Pro and Con 739

Posted 4-24-01

> > ...You have been getting a lot of emails lately in which people are pointing out various Biblical contradictions that relate back to your view that Daniel 8 is referring to the False Prophet. Even the "babes feeding on milk" can see the glaring contradictions that result when you force the False Prophet into being the king of fierce countenance. No one, Marilyn, can follow your reasoning on this. It is so off base and so diametrically in contradiction with so many other Scriptures, it is impossible to follow.

***Well, let's see what Dan. 8:8-26 indicates. "Therefore the he goat (Greece) waxed very great: and when he was strong, the great horn (Alexander the Great) was broken; and for it came up four notable ones (Seleucus, Ptolemy, Cassandra, Lysimachus) toward the four winds of heaven. 9 And out of one of them came forth a LITTLE HORN, which waxed exceeding great (became Satan-possessed), toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land. 10 And it (the Satan part) waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host (fallen angels) and of the stars (i.e., 1/3rd of the angels, Rev. 12:4) to the ground, and stamped upon them. 11 Yea, he (the LITTLE HORN) magnified himself even to the prince (Satan) of the host (fallen angels), and by him (the LITTLE HORN) the daily sacrifice was taken away (Mid-Trib, because he, the LITTLE HORN, sat in the temple 'shewing himself that he is God,' II Thess. 2:4), and the place of the sanctuary was cast down. 12 And an host (the fallen angels) was given him (Satan) against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it (the LITTLE HORN) cast down the truth to the ground; and it (the LITTLE HORN) practised, and prospered. 13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, HOW LONG shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice (the first 1260 days, when the Jews can sacrifice), and the transgression of desolation (placing 'the abomination of desolation,' an idol, at the temple, Mt. 24:15), to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? 14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days (lit., evenings and mornings; 1260 + 1040 = 2300 days, ending with the Day of God's Wrath, Tishri 1); then (after that) shall the sanctuary be cleansed (the following Nisan 1, Eze. 45:18). 15 And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man (Gabriel). 16 And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision. 17 So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for AT THE TIME OF THE END (the Tribulation) SHALL BE THE VISION. 18 Now as he was speaking with me, I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground: but he touched me, and set me upright. 19 And he said, Behold, I will make thee know what shall be in the LAST END (the 1040-day Great Tribulation, Mt. 24:14,15) of the indignation (Tribulation): for at the time appointed the end (the 1040th day, Day of God's Wrath) shall be. 20 The ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia. 21 And the rough goat is the king of Grecia: and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king (Alexander the Great). 22 Now that being broken, whereas four stood up for it, four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation (the areas assigned to Seleucus, Ptolemy, Cassandra, Lysimachus), but not in his power. 23 And in THE LATTER TIME of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the FULL (Mid-Trib), a king (the False Prophet) of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences (he's Satan possessed), shall stand up (Mid-Trib). 24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power (by Satan's): and he (the Satan-possessed False Prophet) shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people ('make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ,' Rev. 12:17). 25 And through his (the Satan-possessed False Prophet's) policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he (the ruler during the Great Tribulation) shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he (the False Prophet, who rules during the Great Tribulation) shall be broken without hand. (His right eye will be blinded and his arm 'clean dried up,' Zech. 11:17; Babylon will be destroyed, Rev. 18:21) 26 And the vision of the evening and the morning (i.e., of the 2300 literal days) which was told is true: wherefore shut thou up the vision; for it shall be for many days."

***The LITTLE HORN, the "king of fierce countenance," the ruler during the 1040-day Great Tribulation, will stand up against Christ. Therefore to me, the "king of fierce countenance" is the 7th head of the great red dragon, the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18. How could it be otherwise? He is the last man to rule before Christ returns. He is the one whose headquarters at Babylon will be destroyed by the asteroid of Rev. 8:10 and 18:21.

***He is "the prince that shall come" of Dan. 9:26,27: "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (of years): and in the midst of the week (Mid-Trib) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (idols) he shall make it (the temple) desolate, even until the consummation (the 1040th day of the Great Tribulation, the Day of God's Wrath), and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate (lit., desolator)."

-the vision is for 2300 days 8.14d
-among the ten horns came up another little horn, an 11th horn 7.8d
-11th horn rises after the ten horns 7.24d
-a beast out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns Rev 13.1 > >

***The Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 has 10 subordinate kings. The 11th horn is not The Beast of Rev. 13:2-10. The 11th horn is "another" of Rev. 13:11-18. The one referred to as "ANOTHER," or "THE OTHER" in Dan. 7:8,20,24 and Rev. 13:11 is the False Prophet.

***The 4th beast, the Roman world empire of Dan. 7:7 "was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and IT HAD TEN HORNS." This looks to the future time of the Tribulation. The leader of this future Roman empire is the man of the cloth ("bow," simple fabric, Rev. 6:2) that rides forth on a white horse as a prince of peace at the beginning of the Tribulation. He is the religious leader of the Roman Ecclesiastical empire, the 6th head of the great red dragon. "And...power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations" (Rev. 13:7). He is made head of the OWG and the UR. "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." He is made head over all world religions.

***At the time of the Rapture, this man is in power. Rev. 17:9-12 says, "here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (kingdoms), on which the woman (Mystery Religion of Babylon) sitteth. And there are seven kings: five are fallen (1. Babel, 2. Babylon, 3. Media-Persia, 4. Greece, 5. Roman Empire), and ONE IS (6. head of Roman Ecclesiastical empire), and THE OTHER (7. False Prophet) is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was (in Judas Iscariot), and is not (in man at the time of the Rapture), even he is the eighth (Satan), and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet (at the time of the Rapture); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (that "IS," head #6).

***The head of the Roman Ecclesiastical empire, the Pontifex Maximus/Pope, is head #6. He is the one who has the 10 horns, 10 subordinate kings, when he is made head of the OWG (One World Gov't) and the UR (United Religions) as the Tribulation BEGINS.

***Mid-Trib "ANOTHER" king, "ANOTHER little horn," the 7th head of the great red dragon, shall rise. He is not head #6. Head #6 has 10 horns. He and the 10 kings are in power as the Tribulation begins. Head #7 rises AFTER the 10 kings. He subdues 3 of the 10 kings. Dan. 7:24 says, "the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER (the False Prophet) SHALL RISE AFTER THEM; AND HE (the False Prophet) SHALL BE DIVERSE (a different man) FROM THE FIRST (the 1st beast of Rev. 13:2-10), and he (the 2nd beast, the False Prophet, of Rev. 13:11-18) shall subdue three kings" of the 10.

***Judas Iscariot, the 1st "son of perdition" (John 17:12), was a thief. II Thess. 2:3 speaks of the False Prophet, the 2nd "son of perdition." It says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departure, i.e., the Rapture) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition."

***The False Prophet, the 2nd son of perdition, is also a thief. In Isa. 10:14, he says, "my hand hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped." People that won't take the mark of the beast will evidently have their bank accounts confiscated, seized as forfeited to the public treasury.

***Zech. 5:3,4 says, "This is the curse (the binary asteroid) that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it (the asteroid) shall enter into the house of THE THIEF (the False Prophet, 2nd beast of Rev. 13), and into the house of HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (the Pope, who claims to be infallible, Vicar of God and the Pontifex Maximus, who is the 1st beast of Rev. 13): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > The little horn, the 11th king, the vile king, the antichrist will deny that Jesus is the Son of God. You believe the pope is the antichrist; but how long do you think a pope would last if he told the world that Jesus was not really the Son of God?

***I don't think the Pope is the antichrist. I think the Tribulation Pope will be The Beast. I think The Antichrist will be the Satan-possessed False Prophet. The Pope "sweareth falsely by my name" (i.e., the Lord's name) (Zech. 5:4). The False Prophet is "the thief" of Zech. 5:4, "another little horn" of Dan. 7:8, "the other" of Dan. 7:20, "another" of Dan. 7:24, "a vile person" of Dan. 11:21, and "another" of Rev. 13:11.

***Both The Beast and the False Prophet are seen in Dan. 11:21-23. It says, "in his estate shall stand up a VILE PERSON (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries (Mid-Trib). And with the arms of a flood shall they (3 horns/kings) be overflown from before him, and shall be broken ('plucked up by the roots,' Dan. 7:8,24); yea, also THE PRINCE OF THE COVENANT (The Beast, the Tribulation Pope). And after the league made with him (the False Prophet) he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people."

***Antichrist (the False Prophet) Is "that man of sin," "the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God...Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (II Thess. 2:3-9. He is the one that "doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he (the 2nd beast) had power to do in the sight of THE BEAST" (the 1st beast) (Rev. 13:13,14).

***I John 4:3 says, "And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that SPIRIT of antichrist (SATAN possesses Antichrist), whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world" (Satan entered into Judas Iscariot, the only other son of perdition (John 17:12) besides the Antichrist/False Prophet (II Thess. 2:3).

> > Whatever city the whore may be, I believe it and the Pope are destroyed by fire around the same time the antichrist is killed at mid-trib. Lucifer enters the new Pope (or the old Pope, should he survive the fire) and then becomes the false prophet who says he is Jesus.

***I don't think the False Prophet will say he is Jesus. John 5:43 says, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come IN HIS OWN NAME, him ye will receive." I do think the city of Rev. 17:18 is Vatican city. Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (Pope), he is the head (6th head of the great red dragon); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." The False Prophet is both the 7th head and the tail (Satan, who later is also the 8th of Rev. 17:11). At the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture, the Pope "is" in power (Rev. 17:10). The False Prophet is yet to come. When he comes to full power Mid-Trib, "he must continue a SHORT SPACE," the 1040 days of the Great Tribulation (2300 - 1260 = 1040).

> > Isaiah 28:15
Because ye [Israel] have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge [the Muslim antichrist's armies] shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves

***Death is the False Prophet that rides the pale horse Mid-Trib. Hell (Satan) rides with him for he is Satan possessed (Rev. 6:8).

> > If the antichrist was to come from Rome, don't you think there would be a chief prince of Rome? The absence of any such character in the Bible is one more reason I believe the antichrist comes from the Greek empire territories just as Jesus says in Daniel 10-12.

***I don't think the Antichrist will come from Rome. He may be a Syrian or Iraqi Jew of the tribe of Dan. He will be counted as Roman after he takes over leadership of the United Religions from The Beast. Pope John Paul II is not really Roman, either. He is Karol Wojtyla from Poland, who presides at Vatican City in Rome.

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what is the date for this year pentecost? and is there a particular hour that you are especially WATCHFUL for?

My reply

Sivan 6 on the Talmudic Jewish Calendar is May 28, 2001. The hour? Don't know, but in the parable of the 10 virgins, the Bridegroom came at midnight. That would be Jerusalem time. Agape

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Re: these last 30+ days (hopefully)
I haven't seen a new posting of pro and con for the last few days. I pray that all is well with you and Ed. I have been reading your website for almost 5 years now and I finally have a question to ask. I believe that in one of your P & C's you wrote that there might be a warning of some kind anywhere from 10 days before the rapture up to the day of the rapture as with Lot. If that warning comes early, say 10 days prior, will the members of the Bride of Christ be the only ones who recognize the warning to get ready. If so, will they then be able to tell others that it is imminent and possibly have these "carnal christians" gather enough oil to be included in the Bride of Christ? Or will it be like it says in Rev 22:11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still." Also, if I am not understanding this correctly, please clarify this upcoming time. thanks. May Christ guide you and protect you in these times.

My reply

I UL Pro and Con 736 last night. Have been working on 3 that will need to be UL at the same time.

We're ok. I have a cold, but I'm so thrilled to be out of muscle pain that a cold is just a nuisance. Ed thinks now that the weather has turned its thermostat toward hot, we will throw these little things off with no trouble. There is still snow on the mountains, a pretty sight. It may only last a couple of weeks now.

As for a warning, I don't know if we will get one or not. I just have to keep watching and see. I don't know exactly when it will be too late for foolish virgins to buy oil, but NONE of the foolish ones in the parable went with the Bridegroom when he came. Mt. 24:44 says, "be ye also READY." Mt. 25:10 says, "they that were READY went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut." It's like the Lord closed the door to the Ark after Noah and his family were in to stay. No one else could get in when it started to rain.

> > Rev 22:11 "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still."

If Revelation is written from the vantage point of Ascension Day, 10 days before Pentecost, as 2:10 suggests, Rev. 22:11 might apply to that 10 days. I can't be certain. James 5:7-9 warns, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early (former rain of Tishri, autumn) and latter rain (of Nisan, spring). Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh (spring). GRUDGE NOT one against another, brethren (believers), LEST YE BE CONDEMNED (katakrino, BE JUDGED AGAINST): behold, the judge standeth before the door." Somewhere along the line, the decision will be made by Christ. I don't want to take any chances. I want to be worthy and ready now and stay that way. Nothing can break my faith.

I looked up grudge. It's Strong's 4727: stenazo, to make (intransitively, be) in straits, i.e. (by implication) to sigh, murmur, pray inaudibly: --with grief, groan, grudge, sigh.

That covers a lot of ground. Agape

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AMMAN, April 23 (AFP) - Residents of a Jordanian village attending a funeral got an unwelcome surprise when a fiery meteorite crashed down in their midst, one of them told AFP Monday.

"More than 100 of us were gathered Wednesday at sundown to bury a village resident when we saw a strange object that looked like a ball of fire," said Mohammed Nawaf Mikdadi, mayor of Beit Eidess, some 85 kilometers (50 miles) north of Amman.

"The meteor shot through the sky from west to east before a part of it came down a half kilometer (quarter mile) from the village, sparking an explosion and then a fire with four-meter (12-foot) flames for 10 meters (100 feet) straight," Mikdadi told AFP....

My reply

Thanks. Imagine a lot of these falling. Rev. 6:12,13 says, "I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." And that is just the Introduction. The main feature is still to come. Rev. 8:7 says, "the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up," and that is only the 1st of 7 trumpet judgments.

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On WorldwatchDaily news: There is a report of a meteorite landing 50 miles north of Amman Jordan, on Wednesday the 18th of April. (sent out 12 foot flames around a 100 ft. radius)....travelled from west to east. I have been trying to figure out on my biblical map, the significance of the area. It looks as though it would have travelled from the historical territory of Ephraim to Gad. The 18th of April was 200 days from Tishri 1, and 100 days from the lunar eclipse. Blessings

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Re: Great information
I am very impressed with your understanding of prophecy and eschatology. I think you have alot of revelation and have pieced together much correctly.

Of course, I do not agree with everything I saw on your site :->. I was wondering if you had heard of Michael Rood and studied his materials on the Prophetic Feasts of YHWH and the corrected Hebrew calendar (I notice his site is missing from your links, 6001 being for the corrected year since Creation on the Jewish calendar that began May 5th, 2000), Without properly understanding all of that, I believe it is impossible to come to the right answers on the sequence and timing of events ahead. Of special interest to you would be his free book The Mystery of Iniquity (

Nevertheless, I was delighted to see that you are expecting the same thing I am, Yahushua's return in 2007 in the month of Tishri (although we disagree on the day), and the 2300 days of Daniel count to end thereabouts which means it will be starting around this Pentecost. However, I do not see anywhere that you set a date for when the oblation to start that the man of sin then stops, which will clinch beyond all doubt that that we will have that we are indeed in the 70th week and Ya'acov's trouble (the latter which Rabbis at the wailing wall twice in the week of March 26th declared has arrived, which is very significant since these were both Sephardi and Ashkenazy Rabbis!)

The correct date for Pentecost this year is June 3rd, since the crescent new moon with aviv barley on the Temple Mount was March 26th ( and the Feast of Vikkurim (FirstFruits, and the first day of the 7 week count to Shavuot-Pentecost) was therefore the day after the Sabbath that fell on or after Passover (evening of April 9th), which was April 15th. This was the correct day to begin the seven week count of the Feast of Weeks (Shavuot), and brings us to June 3rd (Siwan 10).

The above is based on the agriculturally and astronomically corrected calendar that Michael Rood teaches, which is in agreement more or less with Karaites. Of course, you understand that the accepted Jewish calendar in use is the antiquated Hillel II diaspora calendar which is only an approximation of the true scriptural lunar-agricultural (not solar) calendar YHWH gave to Moshe. Hillel II adopted the calculations of the Arabs who to this day use a crescent new moon calendar
( But here centuries later it is off and does not coincide with the actual crescent new moon or take into account the barley harvest which is crucial for fulfilling the Feast of the Vikkurim (FirstFruits offering). Now that we have been back in the land since 1948, we can return the YHWH's actual reckoning of time (based off the aviv barley for the year and two witnesses sighting the crescent new moon for the month, and the year from creation 6002, not a point 240.5 years later)

I hope you take the time to look into all this, because once you correct your calendar and feast-day picture errors, I'm excited to see how much more you can figure out of the end-times puzzle. Shalom

My reply

> > 6001 being for the corrected year since Creation on the Jewish calendar that began May 5th, 2000

Yes, I have looked at his web site. I'm not sure that he is right, like you are. For one thing, I think Adam spent 40 years in the Garden, then was cast out. Counting from when he was cast out and man began to be tried being mortal and knowing both good and evil, I figured the 6000th year was 5758 (1997/1998). Counting from Adam's creation, it would be 6040 years.

Last year, Rood thought we should keep the feasts a month late. However, this year, there was Abib barley in time, so there would be no delay this year, regardless. I have found the number of days from Sivan 6 (Pentecost) in 2001 to Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets) in 2007 to be 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning on the Jewish Talmudic Calendar. That last year has to be a Jewish Leap Year, because there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 39:12,13). 5768 is a Leap Year. How could I ever have counted the days if I had to wait to see if there was Abab barley each year? That doesn't seem like the way the Lord plans things. We are given the exact number of days in the Tribulation. I think he would not give them if it was impossible for us to count them.

I feel comfortable with the Talmudic Calendar. It is used by Israel today. It is figured from the New Moon of the following Tishri, and that is figured from the first new moon when that calendar began to be used. The number of days between the spring feasts and the fall feasts is always constant. How far off can it be? It is very close to ours at the end of each 19-year cycle. I have more faith in it than in other people's figures, seeing that these other calendar makers do not agree with each other. Shalom and agape

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Re: concerned
I haven't seen a p/c in a few days and was getting concerned. I pray all is well with you and your family. I've often thought of sending you an e-mail just to tell you how much I appreciate your hard work, patience, tenacity-I could go on. Thank you. I recently felt the Lord shaking me to wake up and once I began to search I found your website. I wish I could put into words the changes in my life.You are an important tool for Him. I am learning so much.

I read today that this -I hope I remember correctly- is a shmita year.The ground is resting. No Firstfruits so this can't be the year? Please help me understand this. I value your opinion greatly. Thanks again and God bless you.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. I UL Pro and Con 736 last night. I have a cold and a nasty cough, but that didn't keep me from typing. I am working on 3 that have to be UL at the same time.

The year 5761 that we are in is a Sabbatic Year. Add 7 bad years and we get 5768, another Sabbatic Year, a perfect year for Christ's return, because it is also a leap year. It has to be a leap year, because there are 7 months between Tishri 1 and the following Nisan 1 (Eze. 39:12,13). Tishri 1, 5768 is Sept. 13, 2007, 14 years after the Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993 and ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1. There are also 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967, when Israel regained the temple area, to Sept. 13, 2007. I don't see how that date could be changed.

Lev. 25:20-22 says, "if ye shall say, What shall we eat the seventh year? behold, we shall not sow, nor gather in our increase: Then I will command my blessing upon you in the sixth year, and it shall bring forth fruit for three years. And ye shall sow the eighth year, and eat yet of old fruit until the ninth year; until her fruits come in ye shall eat of the old store." Do you think Israel trusts God to do this? I don't. They have some arrangement so that the Arabs tend the fields. They are afraid to step out in faith and trust God to do what he said he would do.

Maybe we become the firstfruits instead of the 2 loaves. The figure pictures some reality. Lev. 23:17 says, "Ye shall bring out of your HABITATIONS two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven (heat stops the growth of leaven); they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto the LORD." James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that WE SHOULD BE A KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." Agape

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