Pro and Con 695

Posted 2-23-01

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Re: Saturn as morning star
Hello sweet sister In Jesus, first I want to tell you we love you,
2nd you are a great honor to be associated with and we admire you greatly.
#3rd, the question, I read that Saturn will be seen as a 'morning star and in Gemini 10 days before the rapture. Can you tell us more on this?

Is this the pre rapture indicator that we expect immidiately before the rapture? Will you let us know with very large letters when this happens?? Maybe even in red?? Anxiously awaiting, humility occupying, Agape

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

I think Saturn will still be in Taurus on Pentecost. It is the slowest moving of the planets, taking a leisurely 29:5 years to complete one orbit. Saturn gets lost in the solar glare about March and April. It should be a morning star at Pentecost. Maybe someone can give us more exact dates than this. I would like to know exactly when Saturn becomes a morning star and when it becomes an evening star. I know that roughly, it is a morning star 5 months and an evening star 5 months. I think it is a morning star at the time of the 1st Rapture on Pentecost and still a morning star at the time of the 2nd Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. It is an evening star later in the fall and winter.

The Sun enters Gemini May 21, seven days before Pentecost. There are 12 signs of the Zodiac, and the Sun is in each one about a month. Gemini seems to be the sign of the Rapture. Eph. 2:6 says, "hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus." The Bride and Bridegroom sit on the ecliptic in Gemini. That fits Heaven being a planet, for the planets travel the ecliptic. Agape

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Re: 7 day warning/10 days in prison???
I ve not wtitten you in awhile,however I read your site Everyday,to learn & to be blessed & encouraged,I want you to know,you have helped me & my exteded family so much!!Without this site I would be "lost",I truly would!!I am 1 of the family ,because of 'you',thank you!

Most questions I have, are answered on your site.But,I would like to ask you,if we will get a '7 Day Warning'?,before the 'rapture'? And does the '10 Days in prison',apply in anyway to the 'rapture'? The first one?

Also,(1more thing),"What IF our Lord Jesus,doesn't come to get us,in the 'Rapture',this year?????Whoa ,that really scares me,Mrs.Agee!!If he doesn't WOW????What will I/WE Do??Do you know what I mean?

Tell me & the rest of us,How are you & Ed? Please in detail.I would kiss & hugg you & Ed,so big & long,if I ever got to meet you!!!!You mean so much to me & the rest of my exteded 'family'!!!!! I pray for you all everyday,Thank you,Mrs.Agee & God Bless You & Ed, abundantly!!!! I owe you so much,you will never know,thanks again, Love

My reply

Praise the Lord. Thanks for letting me know.

I can't say if we will get a 7-day warning or not. The Rapture is as the days of Noah, and Noah got a 7-day warning. However, he had to load the Ark. We don't need to do that. The 10 days of Rev. 2:10 seem to apply to the anniversary of Christ's ascension that is 10 days before Pentecost. Revelation seems to be written as if it is just 10 more days to the Rapture. The Rapture is "at hand" in both the 1st and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus signs off with, "Surely I come quickly."

> > What IF our Lord Jesus,doesn't come to get us,in the 'Rapture',this year

We will just wait patiently until he does come get us, but right now, I just can't see why it wouldn't be this year at Pentecost.

> > Tell me & the rest of us,How are you & Ed? Please in detail.

Except for my back problems, I am better than I have been in a long long time. I finally seem to have gotten the right medicines and the right doses to stop the muscle pain. I forgot to take my medicine at bedtime last night and awoke with both hips hurting like crazy. I told Ed I might get sleepy, but I was going to take one pill this morning. It didn't make me sleepy, either, and it got me out of that pain. Thank you Lord.

Ed says that he is getting stronger. He is trying hard to tell his brain to make him walk with longer steps. He had a little stroke, a TIA, during open-heart surgery, so no wonder his walking has been a problem. He had foot slap in one foot at first, but that is ok now. He just has to keep exercising, especially walking. Agape

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From: the same as above
Are you all OKAY?

It worries me so when you dont post everyday??? WOW!!! Please inform me, asap, I am sure there is alot of us that feel the same!!! You should @least say something,say "hi to all", everyday,so we know everything is allright!Okay? Love

ps: I dont think you really know ,how many people depend on YOU!!!! You are sent from God the Father,for us all!!!! Please post again!!!

My reply

I thought I was doing good if I posted every other day. No news is good news. Don't assume something is wrong unless it is a long interval. Posting anything involves getting the file as near 30 K as possible, putting HTML codes on it and getting 3 sites to answer so I can UL to them. Sometimes it takes 2 days to get a Pro and Con on one or the other mirror site. I can't do it to just say "Hi."...

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You might want to check this out. I found this site that says that this is the jewish year 6000 and not 5760. go to
http://www.upway.com/interesting/5760b.html
and se what you think. Agape.
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Weekend Discussion Group
What year is it??? 5750, 6000, 2000
By Patty (---) (10/05/99 @9:23 a.m. PST.)
Here are some more explanations....
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ACCORDING TO DAVE REAGAN OF LION & LAMB MINISTRY
"The explanation is that the rabbi in the Middle Ages who devised the calendar made a major error. The Gregorian calendar is off 5 years. The Jewish Calendar is a disaster." HERE HE SEEMS TO ALLUDE TO THE JEWISH ENCYCLOPEDIA.
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The 1902 Jewish Encyclopedia, (Funk and Waganalls Co., New York) Volume III in the section on chronology on pages 70-71 identifies errors in the Jewish chronology relative to the accepted secular chronology as follows:

First the method of reckoning from the creation of the world was introduced prior to 987 C. E. when it was employed by R. Sherira. This era begins with the year corresponding to 3760 B.C.E. Three eras being used are correlated by this statement in the Mishneh Torah (Shemittah, X.4): "In the year 1107 of the destruction of the Temple, 1487 of the Seleucidan era, 4936 of the Creation." Using 70 C. E. for the destruction of the temple, the year being defined was 1177C. E. This places creation at 3760 B. C. E. (4936 -1177 +1) and the beginning of the Seleucidan era at 311 B. C. E. (1487 +1 - 1177).

Jewish chronology uses certain estimated intervals between important events in post-Biblical Jewish history. "These intervals are given in 'Ab. Zarah 9a, 10a (probably derived from Seder 'Olam Rabbah xxix), which counts 34 years from the Second Temple to Alexander: 180 for the Greek empire; 101 from the beginning of the Hasmonean dynasty under John Hyrcanus (135 B. C. E. ) to Herod: 103 from herod to the destruction of the Temple; making in all 420 years. Loeb ("Revue Etudes Juives," xix. 202-205) Has ingeniously explained these discrepancies as due to a desire on the part of R. Jose, the author of the Seder'Olam Rabbah, to make them agree with the prediction of Dan. Ix 24 et seq., that seventy weeks (of years), or 490 years, would elapse between the Return from the Exile and the destruction of the Second Temple. As the Exile was assumed to last seventy years, in accordance with Jeremiah, this left 420 years from the Return (537 B. C. E.) to the destruction of the Temple (70 C. E.) a discrepancy of 187 years. This is got rid of in part by making the Persian domination last 34 instead of 204 years (537-333 B. C. E.). This was done in order to make the interval between the Exodus and the era of contracts ( The Selecidan era at 312 B. C. E.) exactly 1000 years.
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ACCORDING TO THE BEREAN CALL'S VOICE IN THE WILDERNESS
"In the early Christian centuries, around 130 A.D. many false Messiahs arose to "deliver" the Jews from the persecutions which they were still having, and had several unsuccessful, and bloody, revolts. The Jews were doing everything they could to twist the truth and portray anyone besides Jesus as the Messiah.

"So, a specific person (I don't remember his name) came along to lead them to their victory. The Jewish Priests and Scribes decided to twist a little bit of scriptural dates to make Daniel's prophecies "fit" in order to proclaim that --this-- man had "appeared" at the "right time". So, 240 years were "subtracted" from history to proclaim this specific person as the Messiah. Needless to say, their revolution was crushed, the false Messiah was killed and the Priests and Scribes never made the correction to the dates. In fact they had to change many, many records in order to keep their lies straight. Up until that time, I assume they had kept an accurate record of what year we were in from creation, so the "year" to them TODAY is 5760 as of Tishri 1. (AND HERE IS THE PROOF OF ALL THIS) This 240 years is a documented admitted "error" in the Jewish encyclopedia. So, once again, we have another source which states we are in the year 6000 as of Tishri 1: 5760 + 240 = 6000"
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FROM JIM C MEADOR'S POST ABOVE
"...When Bar Kokhba's was presented as the Messiah by Rabbi Akiba, at the beginning of his revolt it was A.D. 132 - about 4131 years from Adam. After A.D. 135 the scribes of the Seder HaDoroth changed the date back to 3892 - thus the 240 year difference which continues today...."
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THESE LAST TWO SEEM TO MAKE THE SAME REFERENCE. JTOON posted a few weeks ago about a 32 year dicrepancy in the GREGORIAN CALANDAR....THAT THE 6000TH YEAR IS 32 YEARS AWAY...

My reply

We are now in the Jewish 5761, according to the Jewish Talmudic Calendar.

Here is the way it looks to me. If we add 240 years to BC 3760, we get BC 4000, which I do not think was the year of the creation of Adam. Some people would like for it to be 4000 years from the creation of the 1st Adam to the birth of the 2nd Adam, but I do not think it is that simple. I think Adam was created on Elul 29 and this kosmos began to operate on Tishri 1 in BC 4043. I think Adam was cast out of Eden and man began to be tested being mortal and knowing good and evil 40 years later, in BC 4003.

I think there are three 2000-year ages from BC 4003 to 1998 AD, the Age of the Gentiles, the Age of the Jews, and the Age of the Church. Remember that there is no zero year, therefore, we have to add 1 year to the total. The years that Israel is given grace to see if she would bear fruit (Luke 13:6-9) plus the 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation bring us to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Therefore, I think this age will end Sept. 12, 2007.

To me, the 6000th year has already passed. My file on Bible Chronology is at
http://home.pe.net/~mjagee/chron.html

I am going by the chronology in the Bible, not in the Jewish Encyclopedia or other things which the Jews wrote.

However you figure the Jewish year, we know that on the Gregorian Calendar, Israel grew leaves (Gaza Strip, Golan Heights, Sinai, West Bank) and fulfilled the fig tree parable (Mt. 24:32-34) in the Six-Day War of 1967. One generation from that Sign of the End of the Age is 2007. We know that a generation is 40 years from Gen. 23:36. Jesus told the Pharisees that "All these things shall come upon this generation." They did, in 70 AD.

Counting Palm Sunday, when Jesus presented himself as king, as day number 1, there were 40 years plus another 120 days to Av 10, when the temple was burned in 70 AD on the anniversary of Solomon's temple being burned. Jer. 52:12,13 says, "in the fifth month, in the tenth day of the month, which was the nineteenth year of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, came Nebuzaradan, captain of the guard, which served the king of Babylon, into Jerusalem, And burned the house of the LORD, and the king's house; and all the houses of Jerusalem, and all the houses of the great men, burned he with fire" In 70 AD, the fire was set on the temple grounds on Av 9, but it burned in the temple proper on Av 10.

Applying that time to our days, there are 40 years plus another 120 days from Iyar 28, 5727 (June 7, 1967, when Israel took the temple area) to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).

Also, there are 7 good years and 7 bad years from Sept. 13, 1993, when the Oslo Accords were signed, to Sept. 13, 2007. It looks to me like the Lord is marking Sept. 13, 2007 (Tishri 1, 5768), because it is the 1st day of the Millennium. Agape

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Hi Marilyn and Ed, Here is an interesting fact I dug out of the scriptures. I am fascinated that the translation from the Greek for BOTH Virgin and Virgins is exactly the same, Strongs # 3933. If we look at Paul's writing in 2Cor 11:2, he says to the Church ". . . that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ". Clearly the Bride, the Believers "in Christ". When we go to Matt 25:1, he says ". . . ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom" Now pay close attention to my rhetoric here, in the Olivet Discourse, the disciples are definitely with the LORD, and the nation Israel is part of the discussion, and the ten virgins have a symbolic reference to the nation Israel. I am NOT saying that the Church is excluded. I am saying that the nation Israel can not be excluded from this passage. I am NOT saying the Church is Israel. Marilyn, I am NOT saying your discernment of the Spirit Filled Believers being filled with the oil of the HOLY SPIRIT is incorrect. Will you grant me the ability to discuss this below, by going forward on this duel observation I looked up Bridegroom and Bride in the Webster's dictionary, and my copy says that for both, it is a person who is newly married or about to be married. Therefore, Jesus Christ is described as the Bridegroom before and just AFTER the Marriage of the Lamb in Heaven. In the past, some writers have tried to say that the ten virgins can not refer to the Church, because they refer to Israel. I want to state with conviction BASED on scripture, that BOTH the Church In Christ and Israel are represented in Matthew 25:1. And the CHURCH is NOT ISRAEL. There are two distinct subjects here. In the epistle to the Ephesians, we find symbolism of the Church. The Church is called a "new man", and then immediately after, the Church is called "the Bride". In Isaiah 54.5 Israel is called the wife of Jehovah. In Jeremiah 3:20 we have Israel called an unfaithful wife. Hosea gives us a detailed description of this. In John 3:29, John the Baptist, a prophet of the Old Testament, makes it very clear that he is not a member of the Bride of Christ. Essentially what he is saying is that he is a "friend" of the Bridgroom. So we have an unfaithful wife (Israel) and an engaged virgin (the Bride, or Church in Christ). The Bride symbolism speaks of the future, not of the Old Testament time. There are things the Bride must do. Ephesians 5:25-27 and Revelation 19:7 are just two of the important warnings for the Church. We are to watch for the second coming of Christ. Salvation is of the first coming of Christ two thousand years ago. Those that only look at the first coming of Christ are saved, that is assured. The Bride is watching for the second coming. But in Matthew 25:1, there is NO WAY POSSIBLE that the disciples could be looking for the second coming of Christ. HE is standing there right in front of them, giving the Olivet Discourse. Yet these disciples are told of a parable of ten virgins, five wise and five unwise. If it does not apply to them, why would they be told it directly, when they know NOTHING of a second coming, let alone the details of the mystery of the Church Age!

Let me wrap up what is most important here. I have concluded that BOTH Matthew 25:1 AND Song of Solomon 2:10 refer to the Church and Israel. And let me mention again, the Church is NOT Israel. We know the Second Advent is Nisan 1 in the Spring, and I agree that it looks most compelling for the Rapture to occur in the spring. WE ARE BOTH RIGHT. The last piece of evidence for this is found in the "Peshitto manuscript". It is not a great manuscript but it includes interpretation of the customs of the time. Matthew 25:1 reads as "They took their lamps and went forth to meet the Bridegroom AND THE BRIDE". This HAS to be after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, when Christ comes to the earth at the Second Advent to establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and the Bride comes with him. Agape

My reply

> > > In the past, some writers have tried to say that the ten virgins can not refer to the Church, because they refer to Israel. I want to state with conviction BASED on scripture, that BOTH the Church In Christ and Israel are represented in Matthew 25:1. And the CHURCH is NOT ISRAEL. There are two distinct subjects here.

Mt. 24:37 is talking about the Pre-Trib Rapture being as the days of Noah. V. 42 says, "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come." V. 44 says, "Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." The subject is still the Pre-Trib Rapture.

From v. 45 on through 51, two kinds of the Lord's servants are discussed. One is "a faithful and WISE servant." This one is a wise virgin, giving "meat in due season." From 48 through 51, the "evil servant" is discussed. This one is a foolish virgin. What happens to this foolish servant? Verses 50 and 51 tell what happens to him. They say, "The lord of that servant (the foolish one) shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder (i.e., leave him behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture), and appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation, Dan. 8:13,14) with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Chapter 25 begins with "Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins." The word "Then" is "tote," which means AT THE SAME TIME. The wise and foolish virgins in Mt. 25 are the same as the wise and evil servants in Mt. 24. The foolish virgins are the ones that are cut off and left behind during 2300 days of the Tribulation. Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that SERVANT (the foolish one) will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder (lit., cut him off), and will appoint him his portion (2300 days of the Tribulation) with the UNBELIEVERS." This has to be the Tribulation trial that is to come upon all the world to test those left on Earth.

In other words, the wise and foolish virgins of Mt. 25 are believers of the church (in which Jews and Gentiles are all one body). The time is the Pre-Trib Rapture. Only then can a believer be left behind. All will be taken in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The Wrath of God will only fall on unbelievers. The same type of parable is repeated in Mt. 25:14-30. The "good and faithful servant" and the "wicked and slothful servant" are discussed. Verse 30 says, "cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH." The "unprofitable servant" is cut off, as the foolish virgin is. The whole chapter is about the wise and foolish servants at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture.

Verse 30 is much like Mt. 22:12-14, which says, "And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and TAKE HIM AWAY, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH. For many are called, but few are chosen."

The wise servants are chosen. The foolish servants are cut off. These pictures are all of the two segments of the church. The overcomers will be caught up at the first trump (I Thess. 4:16,17). The rest will be caught up at the last trump (I Cor. 15:51,52).

> > the "Peshitto manuscript". It is not a great manuscript but it includes interpretation of the customs of the time. Matthew 25:1 reads as "They took their lamps and went forth to meet the Bridegroom AND THE BRIDE". This HAS to be after the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, when Christ comes to the earth at the Second Advent to establish the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth, and the Bride comes with him.

I don't think that fits the context. Also, these Bible versions do not add "and the bride:" RSV, KJV, ASV, Darby, Webster, Weymouth, Young, Concordant, NEB, etc.

The NASB does not add "and the bride," but it has a note that the Syr. and Vul. add "and the bride." The Confraternity has "and the bride," but has a note: "the additional words, and the bride, are wanting in the best MSS."

I just happened to notice that Mt. 25:10 (Conf) says, "Now while they were gone to buy it, the bridegroom came; and those who were ready went in with him to the MARRIAGE FEAST, and the door was shut." That ties in with the marriage feast in the parable in Mt. 22. Pentecost could be the marriage feast since Israel was espoused to the Lord at Sinai at Pentecost. The word "gamos" is in both parables. Thayer says that "gamos" is a wedding or marriage feast. Since the Marriage of the Lamb does not take place until the 1st day of the Millennium, a marriage feast might fit the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture better. That strongly suggests Pentecost for the Pre-Trib Rapture and a marriage feast (separate from the Marriage Supper of the Lamb, which follows the Marriage of the Lamb).

It is strange, but I had a dream of Ed and I sitting on benches at long tables covered with white tablecloths in a huge building in Heaven. We had just arrived and were eating. I turned around to look for salt and saw a boy that had accepted Christ because of me at a table across the center aisle. In a prior dream, as Ed and I were walking up to the door of this same building, this boy ran to us and hugged me. He had been killed in Viet Nam soon after he accepted Christ because of letters I wrote him after he shipped out. I wish I had saved copies of them. They were a good connected Bible study. I could never do that again in the same way. It was obvious that the Lord was helping me know what to say. This boy dated our daughter before he went in the Army.

Mt. 22:4 (KJV) says, "Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my DINNER: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage (gamos, marriage feast)."

Luke 14:7-24 seems to tie in. It says, "When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding...go and sit down in the lowest room; that when he that bade the cometh, he may say unto thee, Friend, go up higher: then shalt thou have worship in the presence of THEM THAT SIT AT MEAT WITH THEE." Verses 16-24 are the parable of the "GREAT SUPPER."

Luke 12:37 says, "Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to SIT DOWN TO MEAT, and will come forth and serve them."

> > these disciples are told of a parable of ten virgins, five wise and five unwise. If it does not apply to them, why would they be told it directly, when they know NOTHING of a second coming, let alone the details of the mystery of the Church Age!

They asked for Jesus to tell them "what shall be the sign of thy COMING, and of the end of the world (age)" (Mt. 24:3). Agape

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Re: Great site! You are truly blessed!
...what do you think about this site?
http://www.prophezine.com/search/database/jrc/A960302.htm

It basically says that saturn will go through constellations (or something like that) telling the story of the wrath of God

Yeah, its interesting, it started last year, and guess when I ends (with Leo's Sickle [part of the moon] over Saturn)...2007!! God bless!

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > Conjunctions in May, A.D. 2000
> > Some remarkable conjunctions will occur in May of the year 2000 as all five major planets, along with the sun and moon, group together leaving the constellation, Aries, and entering Taurus around May 4.
> > Jupiter and Saturn will be extremely close as Venus has a conjunction with Jupiter on the morning of May 17 and with Saturn a few hours later, May 18. Jupiter and Saturn, the two largest planets in our Solar System, will meet a few days later on May 27. This is a remarkable series of events to occur in a single month.

I watched these planets move last year. It was a good time to find Saturn. Jupiter and Saturn looked close together on May 27. This year Pentecost starts at 6 PM on May 27. Makes one wonder if it was a sign or not. On May 22, 1999, there was a new star, Nova Velorum, in the reefed sails (Vela) of the constellation Argo. Argo is a ship with a representation of the face of Christ at the waterline and a lion's head above on the prow. Argo means A COMPANY OF TRAVELERS. It represents our being in Christ, just as Noah was in the Ark that represented Christ our Saviour. It is remarkable that Nova Velorum appeared on May 22, 1999, for this was Sivan 7, Pentecost (kept on Sivan 6 and 7).

> > Coming up around August 29, 2007, Saturn will have a conjunction with Regulus. It will be near its conjunction as the calendar approaches Rosh Hashanah, the Jewish New Year on September 12, 2007.

Sept. 13, 2007 is Tishri 1, 5768, the Jewish New Year, which I think is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. It also should be the Day of God's Wrath. The point of the sickle coming out of Leo's mouth might represent the sword coming out of Christ's mouth in Rev. 19:15.

> > Over the next seven years, from 2000 to 2007, Saturn will travel through the constellations that tell the story of the wrath of God being poured out upon an unbelieving world. That would be Taurus, the coming Judge; Gemini, which in ancient zodiacs tells the story of the Bridegroom and his bride; Cancer, the symbol of resurrection; and Leo, the lion pouncing on Hydra, a many-headed serpent. These constellations along with their siderial sidepieces tell the story of the second coming of Christ.

The Zodiac starts with Virgo, depicting the birth of Jesus, and ends with Leo, depicting the reign of Christ as King of kings and Lord of Lords. It is neat that Saturn will be in Leo on Sept. 13, 2007, the day I think Christ will be crowned. Agape

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Re: Rapture
Ezekiel 13:18,19,20 Our Father hates those that do the work of Satan, by telling them they are going to fly away to save their soles.

My reply

We may not know exactly what these verses meant in the original. Look at the differences below. They don't all say "souls that ye hunt to make them fly." One says, "I WILL SET FREE THE SOULS OF THOSE THAT YOU HUNT, AND I WILL CAUSE THEM TO FLY." Therefore, It would be dangerous to build a doctrine on these verses. Whatever they mean, they are "against the daughters of thy people (Israel), which prophesy out of their own heart" (Eze. 13:17).

Eze. 13:20 (KJV): "thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I am against your pillows, wherewith ye there hunt the souls to make them fly, and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly."

Eze. 13:20 (NASB): "I am against your amulets, with which ye there hunt the souls to make them fly; and I will tear them from your arms, and will let the souls go, even the souls that ye hunt to make them fly."

Eze. 13:20 (Lamsa B): "I am against your embroidered garments with which you hunt the souls of the people, and I will tear them from your arms, and I will set free the souls of those that you hunt, and I WILL CAUSE THEM TO FLY."

Eze. 13:20 (Exegesis B): "I am against your pillows, with which you hunt the souls to blossom; and I rip them from your arms and send away the souls--the souls you hunt to blossom."

Eze. 13:20 (RSV): "I am against your magic bands with which you hunt the souls, and I will tear them from your arms; and I will let the souls that you hunt go free like birds.

Eze. 13:20 (LXX); "I am against your pillows, whereby ye there confound souls, and I will tear them away from your arms, and will set at liberty their souls which ye pervert to scatter them." Agape

Eze. 13:20 (CJB): "I am against your pads, with which you hunt human lives like birds; I will tear them from your arms and let the lives go, yes, the human lives that you hunt like birds."

Eze. 13:20 (NAB): "I am coming at those bands of yours in which you entrap men's lives: I will tear them from their arms and set free those you have caught."

Eze. 13:18,20 (BV): "Thus says the LORD God: Woe to the women who tie magic charms upon all wrists and wrap veils around the heads of persons great and small to catch souls....See, I am against your magic stripes with which you hunt souls like birds; I will tear them from your arms and set free the souls of those for whom you hunt."

Eze. 13:18,20 (JB): "The Lord Yahweh says this: Disaster is in store for women who sew ribbons round each wrist and make head-cloths for people of all sizes, in their hunt for souls!...Look, I am now against your ribbons, with which you hunt souls like birds, and I shall tear them off your arms and free those souls whom you hunt like birds."

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