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Giant fountains of fast-moving, multimillion-degree gas in the outermost atmosphere of the Sun have revealed an important clue to a long-standing mystery -- the location of the heating mechanism that makes the corona 1,000 times hotter than the Sun's visible surface.

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"Scientists discovered an important clue while observing immense coils of hot, electrified gas, known as coronal loops. These fiery, arching fountains now appear in unprecedented detail with NASA's Transition Region and Coronal Explorer (TRACE) spacecraft....

"The new observations reveal the location of the unidentified energy source, showing that most of the heating occurs low in the corona, within about 10,000 miles from the Sun's visible surface. The gas fountains form arches, hundreds of thousands of miles high, capable of surrounding 30 Earths...."

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From: Joshua. Re: odd dream
Recently, I'd say on the morning of September 23rd, a Saturday, I had a disturbing dream, and I'm not even a Christian! Hope you'll listen and help me interpret this. I can't help but also notice the little seven day warning information, and the dream was seven days before September 30th!

I remember mainly flashes of a city made of glass. This was entirely real, and seemed as if it were on earth, for it was almost like a shopping center being remodeled. My friend and I were walking and examining this, apparently, and it was quite simply put: odd. Another flash, and I was at a sermon that was detailing the coming tribulation. Incredible detail here, for it was vivid and lifelike, and I actually thought all of this was happening!

The scene switches again, to a roadside scene in which hundreds of belongings were on the sidewalk, some were mine, some were from other people, and I distinctly remember guarding it. My grandmother's there with me, as well as about fifteen other people, all also guarding it, upon examination. All of a sudden, I look at two children riding their bikes across the street, and a line from the sermon, as if a flashback, comes to me: "Become a believer now, for you may die at any time in this cruel world." Without further warning, a car going at ninety drives down and the kids leap off their bikes as the car reduces them to near-nothing. The children, obviously shaken, sob like crazy.

This is when I wake up with a stomach giving me nervous pains and drenched in a cold sweat. I couldn't get back to sleep for an hour. I don't know what to make of this, honestly, since, as I said before, I'm an agnostic 15 year old, who studies mythology. Recently, I've been getting into biblical studies, and...well...I think you know where this leads. Help me out here.

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Myths are Satan's counterfeits, planned to confuse mankind. He sugar coats his pills to make us swallow them. Don't be fooled though. Your soul is at stake, and time is short. We are living in the end times.

Be thankful that you got this message, "Become a believer now, for you may die at any time in this cruel world." Many may not be so lucky to have such a clear warning.

Think about your intricate body, with its miles of electrical wiring, blood vessels and muscle fibers. It has its own built-in chemical factory and doctor. It knows how to heal itself. Think about its computer-like brain. There is no possible way that any part of our body got together by chance. You would not expect chance to produce a computer, so it is not at all likely that chance could produce a brain, much less one that is wired to a working body like ours. No amount of time would be enough to bring it about. It is totally outside the realm of possibility. Mutation tends toward chaos, not order.

Things are planned by a master mathematician, God. In Romans 1:20, his word says, "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse."

Mankind was created on Earth to be tested. Will he or won't he obey God. God gave us a manual so we would have a chance to pass our test. It is our fault if we don't read it. Start with the book of John. In John 20:31, he said, "these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

II Corinthians 5:19 tell us that "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." What Jesus said is what God said. We must pay attention. Our eternal destiny depends on it.

Jesus was born into this world as the literal Son of God for one purpose, to be the Saviour of mankind. Isa. 9:6 says, "For unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his virgin mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

Jesus died in our place. We deserve hell because we have sinned. However, if we believe in Him, we are saved. He has already paid the price, but the catch is, we have to believe in him and what he has done for us. If we do not, we are lost. It is that simple. It does not apply to us until we accept Him. We have to exercise our will and make a definite decision. God is the Sovereign of the Universe. What he says goes. We are not given the chance to say how we would like to be saved. He decided that before we were put on Earth. Then what do we have to do to be saved?

Rom. 10:9 says, "if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." It is that simple.

Acts 4:12 says, "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."

When we accept Christ as our own personal Saviour, he baptizes us with his Holy Spirit. This seals us until the day of redemption. All our old sins are forgiven, wiped off the books. We get a fresh start.

A young man named Christopher wrote me from Sweden. He said, "i know that i am already damned and accept it." I wrote him back and quoted Scriptures to help him understand. I said, "Please don't be stubborn. Too much is at risk. You don't have to accept it. While there is life, there is hope. It is easy to be saved. Just accept Jesus Christ as your own personal Saviour. John 3:16 is clear. It says, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I also quoted Rom. 10:9, as above.

He wrote me back and said, "After reading your reply i must admit i was a litte confused, so i read it again and it all seemed to make sense.I accept Jesus and God, as i am writing this a strange feeling of happiness or something is coming over me, cold yet warm, nice.I want to laugh but somehow i also want to cry. I thank you as much as i can for taking the time to write down the passages and answering my letter and if you ever come to Sweden you are more than welcome to visit me...
Ps what a wonderful feeling i am feeling right now."

Do you know what was happening to him? Christ was baptizing him with the Spirit of God, even as he typed. He was being sealed as one born again into God's family. Christopher is now an adopted son of God, saved for all eternity. You can be too.

Please write me and tell me of your decision. Nothing on Earth is so important as this. Will you accept Christ as your own personal Saviour? There may be a very good reason that you got the message, "Become a believer now, for you may die at any time in this cruel world." Please don't delay. Too much is at stake. BTW, Jesus from the Hebrew is Joshua. In the abundant love of Christ

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It's me, again, Joshua -----. You asked me to inform you of my decision, and, unfortunately, I must tell you that I haven't come to one yet, but, first, let me tell you things about the happenings lately.

About a year ago, I would never have believed. Why, you may ask? Too little proof, I would always say, and go back to a normal life. Recently, I began deeply studying mythology, as I said a while ago, and before that, what majorly turned me to being agnostic instead of an atheist; a couple that my mother knows...

However, I dismissed it later, and started planning for what should've been my future: writing. I loved stories, and that attracted me to the mythology, and eventually, the "Left Behind" series, which got me hooked on the biblical subject. There was more than I thought, and it was entirely interesting to me.

Even more recently, I've been reading your page for the past month, and I have an older copy of the bible myself, that was inherited from my great grandparents. I've been studying, and know more than an agnostic probably would under normal circumstances. I know how to be saved, I actually believe the tribulation's coming, I have an accurate timeline of it, and events that're out of my control seem to be falling into place for the end times to begin.

However, there's quite an odd obstruction in my path.

I want to stay.

I want to help those left behind, if the tribulation does come. Of course, there're doubts in my mind, but I've been having dreams of it, and I've had a new one tonight, vivid as ever, of the rapture taking place, many other clues. Signs, if you will. I'll end up seeing a sign in something simple, like a TV newscast. It's quite odd, and the dreams've been overwhelming. The local station, PAX, had the paranormal show on, and the burial shroud of Jesus had far too much proof to be ignored.

All I know is events are culminating at a peak, and if it doesn't happen soon...well, then,
it will, won't it?

My reply

Yes. It will happen. All God's prophecies come true 100%. They all have come true 100% in the past, so you can rest assured that they will all come true 100% in the future. People who thought Israel would never be a modern nation got fooled. It totally flew in the face of reason, but it happened right on schedule.

I appreciate your writing back, also for being honest about the obstruction in your path--you want to stay. I'm sure you can stay, if that is what you want, but do you have any idea of what you as a non-believer are facing if you stay?

All that is building up to the peak will break loose on one day. So much will happen on that day, both in Heaven and on Earth, that it will probably be Joshua/Jesus' Long Day.

Before we think of what will take place on Earth, let's take a quick peek at what will be taking place at the same time in Heaven. In Rev. 11:17,18, Christ has just been crowned King of kings and Lord of Lords in Heaven. Before him are gathered all his saints (believers). He is ready to sit as judge at the Judgment Seat of Christ. We are told that "the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, Saying, We give thee thanks, O LORD God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and THY WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

At the same time that the saints are to receive their rewards for their belief in Heaven, the unbelievers on Earth are to receive their rewards for their unbelief. Then "shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be" (Mt. 24:21). That means that it is worse than when the atomic bomb was dropped on Japan. Days such as this are not in our knowledge of history since Adam.

The "nations were angry." The united nation's army led by Gog, will attack Israel, thinking to wipe her off the map. Ezekiel 38:8 says, "IN THE LATTER YEARS (i.e., our days) thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations."

Eze. 38:15-20 says, "a mighty army ('all nations,' Zech. 14:2): And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be IN THE LATTER DAYS, and I will bring thee against my land, THAT THE HEATHEN MAY KNOW ME, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes. Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them? And it shall come to pass AT THE SAME TIME WHEN GOG SHALL COME AGAINST THE LAND OF ISRAEL, saith the Lord GOD, that MY FURY SHALL COME UP IN MY FACE. For in my jealousy and in the fire of MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a great shaking in the land of Israel; So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE at my presence (paneh, face, the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

At this time, the Sun, Moon and Stars will be darkened by smoke from the incoming hail of rocks, even many small ones knocked loose when the binary asteroid breaks apart at the Roche Limit, about 11,000 miles out. Rev. 6:14-17 describes the scene you will see. "And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face (the Sign of the Son of Man) of him that sitteth on the throne, and from THE WRATH of the Lamb: For the great day of HIS WRATH is come; and who shall be able to stand?"

This is the worldwide earthquake caused by the impact of two pieces of what is probably a binary asteroid. The "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea (the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:4,5) (Rev. 8:8). This is why the fish shake as well as all men on Earth. Every wall will fall. Civilization as we know it will be destroyed.

Rev. 16:17-20 says, "And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of HIS WRATH. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

At the same time, noon, that the great mountain burning with fire impacts the Mediterranean Sea, "there fell a great star (aster, star, meteorite or asteroid) from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:10). This asteroid impact will utterly destroy Babylon on the Euphrates River. No man will ever walk there again.

Terrible devastation will be widespread. Egypt will be so badly hurt that no one will live there for 40 years. Eze. 29:10-12 says, " I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate, and her cities among the cities that are laid waste shall be desolate forty years."

This globe will be turned upside down. Can you imagine what will happen to the seas? the size of the tsunamis? Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." The king of terrors, utter devastation, you included.

In Jer. 30:5-7, the Lord says, "wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that NONE IS LIKE IT: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it."

Choose you this day where you would rather be, with believers in Heaven, a better place, or with the unbelievers on Earth. I think that day will be Sept. 13, 2007.

I'd appreciate it if you will write back and let me know how you feel. Agape

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Re: "The Science of God," by Dr. Gerald Schroeder:
I posted a review of it on P & C 601. I don't agree with his conclusion, but I think it is well worth reading.

Re: Mid Atlantic Ridge Rift Valley:
> > I am not refuting that. I believe that happened just prior to the flood of Noah's day. But the days of Peleg is when the land was separated because of the rising waters from the melting ice from all the glaciers.
> > If you go to and click on the link on the left entitled 'Hydroplate', you will see an excellent theory for all these ridges and such in the ocean, as well as how the continents moved rapidly. Here's the link that goes directly to the Hydroplates section:

Here is the main part of their theory. What is there about it that would make you believe it? There is no data to back it up. I have to agree with them when they say, "All of this, however, is speculation."
Subterranean Water. Before the 21 features (listed earlier) were formed, the earth had a large amount of salty, subterranean water--about half of what is now in the oceans. This subterranean water was contained in interconnected chambers that collectively formed a thin, spherical shell. It averaged about of a mile in thickness and was located 10 miles below the earth's surface. Increasing Pressure. The final assumption of the hydroplate theory is that the pressure in the layer of subterranean water was increasing. Many things could have caused this. For example, a very slight increase in the mantle's temperature, due to radioactive decay, would expand the mantle. This, in turn, would increase the pressure in the subterranean water. Another possibility is that an asteroid struck the earth and suddenly pressurized the subterranean water. All of this, however, is speculation. Simply labelling the increase in pressure as a starting assumption is probably best. All theories of past events have some assumptions or initial conditions. Usually they are hidden.

No attempt will be made to determine what caused these initial conditions....

It appears that all 21 features described earlier, such as major mountain ranges or the Grand Canyon, are consequences of these three basic assumptions. The chain of events that flow naturally from these starting conditions will now be described as an observer might relate them. For clarity, the events are divided into four phases.

The Hydroplate Theory: Events
Rupture Phase. The increasing pressure in the subterranean water stretched the overlying crust, just as a balloon stretches when the pressure inside increases. Eventually, this shell of rock reached its failure point. 22 Failure began with a microscopic crack. Stress concentrations at both ends of the crack resulted in its rapid propagation at about 2 miles per second, nearly the velocity of sound in rock. 23 The crack followed the path of least resistance, generally along a great-circle path. The ends of the crack traveled in opposite directions, circling the earth in several hours. 24 The initial stresses were largely relieved when one end of the crack ran into the path left by the other end. In other words, the path traveled by this crack intersected itself (or formed a "T" or "Y") somewhere on the opposite side of the earth from where the rupture began.

As the crack raced around the earth, the ten-mile-thick "roof" of overlying rock opened like a rip in a tightly stretched cloth. The pressure in the subterranean chamber immediately beneath the rupture suddenly dropped to almost atmospheric pressure. Water exploded with great violence out of the ten-mile-deep "slit," which wrapped around the earth like the seam of a baseball.

All along this globe-circling rupture, a fountain of water jetted supersonically into and above the atmosphere. The water fragmented into an "ocean" of droplets that fell to the earth great distances away. This produced torrential rains such as the earth has never experienced--before or after. Some jetting water rose above the atmosphere where the droplets froze. (See note 127.) Huge masses of extremely cold, muddy "hail" fell at certain locations where it buried, suffocated, and froze many animals, including some mammoths.

Flood Phase. The extreme force of the 46,000-mile-long sheet of upward jetting water rapidly eroded both sides of the crack. Eroded particles (or sediments) were swept up in the waters that gushed out from the rupture, giving the water a thick, muddy consistency. These sediments settled out over the earth's surface in days, trapping and burying many plants and animals, beginning the process of forming most of the world's fossils.

The rising flood waters eventually blanketed the water jetting from the rupture, although water still surged out of the rupture. Global flooding occurred over the earth's relatively smooth topography, since today's major mountains had not yet formed.

The temperature of the escaping subterranean waters increased by about 100F as they were forced from the high pressure chamber. (See Energy in Subterranean Water .) The hot water, being less dense, rose to the surface of the flood waters. There, high evaporation occurred, increasing the salt content of the remaining water. When it became supersaturated, salts precipitated into thick, pasty layers. Later, the pasty (low density) salt was blanketed by denser sediments. This created an unstable arrangement, much like having a layer of light oil beneath a denser layer of water. A slight jiggle will cause a plume of the lighter layer below to flow up through the denser layer above. In the case of salt, that plume is called a salt dome.

The pressure of the water decreased as it rose out of the subterranean chamber. Since high pressure liquids hold more dissolved gases than low pressure liquids, gases bubbled out of the escaping waters. This process occurs when a pressurized can of carbonated beverage is opened, quickly releasing bubbles of dissolved carbon dioxide. From the subterranean waters, the most significant gas that came out of solution was carbon dioxide. About 35% of the sediments were eroded from the basalt below the escaping water. 25 Up to 6% of basalt is calcium by weight. Calcium ions in the escaping water, along with dissolved carbon dioxide gas (carbonic acid), caused vast sheets of limestone (CaCO 3 ) to precipitate as the pressure dropped.

Re: Atmospheric change killed most of the dinosaurs after the Flood:

> > I'm sorry - I said that wrong. The flood itself killed most of them, but then the ones that were on the ark survived for awhile so that Job could see them, but the climatic changes as well as human population have helped to kill them off. There are reports of dinosaurs still alive in the Congo over in Africa. The evolutionist just says that they have survived for 70 million years...

Climatic changes and human population aren't sufficient to explain the bone cemeteries with broken and shattered bones of many different animals, predators and their prey, all jumbled together. I'm not an evolutionist, far from it. God is the creator, but I think the Bible shows us that there is a gap between Gen. 1 and 2.

> > And what about that fossil of a human footprint that has squished a trilobite?

I don't know. I haven't heard of that one. Give me the details of the find.

Re: the "very Throne of God, with God sitting in it" being located where the Sun is located:
> > Yep - that must be where it was. This shows that the sun was created later.

What happened on day 4? Were there then two sources of light, God's throne and the Sun?

Re: The kosmos that then was perished:
> > Ok - the kosmos before the flood of Noah's day. What's the point?

The point is that the kosmos that was being described was before Adam's day. II Peter 3:3-7 says, "there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. For this THEY WILLINGLY ARE IGNORANT OF, that by the word of God the HEAVENS were of OLD, and the EARTH standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world (kosmos) that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the HEAVENS and the EARTH, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men."

In the kosmos before Adam, the land stood "out of the water and in the water." Then a catastrophe happened that destroyed life and drowned the land in the water. By Gen. 1:2, all the land was under water. The 6 days of Gen. 1 were necessary to restore the Earth, to make it a fit habitat for Adam. The dry land did not even appear until the 3rd day, when the waters ran into "one place" (i.e., the Pacific Basin). Plant life had to be restored. Animal life had to be restored. Even the birds had to be restored.

I think the Moon material was scooped from the Pacific Basin to make the place for the seas. I am not alone in this belief. The Aug. 2000 Discover Magazine has an article, "As the Moon Turns," by Bob Berman. On p. 40, he said, "The moon's battered surface is covered with a soil of talcum-powder softness. The silicon-oxygen mix of the rocks below closely matches the composition of the Earth's crust and mantle--so closely that scientists now believe the moon must have once been a piece of our own planet, blown into space by a spectacular collision between Earth and a Mars-sized body." A catastrophe of this dimension would require the 6 days of creation of Gen. 1 to restore the Earth and to put life back on it.

In Noah's day, plants did not have to be restored. The dove brought Noah an olive leaf. When the animals exited the Ark, there was food for them on Earth. Otherwise, they would have gobbled each other up. They didn't. They lived and raised offspring. It is obvious to the sincere seeker that the damage to Earth in Noah's day was far less violent than what ended the kosmos before Adam.

Re: Leviathan:
He is symbolic of Satan. "Upon earth there is NOT his like." He "is made without fear. He beholdeth all HIGH things (i.e., heavenly): he is a king over ALL THE CHILDREN OF PRIDE." In II Cor. 4:4, he is "the god of this world (that) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." Agape

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