Pro and Con 662

Posted 12-27-00

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I was pleasantly surprised to see the banner headline on the Drudge Report all day on Christmas that said "CHRISTMAS RAINBOW APPEARS OVER HOLY LAND" with a beautiful photo and a reference to a Reuters story....It is interesting to peruse the articles that are being carried on Christmas Day as the rainbow appeared. Marilyn, for your convenience, I have attached the JPEG of the rainbow over Bethlehem. Thought you might want to use it. A prophetic word came forth in our church before the U.S. elections that we would have a God-fearing President of the United States and that God was making maneuvers in the political realm of the U.S. I believe that this Christmas Rainbow is a sign that He is in control in the Holy Land as well. God Bless

Thanks. Israel cancelled the celebrations at Bethlehem this year because of the violence in the land, but God celebrated the conception of Y'shua with a rainbow over Bethleham, the place of his birth on the Feast of Trumpets, the Jewish New Year, 280 days later. Miraculously, the sky outside the rainbow is darker blue than the sky inside the arc.

That reminds me that when Ed and I drove in the inner right end of a gorgeous rainbow over Moreno Valley, CA, 1-26-99, it was a double bow with darker sky between the bows and lighter outside above and inside the lower bow. God is showing us that these are his bows, as Gen. 9:13 says, "I do set MY BOW in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth." This is the Noahic Covenant. One of the elements is that "the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh" (Gen. 9:15). In the Flood, Noah was raised up above the Earth by water, a symbol of the Holy Spirit. That raising up symbolized the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The rainbow over Bethlehem (house of bread) reminds us that Jesus said, "as the days of Noe (rest) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be" (Mt. 24:37). The time of the Rapture is near. I think it will be "at hand" next Ascension Day, May 18, 2001.

The Revelation of Jesus Christ is written as if the Rapture is "at hand." I now think it is written as if Jesus' vantage point from which to view the churches and the Tribulation is Ascension Day 2001, 10 days before I expect the Rapture on Pentecost. Therefore, in Rev. 2:10 (Green's Interlinear)Jesus told the church of Smyrna, "Do not at all fear the things which you ARE ABOUT TO SUFFER, Behold! The devil is about to throw some of you into prison so that you may be tested. And you shall have TEN DAYS OF TRIALS. Be faithful. to death, and I will give you the CROWN of life."

Crowns will be awarded at the Rapture. In Rev. 3:10 (Green), Jesus says to the Philadelphians, "Because you kept the word of My patience, I also WILL KEEP YOU OUT OF THE HOUR OF TRIAL (the Tribulation) WHICH IS ABOUT TO COME (10 days later) on the whole world to try those who live on the Earth. Behold! I come quickly! Hold fast that which you have so that no one may take your CROWN." Agape

Just found out, my birthplace has a connection with Israel "Terre Haute has an interesting connection with the present state of Israel, the seeds of which were planted during World War I. After hostilities had cut off Britain's supply of acetone, an ingredient in explosives, the Russian-born chemist Dr. Chaim Weizmann developed a synthetic product for the British Admiralty. One of the major producers of the synthetic acetone was located in Terre Haute. For Weizmann's war effort the British government issued the Balfour Declaration (1917), a basis for creation of the modern nation of Israel. The moneys Weizmann received in royalties for the Terre Haute plant, Commercial Solvents Corporation, which held exclusive patent rights, helped Weizmann in 1948 realize his dream of establishing a state of Israel. He became its first president." We left Terre Haute, IN, in my first year of High School. At that time, the distinctive smells of Commercial Solvents and the brewery still permeated the city. I met Ed in Kingsport, TN. We both lived in staff quarters at HOW, Holston Ordinace Works. Mom and Dad moved back to Terre Haute after Dad, the Safety Engineer, put HOW to sleep after WW II ended.

Ancient relics bring 'healing' to Kurds

Artifacts linked to Noah's Ark claim miraculous powers
KARABALA, Turkey -- In the shadows of Mount Ararat, thought by many to be the resting place of Noah's Ark, many Kurdish people cling to what have been described as healing properties of ancient relics linked to the fabled seafaring vessel.

The mysteries of the fabled relics is almost as brilliant, glorious and elusive as the secrets of the Ark itself. According to some area residents, items taken from or made from the gopher wood thought to have been used by Noah to build the Ark have manifested miraculous powers -- healing powers, the locals say, that have offered hope to the sick and distressed in this region troubled by war, earthquakes and ethnic discord....

In his authoritative "The Antiquities of the Jews," compiled in 100 A.D., Josephus writes: "The Ark landed on a mountaintop in Armenia. The Armenians call that spot 'The Landing Place,' for it was there the Ark came safe to land, and they show relics of it even today. Persons carry off pieces of the bitumen which they use to make talismans."

The story continues that when Jacob continued his climb and then slept again, he woke up and found himself back at his original starting point. Many today believe this meant that angels had flown him back down the mountain while he slept. This process was repeated several times, as Jacob continued to climb, fearing that he was losing his mind. Eventually, an angel is said to have appeared to Jacob, insisting that he abandon his quest to find the Ark. The angel then gave Jacob a piece of the gopher wood from Noah's Ark and said that the Ark would not be uncovered until the end of the world.

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SAN FRANCISCO - The rock and dust kicked up by a fallen asteroid 65 million years ago were not enough to kill the dinosaurs...but the debris may have sparked a deadly global chemical reaction in the atmosphere.

New studies show the Chicxulub impact crater on the coast of Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula is smaller than once thought, making dinosaur extinction difficult to explain completely. Researchers presented those findings Sunday at the American Geophysical Union's fall meeting....

My reply

Thanks. It looks like the Pacific Basin is too big for them to consider. It covers nearly half of this planet. That could be mind-boggling to contemplate. Agape

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***From Marilyn: I had answered version I, so it has taken quite a bit of time to try to take my comments out of that and put them in version III. Forgive me if they don't fit as well now.

From CAPS: Please read the following and judge for yourselves. God says this:
46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Notice that God "declares the END from the BEGINNING." This is telling us one of the most important factors in trying to figure out what and WHEN the end time events will occur is by understanding the "beginning."

When will man be perfected? When will man be glorified ? Look back at the beginning in Genesis. Some have said there is going to be a "gap" between the end of the 6000 years and the start of the Millenium. I tell you on the authority of God's Word -- that is not going to happen.

***As I see it, the 6000 years ended in 5758 (1997/1998). Elijah has not yet come. The millennial Day of the Lord cannot come until after Elijah comes. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD." Therefore, there seems to be a gap.

Man was created in the IMAGE OF GOD on the 6th day. The timing of this is indicated to be toward the End of the 6th day by the way events are recorded in the text in Genesis chapters 1 and 2. We MUST remember that on the 6th day, toward the end of the day, just before the Sabbath , that MAN WAS CREATED IN THE IMAGE OF GOD. He was in His image in SPIRIT , SOUL, AND BODY. HIS BODY WAS IN A GLORIFIED STATE. Adam lost this Glory when he fell. The WHOLE PURPOSE OF GOD IS TO RESTORE THE GLORY TO MANKIND THAT WAS LOST!! For it is written, "All have sinned and fallen short of THE GLORY OF GOD." God also says : "AS SURELY AS I LIVE THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE FILLED WITH MY GLORY!"

This message is not mine. If this does not "prime your pump , then the well has run dry."

What am I getting to ? Just this :


***From Marilyn: Not written in the beginning, but written approx. BC 712, Isa. 46:10 says, "DECLARING the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done." That is just a bit different from "IT WILL BE IN THE END AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING." Isn't the first DECLARATION of an endtime prophecy found in Gen. 3:15? It says, "I WILL put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it SHALL bruise thy head, and thou SHALT bruise his heel." It shall bruise thy head will be fulfilled as soon as this Age ends and the millennial Day of the Lord begins. Zech. 11:17 says, "Woe to the idol shepherd (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) that leaveth the flock! the sword shall be upon his arm, and upon his right eye: his arm shall be clean dried up, and his RIGHT EYE shall be utterly darkened."

Man will be RESTORED TO THE IMAGE OF GOD AT THE END OF THE 6TH DAY. That is, at the closing of the 6th Millenium, just BEFORE IT ENDS-- JUST AS IN GENESIS CHAPTERS 1 & 2 . Why ? Because a DAY IS AS A THOUSAND YEARS .SEE II PETER 3:8

***I spent a lot of time researching and figuring Bible Chronology. As far as I can tell, the 6000th year was 5758 (1997/1998), the 480th year of the Modern Parallels (5278 + 480 = 5758).

You see, God is going to FILL THE TEMPLE WITH HIS GLORY !! We are and have been "built up a holy habitation FOR THE SPIRIT TO INDWELL." In order for that to happen , and just as it happens, we will receive the GLORY IN OUR BODIES THAT ADAM LOST. "The Lord whom you seek SHALL SUDENLY COME TO HIS TEMPLE."

Yes, there will be a RAPTURE --- but not as we have thought of. You see God is coming down FROM HEAVEN TO HIS CHURCH. HIS GLORY IS GOING TO FILL THE TEMPLE.

***At the Rapture, the Lord is coming in the clouds. We will "be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air" (I Thess. 4:17).


***We are already inhabited by the Spirit of God. The last person can be inhabited in the same way we are.

Now don't pick up stones, just yet. When we are Glorified, we will be in another dimension, a heavenly one. I can prove that this will occur at the time of the GREAT SHAKING mentioned in Hebrews ch. 12. It will also occur at the same time of the "saints receiving the KINGDOM" mentioned in Daniel ch. 7. Be careful reading that chapter , because it is written on 2 levels, one happening on earth in the physical realm and another happening in the heavenly realm, or the spiritual dimension.

***Dan. 7:25-27 says, "he (Satan in the False Prophet) shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints (Tribulation saints) of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his (Satan's) hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (i.e., the end of the full 2520-day Tribulation). But the judgment shall sit (the Judgment of the Nations), and they shall take away his (Satan's) dominion (that he wrested from Adam), to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given TO THE PEOPLE OF the saints of the most High."

We, including myself, have tended to separate the 2 "places" of earth and heaven. However, when we are changed at the last trump we are entering another realm---a spiritual one. We will be able to transcend time and space as we know it.

God is sending Jesus TO His church, his Body. "For this reason shall a Man (Jesus) LEAVE his father (God the Father) and ... cleave unto his wife (the CHURCH)." JESUS IS LEAVING HEAVEN TO COME TO HIS WIFE.


***I think the 6000 years is already completed and that this Age will end as the Millennium begins on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:13,14) of the 7-year Tribulation, probably on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

Genesis chs. 1&2 PROVE THIS. Man was created in the IMAGE OF GOD ON THE 6TH DAY BEFORE THE SABBATH. THERE WAS NO GAP. READ GENESIS 1&2 and see if you read about a gap. THERE IS NO GAP RECORDED THERE, BRETHREN !! Daniel ch 7 shows that this "receiving of the Kingdom" is going to happen in the same parallel time as the 10 horns and when they are overcoming the earthly saints. You will have to read that chapter with your spiritual eyes OPEN to understand it. Read the last half of that chapter with these thoughts in mind. THIS MEANS WE WILL BE GLORIFIED BEFORE THE TRIBULATION AS PER REVELATION 3:10. THE LAST 3 1/2 YEARS OF THIS AGE IS THE ENDING OF THE 6TH DAY AND IS THE TRIBULATION PERIOD. Remember the Altar must be cleansed. We will be " RECEIVING A KINGDOM THAT CANNOT BE SHAKEN." This is recorded in Hebrews ch. 12.

We are going to MEET THE LORD in the air as I Thes. ch 4 shows . However that word in the Greek means to "meet and escort back to the destination." The word is used in the following verses:( It is Strong's # 529 and is used only in the following verses in the New Testament.)

***Strong says of "apantesis," a (friendly) encounter:--meet, from "apantao," to meet away, i.e., encounter. Thayer says of "epi apantesin," a meeting, to meet one. Young says for a meeting. Where do you get "and escort back to the destination"?

Mt 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mt 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom COMES ; go ye out to meet him.
ACTS 28:15 And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage.(Notice they came out to meet Paul and to escort him back.)
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The last 2 Days started at the Crucifixion.

***I think the last 2 days started in BC 3, when the wise men brought the child, Jesus, gifts that showed that he is the King of kings (gold), Lord of lords (frankincense), and Redeemer (myrrh, bitterness).

***I don't think the Lord is returning to Earth as the Tribulation begins, so I believe the destination at the Rapture is Heaven, as promised in Jn. 14:2-4. Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And whither I go ye know (we know the name of the planet that is Heaven, as they did in 30 AD), and the way ye know." To believe in Christ is the way to get a ticket for the ride, but more than this, we know the way to Heaven. Our spacecrafts have approached it to take pictures and I think Cassini is on the way there now, scheduled to arrive in 2004.

Remember the Hallel Psalms that were sung at that time. One of the verses says " This is THE DAY which the Lord has MADE." Evidently, Psalm 118 was sung as one of these Hallel Psalms. In Psalm 118:24 it even says:

"THIS IS THE DAY THAT THE LORD HAS MADE...."The time of the Passover called for these Psalms to be sung after the meal. It is highly probable that Jesus and His disciples sung this Psalm and this verse after taking the Passover for the last time and just before His Crucifixion. Truly, Jesus was about to "make a New Day."

Also, notice that Psalm 118:22-23 alludes to the fact that it was at that time that the FOUNDATION STONE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT TEMPLE WAS LAID....JESUS. NOTICE:

118:22 The stone which the builders refused is become the head stone of the corner.

***The corner refers to Earth. In the Tabernacle, the 10 widths of fabric making up the covering represented the original 10 planets, including Rahab that split apart and formed our Asteroid Belt. The width that folded over the back corner of the Tabernacle was the one that represented Earth. Christ is to become the head stone of Earth.

118:23 This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes.

That was the start of the 5th day. These days are measured by 360 days per year.

Here is why I believe these years are measured in 360 day periods. These 2000 years are the Times of the Gentiles. During this period the gospel will be going primarily to the Gentiles. The LAST 3 1/2 years of this period is measured by 360 day periods as shown in Revelation chapters 11, 12,& 13 . Rev. 11 shows that the Gentiles CONTINUE to trample under foot the Temple area for the last part (3 1/2 years) of this period---the TIMES OF THE GENTILES. If any part of the period is measured by this method , then ALL of it must be measured the same way. Also "as it was in the DAYS of Noah, so shall it be in the Days (the last 2 days) of the coming of the Son of Man." In Genesis chs 7 & 8, comparing ch . 7:11 with 8:4 and then comparing those vesres to 7:24 it is clear that in "those days...the days of Noah.." time was measured by 360 day periods.

***Are you consistent? If so, tell me when the 6000 years will be up measured by 360-day years? How many years did Adam live? How old was Noah at the Flood? How many years did the Israelites spend in the wilderness? How many years did it take to build Solomon's temple? How many years did it take to build the temple when Herod rebuilt it? How old was Jesus when he was baptized?

***Are you obeying God? Did God say to use 360-day years, or did he say, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and LET THEM BE FOR signs, and for seasons, and for days, and YEARS" (Gen. 1:5).

***I don't use 360-day years, and things seem to come out right. I disagree with Sir Robert Anderson's Crucifixion date figured with 360-day years. Martin Anstey found an 82-year mistake in the commonly accepted era of the Persian kings. 536 - 82 = BC 454, the 1st year of Cyrus (Isa. 44:28; II Chron. 36:23; Ezra 2:64). 483 - BC 454 + 1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD for the Crucifixion.

***That agrees with Eze. 4:6's forty years for the iniquity of the house of Judah. 30 AD + 40 = 70 AD, when Jerusalem and the temple were burned. This agrees with the Israelites being in the wilderness 40 years while one generation died off. It agrees with Mt. 23:36, where Jesus told the Pharisees, "Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did. 30 AD + 40 = 70 AD.

Again, we have the principle that God "Declares or tells the END FROM THE BEGINNING." Also in Luke 21: 24 it says:
21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled

Notice that Jesus says that during the time known as the Times of the Gentiles that three items are mentioned as identifying this period. They are:
1) Jerusalem
3) By the GENTILES

Compare this verse which is referring to the ENTIRE period to the verse which describes the last 3 1/2 years of the period. Revelation

11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
Notice once again the same 3 elements mentioned...the holy city(Jerusalem)...they will TREAD IT UNDER FOOT...they being the GENTILES.

The LAST 2 days end on 2004.5. The Tribulation is 3.5 years. Subtracting the 3.5 years indicates the year 2001 is the year of the Rapture or Glorification of our bodies. GLORY!!

***I think the 70th week of Daniel is the Tribulation. Dan. 9:27 says, "And he (the False Prophet) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (1 week of years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years into the Tribulation) he (the False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease."

***This fits Dan. 8:13,14: "How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (the Jews sacrifice the 1st 1260 days), and the transgression of desolation (Mid-Trib), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (the end of the shortened latter half of the Tribulation); then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." (when Jesus is on Earth).

***The latter half of the Tribulation is the Great Tribulation. These are the days that are to be shortened. Mt. 24:21,22 says, "then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days (the Great Tribulation) should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

***There are the 1260 days/42 months/3.5 years that the Beast rules (Rev. 11:5; 11:3) and the 1260 days that the False Prophet rules (Rev. 12:6). The latter 1260 days is called "a time, and times, and half a time" (3.5 years) in Rev. 12:14 and in Dan. 12:7.

***Dan. 7:24,25 says, "he (the False Prophet) shall be diverse from the first (the Beast, i.e., the Pope), and he shall subdue three kings (of the 10). And he shall speak great words against the most High (Christ), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time" (until the latter 1260 days ends). After that, dominion will be taken from Satan, and Armageddon will break out. God Bless. CAPS

***This agrees with Lev. 26:28: "Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times (i.e., 7 years) for your sins."

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While I was in prayer last night, I asked the Lord if he could help me to help others more clearly understand the approximate time-frame of his return. I immediately felt an awsome sensation and knew at that moment that the Holy Spirit was tugging at my heart. I suddenly knew that it was extremely important to more closely read and understand the parable of The Barren Fig Tree in Luke 13:6-9.

After rereading the parable very closely several times, keeping in mind that the tribulation is most likely to start around Pentecost 2001, I saw the Lord's Patience and His tarrying in a whole new light.

Luke 13:6-9 NAS: A certain man (Christ) had a fig tree (Israel) which had been planted in his vinyard; and HE CAME LOOKING for fruit on it, and did not find any (Pentecost 2000). And he said to the vinyard keeper (Our Father's Loving Patience), Behold, for three years (Pentecost 1998, 1999, 2000) I HAVE COME LOOKING for fruit on this fig tree without finding any. Cut it down! Why does it even use up the ground? And he answered and said to him, Let it alone, sir, for this year too (Pentecost 2000 Pentecost 2001), until I dig around it and put in fertilizer (Many Jews witnessed to in the final year); and if it bears fruit next year (Pentecost 2001), fine, but if not, cut it down (The Rapture of the Church Saints on Pentecost 2001, followed by the beginning of The Tribulation).

Could the Lord be tarrying to Rapture the church saints right up to the very last possible second?? If you think about it, wouldn't that be reflective of Our Loving Savior's Grace and Patience with His children, to wait until the very last possible moment?? My heart tells me YES!

Hoping that you can help shed more light on these questions within this parable, Your Friend in Christ Jesus

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Re: P&C 659 page 7 of 8. Why don't we pray for a botanist to cross our paths, or at least someone who can point us the right direction on fig trees, olive trees, and grapes. It is interesting that you in California are roughly the same latitude as Israel. There is a fair amount of stuff I found from sources in California Agriculture postings about these trees, vines, and plants. I would like to confirm that a fig tree is indeed the "backwards" tree of the trees. It definitely has fruit first, then leaves. Makes me think that we are the fruit, taken away, then all that remains is leaves. I also want to confirm that tender grapes are the flower buds, which are before the grapes. That I am sure of too. We are on a fruitful track here, if you will pardon my humour. May we both have passed our final birthday. Father, I pray that Marilyn and Ed shall be delivered from the infirmities of physical ailment by the Power of the LORD Jesus Christ, In Jesus' name I pray, Amen. Agape to you and Ed

My reply

I agree with your prayers, but botanists learn from books. Books are available in libraries, the most detailed might be found in college libraries. My friend sent me the piece on figs from a book he had. I have no reason to doubt what it said, or what Unger's Bible Handbook says. It has for Sivan, "wheat harvest begins on uplands; almonds ripen; grapes begin to ripen." For Tamuz, it says, "Wheat harvest on highest districts; various fruits ripe." For Av, it says, "Principal fruit month--grapes, figs, walnuts, olives, etc.; vintage begins."

Lev. 26:4,5 says, "I will give you rain in due season (from the former, on Tishri 1, to the latter, on Nisan 1), and the land shall yield her increase, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit. And your threshing (wheat) shall reach unto the vintage (Av, Elul, Tishri), and the vintage shall reach unto the sowing time" (Cheshvan, sowing time for barley and wheat, Unger).

Of Nisan 10, Mk. 11:13 says, "seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet." It doesn't narrow it down to that one tree, but "the TIME of figs was not yet."

They left Sinai Iyar 20 (Nu. 10:11). They gathered the quails, Miriam was shut out of the camp 7 days. Then after that, Nu. 13:20 says, "bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes." The feasts of Nisan won't fit this. When you consider the rain, neither the feasts of Tishri nor the ones of Nisan fit. Pentecost fits on all counts as far as I can see. Agape

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Subject: concerning readiness
Does this also apply to the does this apply to them? We speak of being in our white robes, and are all of the dead in white fresh robes...because 2 kinds of people die everyday carnal CHRISTIANS AND UNCARNAL CHRISTIANS. Yet the word says the dead in CHRIST RISE FIRST...ALL OF THE DEAD IN CHRIST...should not the carnal believers who have died and are saved as by fire and have no crowns to lay at the feet of JESUS...SHOULD NOT THEY BE REQUIRED TO COME BACK TO LIFE AND WHITEN THEIR ROBES WITH THE TRIBULATION BELIEVERS? No one ever speaks of this group. I always wonder why.

My reply

> > Yet the word says the dead in CHRIST RISE FIRST...ALL OF THE DEAD IN CHRIST

We can't assume that ALL of the dead in Christ rise at the first Rapture. I Thess. 4:13-18 does not say ALL. I Cor. 15:51,52 is the Pre-Wrath Rapture. All belongs there. The First Resurrection is in ranks. I Cor. 15:22,23 says, "in Christ shall all be made alive. BUT every man in his own order (tagmati, rank): Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming." Christ was the first rank in the First Resurrection He is the seed of the woman (Gen. 3:15) and The Seed of the Firstfruits from the dead. Those that came out of their graves on Resurrection Day and were seen in Jerusalem were the rest of the sheaf offered on the Feast of Firstfruits. We are the next rank, the Tribulation saints are the last rank. The rest of the dead are not resurrected until the end of the Millennium (Rev. 20:5). Agape

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