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Posted 9-22-00

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Israel presses for UN role on Temple Mount, By Aluf Benn
Ha'aretz Diplomatic Correspondent

Israel is pushing an initiative to hand sovereignty on the Temple Mount to permanent members of the UN Security Council, in the latest effort to break through to a final status agreement with the Palestinians.

Among those involved are the governments of the United States and Egypt, who proposed the idea, French President Jacques Chirac, and UN Secretary General Kofi Annan....

The prime minister told Chirac that in any future arrangement the status quo over the holy sites would be preserved, and the Temple Mount would remain in the hands of the Jerusalem waqf.

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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 12:20 PM
The Holy Spirit brought your name to my mind when I asked him who I should contact to give the information that he gave me. I had been browsing web sites for information & came across a verse that said the Lord gave Noah 7 days notice of the flood, & I asked My Father when he would give us 7 days notice. He said He already has, it is the seven (7) year peace covenant. I explained to the Holy Spirit that the date had ended on the 13th of September, & the Holy Spirit immediately told me to check the dates. I looked up the Oslo Accord on a search & again the dates said the 13th of Sept. Again the Holy Spirit said check the dates. I search again & brought up the original documents & found that the letters between the two participants was actually signed on Sept 9, 1993 & ending on Sept 9, 2000, and in the body of the letter Israel has 21 days to confirm the agreement, which happens to fall on Sept 30, 2000, Rosh Hashonah. The Holy Spirit says this will be the RAPTURE.

I needed to get this out to more people than just my small email listing & the Holy Spirit gave me your name, because I have viewed your site a few times & have liked it.

The Holy Spirit also said that knowing the date will do you no good it you do not have a relationship with the Father thru Jesus Christ. He says He is coming back for a Bride that has made herself Holy - Without Sin.

Peace be with you thru Jesus Christ - He Returns
All Glory To His Name - Amen.

My reply

Thanks. This is actually easier to figure out on the Jewish Calendar. The Oslo Accords were signed on the US Whitehouse lawn on Sept. 13, 1993, but they were OFFICIALLY RATIFIED three days later in Israel, on TISHRI 1, 5754. Tishri 1, 5754 + 7 = Tishri 1, 5761, which is Sept. 30, 2000. This seems to be the last of the 7 good years.

I think Eve was "taken out of Man" (Gen. 2:23) near the beginning of Tishri 1, the day God rested. Adam is called "the son of God" in Lu. 3:38.

I Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven." Jesus Christ is the 2nd Adam, the greater Son of God. It would be appropriate for the Bride of Christ to be taken out of the Body of Christ on the anniversary of the day Eve was taken out of the body of Adam. The type is a good one.

Today is Sept. 23, seven days before Sept. 30. That seems appropriate. Noah was notified 7 days before he was shut into the Ark and the rain came. Christ will come as the rain. Hos. 6:3 says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." The former rain starts Tishri 1, the 1st month of the Civil Year. The latter rain starts Nisan 1, the 1st month of the Regnal and the Sacred Year, reminding us of the King of kings and the Lord of Lords.

Eze. 29:17,21 could apply to Christ coming on both of these dates. I think the First Advent was on Tishri 1 and that the Second Advent will be on Nisan 1. Verse 17 sets the date, "in the first day of the month." Then v. 21 says, "In that day will I cause the horn (king) of the house of Israel (Christ) to bud forth, and I will give thee the opening of the mouth (the Logos, the Word) in the midst of them; and they shall know that I am the LORD."

It seems possible for the Lord to come at the Rapture on Tishri 1. However, since I think Eve was taken out of the body of Adam on the Eve of Trumpets, it seems even more appropriate for the Bride of Christ to be taken out of the Body of Christ on the Eve of Trumpets. That day, Elul 29, is Friday, the same day Eve was taken out of Adam's side. Elul 29 is also the last day of the 7 good years, for the 7 bad years begin on Tishri 1.

Be ready, whenever it is. Agape

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Re: Fig Tree and the Third Year
There seems to be hidden evidence of the parable in Luke 13:6-9 as you have stated.

"Jesus only speaks in the 3rd year of the parable of the barren fig tree of Lu. 13:6-9. He only comes looking in the 1st and 2nd years. In the 3rd year, he says, "Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit on this fig tree" (Israel).

1998 Jesus comes to check on the Fig Tree and finds no fruit. 1999 is the second year, 2000 is the third year and THEN the Lord says cut it down, but the owner asks for ONE MORE YEAR, see. That one more year would put us right at the year 2001 for the scripture says, "Lord, Leave IT THIS YEAR ALSO,.." The ADDED gematria of the "LORD, LEAVE IT" seems to confirm that this scripture is actually referring to the year the tree is TO BE LEFT. This part of the scripture adds to.... 2000. The yearin which Israel is be left to bear fruit, one more year, until year 2001. Love

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It is hard to know exactly how to count the years. We could say that from Pentecost in 1998 to Pentecost in 1999 was year 1, from then to Pentecost in 2000 was year 2, and from then to Pentecost 2001 was year 3. Since I think the 70th week of Daniel/Tribulation will start on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001, it would thus seem fitting for us to be caught up in the 3rd year. This is the year that Jesus comes and speaks in the parable of the barren fig tree.

I have thought that the extra year fit between the Rapture and the Tribulation, but it could also fit between the confirmation of the peace covenant, when the Beast rides forth on a white horse, and the 2nd seal, when he rides forth on a red horse that signifies war (Rev. 6:3,4). Those first few seals seem to be broken about one each year, with the Satan-possessed False Prophet coming at the breaking of the 4th seal--at Mid-Trib. Agape

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From: Richard Whatley. Fri., 9-22-00
Re: A voice spoke Scripture to me
...In August, on MJ's site, I posted my description of a voice that spoke to me and said "Harvest Moon". The dictionary definition went by on September 13. The autumnal equinox was on September 21st. I have been looking and praying for a sign since the "Harvest Moon" voice. I got an answer at around 4:30 to 5:30 am on Thursday September 21st. One verse of Scripture was said clearly to me, Luke Chapter 9, verse 34. I will let the reader enjoy looking this up. Notice in Luke 9:28 the "about eight days mentioned" if we add eight to September 21st, we get "about" September 29th, which is Elul 29, the last day before Rosh Hashannah. I also accept that our LORD Jesus Christ was born in flesh on Tishri 1.

There is too much here to ignore. This is not the first time I have been given scripture consistent with what I was praying for. These are not unclean spirits of deception because such a spirit would twist scripture from the truth by reading a different wording to me. Also, even though I have been through the entire Gospel several times, I did NOT have Luke Chapter 9 in my thoughts. I went through Luke last about three months ago. I knew the transfiguration was in there, but not in that exact passage.

So what am I passing on to all my Spirit Filled Brothers and Sisters? Every time I have been given a sign or occurence, something has ALWAYS happened RIGHT ON TIME at the future date indicated. I know for sure that one of two things will happen in "about eight days", the Rapture, another sign from scripture, a voice, or a sign in the sky. I would like to commend Eric Casagrande for suggesting Rosh Hashannah for the Rapture a long time ago, Eric, you are the original suggestion. As you correctly state, there are many reasons to look for the LORD to come then.
Agape to all the Spirit Filled Believers

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> > I got an answer at around 4:30 to 5:30 am on Thursday September 21st. One verse of Scripture was said clearly to me, Luke Chapter 9, verse 34. I will let the reader enjoy looking this up. Notice in Luke 9:28 the "about eight days mentioned" if we add eight to September 21st, we get "about" September 29th, which is Elul 29, the last day before Rosh Hashannah.

It sounds neat when you read Lu. 9:34 and 35 together. It says, "there came a cloud, and overshadowed them: and they feared as they entered into the cloud. And there came a voice out of the cloud, saying, THIS IS MY BELOVED SON: hear him." We will hear him at the Rapture and meet him in the clouds.

Luke 9:28 mentions "about an eight days," but laying Mt. 17:1-8 and Mk. 9:2-8 alongside this, we see that "after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart (i.e., picturing John's being caught up to Heaven in Rev. 4:1)...And JESUS CAME and touched them, and said, ARISE, AND BE NOT AFRAID" (Mt. 17:1,7).

> > if we add eight to September 21st, we get "about" September 29th, which is Elul 29, the last day before Rosh Hashannah

I think Eve was taken up out of Adam's sleeping body on the Eve of Trumpets too. Stay ready.

As Ed and I just came in, I saw a dove's white wings flash. It lit on the 3rd house from ours, then as soon as I could see that it was solid white with a gray neck and head, it made a circling flight past where about 3 gray doves were resting on the roof across the street from us. Then, I lost it in a tree as it circled. That dove had more white on it than any I have ever seen myself. Agape

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From: Mark Copfer
"Born Again" at the rapture on the Feast of Trumpets? Made incorruptable!
The New Moon is "born again" at the Feast of Trumpets (rapture).

Believers are "born again" at baptism. [John 3:3] Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. [John 3:7] Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. [John 3:10] Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

I understand this phrase “art thou a master of Israel and knowest not these things" to mean that, Jesus believed a master of Israel should have known about being baptised by water and holy spirit and "being born again into incorruption" at the rapture to enter heaven, because of the symbolism of the new moon being born again at the Feast of Trumpets, and the open door/gates into inner court, or heaven.

[1 Corinthians 15:51] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [1 Corinthians 15:52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [1Pet 1:23] Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

As the moon represents believers; both are "born again" at the Feast of Trumpets. The moon reflects the light of the sun, as believers reflect the light of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Even the diameter of the moon reflects the diamater of the sun, when multiplied by 4. As believers reflect Jesus, when we have God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit living within us.

The diamater of the sun is 864,000 miles. The diameter of the moon is 2160 miles. Multiplied by 4, the diameter of the moon is 8640 miles. Containing the same 864 number. The 24 hours in a day, multiplied by 60 minutes and 60 seconds give us 8640 seconds in a day.

The number 4, in Hebrew, is dalet, and is the forth letter of the alphabet, and also means door. Today is year 6000. Jesus came 2000 years ago, on year 4000 since creation. The Lord Jesus Christ said he was the door.

[John 10:9] I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. We go through the open door (4, Jesus Christ) at the rapture, on the feast of trumpets, on the new moon. [Ezek 46:1] "Thus says the Lord GOD: The gate of the inner court that faces east shall be shut on the six working days; but on the sabbath day it shall be opened and on the day of the new moon it shall be opened. [Revelation 4:1] After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

The Lord Jesus Christ, like the sun, is the light of the world, and we reflect his light, like the moon.

[Mal 4:2] But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. [John 8:12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. [Mat 5:16] Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Certainly, at the rapture, the change to incorruptible is like being born again, made new. [1Cor 15:53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

The rapture in Rev. 12 is a rapture of a new born child. [Rev 12:4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born. [Rev 12:5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

That this is not only describing Jesus is evident in the fact that his bride, the Church also rules with a rod of iron: Christ rules, and we rule as his bride (also with a rod of iron), but the Lord Jesus Christ is the head. [Rev 2:26] He who conquers and who keeps my works until the end, I will give him power over the nations, [Rev 2:27] and he shall rule them with a rod of iron, as when earthen pots are broken in pieces, even as I myself have received power from my Father; [Rev 5:10] And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The resurrection is also described as rebirth, being reborn. [Col 1:18] And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Thus, when the moon is reborn, at the new moon, is a highly appropriate time for the rapture and resurrection. The Feast of Trumpets is the only Feast on a new moon.

More “birth” scriptures, having to do with the rapture &/or the tribulation “time of trouble”: Right after 1 Thess 4, which is one of two solid rapture passages: 1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

The tribulation is also known as the “time of Jacob’s trouble” Jeremiah 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

Next, in Isaiah, we see a “nation being born” before the labor pains of tribulation. This represents the rapture before the tribulation; being born, made new, incorruptable, at the rapture. Note the “man child” of Rev. 12. Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God.

From John 3, we see that Baptism is being born again, with water and Holy Spirit. 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Baptism (& being born again) is also a symbol of death and resurrection, which occurs at the rapture. Romans 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Finally, one of the most unusual raptures (harpazo) in the Bible is in Acts, at a baptism. Acts 8 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him. 39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away (harpazo) Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing. 40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.

Further, for the last four years, 1996-1999, at the Feast of Trumpets, Rev. 12 has been playing out in the stars, with the birth of the new moon right between the legs of the virgin, the constellation of Virgo.

Once again, this shows that the moon, which is representing the man-child, in Rev. 12, represents believers, who will be caught up to heaven in the pre tribulation rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. In Christ

My reply

> > Believers are "born again" at baptism

I believe that the thief on the cross that was saved was "born again." He was not baptized. Does 1Pet 1:23 mention water? It says, "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." In Mk. 1:8, John the baptist said, "I indeed have baptized you with water: but HE (Christ) SHALL BAPTIZE YOU WITH THE HOLY GHOST."

> > [Rev 12:5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. That this is not only describing Jesus is evident in the fact that his bride, the Church also rules with a rod of iron

This male child is in the neuter gender. It is caught up in the middle of the Tribulation. Christ was caught up in 30 AD. The Bride is caught up before the 1st seal is broken that kicks off the Tribulation. Therefore, I think this is God's 2 witnesses. Their 1260-day prophesying is over Mid-Trib. Why the neuter gender? If it was masculine, we would think it was Christ. If it was feminine, we would think it was the Bride of Christ. However, the 2 witnesses already have received their resurrection bodies. They are as the angels. Mk. 12:25 says, "For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven."

> > The tribulation is also known as the “time of Jacob’s trouble” Jeremiah 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? 7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

I think the “time of Jacob’s trouble” is one single day, "that day," the Day of God's Wrath. Dan. 12:1 says, "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book."

> > From John 3, we see that Baptism is being born again, with water and Holy Spirit. 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I think being born of water is physical birth. When a baby is born the water sac breaks. We must be born physically and be born of the Spirit to get into Heaven. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

> > Further, for the last four years, 1996-1999, at the Feast of Trumpets, Rev. 12 has been playing out in the stars, with the birth of the new moon right between the legs of the virgin, the constellation of Virgo. Once again, this shows that the moon, which is representing the man-child, in Rev. 12, represents believers, who will be caught up to heaven in the pre tribulation rapture on the Feast of Trumpets.

Who was the seed of the woman? Who was to be born of a virgin? The Church? or Christ? Christ is the head of the Body of Christ. He was born into this world in BC 5. The rest of the Body of Christ is to be born into the heavenly world later on, some before the Tribulation, some just before God's Wrath hits Earth. I think Christ was born on the Feast of Trumpets. I also think the Tribulation saints will be born into the heavenly world on the Feast of Trumpets. I am not sure that the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on the same feast, although it is possible. Let's consider it, but for the right reasons.

I think Eve was taken from Adam's side on the Eve of Trumpets, then God rested the next day, the feast day that began the civil calendar. That was when I think this cosmos began to operate on its own--day one, year one. After the 6 days of refashioning the Earth to make it a fit habitat for Adam, Gen. 2:1 says, "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." Since Christ is the 2nd Adam, Eve could be a type of the Rapture of the Bride of Christ. Agape

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I have become little interested in learning more about the Rapture. I have a question. Out of all that I have found out about it... it seems to me that the actual word "rapture" is not in the bible. Or maybe I have just not found it. Where did the word come from? Is it found in any scriptures? the Bible? anything?

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I take it that you are reading an English translation of the Bible and that you know that the original languages were Hebrew plus a smattering of Chaldean in the Old Testament and Greek in the New Testament. One would not ordinarily expect exactly the same word to be used in both Greek and English, though some are close; "en" is our "in." With most Hebrew and Greek words, there are several English words available to translators. They have to pick the word/words that they think express the intent of the original language.

Before an English translation was made, one was made in Latin. The Greek "harpazo," translated "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17, became "rapiemir" in the Latin translation I have. Our English equivalent is Rapture.

Thayer's Lexicon lists the Latin "rapio" as the equivalent of the Greek "harpazo." The English meanings given are to seize, carry off by force, to snatch out or away, to rescue from the danger of destruction and to catch away. It says that "harpazo" is "used of divine power transferring a person marvelously and swiftly from one place to another." In English, we refer to the transferring from Earth to Heaven as the Rapture, from the Latin "rapio."

Scripture explains itself. The real meaning of "harpazo" is made clear in II Cor. 12:2, where Paul was CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN. He said, "I knew a man in Christ (actually himself, but he didn't want people to think too highly of him for that reason) above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one CAUGHT UP (harpazo) to the third heaven." Therefore, we can rest assured that "harpazo" is correctly used in Scripture to indicate a person getting CAUGHT UP to the 3rd Heaven (Mars, Jupiter, SATURN).

HARPAZO indicates exactly the same thing taking place, getting CAUGHT UP TO THE THIRD HEAVEN, in I Thess. 4:16,17. It says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven (i.e., from the 3rd heaven) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God (1st trump): and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP (harpazo) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." This will be as Jesus promised in John 14:2-4. He said, "I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." Paul has shown us that we will be caught up to the third heaven to be with Christ. This agrees with Jesus' next words, "And whither I go ye know (to the 3rd heaven, Saturn, known to the ancients as well as to us), and the way ye know."

The translation of I Thess. 4:17's "harpazo" as "caught up" is true to the meaning of the Greek and is more readily understood than if the word Rapture had been used. Nevertheless, we use the word Rapture to mean getting caught up. It seems cumbersome to refer to the event as the catching up when one word can express it. It is the same for the word Trinity. It does not appear in the KJV, but the concept is there.

In Webster's, rapture is listed as from the Latin "raptus," and means "a state or experience of being carried away by overwhelming emotion." I think that fits the Rapture perfectly. We will be ecstatic as we are being carried away to Heaven by the power of the indwelling Spirit of Christ.

It is so important that we be full of the Spirit of Christ. That means that we should use I John 1:9 and confess all known sins since we accepted Christ so he can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Then the Holy Spirit will well up within us as a fountain of living water. We want to be able to say, "My cup runneth over."

Actually, there are two Raptures, two trumpet calls for a group of saints. The type is in Nu. 10:2. It says, "Make thee TWO TRUMPETS of silver; of a whole piece shalt thou make them: that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps." The first trump of God sounds in I Thess. 4:17. The "last trump" of God sounds in I Cor. 15:52. The first group called up to Heaven are there before the Tribulation begins (Rev. 5:9). The last group to be called up are the Tribulation saints at the "last trump." I call these the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The first group are in Heaven before the first seal is broken. The last group are in Heaven between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals, just before the wrath of God is poured out on Earth in the 7 trumpet judgments.

I think the 1st Rapture is for the Bride of Christ and the 2nd Rapture for the rest of the Body of Christ. The wise virgins that are ready, have extra oil of the Holy Spirit in their vessels, will go with the Bridegroom when he comes (Mt. 25:1f). Anyone who does not have enough oil is in danger of being "a castaway" (I Cor. 9:27) at the 1st Rapture. To the lukewarm Laodiceans, Jesus said, "I will spue thee out of my mouth." We need to be wearing white spiritual robes of righteousness. The Tribulation saints will learn their lesson. By the time they are raptured, they will have "washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). We can learn our lesson now and be part of the Bride, or we can learn our lesson the hard way, but we will learn. Joel 1:12 indicates that during the Tribulation "joy is withered away from the sons of men." That is not when we want to be here. That is when we want to be with Christ where he is. Agape

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