Clinton To Israel: Must Divide Land, By Lawrence L. Knutson. AP NY 1-7-01 - President Clinton told the people of Israel on Sunday that their land is also the Palestinians' homeland and "there is no choice but for you to divide this land into two states for two people."...
"Whether it happens today or after more bloodshed, it will happen," he said....
***From Marilyn: The Lord will have the last word on this. Joel 3:2 says, "I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land."
Jewish law forbids giving up Temple Mount, say rabbis, By JOEL GREENBERG
JERUSALEM 1-6-01 - Israel's chief rabbis claim that Jewish law forbids giving up Israeli sovereignty over the Temple Mount, the plateau in Jerusalem holy to Jews and Muslims that is at the centre of the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians.
The religious ruling on what has been one of the most intractable disputes in negotiations between the two sides was issued by the highest decision-making body of the rabbinate, and increases pressure on Prime Minister Ehud Barak not to surrender Israeli control over the area in any agreement with the Palestinians....
"Jewish law absolutely prohibits handing over any sovereignty or ownership, indirectly or directly, to foreigners on the Temple Mount," said the ruling by the Chief Rabbinate Council. "The sovereignty belongs to the Jewish people."
From the 5doves site, Steve Shackleton (4 Jan)
"U.N. Resolution and the Pope"
7-12-00, Vatican Information Service
U.S. CONGRESS RESOLUTION FAVORS HOLY SEE PRESENCE AT U.N.
"VATICAN CITY: Following is the declaration released today by Fr. Ciro Benedettini, vice director of the Holy See Press Office, on the Resolution by the U.S. Congress favoring the Holy Seepresence at the U.N.: "The Holy See has learned with satisfaction that the Congress of the United States of America on July 11 adopted a Resolution in favor of the presence of the Holy See at the United Nations....
"This Resolution takes on particular significance in that the American Congress not only expresses support for the presence and activity of the Holy See at the United Nations, but recognizes it as a sovereign entity, capable of acting in the international field and, in addition, pays tribute to its contribution in favor of peace and the promotion of human rights."
...Webster defines Holy SEE as the position, authority, or court of the Pope. That suggests another reason for the Beast of Rev. 13:1; 19:20 to come up out of the SEA (nations, Rev. 17:15).
***Note from Marilyn: Thanks to Steve's insight, we can see a neat play on words here, but only in the English, not the Greek. The head of Ecclesiastical Rome is both the Beast out of the SEA and the Beast out of the "SEE." It suggests that the Beast of Rev. 13:1-10 is the Pope right to start with. When we put it together with Rev. 17:10, we can easily see that the 6th head of the great red dragon will be the leader of the 6th kingdom, which is Ecclesiastical Rome. Here are the kingdoms upon which the Mystery Religion of Babylon rides: Babel I, Babylon II, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome (those 5 have fallen), Ecclesiastical Rome (the Beast is the 6th head), and Babylon III (the False Prophet is the 7th head).
President-Elect Bush Leads Teenager to Christ
Koenig's News - The following is from Dennis Lake of the Coalition of Churches prison ministry at Prestonwood Baptist Church, Plano, TX:
There is a man in our church, Jeff Benoit, who has a friend who served on President Elect Bush's campaign in Austin, and she called him to tell this story.
Last week, Gov. Bush appeared at the thank-you banquet for his campaign staff, and was going table to table to shake hands with the 1000+ campaign volunteers. He got to one lady, who by a brief comment she made, indicated she was a Christian. She was with her 16-year-old son. Gov. Bush asked him if he was a believer, too. He said he didn't think so.
Gov. Bush then asked, "Do you mind if I tell you how I came to know Christ as my Savior?"
The boy agreed, and Gov. Bush pulled up a chair and witnessed to him for 30 minutes, and led him in the sinners prayer!! Jeff's friend was so choked up, she could hardly tell the story through tears.
How glorious to know that our new president is a man that doesn't feel the political pressure to glad-hand 1000 people, but would take 30 minutes of his precious time to lead a teenager to Christ.
I hope that you are correct, it would be so nice to see every one whorshippeng the Lord. God be with you. thanks
Satan is cast down to Earth as the Great Tribulation begins Mid-Trib. He goes into the False Prophet and sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God." The sacrificing at the temple stops because he desecrates it and places an idol there. Rev 12:12 says, "Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture is past). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT TIME." These 1260 days will be shortened to 1040 (Dan. 8:13,14) or no flesh would be saved.
At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture (Rev. 17:14), Rev 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (the leaders of these world empires: Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome), and one is (the Tribulation Pope, the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10), and the other (the False Prophet, Rev. 13:11-18) is not yet come; and when he cometh (Mid-Trib), he (the False Prophet) must continue a SHORT SPACE."
On the 2300th day of the 7-year Tribulation (1260 days in 1st half, 1040 days in last part = 2300), a united nations' army will attack Israel (Eze. 38). The Pre-Wrath Rapture of the Tribulation saints will take place. Fury will come up in the Lord's face because the nations dare to attack his land, and the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 will impact Earth (Eze. 18-20). Civilization as we know it will be destroyed, few men left. Yet, there will be a remnant, and all Israel will be saved in that day.
That 2300th day seems to be when Jesus Christ receives his kingdom (Dan. 7:14). He will not only stop the invading army led by Gog, but he will take away those that commit evil. As Solomon, son of David, did, the greater Son of David will purge his kingdom right at its beginning.
The decision to save Israel will be agreed to by the priests in Heaven at the Judgment Seat of Christ that follows the Marriage of the Lamb on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Joel 2:16-18 says, "Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders (done after the Pre-Trib Rapture, Rev. 5), gather the children (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (the Marriage of the Lamb). Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD (said at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and give not thine heritage (Israel) to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land (Israel), and pity his people (the Jews)."
The False Prophet will be deposed from office when the asteroids impact Earth. Satan will come out of him and operate the rest of the full 7 years on his own as the "eighth" of Rev. 17:11.
Seven Jewish months after the catastrophe, Christ will return (Eze. 39:12,13). Soon afterward, the 7 years will be up, and the Judgment of the Nations will take place. Dominion will be taken away from Satan. Those men called sheep in Mt. 25:32-34 will enter Christ's kingdom. Those called goats "shall go away into everlasting punishment" (Mt. 25:46).
Satan will fight his last ditch stand, Armageddon. When that battle is over, there will be peace for the rest of the Millennium. Christ will set up the millennial government. Isa. 9:7 says, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this." Isa. 16:5 says, "in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness."
A bit later on, I think Christ will go back to Heaven and rule from there. We are with him when he comes to Earth, and we are with him when we return to our heavenly home.
David will be put back on his throne. Jer. 30:9 says, "they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will RAISE UP unto them." Eze. 34:23,24 says, "And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the LORD will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the LORD have spoken it." Eze. 37:24 says, "David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them." Eze. 37:25 says, "And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever." Agape
I can see another way that the waterpots could fit too. Aside from the Tribulation trial that comes upon the whole world, man's test seems to cover 7000 years since Adam was cast out of Eden.
The Age of the Gentiles
1st waterpot = 1000 years
2nd waterpot = 1000 years
The Age of the Jews
3rd waterpot = 1000 years
4th waterpot = 1000 years
The Age of the Church
5th waterpot = 1000 years
6th waterpot = 1000 years
Total to here is 6000 years. This + the 2300-day extension starting at Pentecost, 2001, could bring us to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), when I think the Marriage of the Lamb will take place. I expect that to be the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord that fills up the 7000 years.
The beginning and ending of the 2300-day extension would thus be marked by the two Raptures, the Pre-Trib Rapture on the 1st day and the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the last day. The Marriage of the Lamb would take place after the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Of that day, Mk. 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (those caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (those caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).
John 2:1 says, "And the third day there was a marriage in Cana (emulation, imitation) of Galilee (circuit, circle, i.e., the sphere of Heaven); and the MOTHER of Jesus was there." Compare this with Song of Sol. 3:11: "Go forth, O ye daughters of Zion (the Pre-Wrath Rapture of the 144,000), and behold king Solomon (type of Christ, the Son of David) with the crown wherewith his MOTHER crowned him in the day of his espousals (chathunnah, wedding), and in the day of the gladness of his heart." This is Coronation Day, the 1st day of the millennial reign of Christ as the King of kings and Lord of lords, the day of the 2nd Rapture, the day of the Marriage of the Lamb and the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. No other day is like it--ever.
What about the 3rd day in the miracle of the water made wine? If, as I figured, the 6000th year was 5758 (1997/1998), the year 5761 (2000/2001) would be the 3rd year. It would fit the 3 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Lu. 13:6-9 and the "space to repent" of Rev. 2:21. It could also be the time "While the bridegroom tarried" in the parable of the 10 virgins in Mt. 25:5. II Peter 3:9 says, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." What if there are 10 years total added to the 6000, from the Jewish 5758 (1997/1998) to 5768 (2007/2008)? Could that be why there are 10 virgins? Food for thought.
How about the wine? In Lu. 22:18, Jesus said, "I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the KINGDOM OF GOD shall come." On Coronation Day, Jesus receives his kingdom. Dan. 7:14 says, "there was given him dominion, and glory, and a KINGDOM, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his KINGDOM that which shall not be destroyed." Agape
I did want to get your thoughts on two thoughts of mine. The first has to do with our current President, Bill Clinton, who is negotiating a Middle East peace plan. Is it possible that Clinton is the anti-Christ, and that Clinton will become this world leader that many people will falsely pin their hopes of world peace on, only to be led astray and away from Christ? We all know a bit of Clinton's character, and he seems to possess this seductive power over people. A recent comment of the current Pope was interesting, where the Pope said to the effect that Clinton was the one world leader that the Pope had met who did not seem attentive while in the company of the Pope. Interesting. Maybe I'm reading too much into this.
My other thought had to do with the recent escape of 7 inmates in Texas, still on the loose as I type this. I couldn't help think of Revelation Chapter 12, of the seven headed red dragon. The dragon being hurled down to earth after unsucessfully trying to destroy Christ. Revelation says that the dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that he might devour her child the moment it was born. I saw that these escapees brutally murdered a police officer on Christmas Eve. The symbolism to me was the murder of this authority figure on Christmas Eve. Also, how unusual is it for 7 inmates to be able to elude authorities for so long? Could this be the seven headed dragon spreading out on the earth to wreak havoc?
I've wasted enough of your time already. I did want to mention that I saw a very unusual sunset in Albany, NY last Tues. or Wed. It appeared to be a large beam of light coming from the sun, through the clouds, right up into the sky. I thought perhaps it was the sunlight being shone through a break in the clouds, but it did not move or change as the clouds moved. I causually mentioned it in the office the next day, and a co-worker (not the one who has written you, or one that has ever discussed scriptural matters with me) got all excited and went in to great detail describing the same sunset to me. Both of us thought it very unusual, and not easily explained. Marilyn, God Bless You, and keep up the good (and appreciated) work.
I don't think Clinton will be either the Beast or the False Prophet. I expect the Beast to be the Tribulation Pope and the False Prophet to be a Jew, probably of the tribe of Dan. Both will be revealed when they confirm (Dan. 9:27) the covenant at the beginning of the 70th week of Daniel/Tribulation.
The Beast will ride forth on a white horse as a prince of peace. He will be thought to be honorable by the world, but God thinks differently. Isa. 9:13-16 says, "the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts. Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day (the catastrophe on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord). The ancient and honourable, he is the head (the Beast, 6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail (7th head, indwelt by Satan, the tail of the great red dragon). For the LEADERS of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed."
Zech. 5:4 says, "I will bring it ('the curse,' the asteroid that is twice as long as it is wide) forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (the False Prophet, a thief like Judas Iscariot, the only other 'son of perdition'), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Beast, the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."
Rev. 13:4-9 says of the Beast, "they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? (i.e., who can make war with the Pope) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies (claiming to be the Pontifex Maximus, high priest, and the vicar of Christ); and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months (the 1260-day first half of the Tribulation). And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven (i.e., the Pre-Trib Rapture has already happened before he rides forth on the white horse). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (Tribulation saints), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and NATIONS (he is head of the OWG or UN). And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world (he is also head of United Religions). If any man have an ear, let him hear."
> > Could this be the seven headed dragon spreading out on the earth to wreak havoc?
I see no connection.
Some sunsets are unreal. Thanks for sharing this one with me. I can't figure out how the clouds could make some effects, sunset or no sunset. Day before yesterday, most of the clouds in the sky had numerous long tendrils speeding north for a long way and finally swooping upward at the ends like a twirled mustache. One would think someone separated the numerous tendrils with a big-tooth comb. How wind can do that is beyond me. Agape
I have enjoyed this web site since Pro and con 60 something. My faith has never suffered because the rapture did not occur, nor I doubt anyone else's who really had faith in the first place.
His comment --- "Imagine if you will Mary. Someone is sinful their entire life not caring about Heaven or Hell because they know they will be able to ask for forgiveness at the last second because they know when the Rapture will occur." --- is really lame. No one would do that anyway because they know a natural or accidental death could happen at any time prior to the rapture without warning.
My thought on picking a date. Both views are right. You CAN pick the correct day, but you won't know its the correct day until the event actually happens.
Marilyn, you will receive great rewards in heaven for the souls you brought to Christ through this web site. There are lots of them. In Christ, Phil
There are other scriptures that show that we should treat the brethren with love. To me, that includes being courteous and respectful of our freedom to have different opinions from someone else, but not the freedom to try to destroy. I Peter 3:8 says, "Finally, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, love as brethren, be pitiful, be courteous."
There are many verses instructing believers to love one another. To me, that means even if we disagree with others on some things. No two people are alike, and agree on everything. However, we can discuss the pro and cons and all learn thereby. I am teachable. I want to know the truth of what scripture means, let the chips fall where they may. I am human, not God, not even a prophet. I can and do make mistakes. I want to be shown where my mistakes are. I will change my view any day to conform with the scriptures of truth. I am not the guide, the scriptures are. I am just a student, ever seeking to learn. I will share what I have learned, and give my reasons for thinking that way, but I'm just as eager to know what someone else has learned, and why they think that way. I'm constantly sorting information, comparing it with scripture, throwing away the bad and keeping the good.
John was the apostle Jesus loved. John had a lot to say about love. He understood it. I John 3:1 says, "Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not." I John 3:11 says, "For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another." I John 3:14 says, "We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death." I John 3:18 says, "My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth." I John 3:23 says, "this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." I John 4:7 says, "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God." I John 4:8 says, "He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love." I John 4:11 says, "Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another." I John 4:12 says, "No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us." I John 4:16-21 says, " God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love. We love him, because he first loved us. If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen? And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also."
Besides email from believers that want to punch me down, I get email from unbelievers. Here is one that just came in. I will not answer such. They wouldn't listen to a thing I said, so why spin my wheels? They are lost, like it that way, and will unfortunately get their wish. Forever is a long time to be sorry. The other one called me Mary even after I answered with my right name. This one calls me MR. For one that is never wrong, that's funny. He stumbled immediately. He thinks I claim to be a prophet. I don't. At the end, he thanked God for something. How he could do that when he thinks there is no God is beyond me. He says he can't help it if he is always right. Boy, will he have a rude awakening some day. As my mom used to say, "It takes all kinds to make a world."
From: "Right Mike," firstname.lastname@example.org
Dear MR Agee,
How stupid can you be? what happened in 1998? NOTHING!! Why? Because there is no God or Jesus. Or even if there was you could not know when he is going to return you stupid bigoted freak.
Why don't you get off your high hosre of being some kind of prophet and become one of us for a change? Please stop trying to be someone you are not and just be yourself unless being a concieted weirded jackass is who you really are. Where is your God when you really need him in such troubles as we are having now? Why doesn't he just return already you are right about one thing 1998 would have been a good time.
But then again I really don't want to see your disgusting Bible God ever! Thank God I won't have too!
Sincerely, Mike Price
It's not my fault I'm always right!
I thank God for all my email, good, bad or indifferent. I'm just thankful that there are many, many more good than bad and that I have a Delete key. Agape
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