Pro and Con 634

Posted 11-13-00

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11-12-00. London Telegraph: "Palestinians declared a 'state of war' with Israel yesterday, a day after one of the leaders of their uprising was killed by rockets fired from a helicopter gunship. Ehud Barak: 'We will hit those who hit us' Israel was braced for retaliation....

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Our Sun. Press-Enterprise said because of the hijacked airliner that landed in Israel, Barak returned home and did not come to USA to meet with Clinton as planned.

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RE: Will we be here till spring? maybe.
This person could be right PC 596 (RE: Will we be here till spring? maybe.) There are clear signs that the moment of the rapture and the beginning of the tribulation is near, but is it imminent?

You have allways spoken for a spring rapture ( usually Pentecost ). It has allways bothered me that a vast majority of "Christians" have never heard of rapture. If there is many months time the messge (warning) could be passed to these "ignorant" people. Also I think that there will be more evident signs in Sun, Moon and Stars. And most likely there will be strong warning - after all Lord is merciful.

Many eyes will probably be opened when the plans to make OWG and UR will be published more crearly. I watched the media during the "medicin mens meeting" and the UN Millennium meeting - the previous one was allmost ignored, the latter one was reported in quite diffent tone than what one hears from this site. But nowhere did they openly declare that they are preparing a OWG. But maybe they will grow bolder and speak out before rapture.

My reply

If we get past Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 15, 2000), when Noah went into the Ark, I think we will wait till spring, maybe Ascension Day, the 40th day after Resurrection Day. I expect the Tribulation to start on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost. It seems that we would be out of here before that.

I was surprised that the One Worlders came out in the open as much as they did. These things have been controlled in secret so long, I thought we would be gone before it all came out in the open. I wonder if the things that did come out were sort of trial balloons to see how their ideas would be received. As long as we are here, the Holy Spirit in us is standing in their way. They will be glad when we are gone.

It is up to each person to read the Bible. I Thess. 4:13-18 describes the Rapture. This group is seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9. It isn't the Lord's fault if people don't read it. The information is there for them. This life is a test, and we need to read the book to pass the test.

I don't know if we will have more signs or not. I am sure watching in case anything turns up. Agape

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Re: calender
I was raised in a charismatic christain envirenment, praise God, but really have had trouble understanding what I was listening too. Church always seemed very boring to me. never seemed to get much out of it.

However, my wonderful father, started seeking the truth about the end times, and prophecy clear back in the mid 70's. with many people back then, being clueless, even the church, scoffed at my father's study, thus discouraging my fathers position as a youth leader preaching prophecy. Now. years later, after I have backslided, between Jack Van Impe, my father, and now you, (to which I just discovered on the internet today...) my faith is starting to come back. I love Jesus, and know he is my saviour,

I believe in the pre-trib rapture, and know it is very near. (your dates and times about everything you know are related to what calender? Can you E-mail this calender)? (example, Sivan 6, 5761) Praise God your teachings have me intrigued, and kept me glued to the internet. you have scripture after scripture to back up everything you say, you are God's child, and tool, you have helped put me back on the right path, in the most crucial times in history! Please pray for my family (Claudia, Michael, Thomas, David, and me, Mark Anderson) so they may also have understanding, and open thier eyes also. I am looking forward to meeting you someday, as you are truely a blessing to everyone. This is the most in depth end time preachings I have ever heard! You obviously have done your homework and will be held high in heaven!

Please pray for me also, to become a tool for Christ in the "LAST SECOND, OF THE LAST MINUTE, OF THE LAST HOUR". THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad to be a help to you. I have studied the Bible as deep as I can go for 40 years. There is so much there, I don't think any one person can ever dig it all out in one lifetime, but I do try hard.

> > I love Jesus, and know he is my saviour

I am so glad. We were put on this Earth to make a decision for or against Christ. You have passed that test. You have Salvation and eternal life.

There is one more thing you may need to know. When we first accept Christ, all our "old sins" (II Pet. 1:9) are wiped off the books. From that time on, we need to let Christ wash our feet. We need to use I Jn. 1:9, confess all known sins since we accepted Christ to bring them all under the blood of Christ. Then we are as wise virgins waiting for our Bridegroom to come take us to HIS PLACE, Heaven. The Rapture is the prize Paul was working for. We can't work for Salvation. It is a free gift. But, we can work to win the prize of the Pre-Trib Rapture and rewards that will be handed out at the Judgment Seat of Christ

> > related to what calender?

The Jewish Talmudic calendar. Sivan 6, 5761 is our May 28, 2001. I don't have it on my computer so I could email it to you. I think Bob Wadsworth has a program on his computer. Here is his email address and Web page URL: starguy @ e-z.net http://www.atlbible.org/astronomy/astronomy.htm

I have prayed for you and your family. May God bless you all richly. Agape

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Marilyn, I know what you mean. I do believe however that the United States of America is Mystery Babylon. There are more Jews living in Babylon New York than the entire country of Israel. I believe New York will be completely Destroyed. Yes, I believe that the USA IS Mystery Babylon, not Vatican City. In Christ

My reply

In Rev. 17:1, the harlot Babylonian Mystery Religion "sitteth upon many waters." Verse 15 explains the waters. They symbolize "peoples, and multitudes, and NATIONS, and tongues." The USA does not sit upon any other nations. Vatican City claims to have jurisdiction over all nations, and will literally have jurisdiction over all nations when the Tribulation Pope becomes the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 and heads up the One World Government (OWG) and the United Religions (UR). At that time, "power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS. And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life" (Rev. 13:7,8). The Beast is then over all nations, and all nonbelievers will worship him.

In 17:2, "the kings of the earth (i.e., all the nations of the earth, including the USA) have committed fornication" (joined) with the Mystery Religion. Since the USA is one of the nations, it can't also be the Mystery Religion all the nations join up with. Vatican City will be joined to all nations when the Tribulation Pope heads up the OWG and the UR.

In 17:3, the Mystery Religion is to be carried into the wilderness (Babylon, a desert in Iraq) and sit upon the great red dragon, "full of names of blasphemy (vicar of Christ, Pontifex Maximus, infallible, etc.), having seven heads and ten horns." The USA is not going to be moved to Babylon on the Euprates. Vatican City is. Mt. 24::26 says "if they shall say unto you, Behold, he (the False Prophet) is in the DESERT (i.e., Babylon), go not forth."

In 17:5,6 we read, "upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." The USA is not drunken with the blood of saints and martyrs of Jesus. Vatican City has been in the past, and when headed up Mid-Trib by the False Prophet, will be again.

Rev. 17:7 promises to "tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns." The woman is "that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth" (v. 18). The USA is not a city and does not rule over the other kings of the earth. Vatican City does.

Zech. 5:6-11 Tells us about the harlot church being moved to Babylon. It says, "see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (the largest wheat measure, i.e., the largest church) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through all the earth (it is the world church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman (the harlot church) that sitteth in the midst of the ephah (the world church). And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (two religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven (to move it). Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah (world church)? And he said unto me, To build it an house IN THE LAND OF SHINAR (Babylon, where the Tower of Babel was begun, Gen. 11:2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (the Tower of Babel).

The harlot church of Rev. 17:4 is called the city of 7 hills, Rome. She is "arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls." After moving to literal Babylon, she is still arrayed in "fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls" (Rev. 18:16). She is the same world church, but her headquarters is moved to literal Babylon on the Euphrates.

Her doom is portrayed in Rev. 18:21. It says, "a mighty angel took up a stone (asteroid) like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

The verse I saw a rectangle of light on was Jer. 50:2. It says, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces."

You say what you will, but I say that literal Babylon will be destroyed. Jer. 12-15 says, "the hindermost (last) of the nations shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a DESERT (in Iraq). Because of the WRATH OF THE LORD it shall not be inhabited, but IT SHALL BE WHOLLY DESOLATE: every one that goeth by BABYLON shall be astonished, and hiss at all her plagues. Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, her walls are thrown down: for IT IS THE VENGEANCE OF THE LORD."

Jer. 50:23-26 says, "How is the hammer of the whole earth (the asteroid that will strike earth) cut asunder and broken (it breaks into 2 main pieces, Rev. 8:8,10)! how is Babylon become a desolation among the nations! I have laid a snare for thee, and thou art also taken, O BABYLON, and thou wast not aware: thou art found, and also caught, because thou hast striven against the LORD. THE LORD HATH OPENED HIS ARMOURY, and hath brought forth the weapons (asteroids) of his indignation: for THIS IS THE WORK OF THE LORD GOD OF HOSTS IN THE LAND OF THE CHALDEANS. Come against her (Babylon) from the utmost border, open her storehouses: cast her up as heaps, and DESTROY HER UTTERLY: LET NOTHING BE LEFT."

> > There are more Jews living in Babylon New York than the entire country of Israel.

What do Jews have to do with the harlot church? Agape

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Re: You are 2000 years to late
"This (there's from 30 AD to 70 AD) generation shall not pass away until all things take place"

The end of the ages was in 70 AD the age that Paul lived in and the rest of the disciples including Jesus. The world ( Jewish world ) ended. The Revelation was fulfilled and the devil has been crushed under Paul's feet 2000 years ago, just like he said it would! , Cor 10: 11 "the ends of the ages HAVE come" thank you

My reply

In speaking to the Pharisees in Mt. 23:36, Jesus meant the things that were to come upon the Pharisees by 70 AD. In v. 33, he said, "Ye serpents, ye GENERATION of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? In v. 36, he said, "All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." Those things did come upon that generation by 70 AD.

After that, the disciples showed Jesus the temple. He said that not one stone would be left upon another. Then in Mt. 24:3, the disciples asked Jesus privately, "tell us, when shall these things be? (70 AD) AND what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (aionos, age)? They didn't ask for a certain year, but asked what would be the sign of his coming and the end of the age. Jesus gave them a rundown on events at the end of this age, then gave them the SIGN OF HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE in the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34.

Therefore, the things that came on the Pharisees in 70 AD are not the same as the SIGN OF HIS COMING AND THE END OF THE AGE. The Pharisees lived in the time when punishment fell upon them for their unbelief. We, however, were not alive then. We are living in the end of this age. None of the things to happen in the Tribulation have taken place yet.

Please don't park your brains and let someone tell you, against all reason, that all of Revelation took place in the Pharisees' generation. It didn't. Especially, don't let someone tell you that "devil has been crushed." He is very active today. Why do you think we have so much evil in this world?

If you want to really know what we are facing here at the end of this age, let me know. I can help you understand, but I am not going to waste my time if you think all of Revelation has already been fulfilled.

> > Cor 10: 11 "the ends of the ages HAVE come"

I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them (not us) for ensamples (examples): and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (ages) are come." Do you have the faintest idea of what the ends of the ages are?

Each age is about 2000 years. In the Age of the Gentiles, God dealt with all mankind. In the Age of the Jews, God dealt mainly with the Jews. In the Age of the Church, God dealt mainly with the church. The end of the Age of the Jews has an extension called the 70th week of Daniel (Dan. 9:27). That 7 years is what we call the Tribulation. At the same time that the end of the Age of the Jews runs, I think the end of the Age of the Gentiles and the end of the Age of the Church run. They run concurrently.

Rev. 3:10 says, "Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (peirasmou, trial), which shall come upon ALL THE WORLD, to try them that dwell upon the earth." This shows that this trial that is to come upon the Jews is also to come upon the Gentiles and the rest of the Church not caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. This trial is upon the WHOLE WORLD. The trial of 70 AD, was NOT upon the WHOLE WORLD. It was only upon the Jews.

Now the Jews are back in their land again. Now the trial that is to come upon the WHOLE WORLD will soon take place.

The Lord told us in Lu. 21:36 to "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." I am watching, and praying that I will be accounted worthy to escape all the things set forth in Rev. 6f. Are you obeying Jesus' commandment? Agape

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Re: The Way - Peter/Cephas
Shalom, In your article The Way, You have Yeshua calling Peter Cephas, which you say is Chaldean for rock. My Bible has a parenthesis that says it is translated stone. I looked in the Strongs and it says that it is Chaldean for rock, then it says comp (does that mean compare) 3710 -- which is to be angry, violent passion, enrage, etc. Is this what it means because it seems to fit Peter as in Matthew 16: 13-23 where he said his name was Peter (a stone), he didn't call him Cephas here, then a few verses later He calls him satan. It seems that Peter could be used mightily by God and satan also, in fact Paul had to rebuke Peter later on in the book of Acts.

So I am guessing that the name Cephas(a rock) has nothing to do with the revelation that Peter gave in Matthew in that what he said was the Rock and not actually Peter. Is this correct? Because if Peter is the rock, he is a very unstable rock.

My reply

I don't understand the note in Strongs. Those two words are nothing alike. I'll just go by Kephas, a rock. I think comp. does mean to compare though.

Peter is Petros, a small rock or a piece of a rock. Petra is a large mass of rock. That is why the city carved out of a large mass of rock is named Petra.

Mt. 16:13-16 says, "Jesus...asked his disciples...WHOM SAY YE THAT I AM? And Simon Peter answered and said, THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter (Petros, a small rock), and upon this rock (petra, mass of rock, i.e., 'CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD') I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Christ is the Petra (mass of rock), and believing Peter is the Petros (small rock).

Psa. 18:2 says, "The LORD is my rock." I Cor. 3:11 says, "For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ." The church, along with Peter, says, "THOU ART THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD." Mt. 22:42 says, "What think ye of Christ? whose son is he?" The correct answer is that he is "THE CHRIST, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD." The person who believes this is a member of the church.

Believers are built up as a spiritual temple upon Christ, the corner stone, AND upon the apostles and prophets, the other foundation stones in the spiritual building. Peter is not the only stone in the foundation. The New Jerusalem in Rev. 21:14 has "twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

Eph. 2:19-22 says, "Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the FOUNDATION OF THE APOSTLES AND PROPHETS, JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF BEING THE CHIEF CORNER STONE; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit."

Peter is not the only stone underlying us as living stones in the church. All the apostles and prophets were foundation stones, always with Christ as the corner stone. However, Peter was given the keys to open the door of opportunity to the Jews on Pentecost and again to the Gentiles at Cornelius' house. The believing Jews were given the indwelling Holy Spirit of Christ at Pentecost. The believing Gentiles were given the same at Cornelius' house.

Peter understood exactly what Christ meant about the rock. In I Peter 2:3-7, he said, "If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious. To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious, Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a CHIEF CORNER STONE, elect, precious: and HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM SHALL NOT BE CONFOUNDED. Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the HEAD OF THE CORNER,"

The head of the corner has a double meaning. In the above, Christ is the corner stone. In the Tabernacle, the 10 widths of the curtain that covered it represented the 10 original planets. That is why cherubim were embroidered on each width. The heavens were stretched out like a tent. The width of curtain that stood for Earth was the one that draped over the edge at the back of the Tabernacle. Half of it was on top. The other half folded down the back. Therefore, Earth was the corner, and Christ will be made head (King) of the corner (Earth). Agape

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Re: 7 day warning
If you suspect 15-Nov, then we have already gone past the seven day warning - with apparently no warning. Please keep up the good work. I'm one of many, many (silent) folks who are following your site daily.

My reply

Thanks. I really think spring is more likely, but just don't want to rule out the day Noah entered the Ark. The tarrying period is probably to weed out those that will not persevere in spite of having to wait. I'm determined to win the race no matter what happens or doesn't happen. I aim to be an overcomer.

I remember what Mt. 24:48-51 says: "if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation) WITH THE HIPOCRITES (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Lu. 12:45-47 says, "if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes." I am prepared, and I aim to stay prepared. Agape

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Re: Time- 360 vs 365.25 days
Joshua 10:12-14 Then spoke Joshua to the Lord...:"Sun, stand still over Gibeon..." So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped,...

2 Kings 20:1-11 Hezekiah's life extended - v 10 And Hezekiah answered, "It is an easy thing for the shadow to go down ten degrees; no, but let the shadow go backward ten degrees."

Please comment. Thanks. Shalom. In Christ

My reply

I don't go by 360-day years in figuring time stated in years. I use normal years. Gen. 1:14 says, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years." We are supposed to set the length of the year by the Sun, and the Jews do so in spite of starting their months on the new Moon. They have to add leap-year months about every 3 years to get it to come out right with the Sun over a 19-year cycle. They are forced to add the 13th month to have grain ripe at the Feast of Firstfruits. The Lord arranged this so they would not let the year fall behind the seasons.

Sir Robert Anderson seems to have started a lot of this 360-day figuring. I don't believe he was right in figuring the date of Jesus' birth that way. Martin Anstey, who wrote The Romance of Bible Chronology, found an 82-year error in the period of the Persian kings. If we subtract 82 years from the secular date of BC 536, derived using Ptolemy's work, we get BC 454 for "the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem" (Dan. 9:25). From that command to the Crucifixion was to be 483 years. 483 - 454 + 1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD, the correct year for the Crucifixion. This leaves the proper 40-year generation to 70 AD, when Jerusalem and the temple were burned. Eze. 4:6 says, "thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year."

In Mt. 23:33-38, Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell? Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city: That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar. Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION. O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

Joshua's Long Day was literally "about a whole day" (Jos. 10:13). Yeshua is derived from the Hebrew Yehoshua/Joshua.

That early long day was a type of Yeshua/Jesus' Long Day, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. In Jos. 10:14, "the LORD fought for Israel." In v. 11, "the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah (dug over), and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."

On Jesus' Long Day, two large pieces of what is probably a binary asteroid will break apart, releasing a hail of stones weighing about 100 lbs. All will impact Earth. The asteroid piece that is the size of a mountain (Rev. 8:8) will strike the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5), stopping Gog's army that is attacking Israel. The larger "aster" (Rev. 8:10) will wipe out Babylon. Egypt will be hurt so badly that no one will live there for the next 40 years. Eze. 29:10,11 says, "I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years."

The Sun going back ten degrees in Hezekiah's day may have made up the difference, making the loss total a whole day. Agape

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