Pro and Con 661

Posted 12-24-00

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Re: Please pray for the Spencer family.
It would make me feel so hopeful to know that all of your faithful readers are out there praying for the deliverance of my beloved husband and for the restoration of my marriage.

I can't thank you enough. I have learned so much from you and your incredible studies. I have always had such a witness in my spirit when I have read the insights God has given you, even though they may have sounded really far-out and strange at the time. I have given your books to many of my friends and they have been as amazed as I have been. My heart is broken but I know God is on HIS throne and that He cares. I don't know you in the flesh but I love you and I know you care, too.

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It is December 23. We now know on December 22, the Temple Mount is "pledged" to the nation of islam, an asteroid misses the earth by basically nothing (480,000 miles), and Mr. Arafat collapses with possible life ending results. Phil, I knew you were looking for something on Dec 22. I was looking for something on Dec 22. We surely did get fulfillment on Dec 22. This is another EXACTLY predicted day I have been shown, where a very significant event or events took place on the day I was motivated to look for it. Be assured, I will continue to share every single time that I am motivated to look for a date. I accept by Faith that one of them is going to be the FirstFruits Rapture. Agape to all of you from all of us

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Thanks for the news. Interesting events keep happening. Someone else sent me a URL for the info about the temple mount.
This is the first I have heard about Arafat.... Agape

Incoming email Asteroid misses Earth 'by whisker,' by Duncan Steel. BBC 12-23-00 An asteroid capable of wiping out a city has missed the Earth by an astronomical whisker.

The 50-yard space rock travelled over London at more than 20 miles per second before missing the planet by just 480,000 miles - twice the distance to the moon but a near miss in astronomical terms....

The asteroid, still visible through a reasonably powerful telescope in the constellation of Ophiuchus, appeared without warning above the capital at 2400GMT on Friday....

Robin Scagell, vice-president of the Society for Popular Astronomy, said...with the advanced image detectors available today we are beginning to realise that we're in a bit of a shooting gallery."

The asteroid, which has been given the name 2000 YA, is big enough to have devastated London....

***From Marilyn: The constellation OPHIUCHUS depicts Christ running along the ecliptic and battling with SERPENS to keep him from getting the CORONA. OPHIUCHUS' left foot is about to push SCORPIO the rest of the way off of the ecliptic. It is a fitting picture to be reminded of in these days.

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Re: stars & things
I accidentily ran across your many and quite varied web site and was rather amazed, in that I had just gotten my hands on Bullinger's WTTS!

Actually I have now been a 'fan' of Bullinger since I first was introduced to his writings about four years ago. Unfortunately most do not go in for biblical astronomy but it is that something that is so corroborating to the scriptures that is attracting me more all the time.

I have reviewed your presentation of the Zodiac and despite your precocious expectations re: the Rapture- you obviously retain your urgency and expectations and I commend that!

For myself, suffice it to say, I have possibly a more practical experience with how Christ Jesus actually returns. For I have lived & worked in Israel off & on for 20 years and am more interested in the practical side of politics, economics & 'spiritual' of how the prophesies manifest themsleves. Nonetheless, I can definiterly relate to what must soon yet take place and as I do so 'desire' to have more knowledge of The stars as you do (Again, Astrology does not interst me!)

Oh, there is so much yet to say & do and I almost do not know where to begin (But I do!)

May I ask you this- can you see any distinction in the scheme of things as the circle comes full circle re: our latest American presidential 'crisis?' For surely, biblically when (some) big events took place there were portents in the sky (And much of the time noticed & recored only by non-Israelites !!)

Lastly, like yourself I see things...soon to become much more obvious, but, at first only for those who are 'looking' for his return! Bless you through 'Yeshua' (Christ Jesus). MAY THE GOD OF LOVE FILL YOU TO OVERFLOWING WITH HIS LOVE!

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> > can you see any distinction in the scheme of things as the circle comes full circle re: our latest American presidential 'crisis?'

Not really, but he was elected in a 0 year, which seemed to be unlucky for previous ones. Bush is a Christian. I am hoping he goes with us in the Rapture.

It was neat to see a big C in the sky last night when they talked about the eclipse that is coming Dec. 25. To me, that C means Christ. May Y'shua bless you. Shalom

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Re: Pro and Con 337
I just had to write you because of an extremely vivid dream I had last night...

In it, I saw myself typing an e-mail message that I sent to you about 1 1/2 years ago!... It was about the parable of the barren fig tree!.... Then suddenly, I felt an overwhelming sensation that I should forward you this message once again....

Could this mean that next Pentecost is an extremely important day on our Lord's Grand timetable? Perplexed and completely amazed by our Loving Savior's magnificent sovereignty... In His Love,

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Thanks. It seems appropriate, so I'll repeat what you sent before. Next Pentecost does seem like the most likely time now. The year 5758 (1997/1998) was definitely marked. It was the 480th year of the Modern Parallels. Instead of being the Rapture, it seems to have been the 1st of these 4 years (5758, 5759, 5760, and 5761. We started 5761 at 6 PM Sept. 29, 2000. Immediately trouble broke out in Israel. It may have something to do with getting the peace covenant ready to be confirmed next Pentecost. Hope we are on the last leg of our watch. Agape
While I was in prayer last night, I asked the Lord if he could help me to help others more clearly understand the approximate time-frame of his return. I immediately felt an awsome sensation and knew at that moment that the Holy Spirit was tugging at my heart. I suddenly knew that it was extremely important to more closely read and understand the parable of The Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9.
After rereading the parable very closely several times, keeping in mind that the tribulation is most likely to start around Pentecost 2001, I saw the Lord's Patience and His tarrying in a whole new light.
Luke 13:6-9 NAS: A certain man (Christ) had a fig tree (Israel) which had been planted in his vinyard; and HE CAME LOOKING for fruit on it, and did not find any (Pentecost 2000). And he said to the vinyard keeper (Our Father's Loving Patience), Behold, for three years (Pentecost 1998, 1999, 2000) I HAVE COME LOOKING for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground? And he answered and said to him, Let it alone, sir, for this year too (Pentecost 2000 Pentecost 2001), until I dig around it and put in fertilizer (Many Jews witnessed to in the final year); and if it bears fruit next year (Pentecost 2001), fine, but if not, cut it down (The Rapture of the Church Saints on Pentecost 2001, followed by the beginning of The Tribulation).

Could the Lord be tarrying to Rapture the church saints right up to the very last possible second?? If you think about it, wouldn't that be reflective of Our Loving Savior's Grace and Patience with His children, to wait until the very last possible moment?? My heart tells me YES!

Hoping that you can help shed more light on these questions within this parable, Your Friend in Christ Jesus

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TEL AVIV - Leading Israeli defense officials and diplomats are quietly voicing concern over the viability of the Jewish state.

The concern has been voiced in both official forums as well as in meetings over the past few months to review Israel's defense and diplomatic strategy.

"There were many people who began voicing doubts about Israel's long-term viability and staying power," said Uzi Arad, a former senior government official and director of the Herzliya-based Institute of Policy and Strategy, which organized the conference....

A former senior Mossad official and diplomatic adviser to then-Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, Arad has organized the nation's first strategic conference. The three-day conference which begins on Tuesday night, includes appearances by Prime Minister Ehud Barak, Netanyahu, and leaders of the military and defense communities....

A report prepared by the conference and commissioned by the Defense Ministry urges that Israel boost its air power and missile defense to confront the increasing prospect of a multi-front and multi-level war. The report says Israel faces a war that could begin with a low-intensity conflict and build into a war that would include enemy missile and nonconventional weapons attacks....

The report recommends that Israel focus on air power and missile defense to deter its enemies and respond to any attack. It also urges policy-makers to seek Israel's participation in a pro-U.S. alliance similar to that formed in the 1991 Gulf war....

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'Lost City' found on Atlantic floor, By David Whitehouse, 12-14-00
Vast towers of mineral deposits have been discovered in the middle of the Atlantic.

The "spires" were formed from deposits laid down by mineral-rich hot waters gushing up through rocks on the ocean floor. They are in a new type of hydrothermal vent field.

Researchers diving in the mini-sub Alvin were so astonished by the scale and beauty of the field they have dubbed it the Atlantic's "Lost City"....

"These structures, which tower 55 metres (180 feet) above the seafloor, are the largest hydrothermal chimneys of their kind ever observed," said Deborah Kelley, a University of Washington geologist who was part of the expedition....

The researchers say that the most surprising aspect of the new find is that the venting structures are composed of carbonate minerals and silica, unlike most other mid-ocean-ridge hot-spring deposits which are formed by iron and sulphur-based minerals....

The Lost City field was discovered unexpectedly while researchers were studying the geological and hydrothermal processes that built an unusually tall, 3,700m (12,000ft), underwater mountain. The region under investigation is 1,600 kilometres (1,000 miles) south of the Azores.

In the area, rocks called serpentinised peridotites, and rocks crystallised in under-seafloor magma chambers, have been uplifted from beneath the seafloor along large faults.

Carbonate minerals seem to dominate the field...

The research vessel Atlantis, the mother ship for the deep-diving submersible Alvin, was used as the base for the underwater expedition.
Russian Scientists Warn Of World-Ending Asteroid Threat, By Kevin O'Flynn. 12-16-00

Russian scientists warned this week that life as we know it could end as early as Monday, if any one of the massive asteroids whizzing through the cosmos should happen to be making a beeline for Earth.

"There is a threat to humanity," said Vadim Simonenko, deputy head of the Institute of Technical Physics.

Simonenko was among the impressive array of experts attending a news conference with a title straight from a 1950s B- movie: "Asteroid Danger: How to Save the Earth From Cosmic Catastrophe."

The conference, held Thursday at the House of Journalists, brought together astronomers, physicists and nuclear experts to urge global cooperation in saving the world from a devastating asteroid collision that could leave millions dead or even wipe out civilization entirely.

With asteroids measuring up to 10 kilometers in diameter and traveling at speeds of up to 20,000 kilometers an hour, Earth would stand little chance if it was hit by a big one.

The Thursday gathering ó including Simonenko, whose institute is a part of the Russian Nuclear Center ó called for the organization of a world body to scour space for incoming objects and destroy any potentially dangerous flying objects with nuclear missiles....

"After a collision with one of these asteroids, there'll be only fragments left of Earth," said Alexander Bagrov, senior scientist at the Institute of Astronomy.

Bagrov added that current technology allows experts to detect incoming objects no earlier than three days ahead of time ó hence the suggestion that the day of reckoning may come as early as Monday.

Bagrov...led the rallying cry of the doom-mongers, telling grim tales of other planets done in by asteroids.

Five billion years ago, he said, the planet Phaeton ó located between Mars and Jupiter, the area where the orbit of most asteroids lie ó exploded into millions of bits after being hit by an asteroid 1,000 meters wide.

"And [Phaeton] was many times bigger than Earth," Bagrov warned. "After a collision with one of these asteroids there'd by only fragments left of Earth."

The asteroid that destroyed Phaeton also went on to cause the demise of life on Mars, when one of the fragments of the shattered planet whacked into Mars, causing it to sink into a grim nuclear winter that killed all life forms and turned it the bright red color it is today....

If an object of more than 10 kilometers in diameter hits the Earth then there's not much chance of anyone surviving, according to a British task force that earlier this year published research on NEOs....

More dangerous are smaller objects of one kilometer or more which could destroy cities, change the climate and cause huge tidal waves all over the Earth.

There are roughly 1,000 such asteroids, roughly half of which have been identified as unlikely to strike the Earth.

***From Marilyn:

I believe that whatever they try, those of Rev. 8:8,10 will strike Earth and destroy civilization as we know it. God has planned 2 Raptures, one Pre-Trib, the other Pre-Wrath. We had better ask Christ to be our Saviour before it is too late.

Jer. 23:18-20 says, "who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it? Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked (the False Prophet, Zech. 11:17). The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider (biyn, understand) it perfectly." Only in the latter days has man known about the asteroid danger.

Someone nice sent me David Levy's book, "Skywatching" for my birthday. It has been great to have something new to read on my many breaks because of my upper R back and R arm hurting so much. I found the following very interesting.

"In 1800, a group calling themselves the Celestial Police came together in Germany to organize a systematic search for the missing planet. They divided the plane of the planets, the ecliptic, into several regions and assigned an astronomer to search each region.

"On January 1, 1801, they were pre-empted by Giuseppe Piazzi of the Palermo Observatory in Sicily, who discovered a starlike object that behaved like a planet. Now called Ceres, this minor planet is in the correct place to satisfy Bode's Law, but, at less than 600 miles (1,000 km) across, it is rather small. On March 28, 1802, the Celestial Police found a second asteroid, now known as Pallas, and later they found Juno and Vesta.

"In more recent times, the pace of discovery has increased, and we now know the orbits of more than 15,000 asteroids."

The planet Phaeton, that Bagrov said, in the article above, was many times bigger than Earth, is called Rahab in Scripture. It belonged to Satan, and I believe that a shard of it will strike Earth on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon?"

Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here (at Babylon), as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (on Rahab), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (he now lives on the asteroid called Wormwood in Rev. 8:11)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."

Actually, Phaeton isn't a bad name; it just isn't scriptural. Ovid wrote of the mythological Phaethon. In Book II of Metamorphoses, he told of Phaethon being tossed out of the Chariot of the Sun to drown in Eridanus. That constellation is a river of fire that represents Hell. It runs a long way down and ends near the South Celestial Pole.

Since mythological religions were Satan's counterfeit religions, sometimes the truth will shine through in spite of his twisting it. In reality, Satan/Lucifer/Devil was tossed out of Rahab, his chariot that orbited the Sun, and he will eventually be tossed into Hell's fire. Rev. 20:10 says, "the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

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Im sorry, but you must be mis-understanding what I sent. I never said a Tribulation has begun. I just dont believe that there "is" a tribulation. I believe that there is a "Great Tribulation" that lasts 3 1/2 years, Im basing this on scripture, it tells us that midway through the "Covenant" the ac breaks off the peace treaty with Israel, and that the Great Tribulation starts at the abomination of desolation. The time of Jacobs Trouble and Daniels 70th week do "not" mean tribulation. 7 year tribulation does not appear in the bible. 3 1/2 year great tribulation does...Also, the book of Obadiah somewhat proves that we are in Jacobs Trouble...
The Eagles Nest habatation amongst the stars is non other than the National Space Station. Jacobs Trouble is Israel in trouble... and that is what we are seeing.

Here is my scenario.... take it with a grain of salt, but look to scriptures in Obadiah, Daniel, and Revelation....The Covenant has nothing to do whatsoever with The Time Of Jacobs Trouble in my opinion. The "Great Tribulation" ONLY starts 3 1/2 years AFTER the signing, or confirmation of the 7 year peace treaty.. Daniels 70th week is on a Different Time Clock in my opinion...Here is a scenario that fits perfectly, as I have posted it before... September 13th, 7 good years ended. September 30th, 7 bad years begins, known as Daniels 70th week, and the Time of Jacobs Trouble, NOT any Tribulation....

Then, sometime between December 22 and December 29th, the Rapture occurs. Between the Rapture and the Signing of the Peace Deal, the 2 witnesses start ministering on earth and instructing the 144,000. 3 1/2 years FROM THE RAPTURE which could be on or near passover 2004 I believe, the Abomination of Desolation would occur. Then 3 years and a few months later on Rosh Hashana 2007, the Second Coming of Christ starts, and lasts 1 week, and he sets foot down on the mount of olives on Yom Kippur 2007.

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Thanks for clarifying your position. What you sent was not written by you. It was the file you sent me: Epilogue to “God’s Timeline…” By; Phil Rogers ( Since it is very long, maybe you don't realize what all he said, and maybe you don't agree with him on all points.

Here are a few things Phil said that I disagree with, my comments are marked ***.

1. "the expectant Bride of Christ has nothing to do with the Feasts of the Lord that God gave to the nation of Israel."

***I think the Rapture will be on Pentecost. In Heb. 12;23 we are come unto the "GENERAL ASSEMBLY" in Heaven. "GENERAL ASSEMBLY" is "panegurei," a FESTAL assembly (Thayer).

2. “church” (called out ones). You are asking, are they the "First fruits" of them that slept? No! Christ being the first fruits is the only one raised from the dead to a permanent glorified body."

***Christ is THE Firstfruits. However, we are the "FIRST of the firstfruits" (Ex. 23:19) to be Raptured in the next rank (I Cor. 15:23) in the First Resurrection. Even the 144,00, the last rank, are "FIRSTFRUITS unto God and to the Lamb" (Rev. 14:4).

3. "Was Pentecostal then, as some claim, the "birth of the church". I think that I have proven otherwise. If not, let me restate it. Read Acts 1+2:1-5 carefully. In Chapter 1 verse 8, it states "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you". What were they receiving? Power-not salvation unto being "Born again".

***I think the church as the Body of Christ was born on Pentecost in 30 AD. They did receive power, but the Holy Spirit also bound them together into one body.

4. "Satan (the father of lies and darkness) can transform himself into an angel of light (2nd Cor. 11:14), His antichrist and False prophet could very well be fallen angels of his, transforming themselves into angels of "Light".

***I think these 2 beasts are men, but Satan possesses the False Prophet.

5. "As it was in the days of Noah", the earth was changed by the flood! The mantle was broken up and the fountains of the deep came forth. The separation of the continent's happened at this time."

***Gen. 10:25 says, "Peleg; for in his days was the earth divided." That was 100 years after the Flood.

6. "(I believe) that we are in " Daniel’s 70th week"-"time of Jacob's trouble".

***I think Daniel's 70th week will start on Pentecost, 2001. I believe the "time of Jacob's trouble" is one literal day, the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Dan. 12:1,2 says, "at that time (when the False Prophet shall come to "his end," Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (day of Jacob's trouble), SUCH AS NEVER WAS since there was a nation even to that same time (it is the Day of God's Wrath): and at that time (Pre-Wrath, but barely) thy people shall be delivered (Rapture 2), every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake"

7. "So, that leaves me with "Hanukkah". Now Hanukkah- has nothing to do it with the people of Israel! "

***To me, Hanukkah has nothing to do with the Gentiles. Israel was rededicating her temple.

8. "This "transition period" is no different than any other transition from one dispensation to another. The most easily seen example of this is in the dispensation of grace (by the death burial and resurrection of Christ) being started, and Israel still being a nation until 70 A.D. In other words, God was starting one and ending the other. But they did "overlap"! This is also why the Church can (and I believe is) be in the "BEGINNING" of the time of Jacob's trouble-70th week of Daniel! God is finishing up His dealings with the "Church" and is also directly dealing with National Israel."

***I can go along with a time of transition, but not that we are already in the 70th week of Daniel or the time of Jacob's trouble.
You wrote:
> > 7 year tribulation does not appear in the bible. 3 1/2 year great tribulation does...

Since the last half of the 70th week is the "great tribulation" (Mt. 24:21), it follows that the first half of the 70th week is the tribulation. Lev. 26:28 tell us what will happen if Israel walks contrary to the LORD. It says, "Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you SEVEN TIMES for your sins." Seven times represents 7 years (Rev. 12:6,14). If the shortened tribulation is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), then it has to be more than the 1260 days of the original Great Tribulation. Because the Great Tribulation is shortened, the first half of the Tribulation lasts 1260 days (Rev. 11:5), and the last half is only 1040 days (1260 + 1040 = 2300).

> > Also, the book of Obadiah somewhat proves that we are in Jacobs Trouble....The Eagles Nest habatation amongst the stars is non other than the National Space Station.

Edom mean red, Satan's color. Obad. 1:3,4 is talking to Satan. It says, "The PRIDE (Satan's downfall) of thine heart hath deceived thee, thou that dwellest in the clefts of the rock, whose habitation is high (on the asteroid Wormwood); that saith in his heart, Who shall bring me down to the ground? Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD."

Satan is cast down to Earth Mid-Trib, then I think his home is cast down to Earth on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:13,14) of the Tribulation.

> > Between the Rapture and the Signing of the Peace Deal, the 2 witnesses start ministering on earth

The 2 witnesses prophesy during the first 1260 days (Rev. 11:3). As soon as the False Prophet takes the reins of World Government and World Church, he marches to the temple and sits there "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He evidently orders all to worship the image. The witnesses refuse, and he kills them.

> > 3 1/2 years FROM THE RAPTURE which could be on or near passover 2004 I believe, the Abomination of Desolation would occur. Then 3 years and a few months later on Rosh Hashana 2007, the Second Coming of Christ starts, and lasts 1 week, and he sets foot down on the mount of olives on Yom Kippur 2007.

I'm with you until you set the Second Coming on Rosh HaShannah, Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets, in 2007. There are 7 months for the Jews to bury the dead between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent (Eze. 39:13,14). Agape

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Thank you for acknowledging that Mt 13:39,40 and Mt 13:30 and Mt 13:41,43 and Rev 14:14-19 are all reference to the pre wrath rapture. This was one of the issues I had brought up in our previous discussions on wheat and barley before, where I was proclaiming that the reapers here are the angels sent by the LORD. The LORD himself comes for the pre trib rapture group, the Bride, the Firstfruits in the rank. I was motivated to calculate how long 150 days would be from November 15th of 2000. This was our day of Noah being in the ark when the rain started. The Bible says the stay in the ark was 150 days. What I came up with was the last day of the triple Feasts of the spring, April 14th of 2001. You will have to excuse me for once again going into my Barley crusade yet once again, but this is the Firstfruit of those Feasts.

Now I read on the newsnet that the elections in Israel are going to be between March and May. How interesting that April is being described. Now for something that only you and my closest Spirit Filled Believers would understand me saying. I know for a fact that I have been shown prophecy several times in the last several years. I knew Mr. Barak would win the election before the process barely was under way in Israel. I knew that Mr Bush would be the President long before they published polls prior to the election. You know what is interesting? I draw totally blank on who would succeed Mr. Barak, or who would succeed Mr. Bush, should an "event" remove him from office. I am intrigued by this, because it is very different than what I have been shown in the past. At this point in time, my conclusion is that I don't have to be shown, because I won't be here to see either of the successors take office. Once again, if the elections were held in Israel around the Spring Feasts, perhaps we would not be here on April 14th of 2001. Agape

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> > I was proclaiming that the reapers here are the angels sent by the LORD. The LORD himself comes for the pre trib rapture group, the Bride, the Firstfruits in the rank.

I agree about the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It takes place soon after this age ends and the millennial Day of the Lord starts at 6 PM. The asteroids hit at noon on that Feast of Trumpets, so it looks like the Tribulation saints have to be caught up between 6 PM and the following noon. When Mt. 13:39 says, "The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world (aion, age); and the reapers are the angels," there is no way around it.

On that day, "he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other" (Mt. 24:31). These are the Pre-Trib saints that were caught up previously to meet the Lord in the air (I Thess. 4:13-18). Mk. 13:27 shows that this gathering in Heaven is linked to the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of heaven" (the Pre-Trib saints that were caught up previously.

We know that the "reapers are the angels," but, do they take the Tribulation saints to meet Christ in the air? This is when the smoke is rolled aside like a scroll and Christ is seen in the heavens sitting on his throne (Rev. 6:16,17; Mt. 24:30). Rev. 14:14-16 says, "I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man (Christ), having on his head a golden crown (this Feast of Trumpets is his Coronation Day), and in his hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped."

I think Pentecost has a better chance of being the time of the Rapture than Apr. 14, because of the green figs and firstripe grapes. Agape

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