Pro and Con 716

Posted 3-22-01

> > John Tng, 5doves site: I still maintain that the 10 virgins are Christians. There are in fact many clues that point to this. I agree with Sherry "oil" is not the Holy Spirit. However, her reading of the parable as refering to the Jews could easily be applied to Christians. She is right about the "oil" as refering to "works" basically.

I disagree. I think oil represents the Holy Spirit. Let's look at some scriptures where it is mentioned. Works are not mentioned with the oil.

I Sam. 15:13 says, "Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren: and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward." Doesn't it seem that the oil represents the Holy Spirit?

Psa. 23:5 says, "Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over." His cup runneth over because he is filled with the Holy Spirit. It seems to me that the oil represents the Holy Spirit.

Zech. 4:12 says, "What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?" These are Moses and Elijah who stood before the Lord of the whole Earth at the Transfiguration. They are filled with the Holy Spirit, i.e., oil.

Ex. 27:20 says, "thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always." Even the foolish virgins have their lamp burning, although sputtering. I think it is the sealing of the Holy Spirit that keeps the lamp burning.

Lev. 5:11 says, "if he be not able to bring two turtledoves, or two young pigeons, then he that sinned shall bring for his offering the tenth part of an ephah of fine flour for a sin offering; he shall put no oil upon it, neither shall he put any frankincense thereon: for it is a sin offering." Who does not sin? Elohim: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Lev. 14:29 says, "the rest of the oil that is in the priest's hand he shall put upon the head of him that is to be cleansed, to make an atonement for him before the LORD." Jesus Christ baptizes us with the Holy Spirit when we accept Christ as our own personal Saviour. If the oil "makes an atonement," doesn't it have to stand for the Holy Spirit?

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I'm the pastor who wrote you some time back about standing in the cemetary of my Jewish ancestors when someone touched me on the shoulder, only to discover no one was near me. I heard a voice say, "Tell them I'm coming soon, you will be alive to see my return." I stumbled onto your web site a few years ago and was deeply impressed with your zeal, tenacity and determination to warn all of the seriousness of our times. While viewing you site a few days ago, the Holy Spirit impressed upon me to write to you again, thanking and encouraging you for your faithfulness to share such a lofty message of good news.

I sometimes travel quite extensively to various engagements, and I can tell you that there seems to be a split in the church world concerning thr rapture. Many pastors whom I meet feel very uncomfortable with the fact that we are the generation to see the return of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

I have felt for years that we would not go beyond the year 2001 for the rapture. My reason for this is a simple understanding of the Hebrew alphabet and its duel character system. Hebrew letters stand for numbers which weigh and determine the value of a word or words. 2001 forms the letters TAUV-SHIN-SAMECH-ALEPH. For the first time the letters 2001 start with the TAUV and ends with the ALEPH. The letters ALEPH and TAUV of the Hebrew alphabet are the same equivalent letters as the ALPHA and OMEGA of the New Testament

When taking the first and last letters of 2001, the TAUV and the ALEPH, it forms the word EHT pronounced EIGHT. The TAUV and ALEPH is said by Jewish Rabbinical writers to be the SERVANT LAMP, which is the middle of the MENORAH [the Seven Golden Candlestick]. In the Torah, you come across two letters TAUV and ALEPH at various intervals,such as in Genesis 1:1, where there are only seven words in the original Hebrew which are, BERESHIT-BARA-ELOHIM-[EHT]-HASHAMAYIM-VA'EHT-HA'ARETZ. The middle word is EHT [tauv and aleph], forming the SERVANT LAMP according to ancient tradition. When combining the letters TAUV-SHIN- SAMECH-ALEPH forming 2001, we arrive at unusual combination. These letters form the beginning of the end and the end of the beginning, and places the SERVANT LAMP [tauv and aleph] at a very critical point in history. In between the TAUV and the ALEPH, are the letters SHIN and SAMECH. The SHIN is said by the Rabbinical commentary to represent PEACE, while the SAMECH is said to represent the sign of G-D'S wrath, and also representative of completeness.Could it be that we have arrived at the precise point in history where both PEACE and WRATH combines together with the SERVANT LAMP [tauv and aleph], the beginning and the end, who is none other than than YESHUA standing in the midst of the SEVEN GOLDEN CANDLESTICKS [Revelation 1:13]? Another thought is that whenever the term "The third day" is found in the Torah which uses the letters BEIT-YOD-VAV-MEM-HEY-SHIN-LAMED-YOD-SHIN-YOD, counting every second letter from left to right spells the word SHILHUV, which is one of the two words in Hebrew that means RAPTURE. It appears that YESHUA will resurrect his spiritual body on the THIRD DAY [the millennium], as he resurrected his physical body on the THIRD DAY.Again Marilyn, this is a very unusual time to be living in, and your work is of the utmost importance to the kingdom of Yeshua. I've read some of the attacks coming your way and you are strong and mature in Yeshua. Once again I would be proud to be your pastor.

My reply

I sure appreciate your encouragement. You made my day.

> > "Tell them I'm coming soon, you will be alive to see my return."

Wow! Thanks for reminding me. That is only a little less exciting than hearing Christ say, "Come up hither." You've got to be doing something right. The Lord loves you very much to single you out to speak to. That should keep you going through any test that is thrown your way.

> > Many pastors whom I meet feel very uncomfortable with the fact that we are the generation to see the return of our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

I wonder if they might be uncomfortable because they wonder if they should be telling the people this and they are not? There is a pastor near me that said he didn't teach about the Rapture at all. I wonder if he skips I Thess. 4:13-18 when he goes through that book. :-)

> > I have felt for years that we would not go beyond the year 2001 for the rapture. My reason for this is a simple understanding of the Hebrew alphabet and its duel character system. Hebrew letters stand for numbers

Thanks for all this information. I could never put this together for myself. I don't know but a smattering of Hebrew. I did read my way through Green's Interlinear Hebrew/Greek English Bible going right to left under the Hebrew words. However, I was only reading the English, not the Hebrew.

> > For the first time the letters 2001 start with the TAUV and ends with the ALEPH.

That is so neat. It's the bow that ties up the package. The first mention of anything in the Bible is important for our understanding the Biblical use of the word. This is the first time for the first and last to appear in our year. That seems significant since Y'shua/Christ is the first and the last, both the LORD of the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the Lord of the B'rit Hadashah (New Testament) (Isa. 44:6; Rev. 1:8: 22:13,16).

> > SHILHUV, which is one of the two words in Hebrew that means RAPTURE. It appears that YESHUA will resurrect his spiritual body on the THIRD DAY [the millennium], as he resurrected his physical body on the THIRD DAY

That seems to be the way he works. He often has more than one reason for doing things the way he does too. At Mt. Sinai, they were to wash their clothes and be ready for the Lord to come down on the third day. That was around the time of Pentecost. The Laodiceans should get those white wedding garments now, not put it off. One of these days, it will be too late to go buy the oil of the Holy Spirit.

> > Again Marilyn, this is a very unusual time to be living in, and your work is of the utmost importance to the kingdom of Yeshua. I've read some of the attacks coming your way and you are strong and mature in Yeshua. Once again I would be proud to be your pastor.

Thanks, but I couldn't do it without Yeshua, you know. I'd be glad if you were my pastor. Shalom and agape

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This is excerpted from SKY & TELESCOPE'S NEWS BULLETIN - MARCH 16, 2001. Any comment? Blessings

As Mars brightens and swings toward Earth it has been attracting skywatchers out under the predawn sky -- and many of them have noticed an added attraction in the vicinity. The 2nd-magnitude star Delta Scorpii is now plainly the brightest star in the area after Antares. Normally magnitude 2.3, Delta slowly flared up last July and fluctuated last fall. It is currently shining at about magnitude 1.8, more than half again its normal brightness, noticeably changing the look of the head of Scorpius.

Delta is a hot giant star of spectral type B0. It is apparently undergoing a long-term, Gamma-Cassiopeiae-type eruption and mass ejection. Compare it with Beta Scorpii, magnitude 2.6, and Antares, magnitude 1.1. If it stays bright for a few more months it will bring an altered Scorpius into the skies of summer evenings.

My reply

Thanks. I had not seen this. It is interesting. Scorpio stands for Satan. The False Prophet is the 7th head of the great red dragon, and he will be Satan-possessed Mid-Trib. The time when the False Prophet will be revealed is when he confirms the covenant of Dan. 9:27 at the beginning of the Tribulation. Since that is drawing near, the increase in brightness of this star could be a sign. It might indicate the rising of the False Prophet. We must keep watching. Agape

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Tell me about it in July. I am not a false prophet, for I have never prophesied anything. I am a 72-year-old woman who has studied the Bible as hard as she can go for 40 years. I just tell how it looks to me. It is up to you to search the scriptures to see if these things be so. Agape

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Re: The Matrix comment in Pro & Con 709
God bless you.
...The movie is set in the future and computers have taken over the entire planet. But, there was a war between humans and the computers. This war left the planet earth totally ravaged by nuclear destruction.

A mythical place called "Zion" is supposed to exist deep, deep, deep underground where "pure" humans live and where a rag-tag group of renegades who conduct an ongoing crusade against the computers hope to go one day....

In reality, the humans are being used for the electricity that human bodies generate. They are providing the computers with energy. In return, humans live their lives in a sleep-like state, blissfully unaware that they are actually inside a biobubble basically sleeping...

So, the six free humans in the submarine-looking craft find him. They free him from his biobubble. They all plug into the Matrix in the submarine-looking craft and do battle with the computers by plugging into the Matrix, but on their terms and with the understanding that it's not real.

There is some element of demonism in it. Among the things lifted up in the movie are psychic powers, clairvoyance, mind-over-matter, drug use. But it's just typical rubbish from Hollywood....

We are to love the Lord and to love our neighbours as ourselves. Everything else is really counterproductive....

God bless you for your better use of time than movie-watching. I intend to spend less time with the cinema and the television and more time with the Lord, just because of this email.

I am somewhat ashamed to know about so many movies and yet not have the knowledge of the Scriptures. I have wasted countless hours and tons of money on the useless watching of movies and television. Of this I repent. I shall not watch any more rubbish on television or at the cinema. Rather, I pray that the Lord will encourage me and strengthen my character and enable me to spend more time with Him in the Word and in prayer.

Perhaps it is a "God-send" that you posted the snippet about the Matrix. I never realized how much time I've wasted on fiction. I am thankful to God that this realization has come. Jesus is Lord. Your brother in Christ

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I went to your web site. You quoted II Cor. 5:19: "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Therefore, you must believe the right things about Christ. I am thankful for that....

I thought all the day for a year theories had already passed, so people could be sure that was not the right way to figure. We need to let go of things that have been proved wrong (l844, 1998, 1999, 2000), and hang on to the things that agree with Scripture. Search the scriptures and see if these things be so is good advise.

> > YOU WRITE ***Luke 17:38,39 says, "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken (to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and the other left.

> > LOOK AT GOD'S WORD THE ANSWER IS WAT CHRIST SAID TO THE APOSTLES.17.37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together. EAGLES ARE THERE TO PICK ON THE DEAD BODY'S THAT ARE LEFT BEHIND.

Here is what I said, except I corrected my typo on the verse numbers. "Luke 17:36,37 says, "Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken (to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture), and the other left. And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body (the Body of Christ, i.e., the Bride group) is (in Heaven), thither will the eagles (high flying Tribulation saints) be gathered together." Isa. 40:31 says, "they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint."

If you are waiting upon the LORD, don't you think you "shall mount up with wings as eagles"?Don't you think you "shall run, and not be weary"? Don't you think you "shall walk, and not faint"?

The word "body" in Luke 17:37 is "soma," which is used in Jesus' words, "Take, eat; this is my body (soma)" (Mt. 26:26). It can mean the Body of Christ, can't it?

There don't seem to be any dead bodies left behind at the Pre-Trib Rapture. Enoch was taken up. No body was mentioned being left behind to be buried. Elijah was taken up too. Elisha got his cloak that fell off of him, but there was no body left behind. If you want to think that at the Rapture, your dead body will be left behind for the eagles to pick at, go ahead. I don't think mine will be left behind. What kind of a witness would that be? Those left behind would just think that those people died, not that they were raptured.

Psa. 40:1-3 says, "I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined (bent down) unto me, and heard my cry. He brought me up also out of an horrible pit, out of the miry clay (out of the Earth, as Jeremiah was brought up out of the pit), and set my feet upon a rock (Heaven), and established my goings (the Rapture). And he hath put a new song (sung after the Rapture, Rev. 5:9) in my mouth, even praise unto our God: many shall see it (the Rapture), and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." If we are taken up as Christ was taken up, and people see us go up, it is easy to see that they will fear, and trust in the LORD. They will probably have faith so strong that they could be martyrs for it.

The 1260 days are not 1260 years, but literal days. The 2300 days are not 2300 years, but literal days. The 1260 of the first half of the Tribulation plus the 1260 of the last half of the Tribulation are Dan. 9:17's week of years. The 2300 days of the shortened Tribulation lock the Tribulation into the Gregorian Calender where it belongs. The 2300 days include the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001 and the Feast of Trumpets in 2007. That is not true in just any set of such years. That locks the Tribulation to our calendar.

The last year has to be a Jewish Leap Year for there to be 7 months between that Tishri 1, the Day of God's Wrath, and the following 2nd Advent on Nisan 1. The year 5768 is a Jewish Leap Year. That can't be slid back or forward 1 or 2 years. If you want to believe in things that have already been proved wrong by the march of time, you will miss understanding some precious prophecies of the end times.

If you want to believe that Christ entered into the Most Holy Place in 1844, go ahead. I don't think it will hold water though. We should know soon.

If we are right about Christ and filled with his Holy Spirit, we will be taken up in the Pre-Trib Rapture, regardless of any other wrong ideas we might have. We are human, and no human is always right on everything. It is a good thing our salvation doesn't depend on our understanding of Scripture, but on our acceptance of Christ the Lord as our Redeemer. Agape

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Re: Christ is God
If you read this you will learn from God's word that the angel of the Lord is Christ.

Exo 3:2 And the *angel of the LORD* appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.

Now in verses four and six, who is identified as being in the bush?-

Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.

Exo 3:6 Moreover he said, *I am* the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.


Notice that the angel (messenger) of verse 2 is really none other than God Himself. This is confirmed in the New Testament-

John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, *I am*.

Jesus Christ had just identified Himself as the One who is the God of the Old Testament patriarchs, who was present in the burning bush speaking to Moses. Just for extra measure-

John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, *I am* he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, *I am* he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Jesus Christ again makes it clear He is the *I am*.

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Thank you. I agree. Agape

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Re: The Shortened Days of the Tribulation Period
There is only one problem with your shortened tribulation period of 2300 days. It does not allow the antichrist a rule of 42 months (1260 days) over the Earth which is found in Rev. 13:5. You told me in a previous letter that he will seat himself in the temple of God after the 1st half of the tribulation period of 1260 days. If there only 1040 days left in the tribulation period, and he needs to reign for 1260 days or 42 months, he would have to start reigning 220 days before the 1040 day period, but this is not correct either because Daniel 9:27 shows that he confirms the convenant for a week (7 yrs.) and stops the daily sacrifice in the middle of the week or after 1260 days so one would assume that he starts ruling from this point on. Yet the antichrist's reign in Rev. 13:5 is for 42 months. Since God does not lie, don't you think there must be some other solution that you hadn't thought of that would allow the days to be shortened in some other way? In Christ

My reply

I think there will be Jesus' Long Day instead. Joshua's Long Day was a type.

In Rev. 20:10, the two men of Rev. 13 are called "the beast and the false prophet." The Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 is the first ruler over the One World Government and the United Religions. He rules for the first 1260 days (Rev. 13:5) of the Tribulation. Some people call him the Antichrist, but it is the 2nd beast, the False Prophet, that is Satan-possessed. Wouldn't he be the final Antichrist? I try to just call them the Beast and False Prophet so people will know exactly who I am talking about.

The False Prophet comes to power Mid-Trib. That is when Satan is cast out of Heaven down into the Earth (Rev. 12:9). He is the ruler over all that the Beast was over (Rev. 13:12), but he is deposed on the 2300th day. "For then shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE WORLD TO THIS TIME, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened" (Mt. 24:21,22). The number of days is shortened between the breaking of the 6th and 7th seals. The 6th is broken on the last day of this Age. The 7th is broken the next day, the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord.

The days are shortened for the elect's sake. They are caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture before the asteroids impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5) on that Feast of Trumpets (Joel 2:1-3). Dan. 12:1,2 says, "And at that time (when the False Prophet comes to 'his end,' Dan. 11:45) shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a TIME OF TROUBLE, SUCH AS NEVER WAS SINCE THERE WAS A NATION EVEN TO THAT SAME TIME: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake."

> > You told me in a previous letter that he will seat himself in the temple of God after the 1st half of the tribulation period of 1260 days.

Forgive me for not making it clear enough. The Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 rules during the first 1260 days. The next day, the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18 is possessed by Satan. He desecrates the temple that day. The False Prophet is the one that is deposed before he has ruled for another 1260 days. Satan is the eighth of Rev. 17:11. He operates on his own until the 2nd 1260 days of the Tribulation run out. Then Christ will take dominion away from him, probably at the Judgment of the Nations. I think that is when Armageddon will break out too.

The False Prophet rules "a short space." The setting of Rev. 17 is the day of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Rev. 17:10,11 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece, Rome), and one is (the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10), and the other (the False Prophet. the beast of Rev. 13:11-18) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue A SHORT SPACE. And the beast (Satan) that was (was in Judas Iscariot), and is not (is not in man now), even he (Satan) is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

Prov. 10:27 says, "the years of the wicked shall be shortened." Agape

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Re: Easter formula
This article was published today in the Minneapolis newspaper. I was wondering if you already took into account this years different formula for determining Easter or not. I know the date of Easter affects the date of Pentecost as well. God Bless and you and give you the strength to continue your good work.
3-18-01 - StarTribune - Minneapolis Fixit: Is Easter on the wrong date this year?

Q Would you please explain why Easter is on the wrong Sunday this year? According to the formula for determining Easter (the first Sunday after the first full moon following the vernal equinox), Easter this year should be April 8, not April 15. At least two of my calendars specify the full moon in April occurring at 10:22 p.m. on Saturday, April 7. So, according to the formula, Easter should be April 8, not 15.

A You're right. According to the commonly stated rule, Easter is a week late this year. But the rule -- Easter is the first Sunday after the full moon that occurs next after the vernal equinox -- is somewhat misleading because Easter Day isn't determined solely by astronomical rule. There is an ecclesiastical formula that rules, as well.

According to the U.S. Naval Observatory, the actual conditions to determine the date for Easter are:

* Easter must be on a Sunday.
* This Sunday must follow the 14th day of the paschal moon.
* The paschal moon is that of which the 14th day (full moon) falls on or next follows the day of the vernal equinox.
* The equinox is fixed in the calendar as March 21.
* Easter can never occur before March 22 or later than April 25.

There are three major differences to note between the ecclesiastical system and the astronomical system:

* The 14th day of the paschal moon is not necessarily identical to the time of astronomical full moon. The ecclesiastical tables do not account for the full complexity of the lunar motion.

* The vernal equinox has a precise astronomical definition determined by the actual motion of the sun. It is the precise time at which the apparent longitude of the sun is zero degrees. The actual date varies very slightly from year to year.

* The date of Easter is a specific calendar date. Easter starts when that date starts for your time zone. Astronomical phenomena occur at a specific date and time all over the Earth at once.

In order for the Easter date to be fixed, and determinable indefinitely in advance, the Roman Catholic Church constructed tables for calculating the time of the paschal moon.

In the ecclesiastical system, the vernal equinox is fixed at March 21 regardless of the actual motion of the sun.

Inevitably, the date of Easter occasionally differs from a date that uses an astronomical full moon and the astronomical vernal equinox. In some cases, this difference may occur in some parts of the world and not in others.

At the U.S. Naval Observatory Web site (http://aa.usno. easter.html) you can enter the year and it will automatically compute Easter day -- for the past or for thousands of years into the future. The site also contains a mathematical formula that you can use to compute the date of Easter.

Incidentally, the date of Easter is different in the eastern (Orthodox) Christian churches. The Julian calendar, which preceded the currently used Gregorian calendar, is the traditional basis for the ecclesiastical calendar. In 1923, Orthodox churches adopted a modified Gregorian calendar and decided to set the date of Easter according to the astronomical full moon for the meridian of Jerusalem. However, these changes have not been universally implemented.

My reply

Thanks. I suppose Sunday is the best day for us to celebrate Easter, but it gets shoved around to do it. This year, it is the day after the 7 days of unleavened bread that speak of Jesus' sinlessness.

Easter doesn't change Pentecost. It is figured on the Jewish Calendar from Nisan 16, the Feast of Firstfruits. I think Nisan 16 really was the Resurrection too. Agape

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