Pro and Con 73, Uploaded 3-15-98

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Thanks for your prompt response. Just for what's it's worth, have you ever pondered the financial impact of the rapture? As an example -- if 100 million christians are raptured leaving an average of $50,000 each of unpaid home mortages, auto loans and credit card balances, the banks etc. would be left holding the 'bag' to the tune of something like $5 billion. My little calculator struggled with this one -- not sure of the total. But, nevertheless, quite a drop.

My reply

If the Rapture happens in the year of Jubilee (1948 + 50 = 1998), debts are to be forgiven and the land is to return to the owner. I don't know about the numbers, but whatever they are, they should shake up this world, huh? Will they miss us? YES! Our places of work will suffer too. Our jobs will not be getting done. A shortage of pilots and stewardesses alone will be a paralyzing factor that day. The despair of the day may be similar to the time in Egypt when all their firstborn died at the time of the Exodus. Those Laodiceans left behind will be weeping and gnashing their teeth. How much work will they be getting done?

Mt. 24:50,51 says, "The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of. And shall cut him asunder (cut him off), and appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Lu. 12:46 says, "The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion (the Tribulation) with the unbelievers."

Many "shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD" (Psa. 40:1-3). How will they keep their minds on their work?

Could the seven-year peace covenant be confirmed on that day of despair and confusion? Not likely.

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I was very happy to find your web pages, I've been reading them every night now! Also I'm on my fourth reading of your book, and I don't find anything to argue about. I've sent copies to everyone I could think of the last several years. My question, now that we're less than 3 months away, is what will the reaction or explanation be for so many missing persons? Have you found anything about this in your studies? Thank you for all your hard work and research and God bless you.

My reply

I have found no Bible verses that deal with this directly. It is bound to be a day of great confusion though.

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What if the Lord does not come by Pentecost 98 ? Have you thought about an 'excuse' or another 'reason' , etc. Actually if you really thought the Lord would come in a few months you would be giving your books free, after all the money will be next to useless, why not bless others with the little time left, unless you really don't expect his coming so soon, or you don't expect to be included in the rapture when he comes....

I'm not trying to be mischevious, merely trying to understand where you are coming from. Would be grateful for some response. Thank you

My reply

I will wait patiently until he does come. If I am wrong, I have no excuse. I know he has to come before the Tribulation, and I think the parable of the barren fig tree shows us how long before. We won't have long to wait to see if this is correct.

The book of Revelation is written as if the Rapture is "at hand." It is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10,20). Jesus stands on the pinnacle of the Rapture to view things past, present and future. In Rev. 17:12, "the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, WHICH HAVE RECEIVED NO KINGDOM AS YET; but will receive power as kings one hour with the beast." Thus these ten kings are not yet crowned at the time of the Rapture.

Now look at Rev. 13:1, "a beast...and upon his borns ten crowns." Here, the Tribulation is beginning, and the ten kings are crowned. This shows that that there is a gap between the Rapture and the beginning of the Tribulation.

If I could eat without selling my books, I would be glad to give them away. I have made them as cheap as I dare. Our Social Security we began drawing at 62 does not go far. I get half of Ed's. I am 69. He is almost 74. I also have to buy Revelations 2000 from Avon Books.

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His reply Thank you sister for your reply. You have explained clearly and you have my Amen. I agree with all you say and now understand where you're coming from. I share your perspective - I too am waiting for the Lord's return (which I also agree is before tribulation) and am ready anytime (also because I may drop dead any momment) but also will be a faithful steward to plan for tomorrow.

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I am writing to you from Malaysia. I have been reading your webside and I am coming again and again back to your website since the information which is provided is so challenging. Your interpretations make a lot of sense!!!

I have always been very interested in the coming of the Lord and read many books dealing with that subject. After reading different books on that subject, discussions with various Christians and studying the bible, I had to admit that there are very good reasons for a pre-tribulation-rapture and a post-tribulation-rapture (at last trumpet). At this time I believed that there would be only one rapture. I know that God has given me a spirit of sound mind and not of confusion. The timing of the rapture should not be confusing! Therefore, I asked God to reveal to me his truth about the time of the rapture.

When I read several different articles on the internet about the qualification for rapture I immediately understood that not every born a gain believer will be taken away before the Tribulation. Only those who are counted worthy (those who love Jesus; those who do the will of God, live a holy life, etc.) will qualify for the soon coming pre-tribulation rapture. The lukewarm believers will be spit out by Jesus and will have to be martyred during the tribulation period in order to reign with Jesus in the Millenium. In light of the coming tribulation I have a great burden to reach out to believers nobody I know has to suffer the consequences of a lukewarm Christian life. It is better to be a testimony for Jesus during the grace period than having to be a testimony by dying as a martyr during the tribulation period. I praise God for setting me on fire for him and for giving me a desire to read his word more and more. Your webside has inspired me a lot.

Now to my questions. I understand that during Rapture I all "wise" Christians will be snatched away. The lukewarm Christians will be left behind. Who will be snatched away during Rapture II before the "Day of the LORD"? Does 1 Corinthians 15:52 (at the last trumpet) only apply to Jews being alive at that time or also born again believers? I noticed that 1 Corinthians 15:52 talks about the last trumpet whereas 1 Thessalonians 4:16 only refers to the trumpet call of God. Is it possible that both scripture reference talk about two different events? Please keep in mind when answering the above that all those who have not worshipped the beast and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands (Revelation 20:4) will be beheaded before Rapture II.

I want to thank you for all the sacrifices you have made share your insights on the internet and for patiently answering all incoming questions. May God reward and bless you

My reply

I am glad to hear from someone in Malaysia. A Mr. H.K. Kuek sent me approximately 100 pages he wrote, "At The Time Appointed The End Shall Be," in which he proved my end-time dates correct to his own satisfaction. At that time, this was his address... In his letter, he said that God does things in threes and that someone else would soon contact me that had also figured out God's timetable. Sure enough, very soon Bob Ware contacted me. His work was similar to Mr. Kuek's in many ways. Both Bob and I tried to contact Mr. Kuek and got no reply. If you ever happen to come in contact with him, please let him know Bob Ware's address: 727 West Putnam Ave., Porterville, CA 93257, USA.

I am glad you like my Web site.

> Only those who are counted worthy (those who love Jesus; those who do the will of God,
> live a holy life, etc.) will qualify for the soon coming pre-tribulation rapture.

I think we can add that the worthy will have enough oil of the Holy Spirit so their lamps will be burning brightly (i.e., have confessed their sins as per I John 1:9).

> The lukewarm believers will be spit out by Jesus and will have to be martyred during
> the tribulation period in order to reign with Jesus in the Millenium.

I don't think all the Laodiceans will be martyred, just some. This is because Rev. 7:14 says, "they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. The foolish virgins and Laodiceans are in need of washing their robes in the blood of Christ.

> Who will be snatched away during Rapture II before the "Day of the LORD"? Does 1
> Corinthians 15:52 (at the last trumpet) only apply to Jews being alive at that time or
> also born again believers?

Both. There will be "a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Rev. 7:9).

> I noticed that 1 Corinthians 15:52 talks about the last trumpet whereas 1 Thessalonians
> 4:16 only refers to the trumpet call of God. Is it possible that both scripture
> reference talk about two different events?

It is my understanding that I Thess. 4:16 is the first trump of God, and that I Cor. 15:52 is the last trump of God. This refers us back to Nu. 10:1-4: "AND the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Make thee two trumpets of silver...that thou mayest use them for the calling of the assembly, and for the journeying of the camps. And when they shall blow with them (i.e., both of them), all the ASSEMBLY shall assemble themselves to thee at the door (symbol of the Rapture, Rev. 3:8;4:1) of the tabernacle of the congregation. And if they blow but with one trumpet (Rapture I), then the princes (the 24 elders of Rev. 4:4, i.e., the 12 patriarchs and the 12 apostles), which are heads of the thousands of Israel, shall gather themselves unto thee."

The assembly ties in to Hebrews 12:22-24: "But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general ASSEMBLY and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant."

> Please keep in mind when answering the above that all those who have not worshipped
> the beast and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands (Revelation
> 20:4) will be beheaded before Rapture II

This scripture does not say "all." It says, "I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus..."

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Back from a professional conference today. Thanks so much for the valuable time and guidance you have kindly given to me in your responses.

After reiewing the various insightful scriptures that you highlighted in your responses and on your web page (and I acknowledge that there's a lot more involved to come!), I would say that my own position remains about 50/50 to date on whether the first rapture is:

1. a "physical rapture" (we vanish from earth to heaven) or
2. an "annointed rapture" - God's full presence and protection upon us, but we physically remain on earth until the sixth seal physical rapture.

That something along either of those lines is going to happen in the not too distant future is, I think, well established.

But many of the passages, I think, remain ambiguous between those two possibilities (including the ten virgin parable) - when I read them with both those possibilities in mind.

And perhaps that is exactly what he intends......are we to know the exact form until the time comes??? The curious passage that speaks to me about this possibility is 2 Cor 12:2-4.

"I know a man in Christ who 14 years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body, I do not know - God knows. And I know that this man - whether in the body or apart from the body, I do not know - but God knows - was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell".

As you have noted elsewhere in your writings, this describes a significant rapture experience.

What struck me most was the bit , "whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know - God knows". Now, this is not immediately repeated the second time for emphasis without good reason.

I take its possible meaning in a number of ways.

First, the experience was obviously so real he couldn't tell whether he was physically transported or not. Bit like a strong dream. ie. it could mean we will not know whether the first rapture is physical or annointed, until we get to it.

Second, the body can equally refer to the body of Christ in the church. ie. it could mean that the first rapture is to be individual annointings - and not all being physically taken up together until the sixth seal. It could also mean that we are not to know the form until the time comes

Perhaps a double of Paul's rapture is John's later experience in Rev 4 "Come up hither" ??

Perhaps the Paul - John "annointed raptures" the indicator of what could happen the first time around. Or are the Enoch-Elijah "physical raptures" the doubles of the first-second rapture the likenesses in the manner you advocate. I remain open either way.

The point is; with the Paul-John form of rapture, we could indeed be gifted with a fuller armour of faith and sword of the spirit, and be given physical protection against the tribulation (as were the Passover jews who were spared from that tribulation between midnight and dawn in their houses). The prophetic promises of deliverance from the tribulation for the Philadelphians would then still be fulfilled - without all the theological dilemmas raised by us all vanishing in an instant the first time around....

And I bear in mind that God often fulfills things in ways that we least suspect......., so anything is possible. Who would have guessed in King David's time Christ crucified on a cross to fulfill those messianic Psalm prophecies?

Regarding my comment on the double doors previously, viz

. There is some emphasis in the double rapture scenario on there being two DOORS (plural) ..... However, " the Most Holy Place has DOUBLE DOORS". Eze 41:23. (NIV). The inner * sanctum has ONE OPENING.

I did not make it very clear what I was getting at...... Many seem to premise the double rapture on John going through the first door (singular) in Rev 4, and the second door (singular) opening after the sixth seal. However, it seems that there is only ONE OPENING, hence there might be only one "physical rapture" ie. after the sixth seal. Unless we believe that the wise virgins enter through one side of those double doors (plural), and the foolish virgins through the other.....

My reply

> my own position remains about 50/50 to date on whether the first
> rapture is:
> 1. a "physical rapture" (we vanish from earth to heaven) or
> 2. an "annointed rapture" - God's full presence and protection upon
> us, but we physically remain on earth until the sixth seal physical rapture.

The first Rapture is physical. Psa. 40:3 says, "many shall see it, and fear, and shall trust in the LORD." That is the first trump Rapture of I Thess. 4:13-18, when "we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

In John 14:3, Jesus said, "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also." That's physical.

When Elijah was raptured, Elias and 50 others saw him go up. When the two witnesses of Rev. 11 go up, they are seen. When Christ went up, he was seen. That is physical. Enoch disappeared physically.

The word translated "caught up" in I Thess. 4:17 is "harpazo," catch away, pluck, pull, take (by force). It is used in Acts 8:39, "Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip." Was that real? It is used in 2 Cor. 12:2, "one caught up to the third heaven." Was that real? It is used in Rev. 12:5, "her child was caught up unto God." Was that real?

> But many of the passages, I think, remain ambiguous between those two
> possibilities (including the ten virgin parable)

I don't think so; "the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage" (Mt. 25:10). The Marriage of the Lamb is in Heaven.

> "whether in the body or out of the body, I do not know - God knows". Now,
> this is not immediately repeated the second time for emphasis without good reason.

I think this just shows that our celestial body looks much like our physical body.

> Perhaps a double of Paul's rapture is John's later experience in Rev 4
> "Come up hither" ??

John was taken to heaven. In 4:2, he said, "And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne."

> Unless we believe that the wise virgins enter through one side of those
> double doors (plural), and the foolish virgins through the other

It sounds that way, Jesus said to strive to enter in at the strait gate.

Luke 21:36 says, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." Only those that physically are caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be certain to escape all these things (the Tribulation).

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>...Personally I believe in mid-trib. but see the reasonings and biblical views for the
> others. It has much to do with your presupositons as you begin....

My reply

I appreciate your answer. I used to think the Translation of the Tribulation Saints took place in the middle of the Tribulation until I realized that Dan. 12:1-3 takes place when the False Prophet "shall come to his end" (Dan. 11:45) and that the "time of trouble" of Dan. 12:1 is one single day, not a 3 1/2 year period of time. It is when "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered." It is the day the "great mountain burning with fire" and the "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" (Rev. 8:8,10) fall on this Earth. It is the day the "stone like a great millstone" (Rev. 18:21) destroys Babylon in one hour.

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...I am 15yrs old. My mom reads your books and is totally into the "rapture" thing. I believe in it strongly too. Umm, let me tell you a little bit about me. I live in... I've been a Christian ALL my life. I love God and Jesus. I am non-denominational. My mom had your web-page bookmarked, so I decided to look into it. To honestly tell you the truth I am kinda scared about the rapture. I know I shouldn't be, but I am. :( Not that I don't want to be with God, because I do- but I heard that you lose all memory of earth and when you get to heaven, you kinda know who people are but not really. I'm confused! What is heaven going to be like? Are we going to live in Houses? I don't know, I know I shouldn't be worrying about it at all but I have so many good friends and we always talk about being in heaven together, but if I don't remember earth, how will I know them? Will I even know they are my friends? Plus, 3 months away. Its like tomorrow almost. Its just like its so soon, and I'm only 15. I wanted to get married and have kids! I guess my main concern is - my boyfriend. His name is ----. He is 18 and just the sweetest guy you'll ever meet. I know he is a lot older than me, and we understand that, but we like each other very much. ---- is not a christian. Infact, he just isn't anything. :(((((( Its fixing to drive me crazy. He goes to Wednesday night church with me because he knows I believe in it very much and he respects that, but I guess he just never listens. He tells everyone he believe's in God just so they won't bug him. He told me himself. I was so hurt. He even lies to his parents about it...they believe in God. I know its wrong to be going-out with someone who is a non-beliver. But I just can't let go of someone like him when the end is so NEAR! know what I mean? I pray about him all the time, and I've even talked to him about it. He just doesn't listen. He believed at one time, but over time he began to play football, and all kinds of sports and became famous, guess he just felt like he didn't need God anymore. :(( And he is going to play football for a collage in ---- next year. I guess what I want to say is,. I love God, but I need someone to tell me that the rapture is going to be the best and that I'll know all my friends, and that ---- will be with me too. PLEASE pray over him...PLEASE. I can't do it by myself and if two or more gather in his name, shall receive. Plus, I need prayer myself. The Devil always loves to tempt me, I hate it. I cry to God, but I just hope he answers my prayers. Maybe your the answer to my prayers. Oh please Lord, let it be. M.J. I have the heart, I just don't know what to do. I am crying so hard right now, I just want to know that the Lord hears me. Seems like he is in no hurry to save ----. I know that's not true, seems that way though. You probably think this email is so dumb, but its really what I feel. Please help. Email me back, ASAP God Bless, Have a great day!!!

My reply

You brought tears to my eyes. Hope I can help you.

> I am kinda scared about the rapture. I know I shouldn't be, but I am. :( Not that I don't
> want to be with God, because I do- but I heard that you lose all memory of earth

You don't lose any memory at all. Read the account of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31. The rich man had died, yet he could remember, hear, see, speak, reason, and feel. He remembered his five brothers on Earth. You will know your friends.

> What is heaven going to be like? Are we going to live in Houses?

I Cor. 2:9 says, "Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him." We have much to look forward to, but we don't know exactly what these things will be like. They will be better than things on Earth, though. You can trust the Lord for that. He says it is a better place. In Rev. 22:1,2, a river and a tree is mentioned. God made the Earth so we know how his taste runs. It is a beautiful planet. If Heaven is better, it will truly be wonderful.

Here is a clue. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham and Sara could have come back to live on Earth if they wanted to, but after seeing Heaven, they chose to live there. Heb. 11:15,16 tells us, "if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city." This heavenly city is New Jerusalem.

We will have dwelling places. John 14:2,3 says, "In my Father's house are many mansions (literally, dwelling places): if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

> Plus, 3 months away. Its like tomorrow almost. Its just like its so
> soon, and I'm only 15. I wanted to get married and have kids!

I know, but things on this earth are going to get so bad, you will count your lucky stars you got out of here in time. You will be well compensated in Heaven. You will feel no lack at all.

> ---- is not a christian.

This is truly sad, for he is of age and has to make his own decision. He will certainly wish he had listened to you later on. I do join with you in praying for him. Maybe the Lord can do something that we can't to wake him up, but he has given every one of us free will. The Lord will not force anyone. The final choice is up to us. And we can't sit on the fence. No decision is a "No" decision.

> The Devil always loves to tempt me, I hate it.
> I cry to God, but I just hope he answers my prayers.

Of course he answers. The thing is, we are all tested to see if we will hang on to our decision for Christ or let go, resist temptation or give in to it. Scripture says to resist the Devil, and he will flee from you. Don't be wishy washy. Be strong and definite. Testing comes to and end and cursing turns to blessing. You'll see.

> I just want to know that the Lord hears me. Seems like he is in no hurry to save ----.

Christ is in you. He said he would never leave you. He hears your every thought. The fault is ----'s, not the Lord's.

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