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Posted 1-6-01-00

ISRAEL AGREES TO RESUME MIDEAST PEACE TALKS Fox News, 1-3-01: "Israel reportedly agreed to President Clinton's proposal to resume peace talks with the Palestinians, just hours after Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat gave his qualified acceptance

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In PC664, someone reported seeing a luminescent, kelly green object about the size of a basketball at arms-length pass through their sky on the 26th of December. They reported that it "looked like a comet (tail and all)." This object disappeared below the tree line after about 2 seconds.

Having studied the heavens for more than a few years, I would venture to suggest that this object sounds like what is known to astronomers as a "fireball." Essentially, this is a larger than usual meteorite. Most meteorites are no bigger than a grain of sand. A fireball may be anywhere from the size of a small rock or pebble to about a meter (about 3 feet) in diameter.

The size of a fireball causes it to take longer to burn up as it enters the atmosphere. Meteorites from asteroids breaking out of the orbital belts between Mars and Jupiter are made up of metals, mostly iron, but many have been observed to have a high copper content. Copper burns with a visible greenish color. Unlike normal meteorites, fireballs usually leave a smoke trail behind them. This would make the entire thing look like a green comet with a tail behind it.

Fireballs are less common than your basic run-of-the-mill meteorite, but they are not uncommon. Many enter the earth's atmosphere each year. The earth is typically hit by the larger ones only 10 to 12 times a year. The smaller ones burn up before reaching the ground. These things are often visiable for many hundreds of miles. They may or may not be accompanied by a sonic boom.

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Re: dates
My wife and I have different views with religion and christianity. But what I want to write about is that time setting with the exact date in mind is wrong. Scripture states that not even the son knows when the time will come. The bible does state that we will know that the time is soon. Still the rapture could be years away. So what should we be doing? Works that glorify God. Witnessing in every way to show and prove to the lost souls in the world living for today. I am looking forward to the coming blessed hope. I pray that you are also.

My reply

You bet I am looking forward to our blessed hope. I have been since before 1960. However, it became urgent for me on June 5, 1968, when I recognized that the Six-Day War was the Sign of the End of the Age. I am trying hard to wake up as many as possible. We are running out of time. The Rapture is drawing nigh. Besides accepting Christ, we all need to wash our feet. Jesus told Peter, "If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me" (John 13:8). We all need to use I John 1:9, confess our sins committed since we accepted Christ, so the Lord can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. If we don't do that, and therefore bring all sins committed since we accepted Christ under the blood, we could be among the foolish Laodicean virgins that are spued out of Christ's mouth (Rev. 3:16) and left behind to learn our lesson the hard way during the chastisement of the Tribulation (Rev. 3:19). Those in Heaven at the end of the shortened 2300-day (Dan. 8:13,14) Tribulation (probably Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007) will "have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev. 7:14). We can learn our lesson the easy way and be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 4:1; 5:9) or the hard way and be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14), but we will learn.

We have to read scripture very carefully. People read Mt. 24:36, when Jesus said, "of that DAY and HOUR knoweth no man," and somehow think that it said that no man would ever know the day, hour, month or year. Jesus didn't say that, but it translates to that in their minds. They are jumping to conclusions and adding to what it says without realizing it.

Jesus chose his words very carefully. He is both God and man, and can speak as God or speak as man. As God, he knew, he planned the whole thing before this kosmos began. Here, he spoke as man. The word "knoweth" is present tense. His statement was true in the day in which it was stated. Jesus did not say that we would never know. He did not even say that no one knew the YEAR or MONTH then. I think that statement was sort of a delay switch to keep man from trying to figure out the times and seasons before it was possible to do it. After Pentecost in 30 AD, believers have had the "power" (Acts 1:8) to figure out the times and seasons, but until the Sign of the End of the Age appeared in 1967, it was not possible to place end time events on our calendar. The Six-Day War was the clue that dropped the end-time schedule of events into its proper slot in our calendar.

In Mt. 24:3, the disciples asked Jesus what would be the sign of his coming and the end of the age. He answered with the fig tree parable in Mt. 24:32-34. This is the key to understanding, so we need to read it very carefully.

Jesus said, "learn a parable of the fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7); When his branch (klados, scion broken off for grafting, i.e., modern Israel grafted into her old rootstock) is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza Strip, Sinai, Golan Heights, West Bank), ye know that summer is nigh (the Six-Day War started June 5; summer started June 21): So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture, or he, Christ) is near, even at the doors (symbol of the 2 Raptures, Pre-Trib and Pre-Wrath). Verily (Amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation (born in 1967) shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

How long is a generation? In Mt. 23:36, Jesus told the Pharisees in 30 AD, "All these things shall come upon THIS GENERATION." They did, in 70 AD. From the day Jesus came to Bethany (Nisan 8) before presenting himself as King and going to the temple on Palm Sunday (Nisan 9) to Av 10 in 70 AD, when the temple was burned because they did not accept him as King, was 40 years plus another 120 days. Therefore, it seems that we are to count a generation as 40 years plus another 120 days. From Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967), when Israel regained the temple area, to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is 40 years plus another 120 days.

You can accept that or not accept it, but if you don't consider it, you could miss the whole point of Jesus giving us the parable of the fig tree. In it, he answered the disciple's question. It shows us what is the Sign of the End of the Age. Once we recognize that sign, we can understand why Jesus told us so many times to "Watch." We were watching for the Sign of the End of the Age. It was always possible to construct the timing of the Tribulation events, but until we saw the Sign of the End of the Age, we could not give those events dates on our calendar. Jesus emphasized the truth found in the fig tree parable when he said, "Verily, amen, so be it." It is a sure thing.

To me, there is no time after 1967 that the fig tree parable could be fulfilled. In 1967, Israel was already 19, the last year that she could be called young (1967 - 1948 = 19). This was demonstrated for us when the Israelites came out of Egypt. The males 20 and up were counted. Those 19 and under were the young, and not counted.

Once we figure out that this age ends when the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord begins (Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007), we can see where other end-time events are likely to take place. No wonder Jesus kept saying for us to watch. No wonder Prov. 2:2-5 says, "incline thine ear unto wisdom, and apply thine heart to understanding; Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for HID TREASURES; Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God."

In "Mark 13:23, Jesus Christ the LORD said, "take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you ALL things." All the clues we need are in scripture. We just have to hunt for them "as for HID TREASURES."

In Luke 8:17, the LORD said, "NOTHING is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad." In Luke 12:2, the LORD said, "there is NOTHING covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known." In Mark 4:22, the LORD said, "there is NOTHING hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad."

As God, Christ knew when all things were going to happen. The Spirit of Christ was in the Old Testament prophets, prophesying of things to come. Don't miss out on the grace prophesied for you as you search for time clues. I Peter 1:10,11 says, "Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the GRACE that should come unto YOU: SEARCHING WHAT, OR WHAT MANNER OF TIME THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM DID SIGNIFY, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow."

Jesus warned the churches, "If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." Turn it around. What will we know if we do watch? It would then say that if we watch, he will not come on us as a thief, and we shall know what hour he will come upon us. Agape

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I just started visiting your site, per my brother's advice who visits it regularly. I think it is very informative and I really appreciate all the work you have put into it. Thank you!

I was wondering if you had an opinion on how the Pope fits into this? I'm not Catholic, but I do believe the current Pope is a true believer. Do you have any insite on him?

My other question is, as I read your writings, I wonder how did you find out so much about the Jewish calendar? How accurate and reliable is the Jewish calendar? Are there any books that thoroughly explain it?

And I have one more quick question, Is it possible that the tribulation could start the stroke before the 40 year generation has passed, like in 2007? It seems to me that God does things at the very last minute of the day. Like when Jesus came at the very end of the 4th day, what do you think?

If you would like to refer me to certain cells to read, I will read them, you don't have to type your answers again, if you already have addressed these question before. Thank you so much for you time and wisdom. God bless you and your wonderful ministry. In Christ

My reply

Re: the Pope. I don't know who will turn out to be the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10, but I expect him to be the Tribulation Pope. In Rev. 13:6, we can see that the Rapture has already taken place. The Beast blasphemes "THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN." And "power was given him over ALL kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS. And ALL that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb" (13:7,8).

Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (the Pope), he is the head (the king that "is" when the Rapture takes place, the 6th head of the great red dragon, Rev. 17:10); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (tail of the great red dragon). He is the 7th head, but because he is Satan possessed, he is also called the tail. Satan (the tail) is in him. Isa. 9:14 says, "Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head (the 6th head of the great red dragon, the Tribulation Pope) and tail (the Satan indwelt False Prophet)...in one day." I think that day will be Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), exactly 14 years (7 good, 7 bad) to the day after the Oslo Accords were ratified. The 7 good years were up Tishri 1, 5761, and the violence started immediately in Israel.

We can also see that the Rapture has just happened in Rev. 17 when the 6th head is in power. Verse 14 says, "the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that ARE WITH HIM are called, and chosen, and faithful."

Zech. 5:4 gives us some more information on the Beast and False Prophet. It says of the curse, which is the asteroid, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, a thief as Judas Iscariot was), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > how did you find out so much about the Jewish calendar?

I read every book on it I could find in BIOLA's library. There was one book I had out so much my library card number covered just about the whole card in the pocket of the book.

> > How accurate and reliable is the Jewish calendar?

The one they use is the Talmudic calendar. It aligns with our Gregorian very well over their 19-year cycle. The variation is a small fraction. The way the Lord set up the Jewish Calendar assures that in time, it comes out right with the Sun because they must have ripe barley at the Feast of Firstfruits. The calendar cannot lag behind the march of the seasons very much in any year.

> > Are there any books that thoroughly explain it?

The only good one I can remember is "Jewish Calendar Mystery Dispelled: A Systematic Study of the Jewish and the General Calendar Systems," by George Zinberg, published 1963. I learned enough to be able to construct the Jewish year from the 1st new moon when the calendar started. There is John Bond's "Handy-Book of Rules and Tables for Verifying Dates with the Christian Era," published in 1966, but I thought that was the hardest "Handy-Book" to figure out that I ever ran into. He gets into epacts and golden years. I'd check it out at the library at intervals and try to use it, but I couldn't explain epacts and golden years to anyone today.

> > Is it possible that the tribulation could start the stroke before the 40 year generation has passed, like in 2007?

I don't think so. Mt. 24:34 says, "Verily (amen, so be it) I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be fulfilled." Luke 21:32 says, "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till ALL be fulfilled." Mk. 13:30 says, "Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till ALL these things be DONE." Dan. 9:24 says, "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to FINISH the transgression, and to make an END of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY, and to anoint the most Holy" (Christ). I think the Jewish year of 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007 to Sept. 30, 2008) will see all this wrapped up.

We can tell by many scriptures (Mal. 2:3; Joel 1:15:2:1-3) that the last day of the 2300-day shortened Tribulation will end on the Feast of Trumpets (Tishri 1) that is the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. If we know when the last year begins (I think it is Sept. 13, 2007), we need to count backward the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 to see when the Tribulation begins. Counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, where the first date is #1 of a block of days or years, we find that the 70th week of Daniel/Tribulation is likely to start on the Feast of Weeks in 5761 (May 28, 2001). That 2300-day period cannot be shifted one year less or one year more. There is no other time between those 2 feasts 6 years apart that adds up to 2300 days before the 40 years + another 120 days is up. Also, the last year must be a Jewish Leap Year with a 13th month, since there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between Tishri 1 and the following Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). The year 5768 is a Jewish Leap Year....Agape

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"...does anyone know what it means to have the Lord place a 'Holy Mantle' on someone?"

I don't know the answer but thought you would. Sure would like to hear your opinion.

My reply

I don't know. My Bible Plus program didn't find "Holy Mantle" in the KJV.

II Ki. 2:11-15 says, "Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he cried, My father, my father, the chariot of Israel, and the horsemen thereof. And he saw him no more: and he took hold of his own clothes, and rent them in two pieces. He took up also the MANTLE of Elijah that fell from him, and went back, and stood by the bank of Jordan; And he took the MANTLE of Elijah that fell from him, and smote the waters, and said, Where is the LORD God of Elijah? and when he also had smitten the waters, they parted hither and thither: and Elisha went over. And when the sons of the prophets which were to view at Jericho saw him, they said, The spirit of Elijah doth rest on Elisha." It was the Spirit of God that rested on Elisha that caused the miracle, not the mantle itself.

Unger indicates that the prophet's mantle (cloak) was probably a sheepskin that was roughly square with the wool on the outside. Agape

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From India:
Hope you are fine. It is been long since i heard from you. But i do visit the pros and cons daily and download them.

By the way kamini is going to church and is quiet comfortable at the moment. We talk daily using yahoo messenger. She has installed on at her office to since her terminal is online she has added my name to the list. So whenever comeonline she is alerted and i talk with her daily. i am much happy to God for giving me a sister like her. By the way i also now am in love with a nice chineese girl from the same country of kamini. We plan to meet in 2002. She was a broken person. God gave me the oppurtunity to preach the gospl to her. She now believes thanks to God. But yet that could not stop both of us from falling in love. This chineese girl has contacted kamini too. nice huh?

all the grace of God that kamini and my Girl both are now sisters to each other in a fellowship in Christ. i sometimes wipe my own tears away at how things have developed so fast. But yet i continue to tell both of them that Jesus's return is very very near.

kamini and also my girlfriend both live by this hope that jesus will come in soon. AS you make it 2001 they both await me in 2002. i plan to work in malaysia which is booming in information technology and ecommerce perfect place for me to get a good job meet my sister kamini and also be able to be with my girlfriend. But i believe that may not happen as JESUS may return before that.

Thats the way middle east is moving. To tell you the truth how our lives are intertwined with the middle east. Oh yes malaysia does not allow much news from israel to flow in because malaysia hates israel and has no diplomatic ties. its strange as two technologically and economically forward nations of asia dont talk to each other.

Thank God i am not from israel or i would never been allowed to go to malaysia. you do play a big role in the happiness of kamini She has sent you her regards. please pray for me. do tell me any new positive developments which can happen in the middle east? may i ask the roman catholic church does not figure out so well in the talks why ? and also would the russian space station MIR have any role in any disasteri just heard that i can fall out of orbit and crash into some city to casue damage. just asked....

anyway do keep praying. woooosh the sound will come and mrs marilyn will be up up up above the world so high like a diamond inthe sky to be with her lord in all glory along with all the saints and believers...:) that day is coming near. God bless you . oh yes happy birthday its a late birthday wish but still i say it now. God also protect the home from fire ants. it seems you and your husband always have some healthproblems do take care of ur health please ok. I pray for ur family and u always to Jesus.

Do tell jesus not to forget poor me in the rapture..even i want to go up up the world so high like a diamond inthe sky :)) God knows if i wil be able to marry my girl in heaven during rapture :))) hahaha

take care pls and do pray for me kamini and my girl there in malaysia. with lots of love and prayers

My reply

Thanks much for the good news. I am so glad Kamini is ok. Right after I e-mailed her the last time, my server quit offering me a dial up account. They had me DL the free Juno e-mail program, moved to Los Angeles and were down several days. Since they only were going to have an LA phone number (long distance for me) after that, I wasn't going to use them any more for e-mail. However, in my trying to figure out if I could use Outlook Express as my default e-mail program (which I can't do yet), somehow, it dialed up pe. I got something like 236 em ails that had been going to pe even though I put my pe.net address up top on my Web page. Night before last, I did the same thing and got 136 em ails. Most are ads to throw away, but it takes a long time to go through that many even if most are thrown away. I haven't communicated with Kamini since. I pray for you and Kamini, and will add your new friend. I am super thankful that you had em ailed me before Kamini did, so I would know who might be able to understand a girl from India better than I could.

It is great that you have been such a help to two girls in Malaysia. Those are stars in your crown. Thank you Lord for Stephen, who not only planted the seeds but was able to harvest the fruit, and at a distance at that. All the angels in Heaven rejoice over every soul that is saved. They were rejoicing twice that I know of because of your spreading the gospel of Christ. Well done, thou good and faithful servant.

> > do tell me any new positive developments which can happen in the middle east

We know that there will be wars and rumors of wars, but we are not told where they will be. However, I find it interesting that the 7 good years from the ratification of the Oslo Accords on Tishri 1, 5754 ended Tishri 1, 5761 (Sept. 30, 2000). Immediately, the violence increased in Israel and has continued to this day. I think there will be a peace agreement that will be confirmed by the Beast and False Prophet as the Tribulation starts. Arafat accepted Clinton's proposal as a basis to resume talks. Barak said he would if Arafat did. We will have to keep watching as it is played out. I don't know what else might happen there between now and the beginning of the Tribulation.

> > may i ask the roman catholic church does not figure out so well in the talks why ?

I think the Pope may be entrusted with keeping the peace at the last, because people will say, "who is able to make war with him?" (Rev. 13:4). Whether it is this Pope or the next one, I don't know.

> > would the russian space station MIR have any role in any disaster

I don't know of any scripture that would say so....

> > do take care of ur health please ok.

Thanks for remembering my birthday. We are both doing well at present. (Ed started taking a fresh cold last night, though.) Your prayers are appreciated. I will keep you in my prayers too.

Do mention to the girls in Malaysia that any sins committed after they accepted Christ should be confessed to God so all sins are brought under the blood of Christ. I John 1:9 tells us that if we do this, God will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. That is where we need to stand to stay in fellowship with our Holy God. Agape

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Re: Time?
I'm from South-Africa.
The Lord has recently shown me, I think in the book of Daniel, that there would be 70 times 7numbers to the end of the world. This wil be from the day that the word was given to start to rebuild Jerusalem.Thus 7*70years = 539 bc, then the messia would have come.I've checked this to be correct.It follows to say 62*77=4774.To the start of the end.

The Lord also mentions that not even Jesus will now when it will be.For only the father nows? Please reply.

My reply

Dan. 9:24f tells us about the 70 weeks of years that are determined upon Israel. Here is the way I understand it. These are 70 x 7 = 490 years total. They began to be counted in BC 454. I got this date from Martin Anstey's "Romance of Bible Chronology." He found an 82-year mistake in the era of the Persian kings in the accepted chronology. Therefore BC 536 - 82 = BC 454.

In Dan. 9:25,26, there are 7 weeks (7 x 7 = 49) , and 62 weeks (62 x 7 = 434). 49 + 434 = 483 years. 483 years - BC 454 + 1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD, the year of the Crucifixion.

At Pentecost in 30 AD, God's clock stopped for Israel and began for the Church. After the Church is raptured, the 70th week of Daniel will begin. We call this week of years the 7- year Tribulation. I am not predicting, but personally, I expect the Pre-Trib Rapture will take place on Pentecost in 2001. At the Rapture, the 70th week of Daniel should begin. God's clock for Israel is likely to restart on Pentecost, the day it stopped on.

Pentecost is the New Testament term for what is called in the Old Testament the Feast of Weeks. For the 70th week of Daniel to start on the Feast of Weeks seems just like something the Lord would do. That ties the Feast of Weeks in with Daniel's weeks of years and especially with the 70th week of Daniel that we call the Tribulation. Also, the 49-day countdown of the Omer, from the Feast of Firstfruits to the Eve of Pentecost, reminds us of the 490 years in Daniel's prophecy. Why? so we will think of Pentecost in connection with the 490 year prophecy?

The 7-year Tribulation fulfills Lev. 26:27,28: "if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you SEVEN TIMES (years, Rev. 12:6,14) for your sins."

If the first 7 weeks was 7 weeks of years and the last week is 1 week of years, then I think the 62 weeks also refers to weeks of years.

The reason we call the 70th week of Daniel the Tribulation is found in De. 4:29-31. It says, "if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee, even IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them."

Mt. 24:21 mentions the Great Tribulation. It says, "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." The Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years of the 7-year Tribulation.

> > The Lord also mentions that not even Jesus will now when it will be.For only the father nows?

Yes, but God was in Christ. II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Jesus has 2 complete natures, man and God. He can speak as man, or he can speak as God.

As the pre-incarnate Christ, he is the one that gave Moses the 10 commandments at Mt. Sinai. Christ was speaking in Isa. 48:16-18. He is the LORD of hosts, the Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel. He said, "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret FROM THE BEGINNING; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD (the Father), and his Spirit (Holy Spirit), hath sent me (Christ). Thus saith the LORD, thy REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea."

The pre-incarnate Christ was the creator. John 1:3 says, "ALL THINGS were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." He planned all things before this world began. He knows what he planned. He didn't want to tell man all he knows as God. Therefore, there were times that he spoke as man, but even then his wisdom agreed with what he knew as God. He spoke nothing but the absolute truth. He is "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev. 13:8). His sacrifice of himself was planned from the beginning.

As God, he couldn't help but know when everything would happen. As man, he probably could only truthfully say that he did not know the day and hour. He probably knew the year and month. Agape

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