Pro and Con 641

Posted 11-19-00-00

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> > FOR MARILYN AGEE (Thu 11 Jun 1998)THIS WORD WAS RECEIVED FROM MY BROTHER TODAY AT LUNCH. I SUBMIT IT TO YOU. I FEEL IT IS FOR YOU:
THOUGH THE VISION TARRIES, IT WILL NOT LINGER. I WILL REVEAL FOR THREE DAYS

***[UPDATE---NOTICE THIS WAS THE FIRST MENTION OF THE TIME PERIOD OF 3 DAYS]

THE THINGS THAT ARE SOON TO COME TO PASS ON MY DAY...

My reply

Here is some food for thought. Think about "MY DAY" in the word from your brother. Do you think it could refer to Jesus' ascension day? That sounds like Jesus' day, or "HIS DAY" as in Lu. 17:24. The Raptures are both called the Day of of the Son of Man.

Lu. 17:22-25 says, "The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN, and ye shall not see it. And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them. For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in HIS DAY. But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in THE DAYS OF THE SON OF MAN." Three years would fit (1998 + 3 = 2001).

Is Ascension Day also "THE DAY OF CHRIST," who is the Son of Man. THE DAY OF CHRIST is the Rapture. Phil. 1:6,10 says, "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until THE DAY OF JESUS CHRIST....That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till THE DAY OF CHRIST" Phil. 2:16 says, "Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in THE DAY OF CHRIST that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain."

I Cor. 1:8 says, "Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in THE DAY OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST." I Cor. 5:5 says, "To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS." II Cor. 1:14 says, "As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in THE DAY OF THE LORD JESUS."

All the feasts are "HIS DAY." Lev. 23:37 says, "These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon HIS DAY." Is Ascension Day also "HIS DAY"?

Ruth 3:2 says, "is not Boaz (kinsman redeemer, type of Christ) of our kindred, with whose maidens thou wast? Behold, he winnoweth barley to night in the threshingfloor." That night, Ruth (type of the Gentile Bride) laid at Boaz' feet. It could correspond with Ascension Day since it was BARLEY, NOT WHEAT. In v. 15, Boaz gave Ruth 6 measures of barley to emphasize barley.

Since we are His sheep, could Mt. 12:11 indicate that we will be taken out of the Earth on the Sabbath? It says, " What man shall there be among you, that shall have one SHEEP, and if it fall into a pit on the SABBATH DAY, will he not lay hold on it, and LIFT IT OUT?" Being taken out of a pit indicates the Rapture in Psa. 40:1-3. Ascension Day in 2001 can be Fri., Iyar 25 (May 18) or Sat., Iyar 26 (May 19), according to whether we count by Jewish inclusive reckoning or not. The Sabbath will start at 6 PM on our May 18th.

BTW, I found another clue that Jesus was born on Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, the day the wrath of God will fall on Earth. Psa. 2:5-9 says, "Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; THIS DAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN (yalad, born, time of delivery) THEE. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel." Agape

His reply

From CAPS:
Marilyn, your analysis is interesting. The study about "my day" seems accurate.

I feel the Rapture will be on Pentecost. Look again at Romans 15:16:

"That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the Offering Up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost."

The "offering up of the Gentiles", of which Paul uses terminology of himself as being a Priest, seems unmistakably indicative of the offering up of the two loaves on the Feast of Pentecost. This verse seems to be New Testament confirmation of the ceremony performed on the Day .......Here is an "interruption". As I was about to continue with writing the "Day of Pentecost" it struck me that , here again, is the use of the word "Day". Then , immediately, I remembered that in Acts 2:1, it reads: "And when the DAY of Pentecost was fully come.." This could well correlate to the prophetic word in the use of "MY DAY" and to the scriptures you cited re "Christ's DAY", THE "DAY OF CHRIST" , etc. It may well be that the ONLY Feast called by the term " THE DAY" is Pentecost. Unleavened Bread is called the "dayS of U.B." The last day of the FOT is referred to in John 7:37 as the "last day" , but not "the day."

Could this be a further clue that Pentecost is the "Day"? God bless your studies.

My reply

There is good reason to think that the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on Pentecost. There is also the possibility that the 1st Rapture is on the 1st day of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation and that the last Rapture is on the 2300th day. I think the 1st day of the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 is the Feast of Weeks in 2001 (Sivan 6, 5761/May 28, 2001) and the last day of the 2300 days is on the Feast of Trumpets in 2007 (Tishri 1, 5768/Sept. 13, 2007).

On the 1st day, the Beast comes to power and the 10 kings are crowned. That raises a question. Is there a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation? Rev. 17 makes me think there is a gap. The Rapture has already taken place for v. 14 mentions "they that ARE with him (Christ) ARE called, and chosen, and faithful." Yet, in v. 12, the "ten kings...have received NO KINGDOM AS YET." In Rev. 13:1, when the Tribulation is starting, all 10 horns (kings) are wearing crowns. There is a possibility that the 10 kings could be crowned, but not yet receive their kingdom.

I know you study a lot, so would you please let me know what you find that would indicate either that there is a gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation or that there is not a gap. The Rapture, our ascension, on Ascension Day would make sense since Christ, the head of the Body of Christ, ascended on that day.

Jer. 5:24 is a very interesting verse. It says, "the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in HIS SEASON: he reserveth unto US THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST." Dr. Tabor, who is translating for the Original Bible Project, said in his email to me that literally this says, "He keeps for us Shavuot, appointed for the harvest." Dr. Tabor was very interested that this emphasizes that "HE," the Lord, keeps for us Shavuot. The Lord keeps Pentecost. That could apply to the Rapture, for the Lord comes for us in the air, just as the 2 loaves are waved in the air. If HIS season is spring, is OUR season spring too? Spring includes "THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST." Is this a harvest of the firstfruits of saints? Jesus LEAVING on Ascension Day and COMING as the Spirit of Christ on the day of Pentecost in 30 AD supports Pentecost as the day of the Rapture.

The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God. Rom. 8:9,10 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness." I Peter 1:11 says, "Searching what, or WHAT MANNER OF TIME the Spirit of Christ which was in them did SIGNIFY, when it testified beforehand THE SUFFERINGS of Christ, AND THE GLORY that should follow." The Crucifixion was on Nisan 14. The Second Advent, according to Eze. 29:17,21 and Hos. 6:3, will be on Nisan 1, the 1st day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year. That is fitting, Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of Lords. Both Nisan 1 and Nisan 14 are in the spring. Both are in HIS APPOINTED SEASON. Also in spring are "THE APPOINTED WEEKS OF THE HARVEST," the wheat harvest (Ex. 23:22).

Nu. 9 mentions "HIS APPOINTED SEASON" in verses 2,3,7,13. It is the season of Passover. Nu. 9:2,3 says, " Let the children of Israel also keep the passover at HIS APPOINTED SEASON. In the fourteenth day of this month, at even, ye shall keep it in HIS APPOINTED SEASON." His season here is clearly spring. His crucifixion and resurrection are in HIS APPOINTED SEASON. The Second Advent will also be in this season.

Jesus was the Seed of Gen. 3:15, the Firstfruit of the 1st Resurrection. Some Old Testament saints came out of their graves (Mt. 27:52) and were taken to Heaven on Resurrection Day. They were the rest of the BARLEY sheaf offered on the Feast of Firstfruits. Both Firstfruits and Pentecost/Feast of Weeks are in the spring season. Firstfruits are mentioned in connection with both the Feast of Firstfruits and the Feast of Weeks, also referred to as "the feast of HARVEST, the FIRSTFRUITS of thy labours, which thou hast sown in the field" (world) in Ex. 23:16. The Feast of Weeks is the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and we are called wheat. Ex. 23:22 says, "thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the FIRSTFRUITS of WHEAT HARVEST." Not only the firstfruits is mentioned in connection with the Feast of Weeks, Ex. 23:19 mentions that "the FIRST OF THE FIRSTFRUITS of thy land thou shalt bring into the house of the LORD thy God."

Another thing that makes Pentecost sound likely is that some wheat is left behind like the foolish Laodicean virgins (Mt. 25:1f; Lu. 12:46; Mt. 24:51). Lev. 23:22 says, "when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt NOT MAKE CLEAN RIDDANCE of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger."

If Pentecost is the Rapture, the 10 kings would get their crowns at the beginning of the Tribulation, but not their kingdoms. If Ascension Day is the Rapture, the 10 kings would get their kingdoms at the same time they get their crowns. Agape

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Re: length of a generation
I know we have talked about this before, and that you feel a generation is 40 years, based upon the 40 years from the prophecied destruction of the Temple in 30 AD until it happened in 70 AD. However, logically might this indicate that a generation is AT LEAST 40 years, not EXACTLY 40 years?

Specifically, if it were 14x3 or 42 generations to Jesus in the OT, spanning 2160 years, would not this work out to an average of 51.4 years per generation?: length of a generation

Dr. Van Impe stated that one opinion is that a generation is 40 years. That opinion is based on Psalm 95:10. On the other hand, another opinion, basically the opinion of the great chronologist Thiele, who speculated, based on Matt. 1:17 that a generation could be 51.4 years. He came to that conclusion because it says, "all the generations from Abraham unto David are 14 generations. From David unto the carrying away into Babylon - 14 generations, and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ is 14 generations. So from the total of generations between Abraham to Christ is 42 generations. From Abraham to Christ, the time span is 2160 years. When one divides 42 into 2160, it comes to 51.4.

My reply

We are told over and over that the Israelites wandered in the wilderness 40 years. Then they went into the promised land. Apply that to our days. Israel grew leaves in the Six Day War of 1967, fulfilling the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34. Forty years from then is 2007. We know from Mal. 2:2:3 and Joel 1:15; 2:1-3 that the Day of God's Wrath is on the Feast of Trumpets. It is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Count back the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14) by Jewish inclusive reckoning. Thus we arrive at the Feast of Weeks, a perfect time for the 70th week of Daniel 9:27 to start. This count is not true in every such set of years. Also, there are to be 7 Jewish months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1) and the following Nisan 1, the Second Advent (Eze. 21:17,21; Hos. 6:3). Thus, that year must be a Jewish Leap Year, and 5768 is a Leap Year. You can't move that 1 or 2 years earlier or later. It won't lock in place.

I don't think BC 2160 is correct. Mt. 1:17 indicates 42 generations from Abraham to Christ. I think Abraham was born in BC 2035 and Christ in BC 5. 2030 divided by 42 = 48.45. However, man's lifespan decreased in Noah's day and again in David's. That makes a bit of a difference in how long a generation is. Webster's calls it 33 years, but the 40 years of the Pharisees generation before destruction hit (Mt. 23:36) is a better indicator. The Bible interprets the Bible. These things happened to Israel for types.

Psa. 95:10 is a good indicator. It says, "FORTY YEARS long was I grieved with THIS GENERATION, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways."

Gen. 25:20 says, "Isaac (a type of Christ) was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife." That ties in with 40 years from the taking of Jerusalem to the Marriage of the Lamb in 2007.

Nu. 32:13 says, "the LORD's anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness FORTY YEARS, until all THE GENERATION, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed."

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I thank the Lord for leading me to your website - it is so refreshing to me to have found another person in the Lord who is a study of prophecy. You are a blessing to many - and you won't really know the degree to that statement until we are all home in Christ. I will ask the Lord to give you the wisdom and strength you need to continue in seeking the truth considering these last days.

Considering the tribulation - two 1260 day periods, total of 2520 days or 7 years. You mentioned the tribulation being shortened to 2300 days - has anyone considered this: 2520 - 2300 = 220 days. Could it be possible, that after the rapture of the bride of Christ, it takes the world 210-220 days to "regroup" and then the 10 kings get crowned? And this keeps coming to mind because I have a hard time visioning the world crowning anybody, confirming peace or doing much anything "productive" following the rapture of possibly several millions of people as if nothing happened at all. We keep looking for a space of time between the beginning of the tribulation hour and the rapture of the bride (with this possibility, no space is needed) - it's hard to believe in this sensationalistic world we live in that immediately (within days) of the rapture that anything at all will be taking place - It will probably be a time of great confusion and despair immediately afterwards. I can see it needing a space of about 210 days to get things going in confirming peace and crowning 10 kings. I haven't seen anything in scripture to suggest that the antichrist is immediately revealed following the rapture - and yet, we can still begin the 2520 days known as Jacob's Trouble. Can anyone with a calender program see when 220 days from May 18th 2001 falls on - or at least look into this possibility. Thanks.

Also I would like to ask you your opinion on the following. You suggest that the rapture might take place on May 18th 2001 or 10 days later on May 28th 2001 - Pentecost. Before I ask your opinion, please consider the following scriptures - I Thess 4:13 - Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, WILL CERTAINLY NOT PRECEDE those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from Heaven, with a loud command with the voice of the archangel AND with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 AFTER THAT, we who are STILL ALIVE AND ARE LEFT will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Notice these verses are describing TWO events. First - the dead in Christ will rise "with a loud command with the voice of the archangel". Second (AFTER THAT) - we who are alive AND ARE LEFT, "with the trumpet call of God" will be caught up together with "them in the clouds" to meet the Lord in the air. In my humble opinion - I believe it is possible that these two events could be separated by a short amount of time - perhaps ten days. Considering May 18th, 2001 for example, this being "Ascension Day". It could be possible that the dead in Christ are raptured on this day and that 10 days later - we who are alive and left would be raptured on May 28th, 2001 or Pentecost. In a scenario such as this, we who are alive and left would have a clearcut signal from God that our time left is very short - a matter of days. Remember that God reveals all thing unto those who love and seek him. It has always been my belief that when I see the dead in Christ rise first, then my time here is short indeed. Maybe this is another reason why we are encouraged to "lift up our heads, for our redemption draweth nigh" - to look for the dead in Christ rising first. Noah was given 7 days notice before he had to be on the ark. I think we also will be given "days" notice. Even the parable of the Ten Virgins suggest this possibility. Mathew 25:6 - "Here's the Bridegroom, come out to meet him!" After they all wake up, 5 of them realize they are short on oil, they are told to go out and buy some for themselves - but while they are gone, the Bridegroom arrives and takes those with him who are ready and then shuts the door. My point being they all saw the bridegroom coming and knew he was on his way - The 5 unwise virgins thought they might have a enough time to go out and get some oil for their lamps - Bridegroom showed up while they were gone trying to get oil. But there was some time from the crying out "Here's the Bridegroom!" to the virgins waking up, trimming their lamps, and being taken with him to the wedding banquet. Any thoughts? P.S. Thank you and God Bless You and your husband!

My reply

Thanks for those kind words.

> > has anyone considered this: 2520 - 2300 = 220 days. Could it be possible, that after the rapture of the bride of Christ, it takes the world 210-220 days to "regroup" and then the 10 kings get crowned?

I haven't heard anyone mention this idea. I'll tell you how I see it. Mt. 24:15,16,21,22 says, "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)...Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:6)...For then (Mid-Trib) shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except THOSE DAYS (of the GREAT TRIBULATION) should be SHORTENED, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake THOSE DAYS SHALL BE SHORTENED."

Satan is "cast out into the earth" Mid/Trib (Rev. 12:9). He immediately possesses the False Prophet and heads for the temple to sit there "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He also places an idol there, so the sacrificing stops.

Dan. 8:10-14 says, "And it (a little horn, i.e., the Satan-possessed False Prophet) waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it (Satan) cast down some of the host and of the stars (the fallen angels) to the ground (as in Rev. 12:4), and stamped upon them. Yea, he (the False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host (the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10), and by him (the False Prophet) the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation (when he sits in the temple as God and places an idol there), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed."

The Tribulation is 1260 days plus another 1260 days, but for the elect's sake the 2nd 1260 days is to be shortened or no flesh would be saved. (2300 - 1260 = 1040 days for the shortened Great Tribulation). The other 220 days probably run out as the Judgment of the Nations convenes. Satan will have dominion taken from him, I think at this judgment. Then Armageddon, Satan's last ditch stand, will break out.

The reason for the shortening is to take up all the rest of the saints in the Pre-Wrath Rapture so they will not have to go through God's wrath. They will probably be caught up in the night or early morning on Tishri 1, 5768. The 2 pieces of the asteroid will impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). The False Prophet, the 7th head of the great red dragon, will be deposed on the 2300th day. Satan will come out of him and operate on his own as the "eighth" (Rev. 17:11), the tail of the great red dragon.

Prov. 10:27 says, "The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years (3.5) of THE WICKED (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall be SHORTENED. Mk. 13:20 says, "And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath SHORTENED the days."

> > the 2520 days known as Jacob's Trouble

I think the time of Jacob's trouble is one single day, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath. That day "shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one (ALL, as in I Cor. 15:51,52) that shall be found written in the book . And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake" (Dan. 12:1,2).

It could be possible that the dead in Christ are raptured on this day and that 10 days later - we who are alive and left would be raptured on May 28th, 2001 or Pentecost.

Lot's of things are put together in Scripture when they happen at 2 different times, so it is possible. Because Jesus says that he comes quickly, I think it is most likely to all take place in a short period of time.

Those who came out of their graves after Jesus did on Resurrection Day were seen in Jerusalem, but were taken to Heaven that same day. Jn. 20:17 says, "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God." Later in the day, he encouraged them to touch him. Between those hours, he went to Heaven and back.

> > there was some time from the crying out "Here's the Bridegroom!" to the virgins waking up, trimming their lamps, and being taken with him to the wedding banquet. Any thoughts?

It seems likely that we will have some warning. Enoch knew. Noah knew. Elijah knew. The precedent has been set. What that warning will be, I don't know. I just aim to keep watching. I will probably be something that Christians will recognize, but that the world will pay no attention to. Agape

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I thought you would be quite interested in this article. God Bless!

THE CUTTING EDGE: "Has God Already Turned Off The Sun? Scientific Evidence Says Maybe!", by Robert W. Faid, "A Scientific Approach to Biblical Mysteries" If our sun is powered by the fusion process, then the reactor furnace core is cold right now, and it is a matter of time before the "sun is darkened" and will not give her light anymore. Hmm, doesn't Jesus predict just this type of occurrence? You bet it does.
"Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:" (Matthew 24:29)

Jesus prophesies that, immediately after the 7-year Tribulation Period is concluded, the sun will be darkened and moon will not give off any more light, because He is about to make His glorious entrance into the world, coming as King of Kings and Lord of Lords! Think of the dramatic effect! When the sun and moon go out, the entire world will be plunged into immediate darkness, the blackest darkness anyone on earth can ever imagine. Then, against this terribly dark backdrop, the glorious light of Heaven will suddenly shine forth, and Jesus Christ will return to earth amidst all this Heavenly light, with His saints! His glorious light will shine all the more remarkably because the existing sun will have been totally shut off.

My reply

It is interesting, but I don't think the darkness of the Day of God's Wrath has anything at all to do with the Sun. The two asteroid pieces (Rev. 8:8,10) will impact Earth and cause thick darkness. The Sun will be obscured, not obliterated. It is the Earth that gets hurt, not the Sun. Every wall will fall in the world-wide earthquake (Eze. 38:20). The cities of the nations will fall (Rev. 16:18). Civilization as we know it will be wiped out, but the Sun will still be there.

"Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound" (Isa. 30:26). Agape

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You said in PC 638
> > Rev. 17:8 says, "The beast (red dragon, Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (is not in man at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture); and shall (Mid-Trib) ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, and go into perdition (he will then enter into the Son of Perdition, the False Prophet)... The first part of your interpretation of this verse I totally agree with. I see how you get Satan ascending out of the pit mid trib. from Rev. 12:9's mid trib reference to Satan being "cast INTO the earth". Your saying that "go into perdition" should be interpreted "go into the SON of perdition" seems to stretching the intent of the greek word a bit. Apoleia means ruin, loss, destruction, damnation. Going into the False Prophet would not be ruin or loss for Satan, but the gaining of a mouthpiece and a conduit for his insidious, but doomed plan.

You could be right on that interpretation, but could it also just as well be interpreted as "and shall (future tense) ASCEND OUT OF THE BOTTOMLESS PIT (at the end of the millenium when he is released from the bottomless pit), and go into (after he and his rebellion are squashed by Jesus) perdition (the lake of fire).

The definition of perdition as destruction or damnation would fit better with this interpretation. I like your interpretation of "going into the SON of perdition", but it seems to me that this fits a little better. What do you think? Your brother in Jesus

My reply

I didn't mean that perdition is the False Prophet. I never thought of it that way. I didn't make myself clear. Sorry. The False Prophet is the Son of Perdition, as Judas Iscariot was, because Satan enters into them both, but perdition itself is damnation in Hell in my mind. All 3 of these are headed for damnation in Hell. Agape

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