This was not a rapture dream. I was alone. This was a dream of being translated. I've been praying to be translated like Enoch. He was translated by FAITH. Wouldn't that be something? I wouldn't be surprised. In fact, I'm expecting God to answer that prayer just as he answers all prayers, and that dream is a confirmation that he has heard my prayer. GLORY!. I wonder how many people that God has translated by faith that haven't been recorded.
Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
Eph 3:20 Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us
That's the first time that I ever had a dream like that.
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I always thought that the Rapture was a translation. Here are the meanings of the original words for "took" and "translated."
Gen. 3:24 (KJV) says, "And ENOCH WALKED WITH GOD: and he WAS NOT; for God TOOK him. The word "took" is Strong's 3947, laqach. It says that it is a primitive root, to take, accept, bring, buy, carry away, drawn, fetch, get, infold, mingle, place, receive, reserve, seize, send for, take away, TAKE UP, use, win.
Heb. 11:5 says, "By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had TRANSLATED him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that HE PLEASED GOD." The Greek word for "translated" is 3346, metatithemi, to transfer, transport, exchange, change sides, carry over, change, REMOVE, translate, turn.
What is a Rapture? I Thess. 4:17 says "we which are alive and remain shall be CAUGHT UP(726, harpazo, to seize, catch away, catch up, pluck, pull, take [by force]) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Concerning Elijah, II Kings 2:11 says, "it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah WENT UP by a whirlwind into heaven." The Hebrew for "went up" is 5927, alah, a primitive root, to ASCEND.
I fail to see a significant difference between being "translated" and being "caught up" or "to ascend." Would you explain it to me? Do you think Enoch was translated and Elijah not translated? These things are common to both Enoch and Elijah. Enoch "WALKED WITH GOD." Elijah "PLEASED GOD." Those are the keys to translation. Enoch was a type of the first Rapture. Elijah was a type of the second Rapture. The wise virgins and Philadelphians please God. The foolish virgins and Laodiceans do not please God. Agape
Joshua believed the Lord would make the sun stand still. He just asked the Lord and the Lord did it. He didn't know the greatness of that act.
Elisha wanted a double portion of the Spirit of Elijah. He asked and God gave it to him.
God said this about some people. Ps 78:41 Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and LIMITED the Holy One of Israel.
We have a better covenant. Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Here's a couple of great promises.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ASK ANY THING in my name, I will do it.
1 Jo 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ASK ANY THING according to his will, he heareth us:
So why should it seem an extreme thing that God would do for us just as he did for Joshua and Hezekiah or even more? We should expect God to be God!
Josh 10:13 The sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselve upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
A lot of people criticize that scripture because we, in modern times, know that the earth is the moving object, but God was answering a primitive man's prayer that was looking at the sun from his point of view.
Remember when Jesus accused the disciples of hardness of heart because they marveled at his miracle of calming the sea. They should have expected a miracle because they had just seen the multitude fed.
Mar 6:51,52 And he went up unto them into the ship; and the wind ceased: and they were sore amazed in themselves beyond measure, and wondered. For they considered not the miracle of the loaves: for their heart was hardened.
I believe that God wants to do so much more for us. We are so smart though. Weak in faith, but smart. We have computers, VCRs, cars, TV, and can't believe God to heal a head cold. My, O, My. We're too smart for God I think.
Joshua asked big. He didn't know how big he was asking, but he got his answer. PRAISE GOD! I believe that God gets much glory when people will believe for great things from him.
I believe that I honor him immensely when I stand in faith believing to live above the world without man's help. I believe God to support me financially. He does. I've sold out everything twice and given it all and God has given me everything back that I wanted. I have stood in the face of death twice refusing to take the help of man, and God honored that faith and miraculously healed me. PRAISE GOD!
Remember when a borrowed ax head flew off and landed in the water and the man was upset because it was borrowed. 2 Kings 6:5,6 But as one was felling a beam, the axe head fell into the water: and he cried, and said, Alas, master! for it was borrowed. And the man of God said, Where fell it? And he shewed him the place. And he cut down a stick, and cast it in thither; and the iron did swim. That man got a miracle because he didn't want to lose another man's axe head.
For the last couple of years I have been praying about being translated. It's not a selfish prayer. I prayed years ago that I wouldn't ever be a burden to my children. I've never been a burden to them or anyone either. I've been able to help my children. ONLY THE LORD IS MY SOURCE. God answered that prayer. I have never taken up an offering in my life. I believe this way. 2 Kings 12:9,10. It works. We receive according to our faith.
People my age start to think of a burial plan. Some think of it much younger. I'm almost 63 and I don't have a burial policy or any insurance. I've thought of buying one and have never felt led to do that, and really don't believe in insurance.
Instead I felt led to pray to be translated so that my children didn't have to spend money on a funeral. I resist funerals. I think they're a rip off. Any money that I have I want my children to get it. Not a funeral home that charges thousands of dollars and exploits people's vulnerability when they're in grief. I think it's highway robbery. I don't believe in expensive funerals. Did you know that in Missouri it's the law that a person must be buried in a vault that cost hundreds of dollars plus the thousands of dollars of funeral expense. I imagine someone in the vault business had someone in government push that law through for them.
Anyway now you know my motives. The reason why I sent this dream out is because when the Lord translates me I don't want people to wonder what happened to me. That's all. I don't plan on quitting AOL so if you stop hearing from Mopreacher, I just want you to know what happened to me. With the Internet people disappear and we wonder what happened. That is why I sent the dream out to you.
The Lord wants you to know that he will do the same thing for you and greater. Just believe God to treat you like his beloved child. Believe Jesus to treat you like his most cherished bride, and you'll see what you will get.
Nothing is too hard for God. He will translate all his saints. The only trouble is, there are two translations/Raptures and two Bride groups, plus Moses and Elijah will be caught up Mid-Trib plus 3.5 days. Why would he translate one individual without the rest of the appropriate Bride group?
As types, we only have TWO men that have been translated. Enoch, a prophet (Jude 14) represents those to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture He pleased God. He was caught up before the Flood, as we will be caught up before the Tribulation. Elijah, a prophet, was caught up after he had been through a lot of trouble, Jezebel was trying to kill him, as believers will be killed in the Tribulation. Elijah represents the Tribulation saints that will be caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. Why would the Lord spoil his types by catching anyone up by themselves right now, just before the first Rapture?
The firstfruits of the Bride group were represented in type by Jacob's wife Leah. Jacob received Leah after 7 years, just as the Bride of the church saints will go with the Bridegroom when he comes for her. Jacob worked another 7 years for Rachel. She represents the 144,000 of Israel that are added to the Bride group at the Pre-Wrath Rapture.
If we missed recognizing that, there were 7 good and 7 bad years when Joseph was in Egypt. I think the 7 good years began when the Oslo Accords were signed in the USA on Sept. 13, 1993. Adding 7 years brings us to Sept. 13, 2001. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture is most likely to take place on Pentecost (May 28,2001), the last feast day within the first 7 years. Adding 7 more years brings us to Sept, 13, 2007. It is Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets. I think that is the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord and the last day of the shortened Tribulation.
The Oslo Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel. The date was Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 7 years and another 7 years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. To me, this smacks of something God would do. He commanded all to watch. Important things to recognize by watching carefully were the Sign of the End of the Age (the Six-Day War of 1967) and the signing of the Oslo Accords.
Things happened to Israel for types. I Cor. 10:11 says, "Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world (age) are come." Counting Palm Sunday (and counting by Jewish inclusive reckoning), when Jesus was refused as king, as day #1, there were 40 years plus another 120 days to Av 10, when the temple was burned in 70 AD. All those things came upon "this generation," just as Jesus told the Pharisees in Mt. 23:36. Things are also prophesied for "this generation" born in 1967 when the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34 was fulfilled. Israel grew leaves (Sinai, Gaza Strip, Golan Heights and West Bank) in the Six-Day War.
In our days, there are 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967, when they took the temple area back, to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). It looks to me like Sept. 13, 2007 is the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The shortened Tribulation lasts 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14). Counting backward by inclusive reckoning, the first day of the Tribulation (the 70th week of Daniel) would fall on the appropriate Feast of Weeks in 2001. That is Pentecost, May 28, 2001.
> > Joshua believed the Lord would make the sun stand still. He just asked the Lord and the Lord did it. He didn't know the greatness of that act.
I am certain that the Lord led Joshua to do that. Jesus is Joshua from the Hebrew. Joshua's Long Day was a type of Jesus' Long Day, the Day of God's Wrath, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord.
Joshua 10:11 says, "it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the LORD cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword."
The asteroids and a great hail of stones weighing 100 pounds will fall on the Day of God's Wrath. Two pieces of an asteroid will impact Earth (Rev. 8:8,10). This globe will be turned upside down. Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." That will cause Jesus' Long Day.
> > So why should it seem an extreme thing that God would do for us just as he did for Joshua and Hezekiah or even more?
Sometimes it is better to not cry and beg too much. We should think about what we pray for and say if it is his will. Sometimes we would be better off if we had not gotten our wish. God knows best. Hezekiah got 15 more years, but it would have come out better if he had left things up to God. Hezekiah showed all his treasures to those from Babylon. Later, Babylon attacked and took all those treasures to Babylon.
> > I'm almost 63
I am 72. Agape
1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. 13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. 14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
What do you think is meant by the last phrase "else were your children unclean; but now are they holy."? From Matthew Henry's Commentary, "The children born to Christians, though married to unbelievers, are not to be reckoned as part of the world, but of the church." If children born to christians are part of the church (body of Christ), then I would think that they would also be part of the bride if they are too young to willfully sin against God. This is the closest thing I have found so far about the condition of children at the pre-tribulation rapture.
What I don't know is whether the child would be caught up in the 1st Rapture if the believing parent was left behind. I would like to know if the immediate destiny of the child rested on the immediate destiny of the believing parent. I haven't found answers to this, though. If I had to guess, I would think the child would accompany the believing parent, whether staying or going. Some things, we just are not told. Agape
I want to be in New Jerusalem, where moth and rust do not corrupt and thieves do not break through and steal, where all sickness is healed and all tears wiped away, where we will have a perfect King. Agape
Dan. 8:19 says, "I will make thee know what shall be in the LAST END (i.e., the last half) of the indignation (zaam, froth at the mouth fury, rage, i.e., the Great Tribulation): for at the time appointed THE END shall be." V. 23-26 says, "in the LATTER TIME of their kingdom, WHEN THE TRANSGRESSORS ARE COME TO THE FULL, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (he will be Satan-possessed): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people. And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he shall be broken without hand (injured and deposed from office by the asteroid impact). And THE VISION OF THE EVENING AND THE MORNING which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be FOR MANY DAYS."
This vision of the evening and the morning is given in Dan. 8:9-14. The word "days" in v. 14 is literally the evenings and the mornings, as in Gen. 1:5, where the evening and morning were the first day.
Dan. 8:9-14 says, "out of one of them (probably the Seleucid Empire) came forth a LITTLE HORN (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land (Israel). And it (SATAN) waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it (Satan) cast down some of the host (the fallen angels) and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them. Yea, he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) magnified himself even to the prince of the host (Christ), and BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY (when he sits in the temple showing himself that he is God, II Thess. 2:4), and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice (at the temple during 1st half of the Tribulation) by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered. Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the DAILY SACRIFICE (1st 1260 days), AND THE TRANSGRESSION OF DESOLATION (his sitting in the temple showing himself to be God stops the sacrificing), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto TWO THOUSAND AND THREE HUNDRED DAYS; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed" (when the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea, Zeph. 2:4,5). The 2300 days includes both the 1260 days of the rule of the Beast and the 1040 days of the rule of the False Prophet.
The 2300 days minus the first 1260 days equals 1040 days for the "great tribulation" that is to be "shortened" (Mt. 24:21,22). Rev. 12:12 says, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a SHORT TIME" (the last 1260 days). Rev. 17:10 says, "there are seven kings: five are fallen (of Babel, Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome), and one is (the 1st beast of Rev. 13 is in power at the Rapture), and the other (the False Prophet( is not yet come; and when he cometh (Mid-Trib), he must continue a SHORT SPACE" (the 1040 days).
I think Satan will not have dominion taken away from him until the full 1260 days are up. The False Prophet will be deposed at the Judgment of Christ on the 1040th day, then Satan will act on his own the rest of the days and have dominion taken from him at the Judgment of the Nations on the 1260th day. Rev. 17:11 says, "the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not in man at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), even he is THE EIGHTH, and is of the seven (controls the 6 and inhabits the 7th), and goeth into perdition."
I think the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 is the Tribulation Pope. He is worshipped and is given rulership over the OWG (One World Gov't) and the UR (United Religions). Rev. 13:11-12 says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast (the False Prophet) coming up out of the earth (Israel); and he had two horns (2 comings in man) like a lamb (Christ), and he (the False Prophet) spake as a dragon (because he is Satan possessed). And he excerciseth all the power of the first beast before him." The False Prophet takes over all the powers of the Beast. He is head over the OWG and the UR.
The False Prophet is "ANOTHER little horn" of Dan. 7:8, "THE OTHER" of Dan. 7:20. Dan. 7:21-27 says, "the same horn (the False Prophet) made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days (Christ) came (time of the Pre-Wrath Rapture and Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30; Rev. 6:14f), and judgment (at the Judgment Seat of Christ) was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom (first day of the millennial Day of the Lord). Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth (world gov't), and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces (the OWG has divided the world into 10 regions). And the ten horns out of this kingdom (OWG) are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER (the False Prophet) shall rise after them (Mid-Trib); and he shall be diverse (different) from the first (the Beast), and he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall subdue three kings (of the 10). And he shall speak great words against the most High (Christ), and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (3.5 years, Rev. 12:6,14). But the judgment (Judgment of the Nations) shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion (the False Prophet's and Satan's), to consume and to destroy it unto the end (of Armageddon). And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High (Christ), whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him."
The Satan-possessed False Prophet will want to be worshipped as God. In II Thess. 2:4, "he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders." Compare with Rev. 13:11f).
Mid-Trib, Satan is cast out of Heaven "into the earth" (Rev. 12:9). He comes up out of the bottomless pit and possesses the False Prophet. Immediately, he goes to desecrate the temple.
Rev. 17:8 says of Satan, "The beast (Satan) that thou sawest was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the Pre-Trib Rapture); and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit (Mid-Trib), and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast (Satan) that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture), and yet is" (exists).
Rev. 13:11 says, "I beheld ANOTHER beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns (2 comings in man) like a lamb (Christ), and he spake as a dragon" (because he is Satan-possessed). When Satan is cast down into the Earth Mid-Trib, he immediately comes up and possesses the False Prophet, who rules the latter 1040 days of the Great Tribulation. Agape
...There also are scriptures about the unfaithful servant of the Lord who is cast into outer darkness (the spiritual darkness of the triublation with Satan indwelling the Antichrist) with the unbeliever and the hypocrites, the scriptures about the Foolish Virgin being left behind and doesn't go with the bridegroom, Jesus Christ, the scriptures about one being taken and one being left. None of these scriptures can be broken and they must all be fulfilled just like the book of Revelation must be fulfilled. If all Christians were going in the Rapture, these parables wouldn't need to be in the Bible....
if the Rapture or DAY OF CHRIST takes place at mid-point of the 7 year period...
Yes, the left behind Christian who has the lukewarm works will have his faith purified from any unbelief during the tribulation, but I think God has a greater plan to leave him behind to help lead others to salvation in Christ during the tribulation. It is possible that a greater number of people will be saved by their being left behind than if all Christians were taken to heaven in the Rapture. In Christ
I agree. Good thinking.
> > if the Rapture or DAY OF CHRIST takes place at mid-point of the 7 year period
I can understand why you might think that one of the "days of the Son of man" (Luke 17:22) could take place in the middle of the Tribulation. Moses and Elijah are caught up 3.5 days after Mid-Trib. I thought that the Translation of the Tribulation saints was Mid-Trib for about 2 years, 1969 and 1970. What was fooling me was the chapter division between Dan. 11:45 and 12:1. When I finally saw that Dan. 12:1,2 took place when the False Prophet was deposed from office, I got it straightened out. The Rapture of the Tribulation saints is at the end of the shortened Tribulation, between the breaking of the 6th (Rev. 6:12) and 7th seals (Rev. 8).
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