Pro and Con 685

Posted 2-6-01

Correction: I didn't make it clear what I meant on P & C 684. All men inherit a sin nature from their fathers and pass it on to their children. Women inherit the sin nature from their fathers too, but they do NOT pass it on to their children. That's why Jesus was born of a virgin. He did not inherit a sin nature, because he did not have an earthly father.

His human body was similar to Adam's before Adam sinned. Jesus is called the "LAST ADAM," but when his two natures are in view, there are differences. I Cor. 15:45-47 explains. It says, "The FIRST MAN ADAM was made a living soul; the LAST ADAM was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; THE SECOND MAN IS THE LORD FROM HEAVEN."

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Robin MacAhan (5 Feb) "Urgent Prayer Request"
Her granddaughter (Brad and Suzanne Pingel's daughter) Lauren Renee Pingel (age 3) suffered bad head injuries in an vehicle accident.

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WOW! AriŽl Sharon has following campaign slogan:
Shalom vBitachon - Peace & Safety. (and he was elected)

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I Thess. 5:1-4 says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord (the Millennium) so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, PEACE AND SAFETY; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief." Agape

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Thank you so much for the detailed explanation of The first part of Daniel 11. I was stuck in a futuristic mode of thought and didn't consider that it was fulfilled in past history. Your historical analysis fit perfectly. Thanks again. Your Brother in Jesus

My reply

I'm glad it helped. I wasn't sure I was up to that one. Agape

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FWD from: CAPS
Lance, I agree with about 90 % of your article. I have felt for some time that the person of this prophecy is Jesus. I believe that the Final 3 1/2 years are yet to be fulfilled. There is the great possibility that the final 3 1/2 years of this prophecy is the time of the tribulation-- the same time period mentioned in Revelation chs. 11,12,& 13.

There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus started the Final week at the beginning of His ministry in Luke ch. 4 by reading from Isaiah. Truly, the time was fulfilled. Also, at that time Jesus was baptized and received the ANOINTING of the Holy Spirit at His babtism.

Undoubtedly, this was in direct fulfillment of the prophecy of Daniel in reference to the ANOINTED ONE. I feel the "covenant" that was to be "confirmed with MANY" is none other than the Abrahamic Covenant. Romans 15:8 confirms this :

"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, TO CONFIRM THE PROMISES MADE TO THE FATHERS (Abraham, Isaac ,& and Jacob.) God Bless your studies of His word

My reply

Not having been in on this previously, I don't know exactly what was discussed.

However, I believe the prophecy in Dan. 9:24-27 runs from BC 454 to 2008 AD and that Dan. 9:27 is talking about a peace covenant. God's clock for Israel stops when Israel is out of fellowship between Pentecost in 30 AD and Pentecost/Feast of Weeks in 2001 AD. On that Feast of Weeks, I believe the 70th week of Daniel will start as God's clock for Israel restarts. The Jewish 5761 (2000/2001) and 5768 (2007/2008) are appropriately Sabbatic years. 5768 is a Jewish Leap Year, making the 7 months between Tishri 1 (the Day of God's Wrath) and Nisan 1 (day of the Second Advent) of Eze. 39:12,13 possible.

According to J.R. Church, "The Jewish community has designated this year (September 29, 2000 through September 18, 2001) as the "Mikveh Year"--the year of Purification. A Mikveh is a baptismal pool requiring 5,760 eggs-volume of water. Furthermore, the rabbis are calling upon all Jews to "repent and be baptized!" As you may recall, that is exactly what John the Baptist was doing during the Sabbatical Year, at the end of which Jesus was baptized and began His ministry." This is fitting, because this is probably the third year of the Jew's grace period (Lu. 13:6-9). If they don't turn to the Lord now, Israel will be dug about and dunged next year. If she does not turn to the Lord and bring forth fruit then, the axe will come to chop her down.

Dan. 9:24-27 says, "Seventy weeks (shabua, sevens, or 490 years) are determined upon thy people (Israel) and upon thy holy city (Jerusalem), TO FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION, and TO MAKE AN END OF SINS, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS, and TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY, and TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY."

There is no possible way that the 490 years can end before the Day of God's Wrath has taken place, Christ has been anointed the most holy at the Second Advent, the Judgment of the Nations has taken place, the "goats" have been done away with, the end-time prophecies all have been fulfilled, and Satan has been chained. The TRANSGRESSION has to END.

Continuing, Daniel 9 says, "Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem (Cyrus issued the commandment [Isa. 44:28] in BC 454; Anstey found an 82-yr mistake in the period of the Persian kings, BC 536 - 82 = BC 454) unto the Messiah the Prince (Christ) shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks (483 years total): the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks (483 - 454 + 1 because there is no zero year = 30 AD) shall Messiah be cut off (karath, killed), but not for himself (for us): and the people (Romans) of the prince that shall come (the False Prophet, who will become the Pontifex Maximus Mid-Trib) shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (70 AD); and THE END (of TRANSGRESSION) thereof shall be with a flood (i.e., 40 days), and unto THE END of the war (Armageddon, which I think lasts 40 days) desolations are determined. And he (the False Prophet) shall CONFIRM THE COVENANT (saying, "Peace, peace; when there is no peace," Jer. 6:14) with many (the Beast and the united nations) for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he (the wicked one, the Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease (because he desecrates the temple, II Thess. 2:4), and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the CONSUMMATION (of Armageddon), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (lit., desolator, the False Prophet).

Isa. 44:28 says, "That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid."

It sounds like the tabernacle of David will be raised up at the Second Advent, then the temple will be rebuilt after Daniel stands in his own lot in Israel at the end of the 1335 days of Dan. 12:13. At that time, all the saints of Israel that are to come back to Earth will arrive with Daniel. Each will be given his rightful lot in Israel.

Isa. 16:5 says, "in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgment, and hasting righteousness." Amos 9:11 says, "In that day will I raise up the tabernacle of David that is fallen, and close up the breaches thereof; and I will raise up his ruins, and I will build it as in the days of old." Acts 15:16 says, "After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up."

Zech. 6:12,13,15 says, "Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH (Christ, branch of YHVH); and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD. Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both....THEY THAT ARE FAR OFF (in Heaven) SHALL COME AND BUILD IN THE TEMPLE OF THE LORD." Agape

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Re: Lost Secret of the Tribes of Israel
Reuben......Behold a son
Simeon.....Hearing
Levi......Joined
Judah.....Praised
Zebulun.....dwelling
Issachar.....man of hire
Dan......Judge
Gad.....Good fortune
Asher.....Happy
Naphtali.......my wrestling (beating the enemy)
Joseph....may HE (Johovah) add
Benjamin.....son of the right hand

Israel said these are also mine (Gen.48:5)

Ephraim....doubly fruitful
Manasseh.....making to forget

Behold a Son, hearing God, Joined to God, praised by God, dwelling as a man of hire to judge, bring good fortune and joy, destroying, beating the devil. So that God might add sons of his right hand, a double portion, saving both the JEW and GENTILE, by refusing to remember their sin anymore.

As you can see by these examples even the smallest details are important to God. There are so many things in His Word just waiting for us to discover as He reveals them to us. Once this happens He has made a promise to us and to our children forever.

Deut. 29:29 says:
"THE SECRET THINGS BELONG UNTO THE LORD OUR GOD: BUT THOSE THINGS, WHICH ARE REVEALED BELONG UNTO US AND TO OUR CHILDREN FOREVER, THAT WE MAY DO ALL THE WORDS OF THIS LAW"

My reply

Thanks. I'd like to add to the list the Zodiac sign of each tribe. The Zodiac starts with Virgo and ends with Leo. I'll put them in the order that the signs appear.

Zebulun...dwelling...Virgo the Virgin...Aug 23 - Sept 22
Levi...Joined...Libra, the Balance...Sept 23 - Oct 23
Dan...Judge...Scorpio, the Scorpion...Oct 24 - Nov 21
Asher...Happy...Sagittarius, the Archer...Nov 22 - Dec. 21
Naphtali...my wrestling (beating the enemy)...Capricorn, the Goat...Dec 22 - Jan 19
Reuben...Behold a son...Aquarius, the Water Bearer...Jan 20 - Feb 18
Simeon...Hearing...Pisces, the Fishes...Feb 19 - Mar 20
Gad...Good fortune...Aries, the Ram...Mar 21 - Apr 19
Joseph...may HE (Jehovah) add...Taurus, the white Bull Reem...Apr 20 - May 20
Benjamin...son of the right hand...Gemini, the Bridegroom and his Bride...May 21 - June 21
Issachar...man of hire...Cancer, the Crab...June 22 - July 22
Judah...Praised...Leo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah...July 23 - Aug 22

Y'shua/Jesus was born under the sign of Virgo, between Aug. 23 and Sept. 22. Gemini seems to be the sign of the Rapture of the Bride of Christ--i.e., between May 21 and June 21.

Eph. 2:6 says, "And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." In Gemini, the Bride and Bridegroom sit in heavenly places, on the ecliptic. That shows us that Heaven is a planet that travels along the ecliptic. Agape

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Thank you for your Pro and Con section on your web-site. It is up-to-date and is cementing my knowledge of these things which are to "shortly come to pass". I only found your website the other day and I have voraciously been reading the print outs and studying my bible.

As you can understand I have been discussing these things with my household. I board with two dear 'older' saints in their 50's and 60's who are very strong in the Lord. We have all been sensing in our spirits to prepare URGENTLY to be part of the spotless bride more than ever this year 2001 - way before ever seeing your website. I aksed the Lord earlier the purpose why I was living with this couple and I sensed Him say "to be part of the spotless bride". The other day when I was out jogging in the early morning, the phrase came to me "the time is short"....

I am able to discuss much of your website with my household especially the Biblical typology and symbolism in Esther and Song of Solomon but when it comes to dates and the feasts for the "bride' rapture this year.. they don't like it .... they do belive though that Jesus knows very well the hour and day he is coming for us ... but they don't understand about the two-feet of the body of Christ..... they think the whole 'true body of Christ' will be the bride. I don't agree.

I cannot push the point with them.

Hoever, because I have access to the internet at work and they don't I feel it is my responsibility as their brother in the Lord to print the stuff off... put it under their noses and leave it with them.....Whether they read it or not I want to have a peace in my heart that God got this information to them as I strongly feel I am meant to pass it on.

Another thing: Revival in the Australian Church. There is a theory that God has a special purpose for Australia in an end-time revival of the church that is related to Australia having blessed Israel in its liberation - when 80 or so Aussie 'lighhorsemen' were sent to storm the fort at Beersheba - and did so miraculously... the theory goes that because of the way Australia blessed Israel we will be blessed..... Smith Wigglesworth when he visited here early 20th Century prophesied that a major end-time outpouring world-wide would start in Australia..... that remains to be seen of course. If you are interested in this a man by the name of Col Stringer has written a well researched book on it. He probably has a web-site you could look this up on.

How this relates to 'the bride' and the 'two feet' of Christ's body:

The notion of revival has always interested me to see how God is going to freshen up His body in the end times. I believe your theory of two raptures fits in well with this. My belief is that the true church will only be revived during tribulation - ie the Laodecian portion of believers during the tribulation. It will take tribulation for the global and Australian church for sure to be 'woken up' so to speak. Many of the plans we might have had to 'do something for God' really have been I feel self-focussed. We just need to love the Lord and be zealous for him and get busy preparing and urging others in their relationship with the Lord "as we see the day approaching".

Gospel in the stars: I have been familiar with the gospel in the stars for a long time and so when I read your reports on major lunar events front page on your website I was very excited ....

I feel it is God's mercy that has allowed me to find your material.

So maybe you could give me some advice on how to respond to my dear gracious hosts that I live with. I have no doubt they'll be a part of the spotless bride - it would just be nice to see them getting excited about this date information too. Why is it that some believers don't want to read anything that might challenge their own preconceived ideas and mindsets?

Saturn being God's planet...woah...mind blowing...I'm still going 'tilt tilt' in my mind on that one. I'm certainly not discounting it. I wish I had some colour photos of Saturn to look at. can you point me in the direction of some good photos on the Internet?

Agape to you (I like the way you use that word!) Your brother in Christ from Australia

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Thanks for your kind words. I put a picture of Saturn on Pro and Con 682. I couldn't remember who asked for it at the time, but put it up anyway. Other than that, try the archives listed at the bottom of the page at Astronomy Picture of the Day:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html. There are some good pictures of Saturn there.

Two Raptures: I Thess. 4:16,17 lists "the trump of God" that the Lord sounds at the 1st Rapture. That is the first trump. II Cor. 15:51,52 lists "the last trump" that is sounded at the 2nd Rapture. You can't have a last trump without a first trump. It must be the last in some kind of a series. Enoch is a type of the 1st Rapture. Elijah is a type of the 2nd Rapture.

First trump: I Thess. 4:16,17, is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37-41; Lu. 17:26.27). Rain fell that same day. Last trump: II Cor. 15:51,52, is as the days of Lot (Lu. 17:28,29). Fire fell that same day.

First trump: saints "out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" seen in Heaven in Rev. 5:9 before the first seal is opened in Rev. 6.
Last trump: saints "out of great tribulation" seen in Heaven in Rev. 7:14, between the breaking of the 6th (Rev. 6:12) and 7th seals (Rev. 8).

"The lord of that (foolish) servant will come (1st Rapture) in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:13,14) with the UNBELIEVERS" (Lu. 12:46). On the 2300th day, this believer must be caught up to Heaven just before the fire falls, as it was in the days of Lot.

Lu. 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be ACCOUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE (in the 1st Rapture) all these things (the Tribulation) that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Re: Gospel in the stars: I have more on these files:
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars2
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars3

Looks like Gemini is the sign of the 1st Rapture. Benjamin (son of the right hand) had as his sign Gemini, the Bridegroom and his Bride. The Sun is in Gemini May 21 - June 21. Eph. 2:6 says, "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." In Gemini, the Bride and Bridegroom sit together in heavenly places, on the ecliptic, showing that Heaven is a planet that travels the ecliptic.

In John 14:2-4, Jesus said, "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. And WHITHER I GO YE KNOW, and the way ye know." Saturn is the 3rd heaven that Paul went up to (II Cor. 12:2-7). Saturn was known to the ancients. According to Josephus, a Pharisee priest, the candlestick represented the planets and the Sun among them. The western light was to always be kept burning because it represented the Sun. Saturn was the eastern light.

Saturn is a morning star when the Sun is in Gemini. In Rev. 2:28, Jesus told the overcomers of the churches, "I will give him the morning star." Revelation is written as if it is 10 days before the Rapture (Rev. 2:10). The Rapture is near (1:3; 22:10). No wonder Christ said he was the bright and morning star. He comes at the Rapture when Saturn is a morning star. BTW, Saturn is an evening star right now.

I don't know about revival, when or where it will hit. Agape

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Re: The Southern Cross
I wanted to share something with you that I believe the Lord spoke to me over a year ago. I woke up in the middle of the night, and I heard these words - The Southern Cross, the Sign of The Southern Cross. I was really perplexed in my spirit, and knew these were not my thoughts, but must be a message from our Lord. I did not get up and write it down, for I felt if the Lord wanted me to remember what I heard, He would not let me forget the next morning. When I awoke, I immediately had to start searching, first in the Bible (did not find it there) and then I looked in the World Book Encyclopedia. I found that the Southern Cross is a famous constellation in the Southern Hemisphere, and that it is called the Crux, which is Latin for cross. The constellation gets its name from the outline of a cross formed by its four brightest stars, and that The Southern Cross appears too far south to be seen in the United States. I also read that The Southern Cross was last seen in the horizon of Jerusalem about the time that Christ was crucified, in the book - The Gospel in the Stars, by Joseph A. Seiss. Is it possible that this could be the sign of the Son of man that appears in the heavens that is spoken of in Matthew 24:30? I feel the Lord has spoken to me several times in the middle of the night as I wake up, but this one was one of the most profound messages. I really admire your study of the prophetic word. and have studied myself for only five years since my dad passed away on 9/21/95. I would really like to hear your opinion. Your site means so much to me. Thanks for your love and faithfulness to our Lord and Saviour. I also wanted to know what made you so interested in Bible Prophecy (I became interested right after my dad died). He was a great man and a wonderful father, and I know it is because of him that I study so hard. I know with all my heart, I will see him again and very, very soon. I would like to share more with you later. I hope you and your husband are feeling well. I have read your web site for almost two years now and had also read your book, Revelation 2000, over two years ago. Your dedication simply amazes me.

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Thanks for your kind words.

> > Is it possible that this could be the sign of the Son of man that appears in the heavens that is spoken of in Matthew 24:30?

I don't think so, because they see him sitting on his throne and see his face. Rev. 6:16 says, "hide us from the FACE of him that sitteth on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb." Eze. 38:20 says, "the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paneh, FACE), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

The ancient name for CRUX was ADOM (THE CUTTING OFF). It showed exactly how "Messiah the Prince" would "be cut off" (Dan. 9:25,26). It probably disappeared from view from Jerusalem after He was "cut off (karath, killed)," because he wasn't to be crucified again. That prophecy had already been fulfilled. They were to look for no other Messiah.

> > I also wanted to know what made you so interested in Bible Prophecy

Just reading the Bible and being born curious about everything. I think the Lord was training me up in the way in which I should go. I used to enjoy working crossword puzzles, but not much after I got into Bible study. There are more puzzles to work in the Bible than anywhere else. Once it got hold of me, it was impossible to let it go. From the first, I was always most interested in the end-time events. Israel's history didn't grab me until I found out that they played out little dramatic skits to help us understand prophecy. Then, that history wasn't so dry anymore. Agape

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Re: i will pray for you
madam we are the body of which christ is the head. he will not marry himself. we are not spiritual israel or any such thing. israel is the bride of christ. and i can back it up with scripture. love in christ

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Thank you for your prayer. I prayed for you also.

Rest assured, the Church is espoused to Christ. II Cor. 11:2 says, "I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have ESPOUSED YOU TO ONE HUSBAND, that I may present you AS A CHASTE VIRGIN TO CHRIST." However, the church includes believers of all nations. Gal. 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS." The Messianic Jews are part of the Church.

Israel was espoused to the LORD at Sinai. Jer. 2:2 says, "cry in the ears of Jerusalem, saying, Thus saith the LORD; I remember thee, the kindness of thy youth, the love of thine ESPOUSALS, when thou wentest after me in the wilderness." However, Israel quickly went away from the Lord, making and worshiping a golden calf, causing Moses the break the tablets. Israel was unfaithful. Hos. 9:10 says, "I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved."

Because of transgressions, Israel was put away, but only temporarily. Rom. 11:25 says, " I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in." Isa. 50:1 says, "Thus saith the LORD, Where is the BILL OF YOUR MOTHER'S DIVORCEMENT, WHOM I HAVE PUT AWAY? or which of my creditors is it to whom I have sold you? Behold, for your iniquities have ye sold yourselves, and FOR YOUR TRANSGRESSIONS IS YOUR MOTHER PUT AWAY."

In the parable of the marriage feast in Mt. 22, the king made a "marriage for his son. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding; and THEY WOULD NOT COME." That is what happened to Israel. Esther 1:19 shows us what happens. It says, "If it please the king, let there go a royal commandment from him...That Vashti (meaning beautiful, representing Israel) come no more before king Ahasuerus (meaning lion king, type of the Lion of the tribe of Judah); and let the king GIVE HER ROYAL ESTATE UNTO ANOTHER THAT IS BETTER THAN SHE." Esther (meaning star, hidden or secret) was made Queen instead of Vashti. And Esther was a Jew, but had not told that at first. All in the church are one, whether they be Jew or Gentile.

Both Jews and Gentiles will have a part in the heavenly city, New Jerusalem. Rev. 21:2,9-14 says, "I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband....Come hither, I WILL SHEW THEE THE BRIDE, THE LAMB'S WIFE. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the NAMES OF THE TWELVE TRIBES OF THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL (the Representatives of the saints of Israel): On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the NAMES OF THE TWELVE APOSTLES OF THE LAMB" (the Representatives of the saints of the church).

During the Millennium, Israel will be taken back. The nation will be saved in a day (Isa. 66:8) when the Lord saves her from being wiped off the map by Gog's army (Eze. 38).

Isa. 62:4-7 says, "Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah (my delight is in her), and thy land Beulah (married): for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married. For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and AS THE BRIDEGROOM (Christ) REJOICETH OVER THE BRIDE (the Church), SO SHALL THY GOD REJOICE OVER THEE (Israel). I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence, And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth." Agape

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I read your article on When will the Rapture be "Nigh at Hand"? I am a sister in Christ Jesus also, Glory to God!!! I watch the Fig Tree as Christ (The Annointed One) told us to do, Fig Tree, of course being Israel, since God reveals Himself through Israel, especially in these end times we are living in. I was in awe of the photos of the Anchor Cross etc. Can you tell me where I can obtain information regarding the star constellations and photos of these, or a web site, books etc? I would like to get especially photos of the stars and constellations that you refer to. Also, when you noted that Argo, means The company of travelers etc. is that the name scientists have given the constellation or star and is a translation of the name etc, or what? So, interesting!! God is an Awesome God and is definitely pouring out is Glory and revelation knowledge in these last days befor the catching away of His Church! Glory! Jesus come quickly!!! I will be ordering our book on the Heaven found, I read or heard of the sighting by astronomers of the 'light' that they viewed through the higher technology telescopes now available. Any guidance on this subject would be greatly appreciated. Keep up the good "God" work!! In His Grace

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> > I was in awe of the photos of the Anchor Cross etc. Can you tell me where I can obtain information regarding the star constellations and photos of these, or a web site, books etc? I would like to get especially photos of the stars and constellations that you refer to.

You can find a photo of the anchor cross in the constellation VELA in the archives at Astronomy Picture of the Day:
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html.
The astronomers called it a crossbow. Someone e-mailed the anchor cross in the Sun to me. The sign in Eta Carinae was published in Discover Magazine, Jan. 2000, p. 35, only it is much prettier in the magazine, because there are red clouds around it. The pictures of the ancient Zodiac can be found in these books, Seiss' Gospel in the Stars, Bullinger's Witness of the Stars (online at http://philologos.org), and F. Chris Patrick's Zodiac Conspiracy.

> > when you noted that Argo, means The company of travelers etc. is that the name scientists have given the constellation or star and is a translation of the name etc, or what? According to Josephus and others, Adam, Seth and Enoch drew the first pictorial gospel story. They were contemporaries 308 years. Enoch was a prophet. Jude 14,15 says, "Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, Prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints, To execute judgment upon all." He knew the whole plan of God right up to the Second Advent. The picture book in the stars existed before the written word was given to the Israelites.

The Zodiac begins with VIRGO, which represents the birth of Jesus, and ends with LEO, which represents Christ as the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the King of kings. The conflict between Satan and Christ is shown over and over. Satan bruised Christ's heel, but Christ will bruise Satan's head (Gen. 3:15).

God named the stars. Psa. 147:4 says, "He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names." The names have meanings that explain the gospel stories told by the constellations. These have been known to people of all nations down through time. They are not modern inventions, although some modern changes have crept in. For instance, the Greater and Lesser Sheepfolds are now called Ursa Major and Ursa Minor. What is now the single ship ARGO used to be two ships. There is more information on all this on 3 of my files:
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars2
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/stars3

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Hi back! Bless God. Your response is blowing my mind. It is all 'clicking'. This is so clear to me from what I know of scripture already without looking up the references but I am going to study it out - WOW, WOW, WOW. God has given us so many clues in His Word. This is all encouraging me so much in my relationship with the Lord. Thankyou so much. The Astronomy sites your recommended: wow, wow again. I had no idea the pictures being taken were so beautiful!! I am going to start trying to find pictures of the star constellations you mentioned regarding the bride groom and the bride (Gemini). The handcrafted awesomeness of God. No wonder our enemy has tried to pervert Godly astronomy with astrology! Haven'nt we been blessed by the Internet in this last day so that average ordinary believers can look at these things FOR FREE!!!

We certainly are without excuse for not being ready.... I have printed off the Planetary Nebula Mz3 in colour and pinned it to the wall of my workstation right next to my computer. It will remind me to be ready on a daily basis and to keep "looking up" (literally.... wow) to Jesus.

I think I can really have more confidence in explaining the 2 raptures to people who are open now.

Question: The scripture talking about Jesus' coming being as "lightening flashing from the east to west" - that is refering to the highly visible pre-wrath rapture of saints out of the tribulation isn't it and not the wise-virgin first rapture isn't it? Question (2) will the first rapture been seen ie. will the world see the bride of Christ saints going up in the first rapture and will they see Jesus in the sky at the first rapture? My understanding is 'No' but I want to find the right scriptures for that. Can you help?

Thanks once again. Your reply has greatly encouraged me as I am going through a major 'fire of refining' at the moment. Together we will all continue to "run as so to achieve the prize" until we see Jesus - and that is going to be EXTREMELY SOON!! Woopeee!!!!!!!!!! Agape 2U

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I had capitalized Saturn in the file name when it should have been lower case. The picture of Saturn on Pro and Con 682 should come in ok now if you had a problem viewing it.

> > I am going to start trying to find pictures of the star constellations you mentioned regarding the bride groom and the bride (Gemini).

If you go to http://philologos.org and look up Bullinger's Witness of the Stars, there is a nice picture of Gemini on p. 138. The Bride is holding a harp, a symbol of the redeemed (Rev. 5:8). The name in the ancient Denderah Zodiac is Clusus, or Claustrum Hor. It means THE PLACE OF HIM WHO COMETH. The Bride and Bridegroom sitting on the ecliptic shows that Heaven is a planet orbiting along the ecliptic. It is THE PLACE Jesus went to and prepared for us.

> > The scripture talking about Jesus' coming being as "lightening flashing from the east to west" - that is refering to the highly visible pre-wrath rapture of saints out of the tribulation isn't it and not the wise-virgin first rapture isn't it?

That's right. It is the 2nd Rapture. That is the day the Sign of the Son of Man is seen in the sky (Mt. 24:30).

> > will the first rapture been seen ie. will the world see the bride of Christ saints going up in the first rapture and will they see Jesus in the sky at the first rapture?

Yes, the 1st Rapture will be seen, not Christ though. We meet him in the clouds. Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He BROUGHT ME UP also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (as Jeremiah was brought up out of a pit with no water in it, just miry clay), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings. And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: MANY SHALL SEE IT, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." The smoky atmosphere will roll back like a scroll and they will see Jesus sitting on his throne in the sky at the 2nd Rapture (Rev. 6:16). Agape

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