I finally ran across the face of a sheep. Compare it with the face seen in the moon over Jerusalem 1-9-01. I still see the face of a lion cub, not a lamb.
Some of the new planets have unusual characteristics. At this moment, there are 63 known extrasolar-planet candidates with minimum masses below 10 Jupiter masses, and 67 known objects with minimum masses below 17 Jupiter’s. The present team of astronomers has detected about half of these…"
Dear John & Doves, My post of 3/04 at http://web.singnet.com.sg/~spirit5/letters/mar2001/donnad34-2.htm did not discuss when the 7 seals of the Apocalypse are opened, and where the asteroid of Revelation 8:1-13 falls into the sea. Obviously if the Rapture-Resurrection taking believers to heaven to escape the tribulation period on Earth happens on 10/17-10/18/2004, then the 1st Seal of Rev. 6:1 would be opened on 10/18-10/19/2004. I don't know when the 2nd through 6th seals would be opened, but the 7th Seal of Rev. 8:1 would be opened about a half an hour before the 1st trumpet is blown on the Eve of the New Moon on Rosh Hashanah, Judgement Day of 9/22/2006. This 1st Trumpet signals the approach of an asteroid that falls into the sea. Because of the two different days on each side of the International Dateline in the Pacific Ocean, it would be 9/22/2006, the end of Virgo, in the Hawaiian Islands near the International Dateline, and it would be 9/23/2006, the beginning or top of Libra's Scales of Judgement in the Marshall Islands near the International Dateline which leads me to believe that the asteroid will fall into the Pacific Ocean, and might fall somewhere along the International Dateline that divides the two different time zones in two different days. Also if the asteroid fell into the Atlantic Ocean, then Israel would be inundated or covered with water from a huge tidal wave; and the Mt. of Olives east of Jerusalem in Israel is the site of Jesus return to Earth at his 2nd coming according to Zechariah 14:4 so it doesn't appear that it would fall into the Atlantic Ocean.
It seems likely to me now that the Rapture will take place on Pentecost as the 70th week of Dan. 27/Tribulation begins. I'm glad you see the significance of the 2300 days. They serve to drop the chart of the end-time events into their proper place in our calendar. There are 2300 days, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001) to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007).
> > I don't know when the 2nd through 6th seals would be opened, but the 7th Seal of Rev. 8:1 would be opened about a half an hour before the 1st trumpet is blown on the Eve of the New Moon on Rosh Hashanah, Judgement Day of 9/22/2006.
I think the first 6 seals are opened roughly one per year until the Tribulation is shortened between the 6th and 7th seals. I think the 6th is opened on the last day of this age and the 7th is opened the next day, the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The 6th seal is broken in Rev. 6:12. V. 17 shows that the Millennium has started. Therefore, the 2 seals are opened on 2 adjacent days. V. 17 says, "the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" This moment is a great crossroads. It is 6 PM, the beginning of Tishri 1. It is on our Sept. 12, 2007. At midnight, it will be our Sept. 13, 2007. This is the Feast of Trumpets when all 7 trumpet judgments will be cast on Earth on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. The silence on Earth and in Heaven is probably to show respect while the judge is being seated at the Judgment Seat of Christ.
> > if the asteroid fell into the Atlantic Ocean, then Israel would be inundated or covered with water from a huge tidal wave; and the Mt. of Olives east of Jerusalem in Israel is the site of Jesus return to Earth at his 2nd coming according to Zechariah 14:4 so it doesn't appear that it would fall into the Atlantic Ocean.
Rev. 8:8 says, "great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea." The Bible is Israel centered. To Israel, THE SEA or THE GREAT SEA is the Mediterranean Sea. It is their western border. Nu. 34:6 says, "as for the western border, ye shall even have THE GREAT SEA for a border: this shall be your west border." Nu. 34:7 says, "And this shall be your north border: from THE GREAT SEA ye shall point out for you mount Hor." Joshua 15:47 says, "Ashdod with her towns and her villages, Gaza with her towns and her villages, unto the river of Egypt, and the great sea, and the border thereof." Eze. 47:10 says, "it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it (the Dead Sea) from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of THE GREAT SEA, exceeding many." Dan. 7:2,3 says, "the four winds of the heaven strove upon THE GREAT SEA. And four great beasts came up from THE SEA, diverse one from another."
When the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:3-5 tells us what will happen. It says, " Seek ye the LORD, all ye meek of the earth, which have wrought his judgment; seek righteousness, seek meekness: it may be ye shall be hid (caught up to Heaven in the Pre-Wrath Rapture) in the day of the LORD's anger (Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets). For Gaza shall be forsaken, and Ashkelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of THE SEA COAST."
Coals of fire will be cast on Jerusalem. Eze. 10:1,2 says, "I looked, and, behold, in the firmament (expanse of space) that was above the head of the cherubims (terrestrial planets) there appeared over them (farther out in space) as it were a sapphire stone (sapphire means dear to the planet Saturn, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear), as the appearance of the likeness of a throne (Christ's throne on Saturn). And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels (concentric orbits of the terrestrial planets), even under the cherub (Satan), and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims (asteroids in cometary orbits between the terrestrial planets), and scatter them over the city (Jerusalem)." Satan's planet Rahab was split apart, forming our Asteroid Belt. When it was broken in pieces, the force of the blast evidently tossed some pieces into cometary orbits. Those coming near the Earth are called NEAs, Near Earth Asteroids. It seems that Satan now lives on one of these asteroids called Wormwood (Rev. 8:11). Hope this is helpful. Agape
I felt compelled as I was reading pro & con 724 today to write in a testimony regarding what the Lord has been doing in my life. Hopefully, the Lord will take this and use it to help some of those struggling with questions regarding two raptures. I was raised Catholic, one of my earliest memories is of my dad lifting me up in our hallway to kiss goodnight a picture of Jesus on the cross that hung on the wall outside my bedroom door. Although I did not have a personal relationship with my Lord until I was eighteen (1981), as I look back upon my life I can see His hand of grace and mercy protecting me, drawing me to Him, until I recognized my need for something more. More of Him, a personal relationship, I prayed and asked Him to become my savior, forgive me of my sins, wash me with the blood. I am saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus.
For a while I lived a life totally in love with Christ. However, some where along the way I would say I fell asleep-just as all the virgins did in the parable of the wise and foolish virgins: "While the bridegroom lingered and was slow in coming, they all began nodding their heads, and they fell asleep." Matt.25:5 I never lost my salvation, nor stopped believing in or loving the Lord. I was just a little too preoccupied and comfortable in the world. More carnally minded that spiritually. I've often journeyed prayers on and off through the years. As I've looked back over entries I'd written, there would be times when I didn't even think of the Lord or talk to Him for a week at a time. I would go to Church and basically lived a very moral life. I didn't do anything contrary to the Word. The word of God was just not abiding in me.
God in His faithfulness and great love for me, just kept drawing me to Him. The first turning point I remember clearly was deciding that I was going to "delight myself in the Lord." I want to make clear, that I fully recognize and know there is no good in me. That apart from Him I am nothing. Only His great love, grace and mercy drawing me is what draws me to Him. I would not seek Him on my own, it is His work in me. All I can do, by His grace, is try to be sensitive to His voice, take time to listen, and obey what He says to me through the Holy Spirit and His word.
My prayers became, "Search me O God and know me, see if there be any offensive way in me and lead me in the way everlasting" Psalm 139:24 I began asking the Lord to refine me, purify me. I desired anew to have a pure heart, to be holy as He is holy, that He might find what is in my heart so delightful and pleasing that He would take me as he took Enoch. That I could just walk so close with Him that I'd walk right into heaven. Enoch has always represented to me the rapture. That blessed hope. Needless to say, the Lord was nudging me awake, so gently, so kindly.
As time went by the Lord was renewing my mind, cutting away the offensive things in me and replacing them with His desires for my life. During this time, I often had the feeling I was going to die. So much so that I would mention it to close family. Being baptized as an infant as a Catholic, it never seemed necessary to me to do so as an adult. However, in early 1999 I felt compelled to be baptized, to put off the old self. To die to me, and live for Christ. The morning after I was baptized our city was blanketed with snow, inches deep. It was incredible, unbelievable, because it almost never snows where I live, and had definitely never snowed like this before. It was so symbolic, so sweet of God, you see although I had already been washed and redeemed by the blood of the Lamb and had eternal life with Christ, it was as if I had been born again-Again!
My love for God grew, my desire to know Him through His Word increased, my desire for Him to increase and me to decrease grew. My desire for purity and sincerity and truth in my walk with Him. I began to measure the things in my life by Phil. 4:8.
If God in His divine time had sent Jesus to bring us home prior to the point in my life when I made the decision to delight myself in Him and began one again having His words abide in me I don't think I would have gone in the rapture. I know I was saved, but only as if by fire. I don't know the verses off the top of my head, but I know in the Word there are different references as to our welcome in heaven. One as if by fire, the other abundantly with great rewards. I just want to be in heaven with my Lord. The sooner the better.
The Lord took the parable of the ten virgins, about a year 1/2, before I even happened upon this site and revealed it afresh to me with the same meaning that is taught on this sight. They were all virgins, (all a part of the Church), they ALL fell asleep. At some point in our walk with the Lord I would guess we've all fallen asleep. Some, the five wise virgins...were ready. I thank God He in His grace awakened, quickened within the Holy Spirit, as is continually, lovingly drawing me closer to Him.
Whether Jesus comes to take us home this Pentecost or not, He is coming soon. I think we can all feel it in our hearts, if we are watching and ready and alert. This week as I was in that state of not quite awake, not totally asleep, a picture of a Jet Airplane in my livingroom downstairs formed in my mind. It was as if the Lord was saying "It's boarding time" Hallelujah! I pray it is soon and that I am counted worthy to escape. If it is not Pentecost, I believe it will still be soon. I will be sad, because I so long to be with my Lord, but I pray that Marilyn will go on with this site and that we would all encourage and build up and not bash. She has not said the Lord has revealed this specific date, she is just sharing lovingly her studies with us. I thank her.
One question I do have is regarding the determining of a generation length. Is the 40 days plus 120 days supported anywhere else in scripture, besides the fulfillment of the destruction of the temple as Jesus prophesied?
In 30 AD, Christ told the Pharisees that "All these things shall come upon this generation" (Mt. 23:36). They did--in 70 AD. Counting Palm Sunday (when Jesus was refused as King) as day #1 and using Jewish inclusive reckoning, it was 40 years plus another 120 days to Av 10 in 70 AD, when the temple proper was burned and taken away from Israel.
In our days, it seems that we have a mirror image of those days. From June 7, 1967, when Israel took the temple area, to Sept. 13, 2007 is 40 years plus another 120 days.
30 AD, Jesus refused as King, + 40 yrs + 120 days = 70 AD, Temple area lost
1967, Temple area regained, + 40 yrs + 120 days = 2007, Jesus crowned King
Jesus is crowned in Heaven. Then the Marriage of the Lamb and the Judgment Seat of Christ take place. Because of the judgment, the 7 trumpet judgments and the 7 vials that fill up his wrath hit Earth. What starts with the trumpets ends with the vials. For instance, when the 2nd trumpet sounds, the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 hits the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). One third of the life in the sea dies. When the 2nd vial is poured out, all life in the sea is dead. The effects of the disaster spread for awhile. I hope this helps. Agape
In other words you think that for five months the scorpions will be stinging the people who are cleansing the land of Israel for seven months? I thought the tribulation period ended on 9/13/2007, but it can't if for five months the scorpions are still running around in the land stinging and tormenting people, can it? Rev. 9:10 says, "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tailes; and their power was to hurt men five months." In Christ
They are in desperate trouble that day. Gog's united nations' army is attacking Israel (Eze. 38:18-20). Zech. 13:8,9 says, "it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: THEY SHALL CALL ON MY NAME, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and THEY SHALL SAY, THE LORD IS MY GOD."
> > I thought the tribulation period ended on 9/13/2007
I think the 2300-day shortened Tribulation ends on that date. That is the portion of the Tribulation appointed to the foolish Laodicean virgins. They are BELIEVERS. The Pre-Wrath Rapture will snatch them out of the fire. Remember Lot, a type of the 2nd Rapture. The "SAME DAY that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all" (Sodom and the cities of the plain). It will be similar on the Day of God's Wrath. Fire will fall that same day. The asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 fall at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). The Tribulation saints have to be gathered up before that.
I think the full 7 years (1620 + 1620 = 2520 days) apply to the UNBELIEVERS AND SATAN. After it is over, I think Christ will convene the Judgment of the Nations. The goats will be told, "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels" (Mt. 25:41). The sheep will be told, "inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world" (kosmos, this arrangement of things, dating from the refreshing the Earth in Gen. 1 to make it a fit habitat for Adam).
Believers and the sheep will live on Earth into the millennial Day of the Lord. The first day of the Millennium is the Day of God's Wrath. In Heaven, it is Coronation Day for Christ. Rev. 11:15 says, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever." It looks like the Marriage of the Lamb and then the Judgment Seat of Christ follow. Like Solomon, the greater Son of David will cleanse his kingdom right to start with. While we are receiving our rewards in Heaven, the unbelievers left on Earth will be getting what they deserve for their unbelief. Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry (attacking Israel), and thy WRATH is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; AND shouldest DESTROY them which destroy the earth." Agape
1 Corinthians 15:20-23 says, "But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING." Therefore, a resurrection will take place at Jesus coming.
Matthew 24:29-31 says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together HIS ELECT from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
Mark 13:24-27 says, "But in those day, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his HIS ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
Although the Jewish people of Israel are called God's elect in the Bible, who are THE ELECT in the above Bible verses that Jesus is gathering together? The following Bible verses will tell us:
Paul says to the Christians in 1 Thess. 1:3-4, "Remembering without ceasing your work of faith and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father; Knowing, brethren beloved, YOUR ELECTION of God."
Paul also says to the Christians in Colossians 3:12-14, "Put on therefore, AS THE ELECT OF GOD, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering; forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any; even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye. An above all put on charity, which is the bond of perfection."
These Bible verses show us that THE ELECT OF GOD that Jesus is gathering on his approach to Earth are the dead and alive Tribulation Saints that he is bringing together with the saints in glorified bodies in heaven that he is bringing with him to Earth so that all may return with him to Earth in white raiment and in their glorified bodies. It does seem likely that there may be a 2nd Rapture - Resurrection when Jesus is seen coming in the heavens, and before he sets his feet on the Mt. of Olives. In Christ
I Thess. 5:9 says, "God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ." Therefore, the 2nd Rapture has to be BEFORE the wrath of God is poured out at noon on the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, Tishri 1. That is 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) before the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3).
Normally, there are 6 months between the Tishri 1 former rain and the Nisan 1 latter rain. To have the necessary 7 months, it has to be a Jewish Leap Year. Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) is the 1st day of a Jewish Leap Year. Their leap years are 3, 6, 8, 11, 14, 17 and 19 in their 19-year cycle, so that date can't be shifted one year less or one year more.
> > in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; AFTERWARD THEY THAT ARE CHRIST'S AT HIS COMING." Therefore, a resurrection will take place at Jesus coming.
The word "order" is tagmati, rank. There are ranks in the first resurrection. The original manuscript was written without punctuation. This could mean Christ (The Seed), the firstfruits (the rest of the sheaf on the Feast of Firstfruits in 30 AD); afterward they that are Christ's at his coming (the Pre-Trib Rapture). That is when the Bride of Christ rises to meet Jesus in the air. As in Mt. 24:31 and Mark 13:27, Jesus will send his angels to gather the Tribulation saints.
> > Mark 13:24-27 says, "But in those day, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his HIS ELECT from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven."
When the sun is first darkened is on the last day of this age when the 6th seal is broken. Rev. 6:12 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood." V. 17 says, "For the GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?" This is Tishri 1, the Feast of Trumpets.
Before we are told that the 7th seal is broken, out of which come the 7 trumpet judgments, the Tribulation saints are seen in Heaven (Rev. 7:14). Since Jewish days start at 6 PM on our day before, I think the 2nd Rapture will take place between 6 PM and the following noon, when the asteroids of Rev. 8:8 and 10 impact Earth (Zeph. 2:4,5).
> > It does seem likely that there may be a 2nd Rapture - Resurrection when Jesus is seen coming in the heavens, and before he sets his feet on the Mt. of Olives.
I too can see the 2nd Rapture in Scripture. I Thess. 4:13-18 is the 1st Rapture, the 1st trump of God. I Cor. 15:51,52 is the 2nd Rapture, at the "last trump" of God.
Concerning the 1st Rapture, Isa. 18:3-6 is very interesting. It says, "ALL YE INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD, AND DWELLERS ON THE EARTH, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign on the mountains; and WHEN HE (THE LORD) BLOWETH A TRUMPET, HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider (nabat, see, look at) in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest. For afore the harvest (maybe on Ascension Day, 10 days before a Pentecost Rapture), when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower (grapes ripen in spring, late May or early June), he shall both cut off the sprigs (with no fruit) with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches (twigs with no fruit). They (i.e., the foolish Laodicean virgins) SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth (the Beast and False Prophet): and the fowls shall summer (starts June 21) upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."
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