this is only for Gogs army and land. would not this be the second seal and the wrath of God for the world not come until after the 7th trumpet Rev. 11:18 and followed by the 7 vials, Rev. 16:1 ?
(4) Ezek. 38:5-6 (Persia, Ethiopia, Libya Gomer and Togarmah) The one missing is Syria. This may mean that Damascus is distroyed befor the Gog invasion and may be the reason for the invasion. (Isaiah 17:1) That city has never been distroyed.
***The war of Eze. 38 is after the 6th and 7th seals are broken, the 6th on the last day of this Age, the 7th on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. This great army led by Gog is the united nations' army. Zech. 14:2 says, "I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle." This is covered in Eze. 38:6's, "and many people with thee."
***This attack is what brings the outpouring of God's Wrath. Eze. 38:18-20 says, " it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel (the mountain burning with fire, the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 impacts the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5; Eze. 25:16; Job 20.23; Amos 8:9; Psa. 91:6); So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground." This is the worldwide earthquake of Rev. 16:18. In Christ, Love
***I think the time of Jacob's Trouble is one day, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord, when the False Prophet is deposed ("his end," Dan. 11:45). Dan. 12:1 says, "And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION even to that same time: and AT THAT TIME THY PEOPLE SHALL BE DELIVERED, every one that shall be found written in the book." This is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
"Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty.
"Who coverest thyself with light as with a garment: who stretchest out the heavens like a curtain:
"Who layeth the beams of his chambers in the waters: who maketh the clouds his chariot: who walketh upon the wings of the wind:
***The planets are depicted on the curtain of the Tabernacle as cherubim. There are 10 widths of fabric making up the curtain. I think they stand, back to front, for Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Rahab (now the Asteroid Belt), Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. The one standing for Earth is the width that drapes over the back of the Tabernacle. Psa. 118:22 says, "The stone which the builders refused (Christ) is become the head stone of the corner" (i.e., of the Earth).
"Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" (Psalm
Note: an. 2:45says, "Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure."
II Cor. 1:4 says, "Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God."
***Rev. 17:10 ties in. It says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The scene is at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. In v.14, they that ARE with him (Christ) ARE called, and chosen, and faithful."
***The Mystery Religion of Babylon started at the Tower of Babel. Nimrod was the Pontifex Maximus. Then this religion and its Pontifex Maximus was continued through the kingdoms of gold, silver, brass, and iron. Therefore, I think the 5 kingdoms that have fallen are Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, and Rome. The one that is at the time of the Rapture is Ecclesiastical Rome headed up by the Pope. Each head of these kingdoms carried the title Pontifex Maximus, the "name of blasphemy" (Rev. 13:1).
Based upon your interpretation of scripture, do you believe that after the Pre-Tribulation Rapture takes place, the Tribulation period will start shortly and last 7 years? What section of your website can I read, besides reading Revelation as well, can I gain insight as to the events that will take place within the first 3 1/2 half years of the Tribulation period?
Also, as I indicated above, I noticed that you first thought the Rapture might take place on Pentecost 1998, then Pentecost 1999 and even Pentecost 2000. Obviously it has not happened yet. I know you are not a prophet, but is there any where on your website that you explain why you calculations were off? I am not doubting your message, overall it is very positive and tells us to prepare our selves for when the Lord does come, regardless of when that happens, which I do believe is quite soon from all of the signs in our society. I would just like to point some of my friends and familyto your site for clarification on scriptures and for confirmation that the time is at hand, but I know they may dismiss our beliefs if they see that your prior estimations were off. Are there any Pro&Cons where you clarify these issues.
Either way you are doing great work in leading people to Christ and to prepare them for his return. I am sure the Lord will bless your for this. Regards
> > Based upon your interpretation of scripture, do you believe that after the Pre-Tribulation Rapture takes place, the Tribulation period will start shortly and last 7 years?
Yes. The only exception is that the Tribulation is to be shortened (Mt. 24:22). I think it is shortened to the 2300 days of Dan. 8:14. That includes the time the Jews can sacrifice plus the time that they can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple Mid-Trib.
> > can I gain insight as to the events that will take place within the first 3 1/2 half years of the Tribulation period?
The Beast will ride forth on a white horse as a prince of peace. He is carrying a plain fabric bow, which shows that he is a man of the cloth, i.e., a religious leader. In the gospel in the stars, king Cepheus (Christ) is holding up both the sceptre (showing that he is King of kings) and The Ribbons (showing that he is Lord of lords). His foot is almost on the Pole Star Polaris (showing that he is the Most High).
The seals of Rev. 6 seem to be broken about one per year up to when the Tribulation is shortened. The 6th seal is broken on the last day of this age and the 7th broken the next day, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. It seems to be shortened 7.5 months, but only for the elect's sake. The unbelievers will still have some terrible things to endure during the rest of the 70th week of Daniel.
Under the 2nd seal, there is war. Under the 3rd seal, there is famine. When the 4th is broken, the Satan-possessed False Prophet comes to full power in Mid-Trib. The False Prophet is called "Death" and Satan is called "Hell."
The two witnesses of Rev. 11, Moses and Elijah, prophesy during the first half of the Tribulation and are killed when the False Prophet comes to full power Mid-Trib.
> > is there any where on your website that you explain why you calculations were off?
Not all in one place. 1998 was so well marked, if I was considering it again from the vantage point of 1968 as before, I would still think that 1998 would be it. But it wasn't. Read the Modern Parallels and you will see that it was the 480th year. What was so well marked that year if it wasn't the Rapture? Maybe the 4 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 started then. The Tribulation seems to start in the 483rd year and the Second Advent come in the 490th year. Those still look good. We are almost at the end of the 7 good years since the Oslo Accords were signed Sept. 13, 1993. I think the Tribulation will start on the Feast of Weeks next spring. We haven't long to wait for the Rapture of the Bride of Christ no matter how you figure it. Everything is falling into place for the beginning of the Tribulation not too far in the future.
> > I know they may dismiss our beliefs if they see that your prior estimations were off.
If they normally throw out the baby with the bathwater, they will throw out everything I say, and everything any other human ever says, prophets excepted. I am a human being, not a prophet, and am not perfect. Surely, they can see past that. Scientists are not perfect, either, they, like me, just keep studying and testing, throwing out the bad and hanging on to the good. I just study hard, test everything by Scripture, and do the best I can to sort everything out. I learn all the time. My thinking at any point along the way since I set up my web site is right there for anyone to read. I haven't hidden a thing. Agape
...You state that the pre-wrath rapture occurs BEFORE the 7 trumpets but in Revelations 9:4 it says "They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheards". If the locusts released in the 5th angels trumpet are instructed to only attack "non-believers" (those without God's seal) then that means that there ARE believers there at that time. But it is my understanding that you said that the prewrath rapture has already taken place. Can you clear up? Thanks! God Bless! Still looking up! Because of Him...
However, there is nothing keeping those left on Earth from accepting Christ. It will be too late to be part of the heavenly group, but not too late to live on into the Millennium on Earth. Those believers will be sealed.
I will make an offer - I will send this book to you so that you can read it. I did a poor job of reviewing it for you and it should have come from the source.
***I too think that the continents divided after Noah's flood (1656 AH), actually after Peleg was born in 1757 AH. Gen. 10:25 is clear: "Peleg; for in his days was the EARTH DIVIDED."
The land could also have been divided by the receding floodwaters that were dammed up within the continents. This water rushing down to the ocean raised the sea level thus effectively dividing the lands. In addition, the water melting from the polar ice caps that accumulated during the ice age after the flood also raised the sea levels. Now if the continents moved at that time, there would have been huge earthquakes all over causing mass destruction. If a continent moved a simple foot, there would be massive earthquakes, much less hundreds of miles.
***Trilobites are extinct today. If they were on Earth in Noah's day, it would seem that they would be present today.
Another lame argument. Dodo birds were also present in Noah's day, as were many others that have since gone extinct. Who says that they haven't gone extinct since the days of Noah? There is no catalog of animals that were on the ark.
***Adam was given dominion over dinosaurs? I find that hard to imagine. Gen. 1:28 says, "God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and SUBDUE IT: and HAVE DOMINION over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and OVER EVERY LIVING THING THAT MOVETH upon the earth.
Why couldn't he have dominion over the dinosaurs? It wasn't until after the flood that the fear of man was put in to the animals. Genesis 9:2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered. Before this, the animals (Dinosaurs) did not have a fear of man.
***What catastrophe wiped out the dinosaurs after the Flood?
Atmospheric change killed most of them, plus shorter lifespans kept them from getting big. How do you know there aren't any dinosaurs around today? That is an unprovable theory.
***The Hippo. It does not say the tail is as big as a cedar. Job 40:17 says, "He MOVETH his tail like a cedar." A cedar sways in the wind.
Wow - what a stretch. I was at the zoo yesterday and took special note of an elephants tail and a hippos tail. Neither one moves like a cedar. They move like twigs or small branches - not an entire tree. A Cedar tree is a big tree, signifying great strength - it definitely is not a bush.
***Dragon is the symbol of Satan. Rev. 12:9 says, "the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."
Right - but it is also the word used to describe big lizards prior to the invention of the word dinosaur, which means terrible lizard. Did you know that lizards don't stop growing? They continue to get bigger until the day they die, unlike most other life on this planet. So, if human lifespans were 10 times longer back then, I would imagine that animal lifespans were also. If a lizard lived ten times longer back then wouldn't it also be ten times as big?
***Because they are extinct. Some things seem to have become extinct in our time, but most that were on the Ark are still here.
(You were talking about things that got in the fossil record) So you are admitting that things have become extinct since the flood of Noah's day. How do you know that most of what was on the ark is still around? Can you show me a catalog of animals on the ark? Also - why can't the trilobite be one of those that became extinct? Please explain this apparent contradiction in your reasoning.
***Jer. 31:35 says, "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth THE SUN FOR LIGHT by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which DIVIDETH THE SEA when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name."
***Doesn't it sound like the Sun is how the light of Gen. 1:3 came to be? There was darkness upon the face of the deep in v. 2, then light in v. 3. Verse 14 says the lights in the firmament of heaven are "FOR DAYS." Then, wasn't the light of DAY 1 the light of the Sun?
No it doesn't. The sun wasn't made until day 4. Prior to this I believe that the light source was the very Throne of God, with God sitting in it. Genesis 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
***Isa. 42:5 (KJV) says, "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created (bara, create a new thing) the heavens, and stretched (expanded) them out (probably making Mars and Jupiter seem farther apart than the other planets); he that spread forth (raqa, to pound the earth, hammer, beat, expand by hammering) THE EARTH, AND THAT WHICH COMETH OUT OF IT (THE MOON?); he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein."
Probably making Mars and Jupiter seem farther apart than the other planets? Why only that part of the heavens? To this day scientists are seeing the universe is expanding (stretching). Fits right in with Scripture.
***Plants will not die if they have overcast thick enough to not see the heavenly bodies for several days. Otherwise, they would die in stormy weather.
True enough, that was a bad argument on my part. But in no way can you interpret the fourth day as when God cleared the smoke away. He made the sun, moon and stars on day 4, not cleared away smoke so that they could be seen. What was present to see them anyway?
Another thought on the plant argument - do new plants grow without the light of the sun?
***II Peter 3:5-7 says, "THIS THEY ARE WILLINGLY IGNORANT OF, that by the word of God THE HEAVENS WERE OF OLD, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the WORLD (KOSMOS) that THEN WAS (Gen. 1:1), being overflowed with water, PERISHED (apollumi, TO DESTROY FULLY, i.e., the old kosmos was fully destroyed): But the heavens and the earth, which are NOW (SINCE GEN. 1:2f), by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."
In my Bible it says: 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
The world that then was, being overflowed with water. There is only one global flood ever mentioned in the Bible. Why would Peter only mention this flood that is only present in the gap theory? Noah's flood was part of their history. So when a global flood is mentioned, it is only common sense to figure out that he had to be talking about the flood of Noah's day.
***There is proof. If I remember right, it was the ship, the Glomar Challenger, the one that has the little sub Alvin to take men down to look at the ocean floor, that dragged an instrument to measure magnetism back and forth in the Pacific. The charts produced show clearly that the magnetic poles flip-flopped periodically. Also, when fluid rock solidifies, it's iron particles record the present magnetic pole. The record in the rocks proves that the magnetic poles flip-flopped. This shows that Laytonville, CA limestone formations were formed about 17 degrees southern latitude. Just south of Laytonville, rock deposited at 18-25 degrees north latitude is found. Something drastic happened to bring the former that far north.
I just read that that study was skewed. It was actually showing a weakening and strengthening of the field, not a reversal. Yes, a global flood would also move rock all over the planet.
***If the impacting body was large enough to cause Noah's flood, it would have spewed a swaddlingband of smoke around the world as the globe rotated. We are not given a hint that this happened then.
It rained for forty days and nights. It will not be clear skies anywhere while this is happening. Noah was in the ark with the hatches closed so didn't see the sky, but I am sure it would be pretty dark and stormy looking. Rain doesn't just fall out of the sky - it comes from the clouds.
***Jer. 31:35 (KJV) says, "Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which DIVIDETH THE SEA when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name." This sounds like the dividing of the sea was back in the days when he ordained that the Sun, Moon and stars were to be "for seasons, and for days, and years" (Gen. 1:14).
I disagree - this only giving examples of God's power. Not a timeline of events.
***What if Satan had a physical body when he was on his planet Rahab?
Can you show me where in the Bible that it hints that Rahab was a planet? God Bless!
> > > ***I too think that the continents divided after Noah's flood (1656 AH), actually after Peleg was born in 1757 AH. Gen. 10:25 is clear: "Peleg; for in his days was the EARTH DIVIDED."
> > The land could also have been divided by the receding floodwaters that were dammed up within the continents. This water rushing down to the ocean raised the sea level thus effectively dividing the lands. In addition, the water melting from the polar ice caps that accumulated during the ice age after the flood also raised the sea levels. Now if the continents moved at that time, there would have been huge earthquakes all over causing mass destruction. If a continent moved a simple foot, there would be massive earthquakes, much less hundreds of miles.
### From Marilyn: The continents split apart at the Mid-Atlantic Ridge. I have the Wide World Atlas publ. by the Readers Digest. It has large maps of all the major ocean floors. The Mid-Ocean Ridge actually starts NNW of the North Pole and runs N of Greenland. By the time it comes down to the S tip of Greenland, it is called the Reykjanes Ridge. At the Gibbs Fracture Zone, which is E of the tip of Greenland, the rest of it is called the Mid-Atlantic Ridge until it curves around S of Africa and and heads for the Indian Ocean. There, it is called the Atlantic-Indian Ridge. In the Indian Ocean, there is the Southwest Indian Ridge, the Mid-Indian Ridge and the Southeast Indian Ridge, and still that isn't the end of it. The Southeast Indian Ridge curves under Australia then is called the Pacific-Antarctic Ridge. This curves up into the East Pacific Rise on the Pacific side of South America. This is the longest scar in the Earth by far. It was caused by the continents splitting apart. North America is still moving away from Europe about 17 millimeters a year.
### As you open "The Earth and Its Environment," by Hesse and McDonald, the first thing that greets you is the picture of the Atlantic Floor. Clearly labelled is the Mid Atlantic Ridge Rift Valley. This is an astonishing feature, demanding explanation.
> > > ***What catastrophe wiped out the dinosaurs after the Flood?
> > Atmospheric change killed most of them
### Why then do we find them in bone cemeteries with broken and shattered bones?
> > why can't the trilobite be one of those that became extinct? (after Noah's Flood)
### Because of where they are found in the fossil record.
> > The sun wasn't made until day 4. Prior to this I believe that the light source was the very Throne of God, with God sitting in it.
### Then for day one to have been the same length as day five, the "very Throne of God, with God sitting in it" would have had to be located where the Sun is located.
> > > ***II Peter 3:5-7 says, " THIS THEY ARE WILLINGLY IGNORANT OF, that by the word of God THE HEAVENS WERE OF OLD, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the WORLD (KOSMOS) that THEN WAS (Gen. 1:1), being overflowed with water, perished...
> > In my Bible it says: 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished
### But II Peter 3:5-7 was originally written in Greek, and the word he used was "kosmos," orderly arrangement of things. The kosmos that then was perished.
> > Why would Peter only mention this flood that is only present in the gap theory? Noah's flood was part of their history.
### Peter said, "THIS THEY ARE WILLINGLY IGNORANT OF." I don't think they were ignorant of Noah's Flood. The Scriptures are too clear on that to be missed.
> > Can you show me where in the Bible that it hints that Rahab was a planet?
### Psa. 89:9-11 says, "Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine." Agape
Following two days of deliberations, the Central Council of the Palestine Liberation Organization did not set a date for the declaration of an independent Palestinian state. Instead, the council authorized the PLO's Executive Committee and other bodies "to take the necessary steps to establish a Palestinian state and apply its sovereignty on the occupied Palestinian lands" and submit a report on the progress it has made before November 15 - the twelfth anniversary of a symbolic declaration of statehood-in-exile - when the council will convene again.
Palestinian leaders said the decision postpones an earlier plan to declare statehood on September 13, the day the last interim peace agreement with Israel was to expire, according to the Sharm e-Sheikh accord. 'We've had enough declarations of independence. What we need is the gradual implementation of our sovereignty... and there was a consensus to start doing so,' said Marwan Barghouteh, a senior Fatah leader from the West Bank.
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