Pro and Con 66, Uploaded 2-15-98
You say that you can't remember a time in your life when you did not believe that Jesus Christ is God. My question to you is this. Do you ever remember being lost in your sin, in need of a saviour? Do you ever remember a time in your life when you were headed for hell and deserved to go there because of sin? All that I see in your testimony is that you've been baptised. The KJV Bible tells us the only way into the kingdom of God is to be BORN AGAIN. So my question to you have been Born Again or have you just been baptized?
Don't worry. I am BORN AGAIN. Surely, you don't think I could possibly learn so much about Scripture without the indwelling Holy Spirit. The Bible is nonsense to unbelievers.
I accepted Christ before I was baptized--both times. Having been sprinkled the first time, and after finding out that baptizo meant immersed, I wanted to be immersed as Jesus was. Later, when I was beginning intense Bible study in earnest, I prayed again and asked Christ to be my Saviour. I just wanted to be certain. I told him I was turning my life over to him 100% and asked to be filled with his Holy Spirit. I asked him to help me understand his Word.
No, I have never thought I was lost in sin and headed for hell; I knew better. I was sure I was headed for Heaven because of John 3:16: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I was raised attending church and getting good basic doctrine all along.
I see your mind remains as carnal as ever. That's o.k., it is just not your "appointed time" yet.
Job 14:14 If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come.
It is clear to me that your "change" has not yet come. That is, your change from "carnally minded" to "spiritually minded". Your understanding of the "Rapture" and the "end of the world" is much too temporal and natural to be truth.
You see only what the "letter" of the Word can show you, and it is still "killing" you. After all, your understanding of the "end of the world" is really no different from what is seen by Catholics, Moslems, Calvinists, and even Jews! Your timing is a little different, but the basics are the same. And that by definition means you cannot be seeing the "Spirit of the Word" that "gives life".
But that is all right. You are doing the best you can until your "appointed time" comes. If it comes. I noticed you have figured out where heaven is. Somewhere out there in the solar System, huh? I guess it is a real, visible and temporal place. Yet Paul said to seek that which is invisible and eternal in 2 Corinthians 4:18. You need to re-examine that verse.
Jesus told us exactly where Heaven is. Obey the command to "compare spiritual things with spiritual" and you can know where it is as well.
Luke 8:11 Now the parable is this. The SEED is the WORD of God.
Matt 13:31 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard SEED,
Here Jesus spells it out to you, Marilyn. Can you see it? Heaven is like a seed, and the seed is the Word, ergo heaven is the Word. You are looking at heaven every time you open up your Scriptures. Except for the carnally minded, who see only the "letter of the Word that kills", it is a Hell, not a Heaven. I know the inner torment you are undergoing trying to keep the letter of the law. This whole idea of a Rapture in May has you terrified, because deep down inside you know you cannot keep the law well enough to earn your "crowns" and get "raptured" come Pentecost. All the books and web sites in the world cannot ease that fear either. I know Marilyn because I went through the same thing in 1994. You put on a good show in the flesh, as I did, but secretly you are "sweating great drops of blood" like Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemanee. I hope that come this summer God will release you from the Hell of the letter of the Word, and translate you into the glorious kingdom that is the Spirit of His Word.
> Your understanding of the "Rapture" and the "end of the world" is much too
> temporal and natural to be truth.
I am sorry that you cannot accept that God has given us Scripture in words that we can understand with the help of His indwelling Holy Spirit. We cannot spiritualize everything and make them say any twisted thing we want them to say. The Bible is God-breathed, and God is able to say what he means.
> that by definition means you cannot be seeing the "Spirit of the Word" that
> "gives life".
Faith in Jesus gives life. John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." I put my trust in him.
> Yet Paul said to seek that which is invisible and
> eternal in 2 Corinthians 4:18. You need to re-examine that verse.
This verse has to do with the seen and the unseen. The word "proskairos," translated "temporal," defines the ephemeral and evanescent, placing it in contrast to the abiding and eternal. Is this what set you off spiritualizing Scripture and making it mean anything you want to imagine in your own head?
> Heaven is like a seed, and the seed is the Word, ergo heaven is the Word. You
> are looking at heaven every time you open up your Scriptures
Have a nice mansion in your heaven. Seems rather small to me. Will you be able to ever unfold after once getting into it? I can imagine you will look pretty much like a pressed flower. Will you have room for anyone else, or are you the only one saved out of all that have lived from Adam down to you?
In John 14:2, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you." I believe Jesus meant what he said.
You had better plan to make room for Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara. Hebrews 11:15 says, "And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city."
Woops! better make room for a city too.
> I know the inner torment you are undergoing trying to keep the letter of the law.
No man was ever saved by the law and I don't try. I am saved by my faith in Jesus Christ, not by keeping the law.
> secretly you are "sweating great drops of blood"
Not so. You are not here. Whatever spirit is feeding you this kind of information is a lying spirit. Beware of him.
I stumbled across a really neat star chart on the internet. It is capable of viewing the stars, planets, charts, galaxies from any location and time (past, current, and future).
...Hope this is helpful. Thanks again for your website. I check it daily for updates.
My reply I'm happy. Visited "Yoursky" tonight with good luck. Many thanks for telling me about this site.
I checked sky for Sept. 8 in our BC 5 (astronomer's -4, because they insert a zero year between BC 1 and 1 AD) at Jerusalem 31 degrees 46' 48" N, 35 degrees 13' 12" E, time 0:00:00. Saturn was in Aries mid sky at that time on that night. Sept. 8, BC 5, was on Friday, as I had figured.
I think Jesus was born that night. That Jewish NYD (Tishri 1), and the Saturday Sabbath, began at 6:PM on our Friday. If Jesus was born before midnight, and I think he was, it was on our Sept. 8. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, born on the Sabbath as the time of the "former rain" began on Tishri 1.
Strange things happen. While I was working on those calendars, my son David's child was born on Sept. 8. David himself was born on April 6, the date of both the Crucifixion and the Second Advent on our calendar.
Really enjoyed the latest p and c. Your inclusion of the instances in which the capitals occurred was inspired. The list pulls together a summary of some very important aspects that we should know.
I just finished reading your other book, "Heaven Found". WOW!!! You sure have had your hands full with research. I just started"Revelations 2000" I am amazed at your in depth research. I only hope that I can be as knowledgable as you in the Scripture of our Lord. Your books have been a really good eye opener for me. Now when I sit down to pray and read the Bible, I understand so much more. Whether the Rapture happens in May or not, you have truly helped me become closer to my Saviour an I love you for that. I'm going to be ready regardless and now my wife has been saved and we enjoy hours of fellowship together each day....I'm so excited I just have to tell everyone of my new found faith. You may not realize it, but you have helped many people understand that the Bible is not just a bunch of mumbo jumbo, it is a blue print of things that are happening right now.
My reply Thanks for sharing this with me. I hope your excitment is catching. To encourage people to accept Christ and get close to him is what it is all about. Yes, I do have my hands full with research. I haven't gotten enough sleep for so many years that my muscles ache because of it. I'm looking for rest after the Rapture. Psa. 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory: let them sing aloud upon their beds." It sounds wonderful to me.
Thank you for bringing the word of God to life for me. The old testament has always been so boring. Now with eyes open I see that from page one it is so full of prophecy that I have never seen before. God has been dealing with my life for over 3 years now. I mean He has gotten down and dirty. I didn't understand why it was so important to start taking care of all the evil in my life, I didn't understand what the rush was all about, but I had a feeling that I had to hurry and change things quickly. ...Satan never quits. I have been worried about not being taken in rapture 1, but God has brought me a long way over the past few years and I know that even if I am not going in the first rapture, that He knows what He is doing with me and I'll be where ever I am suppose to be when the time comes. And as for disappointment if the rapture isn't May 31-well I've been waiting for 50 years and if it is another 50 you will still find me patiently waiting and fully in love with Jesus. Also I'll be looking for a new date. It is too wonderful to have something to look forward to. Thank you again. Your web page brings me so much joy, my heart leaps when I see a new entry. God Bless you and keep you.
PS. I see that many people that e-mail you are in the same dilemma as I am in. No one wants to listen about Jesus coming for us. Everyone is to busy to be bothered. All of my joy and excitement is contained inside myself, for I have no one that wants to talk about the rapture. That's why I feel like a part of something wonderful when I read your web page. Thanks again. I've read all your books and they were wonderful. I gave one to...for Christmas but she'll probably never read it, no one has time for God.
I know how boring history can be, but once I found out that Israel acted out little skits to help us understand prophecy, that history came alive for me. That is why I think it best to start reading the Bible with John, read through Revelation, the outline of end-time prophecy, then read from Isaiah through Luke. This allows us to put the here a little and there a little Old Testament prophecies in order, also read the prophecies in the Olivet Discourse in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21 with better understanding. Once we have the prophecies in mind, we can start from Genesis and read the rest of the Bible, keeping our eyes open to look for types.
Job 11:6 says, "the secrets of wisdom, that they are double to that which is!" You will find things in prophecy that are almost carbon copies of previous events.
For instance, Isaac was a type of Christ, a miracle child given of the Lord, offered symbolically as a sacrifice, and heir of all that his father had. "And Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah to wife" (Gen. 25:20). This could indicate that the Marriage of the Lamb will be at the end of a 40-year period of probation and testing in our days.
Abraham's servant was told to "take a wife for my son of my kindred, and of my father's house" (Gen. 24:40). The church is our Father's house. Rebekah was asked if she would go then or stay home another ten days (24:55). She said "I will go" (24:58). This sure fits the two Raptures ten years apart, from the Jewish 5758 to 5768.
Thanks for sharing with me. God does uphold us. Some people say that God helps those that help themselves. At times that is true. At other times, he helps us when we are too weak to help ourselves. He is there to help, whatever situation we find ourselves in, and may just be waiting for us to ask for his help. He knows what is best in every case. He has many motives. He wants to increase our faith and our strength. At the same time, he allows us to be tested to see if we will hold on to each step upward. Testing is temporary. Pass the test and, as R.B. Thieme says, "cursing turns to blessing." We should be on an upward journey.
One thing to remember, if we confess our sins, God forgives and forgets. Sometimes, we do not do so well at forgiving ourselves and forgetting things of the past. Christians should live for the future, not dwell on the past. You can't reroll it. The rest of your life starts today. The Christian walk is one step at a time.
There are plenty of people that are interested in Jesus' coming. It is just that they don't look different than anyone else, so it is hard to pick them out. Ask the Lord to lead you to them.
I'm glad you enjoy my Web page.
What is the excact date of the penticost?"
Pentecost, Sivan 6, 5758, is our May 31, 1998 on the Jewish Talmudic and Hebrew Calendars, June 1 on the one made by Stewarton Bible College in Scotland. That would be Jerusalem time. We may or may not have to take into consideration time zones.
We have read all of your books and feel certain that God has blessed your work in giving "meat in due season". We check your site everyday for updates and we are excited all over again with each addition. Our major point of concern is our worthiness to be included in the first Rapture. We are of course making a concious effort to be found blameless and are speaking to our children about their own readiness for this event. We feel that it is difficult to draw a line between worthy and unworthy believers. Our question is this.....In Rev.19:7,8 John states that the Lamb's wife is adorned in linen that is the rightousness of the saints. In Rev. 21:2,9,10 John says that he saw the holy city coming down prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. In verse 9 John is told to come hither and he will be shown the Lamb's wife and in verse 10 he is shown the great city, the holy Jerusalem. Thus the question .....Is it possible in the light of these verses to draw the conclusion that the New or heavenly Jerusalem is the bride and is adorned by the saints. An adornment or wedding gown is not the bride. If our rightousness is the adornment then does it not follow that we are not the bride. Also, if as stated in Ephe. 4:12,13 the body of believers is to come in to unity as a perfect man [Gk. aner, always male gender specific] then we as believers are characterized as a male body and the characterization as a bride which is always female specific seems to be a contradition. We know that we are considerd to be the body of Christ which was in the flesh a male body. This is brought home by the verse in Acts 9 that asks Paul "Why persecutest thou me?" when Paul had been persecuting believers. If we are His body and therefore symbolized as a male entity we would not be symbolized as a bride, a female entity. Also in John 3:29 it states that "He that hath the bride is the bridegroom ;but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice :this my joy therefore is fulfilled." Here John a prophet and a believer speaks of himself as the friend of the bridegroom not as the bride. Also in the Word it is always a monogamous relationship that is seen to be the more perfect choice for Godly men so that taking five virgins as brides seems incongrous with that position, but if the five virgins were friends of the bridegroom taken to adorn the bride with their rightousness then no incongriouty exists. On this basis, could the five foolish virgins refer to those who, though enlightened by the law at one time have not refilled their lamps with the law of Grace. Several times in Scripture Israel is characterized as a virgin. See Amos 5:1,2,4 and Jer.31:4,21. The Law had been their light [ Prov.6:23 ] but they refused to keep their light burning when they failed to recognize the Messiah as the fulfillment of the law by His Grace. The Jewish people are, even now, watching for the Messiah to come but the necessary oil obtained through Grace is not lighting their lamps. when the virgins are told to go and buy oil could this not refer to John 6 where Jesus says to buy wine and milk without money. Could this mean that they need to purchase by faith the salvation that will restore the light that had been darkened by clinging to a law that could no longer give light. In 1 John 5:11,12 it states that "he that hath the son hath life ..." and in John 8:12 it says " I am the light of the world ...." therefore if we have the son, and are sealed by the Spirit, then we have life and light. It's not that we desire to live worldly and still make the great escape it's just that the line of delineation seems to be a difficult and arbitrary seperation of the body that somehow overshadows the washing of the blood and the Grace freely given which is the wondrous aspect of our salvation. Please respond in the Knowledge of the Word and help us to understand this matter. Thank you so much for your study and dedication to the Truth.
> the Lamb's wife is adorned in linen that is the rightousness of the saints.
The word in the original is actually "righteousnesses." This includes both the righteousness we get from Christ at salvation and our own righteous acts afterward. Rev. 19:7 says, "his wife hath made HERSELF ready."
This is what we want to do, make ourselves ready. When we first believed, each of us was "purged from his OLD sins" (II Peter 1:9). After that, when we get our feet dirty, we must let Jesus wash our feet, i.e., confess our known sins so he can cleanse us from all unrighteousness (I John 1:9).
> the holy city coming down prepared as a bride adorned for her husband
The words "like" and "as" are symbolic language. Here New Jerusalem is all righteous, as the Bride of Christ should be, "That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish" (Eph. 5:27).
> Is it possible in the light of these verses to draw the conclusion that the
> New or heavenly Jerusalem is the bride and is adorned by the saints.
Jesus went to Heaven to prepare a PLACE for us. This place is New Jerusalem, home of the Bride of Christ. Both probably are clothed with light. God "coverest thyself with light as with a garment" (Psa. 104:2). New Jerusalem has "the glory of God" and "light" (Rev. 21:10,11). "And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it...for there shall be no night there...And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life" (Rev. 21:23-27).
> If our rightousness is the adornment then does it not follow
> that we are not the bride.
The Bride is the one wearing white, which is a symbol of righteousnesses.
> If we are His body and therefore symbolized as a male entity we would not be
> symbolized as a bride, a female entity.
But we are. It is to portray a love relationship with God as it exists between a
bride and bridegroom.
> John a prophet and a believer speaks of himself as the friend of the
> bridegroom not as the bride.
That was before Pentecost, when the church was born into this world.
Re: the ten virgins. I think these represent the Body of Christ. They are called virgins because at salvation, they are as pure as virgins. Later, some are wise Philadelphians and some are foolish Laodiceans. Because the wise virgins go with the Bridegroom when he comes, they are the Bride of Christ and are caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture of Rev. 4:1. They are "accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man" (Luke 21:36).
The foolish virgins have some oil, so they are believers, sealed until the day of redemption. They are caught up with the Tribulation saints (see Rev. 7:14) in the Pre-Wrath Rapture, between the opening of the sixth seal in Rev. 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Rev. 8:1, when the seven trumpet judgments are unleashed on Earth on the Day of God's Wrath. Between the two Raptures is Rev. 6, which begins with the Beast riding forth at the beginning of the Tribulation as a prince of peace and ends with "the great day of his (the Lamb's) wrath is come." Rapture II is on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the destruction that cometh at noonday.
To be caught up in the first Rapture, we have to have enough oil of the Holy Spirit, i.e., confess our sins as per I John 1:9. No wonder we are told not to quench the Holy Spirit and to be filled with the Holy Spirit. If we are not filled enough to be chosen as the Bride, we are going to be sorry. There will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth" (Luke 13:28).
Luke 12:46,47 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (cut him off, i.e., spew him out of His mouth, Rev. 3:16), and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers (i.e., during the Tribulation). And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and PREPARED NOT HIMSELF, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes."
To the lukewarm church, Jesus says, "I counsel thee to buy of me gold (symbol of deity) tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear (it would appear at the Rapture for we can't take ordinary clothing with us): and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see."
At the second Rapture, we see that "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). Their robes were not white at the first Rapture, but Jesus says, "As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent" (Rev. 3:19). We must get ready to meet our God. If we don't do it now, we will have to do it later. Why not now when we can still win the prize of being caught up in the first Rapture, the high calling of God?
I hope this helps you to understand.
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