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Posted 3-11-01

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Re: Gorby calls for OWG based on Marxism reports: "Mikhail Gorbachev may be on the comeback trail in his native Russia, meeting with President Vladimir Putin and voicing support for many of his policies, but he's been prominent on the international scene, promoting what amounts to a Marxist version of world government. His Gorbachev Foundation has allied itself with environmentalist groups and pushed for an expanded United Nations that sees the U.N. moving into the power position that opened up at the close of the Cold War. During a press conference at the New York Hilton Towers, Gorbachev proposed a radical expansion of U.N. powers. Speaking at a so-called State of the World Forum, a six-year project of the Gorbachev Foundation headquartered in San Francisco, he proposed a radical expansion of U.N. powers.

Under his global Green Cross International (GCI) group, Gorbachev is promoting the so-called Earth Charter, a blueprint for world governance that would direct the course of the lives of people from cradle to grave. Having presided over the collapse of the Soviet Union and its drive to impose socialism on the entire world, Gorbachev is now taking a different path toward the same destination. Allied with the likes of George Soros and the international green movement, and lavishly financed, he plows forward toward his dream of a Marxist utopia..."

My reply

Thanks. We figured it was coming. Now maybe more than ever before will be able to see it. Gorbachev wants to be head over the 5th region of the 10 he divided the world into.

The following was on The Cutting Edge Ministries:

...the New World Order Plan has divided the world into 10 Super Nations (See NEWS1002), and has nearly completed the reorganization. Briefly, the entire world has been reorganized into 10 Super Nations, as listed below:


l. North America
2. Western Europe
3. Japan
4. Australia, South Africa, and the rest of the market-economy of the developed world
5. Eastern Europe, including Russia
6. Latin America
7. North Africa and the Middle East
8. Tropical Africa
9. South and Southeast Asia
10. China
It was in the book "Mankind At The Turning Point."

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From: Donna Danna. Re: The Great Earthquake at Christ's Second Coming. I mentioned in my post at that the great earthquake (Rev. 11:11-13) that happens in the same hour after the two witnesses are resurrected and ascended into the heavens may possibly be the same great earthquake when Jesus stands on the Mt. Olives on his return to Earth when the Mt. of Olives splits in two (Zechariah 14:4). The Mt. of Olives is east of Jerusalem. It didn't dawn on me until later that the great earthquake does happens in Jerusalem where the two witnesses were resurrected so it must be the same earthquake. Let's read Rev. 11:11-13 -- "And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon them. And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted and gave glory to the God of heaven."

In what city were the two witnesses killed and resurrected? It was Jerusalem because Rev. 11: 8 says "And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city , which is spiritually called Sodom, and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem; and the two witnesses are killed and resurrected in Jerusalem. They ascend into the heavens from Jerusalem, and in the same hour a great earthquake takes place in Jerusalem. It looks like the same earthquake in the Bible passages of Zechariah 14:4 as the one in Rev. 11:11-13. After the great earthquake, Rev. 11:14-15 continues "The second woe is past; the third cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in the heaven saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." This is Christ's return to Earth to set up his kingdom on Earth at his second coming. In Christ

My reply

There are earthquakes at 3 different times. All 3 shake Jerusalem. Two are local. The other one is worldwide. In the 1st, 7000 die, and the Lord does not return. In the 2nd, every wall falls and destroys the cities of the nations, and the Lord does not return. In the 3rd, the Mt. of Olives splits when the Lord's feet touch the mountain.

The 1st is 3.5 days past Mid-Trib, when the 2 witnesses are resurrected and raptured. That earthquake is in Jerusalem only, and 7000 are killed.

The 2nd earthquake is world-wide. It is not like any other earthquake since Adam. It is on the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1, Feast of Trumpets. Eze. 38:20 says, "all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground." Rev. 16:17-19 says, "the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath."

The 3rd earthquake is 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) after the Day of God's Wrath. It is at the Second Advent, Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3) in a Jewish Leap Year. A normal year has 6 months between Tishri 1 and Nisan 1, but a leap year has a 13th month added just before Nisan. Zech. 14:4 tells us what happens when his feet touch down on the Mt. of Olives. It says, "his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south."

> > After the great earthquake, Rev. 11:14-15 continues "The second woe is past; the third cometh quickly. And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in the heaven saying, the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." This is Christ's return to Earth to set up his kingdom on Earth at his second coming.

In between the 6th and 7th seals, the 6th and 7th trumpets, and the 6th and 7th seals is a parenthetic portion. We have to look for "match marks" to see where it fits in the chronology. Rev. 11:7 says, when they shall have finished their testimony (first 1260 days of the Tribulation), the beast (Satan) that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:9; 17:8) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them." Satan immediately possesses the False Prophet and goes to the temple. He "opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God."

There are 7 months between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Coming. The Jews bury the dead to cleanse the land so Christ's return can be in glory (Eze. 39:12,13). Agape

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Thank you for writing me back so soon. I was hoping you could tell me if the dates I mentioned have ever been like this before on the Jewish calendar? Is this an unusual thing that they end in like numbers in the years 2001, 2004, and 2007? I'm wondering if these numbers are really significant or not? Maybe just coincidence.

***I don't know. I checked 7 years, and the only correlation was in 1964, with Mar. 27, May 17, and Sept 7. The others were all over the place. With the Jews having an extra month inserted about every 3 years and with our inserting an extra day in our leap years, I doubt that they line up that way frequently.

Are the dates on this particular calendar the same as on other Jewish calendars you have seen?

***2001 had one date different on the Talmudic Jewish Calendar I have, so they may be using a different method of calculating the dates.

Hope to keep seeing your writings for a long time....if we're not raptured soon. The Lord seems to be trying to purify me in the last year or so with many health problems. Through these trials, many sins I had forgotten about and not confessed have came to my mind and the Holy Spirit has brought me to repentance. I wonder if other believers are now being brought through the fire & cleansed....

***I think we are all being tested to see if we will hang on or become lukewarm, be a faithful servant or a foolish servant. If we pass this test, we won't have to be tested during the 7-year trial that will come upon all the world. It is very important that we keep ourselves walking in the light as he is in the light. We need to be in fellowship with our righteous God now (I John 1:5-9). We sure don't want to be a "castaway" (I Cor. 9:27).

The time seems so close to His coming back for us...I hope. I know the Lord will bless you for all your encouragement in the blessed hope to come. Many churches never mention our blessed hope...if they do, it is usually about how no man knows the day or the hour. You also hear a lot about how it could be 100 to 1000 years away. I just don't see how they could even imagine life here on earth even 50 years from now. I feel so strongly, hopefully from the Lord, that He is about to return. Deanna

***Someone said that there were maybe 20 years more of oil, so something would have to change drastically in 50 years. As for me, I can't see how that would be possible, let alone 1000 years. I think the Lord will return and refresh the Earth early in the Millennium. Agape

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Re: End Times. My name is ---- and I live in central Iowa. We have never met before but after reading the information on your web site I feel like I have known you all my life. Please keep up the good work that you are doing.

I discovered your web site after reading the 'Left Behind' series of books that have recently hit the market. I did a search on the word 'rapture' and for some reason, (God's hand) the site I selected was yours. I think your projected chronology makes a lot of sense.

...Can you help me with the following questions:
1. At the pre-trib rapture, what happens to the believers who have already died before the pre-trib rapture?
2. At the pre-trib rapture, what happens to the non-believers who have already died before the pre-trib rapture. Thanks in advance for your help. God Bless

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

If a believer who has died belongs in the group that will participate in the Pre-Trib Rapture, He is in Heaven now and will come down with Jesus. He will get his resurrection body before the living believers are caught up with him to meet Jesus in the clouds.

I Thess. 4:13-17 says, "I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep (have died), that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent (Old English for precede) them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

Also in this passage, we see that Jesus is God, the Lord himself. I Cor. 15:47 says, "The first man ("Adam, which was the son of God," Luke 3:38) is of the earth, earthy; the second man (Jesus, "a body hast thou prepared me," Heb. 10:5) is the Lord from heaven."

Nothing happens to the non-believers at the Pre-Trib Rapture. They will be raised up for the Great White Throne Judgment at the end of the Millennium.

The believers, foolish virgins, that are left behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture (Luke 12:46; Mt. 24:51) will be caught up to Heaven with the Tribulation saints at the Pre-Wrath Rapture. The first trump of God is the Pre-Trib Rapture (I Thess. 4:13-18; Rev. 4:1) before the 1st seal is broken in Rev. 6. The "last trump" of God is the Pre-Wrath Rapture (I Cor. 15:51,52; Rev. 7:14) just before the 7th seal is broken in Rev. 8. The 1st Rapture is as the days of Noah. Rain fell, a symbol of the Spirit of Christ coming and floating believers upward. The last Rapture is as the days of Lot. Fire fell that same day (Luke 17:29).

The type of these 2 trumps is in Nu. 10:2-4. When they blow with one, the "princes, which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee." The princes of the 12 tribes are half of the elders seen sitting on their thrones after the Rapture (Rev. 4:4). The other elders are the 12 apostles. Agape

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From: Norway. Re: Pope visit mosque in Damascus in May 2001
3-6-01 - I have been informed via the Norwegian newspapers today that Pope John Paul II plan to visit Damascus in May (date unknown)2001, and he plan to visit the mosque Omayyad in Damascus (sic). According to Archbishop Isidore Battikha.

Any comments? (ref May 28th)

My reply

Thanks. "The mosque visit is scheduled for 6 May." I keep wondering if this Pope will be the Tribulation Pope. He sure is taking an interest in the middle east, and he is encouraging dialog between Christians and Pagan religions. His health is not good, but maybe he could last 3.5 years. I don't know. Keep watching. The Tribulation Pope will be pretty old. Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is the 7th head and is inhabited by Satan, the tail.

Here is some more information on his visit a friend sent me.
3-5-01 - Pope to pray in mosque

...John Paul II is to become the first leader of the Catholic Church to set foot in a mosque when he visits Syria in May, a church official said on Monday.

The Pope is hoping that by entering the Umayyed mosque in Damascus - the site of the tomb of John the Baptist - he will underline his attempts to bring Christianity and Islam closer together.

Umayyed mosque
Built in eighth century AD
The site previously held pagan temples and a Christian church It contains the tomb of John the Baptist It is the oldest stone mosque in the Muslim world

Officials organising the Pope's itinerary, said it would be the first time that Christians and Muslims would pray together in an organised way.

The Pope, 80, would lead the Christian side of the prayer and Syria's mufti, Sheikh Ahmed Kataro, the Muslim side....

The mosque visit is scheduled for 6 May in the middle of the pope's three-day pilgrimage to the Holy Lands...Besides Syria, Pope John Paul wants to visit Greece and Malta..."

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From: Donna Danna -
In your letter below mine that you sent out at 12:48 a.m. on 3/06/2001, in the second paragraph above your signature "Marilyn" in talking about the two witnesses you said, " Rev. 11:7 says, when they shall have finished their testimony (first 1260 days of the Tribulation.)"

However, in a later post dated at 3/06/2001 sent out by you at 9:53 PM, two sentences before your signature "Marilyn" you state, "The 1260 days of the two witnesses prophesying would last until 2 weeks after the Lord returns." These two statements are contradictory to each other so how can you believe both statements to be true.

My reply

I don't.

You said:
> > > they could start prophesying 3 1/2 days before the mid-point of the tribulation and be killed 3 1/2 days before the conclusion of the entire tribulation period, and be resurrected and ascend into heaven to join Jesus and his returning saints in the air at his 2nd coming to Earth.

I said:
> > The Pre-Wrath Rapture will take place before the 7th seal is broken (Rev. 7:9,14;8:1). Then the 7 trumpet judgments hit Earth. It is 7 months from then when the Lord returns. The full 2520 days of the Tribulation end 2 weeks after the Second Advent. That is when the Judgment of the Nations takes place and dominion is taken away from Satan. The 1260 days of the two witnesses' prophesying would last until 2 weeks after the Lord returns. There would be no need of them prophesying after the "last trump" Rapture and after the Wrath of God hit Earth.

***Forgive me for not making it clearer than that. I meant that if your statement was true, their 1260 days of prophesying would last until 2 weeks after the Lord's return. I don't think that would be possible. I personally think their ministry is during the first 1260 days of the Tribulation.

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From: Donna Danna.
The trumpet judgements of Rev. 8:8,10 makes no mention of the 2 asteroids causing a worldwide earthquake that causes every wall to fall as pictured in Ezekiel 38:20. However, the 7th vial judgement of Rev. 16:18-21 mentions this worldwide earthquake which would match up with Ezekiel 38:20. Rev. 16:18-21 says, "And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a GREAT EARTHQUAKE, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH, SO MIGHTY AN EARTHQUAKE, AND SO GREAT. And the great city was divided into three parts, AND THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness OF HIS WRATH. AND EVERY ISLAND FLED AWAY, AND THE MOUNTAINS WERE NOT FOUND. And there fell a upon men A GREAT HAIL OUT OF HEAVEN, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Doesn't the above vial judement sound similiar to Ezekiel 38:18-22 which says, "And it thall come to pass at the same time when Gog shall come against the land of Israel, saith the Lord God, that my fury shall come up in my face. For in my jealousy and in the FIRE OF MY WRATH have I spoken, Surely in that day there shall be a GREAT SHAKING in the land of Israel. So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and ALL THE MEN THAT ARE UPON THE FACE OF THE EARTH, SHALL SHAKE AT MY PRESENCE, AND THE MOUNTAINS SHALL BE THROWN DOWN, AND THE STEEP PLACES SHALL FALL, AND EVERY WALL SHALL FALL TO THE GROUND. And I will call for a sword against him throughout all my mountains, saith the LordGod: every man's sword shall be against his brother. AND I WILL PLEAD AGAINST HIM WITH PESTILENCE AND WITH BLOOD; ;AND I WILL RAIN upon him, and upon his bands, and upon the many people that are with him, AN OVERFLOWING RAIN, AND GREAT HAILSTONES, FIRE, AND BRIMSTONE." In Christ

My reply

> > The trumpet judgements of Rev. 8:8,10 makes no mention of the 2 asteroids causing a worldwide earthquake that causes every wall to fall as pictured in Ezekiel 38:20.

The 2nd trumpet judgment of Rev. 8:8 is the immediate effect and the 2nd vial of Rev. 16:3 is the continued effect of the "great mountain burning with fire" that "was cast into the sea" (the Mediterranean). In the former, "the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died. In the latter, "every living soul died in the sea." The cause is the asteroid impacting the Mediterranean Sea. The ultimate effect is that all life died in that sea.

We can tell that it strikes the Mediterranean from Zeph. 2:4,5. It says, "seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid in the day of the LORD's anger. For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast."

This echoes at various other places. Zech. 9:4,5 says, "fire. Ashkelon shall see it, and fear; Gaza also shall see it, and be very sorrowful, and Ekron; for her expectation shall be ashamed; and the king shall perish from Gaza, and Ashkelon shall not be inhabited." Eze. 25:15-17 says, " Because the Philistines have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them." Job 20:23 says, "When he is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him (the wicked one, the False Prophet), and shall rain it upon him while he is eating (i.e., at noon)." Amos 8:9 says, "it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day." Psa. 91:5-6 says, " Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day; Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday."

Yes, this catastrophe of the day of "great vengeance" is on the day of "his wrath." It is the same catastrophe spoken of in Eze. 38:18-20, where we find "fire of my wrath," and "a great shaking" on "all the men that are upon the face of the earth." The "mountains (2 asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

When the asteroids are thrown down on the Day of God's Wrath, every wall falls. All the buildings are wrecked. The "great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great" destroys the cities of the nations (Rev. 16:18,19). Dan. 12:1,2 also tells us what will happen on that day. It is the day of the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake." Jer. 30:5-8 says, "thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace. Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness? Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it. For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him."

This day of destruction is on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. Mal. 2:3 says, "Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it." Joel 1:15; 2:1,2 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come.... Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand; A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations." Agape

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Re: Rapture
Im so very glad you answered me back. You know something, and I found it very interesting. After I sent you that note I started to research the Bible. I spent hours on it. It does make a lot of sense to me and I want to believe it.Im preparing myself just in case and Im making copies of this to show to my friends. Because I really do belive in this. Its so amazing. How you figured this all out. With the help of the Holy Ghost. Im sure. I will be praying for you and your son. I hope that he is better. In Jesus name. God Bless you. Thank you for writing to me. By the way, when I wrote to you and said those things I was really quoting it from some other christian sisters. AGAPE

My reply

I am so pleased to know that you are studying the Bible. It is the only 100% rock-hard truth we have. We are put here to be tested, given a manual so we can pass our test, and it isn't the Lord's fault if we don't read it. Agape

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what do you make of this Scripture in Isa? "Yet I will besiege Ariel; she will mourn and lament, she will be to me like an altar hearth"

Since Ariel Sharon is now Pm? Thanks so much and I'm still enjoying all your studies. May God bless and how is your great grandson doing? And you and ed?

My reply

I don't know about this PM. Sharon means plain. Ariel (meaning lion of God) is another name for Jerusalem. Isa. 29:1-7 (KJV) seems to look forward through the mists of time and blend the destruction of 70 AD into the final destruction on the Day of God's Wrath. It says, "Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year (i.e., figure out when the Messiah is due, Dan. 9:24-26); let them kill sacrifices. Yet I will distress Ariel, and there shall be heaviness and sorrow: and it shall be unto me as Ariel. And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee. And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust (70 AD).

"Moreover (looking at the mountain peak behind the 1st one) the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it shall be at an INSTANT SUDDENLY (the impact of the asteroid of Rev.8:8 in the Mediterranean). Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise, with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire. And the multitude of ALL THE NATIONS (Gog's united nations' army) that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision."

Re: Andrew. I have FWD several things people have written to Teri. She goes to college and hasn't had time to digest it all and get back to me.

Ed is ok. I took a bad fall 2 days ago, hit the outer edge of my R eyebrow on the street. Had to get checked out by the Dr. and get my glasses fixed, but they didn't break, just had to be bent back into shape. Each day now, I look in the mirror and see more reddish-brownness creeping down in my eyelid and next to my nose. I have platelet count that is just at the bottom of normal. I think that is why it is still seeping and painting my eyelid with eyeshadow. My ribs are still sore on the R side, but basically, I'm ok. That is improving day by day. It could have been much worse. A van stopped 5 or 6 feet from me as I fell in front of her. I lost my footing on the hill and stumbled out into the street trying vainly to keep from falling. I couldn't stop and fell right in front of the van. I'm thankful that she could. Whew! Thank you Lord. I never, ever, had anything like that happen to me before. I've said that people are like the old milk bottles, they need to be shook up sometimes. Well, I didn't mean shaken this hard. I just meant that we need to stay active, so we don't go downhill from inactivity. Well, I went downhill from activity, but I don't think I will try that particular steep slope again. Going up was ok. Going down was my downfall. Agape

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