Pro and Con 743

Posted 5-2-01

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Mathematics of Creation
Announcing mathematical proof of a Created Solar System - God is real....

The mathematics demonstrates that the major (planetary) orbits of the Solar System are precisely ordered, and conform to an artificial mathematical equation to within 0.2%.

I refer to the equation as The Creation Equation The mathematics proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the scientific account of the origin of the Solar System is not correct.

The math shows the Solar System to be the product of intelligent design...

The order in the orbits of the system represents a signal from a super powerful extraterrestrial intelligence. The signal consists of the entire Solar System. Any intelligence powerful enough to produce a Solar System in close accord with a mathematical equation may justifiably be regarded as God....

The meaning of the signal is obvious...The mathematics must have been first, the system was made to fit the mathematical pattern. The extraterrestrial intelligence that planted the signal must have created the System, since the signal and the System are one and the same. It is self evident that the System could have been made in the truly random way desired by scientists. The fact that there is order where there is no need for it implies that the order was imposed for a reason.

The signal was intended to be understood, otherwise it would be pointless. The message was intended for us, not dinosaurs. That observation allows us to deduce that the signal was implanted in anticipation of intelligent life on Earth. It would be stupid to create a mathematical message in an ordered System, and then leave it to chance to evolve the recipient of the message.

The signal was meant for us, that much should be clear. The signal is not hidden, it has been there always.... The signal was left so that Humanity might one day discover it and learn from it.

Can we conclude that this 'signal' was implanted to inform us that there really is a God, and that we really are created ? We are created, not evolved.

The message informs us that there is a purpose to it all. The Power that made us did so for a reason, and whatever that reason might be, it is important enough to justify imposing order on an entire Solar System.

The Solar System was made for us, not the other way round.

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Once Again, much thanks for your faithful study and sharing of God's Word. Recently, on the Pro-Con; someone said that there's not much going on the Middle East and how...could the rapture be coming soon. a Jewish neighbor sent this from the Jerusalem Post:
In the: A Victory for Sharon - of sorts - 4-30-01
"Peres let out that Israel and the Palestinians have been busy drawing up a crease-fire agreement that would be followed by negotiations...."
Apparently, these are secret meetings being held in Egypt...somewhere in this article there is mention of '4 weeks'. Even Come Quickly our Wonderful Lord Jesus
More: 5-3-01 - Jerusalem Post
US backs Israel on Arab proposal, By Janine Zacharia

WASHINGTON - In his meeting yesterday with Foreign Minister Shimon Peres, US Secretary of State Colin Powell "expressed understanding" for Israel's position regarding the Egyptian- Jordanian proposal for a cease-fire, according to a diplomatic source in Washington.

On Tuesday night, however, Peres - who was due last night to hold an unscheduled meeting at a Washington location with Qatari Foreign Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr al-Thani - said Israel is already negotiating "privately" with Palestinian officials.

"The Palestinians don't want to make it public," he said, because they are "afraid of disappointment."
5-02-01 - Syria Has Ruled Out Military Offensive Against Israel 'For Now' (Middle East Newsline

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things are just fallen in place, and the stage is set! Hopefully, we'll see you in the air at the end of the month, our MEMORIAL DAY, boy will it be memoriable alright! God Bless You and Ed!

Pope's visit to Greece infuriates Orthodox Church
By Philip Sherwell
4-29-01 - A poster outside Fr Chrysostomos's church spells out Orthodox opposition to the visit. Denouncing the Pope as a "false prophet and the anti-Christ" who adorns his mitre with "666", it announces a demonstration to be held tomorrow against the visit and lists the historical crimes for which successive popes were allegedly responsible.

Fr Nektarios, abbot of a monastery on the Corinthian Gulf, said: "It is a fairytale to say that the Pope is just coming on a personal pilgrimage. He is doing this because he wants the Orthodox Church to recognise him. He wants recognition as a global religious leader.

The Pope will become the first leader of the Roman Catholic Church to enter a mosque during a visit to Syria, where he arrives on Saturday. He is due to say a joint invocation - but not prayer - with Muslim clerics in the Omayyad Mosque, reputedly the last resting place of the head of John the Baptist.

My reply

Thanks. I expect the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 to be the Tribulation Pope and the False Prophet to be the beast of Rev. 13:11-18.

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From: CAPS
Re: PRO & CON 127
...It is almost 3 years since this series of words were received. We have all read them. I have read and re-read them. I just do not see how any man could have come up with what is in these words. I remember the day when these were received. There was a heavy anointing in the air. Time seemed suspended. We will soon see if this was a valid series of words or not. At the time I could not believe that it was referring to a 3 year period. I did not want it to be that long. Yet, no doubt that is what is being referred to in these words. No need to re-post these unless you feel led to. I just wanted to write you both and reflect on the last 3 years. It has been quite a trip hasn't it ?

God bless you both for your faithfulness in what God has called you to perform in these final days.

My reply


Three days could indicate 3 years. The Day of Christ is the Day of the Son of Man, the Rapture (Luke 17:22-25). "BE READY" is good advise.


The verse I saw a rectangle of light on in a darkened room said, "Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; PUBLISH, AND CONCEAL NOT: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces" (Jer. 50:2).

Babylon is doomed before it is built to its final destiny of greatness. The Beast and False Prophet are doomed along with the city that houses the One World Government and the United Religions. Satan is doomed, though he will fight till the end of Armageddon. Christ will be the winner of the angelic conflict. We are on the winning side. Thank you Lord for giving us a chance to be saved.


This could represent years after Pentecost 1998, maybe the 3 years the Lord referred to in Luke 13:6-10. "He spake also this parable; A certain man had a fig tree (Israel, Joel 1:6,7: Hosea 9:10; Eze. 36:8; Jer. 24,5,6; 29:16,17) planted in his vineyard (Israel, Isa. 5:7); and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none. Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard, Behold, these THREE YEARS (5758 (1998) + 3 = 5761 (2001) I come seeking fruit on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down; why cumbereth it the ground? And he answering said unto him, Lord, LET IT ALONE THIS YEAR ALSO, till I shall DIG ABOUT IT, AND DUNG IT: And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down (in the Tribulation). And he was teaching in one of the synagogues on the SABBATH." 5761 (2000/2001) and 5768 (2007/2008) are Sabbatic Years.

Isa. 18:3-6 mentions that the Lord will take his "rest," suggesting the Sabbatical Year. It says, "All ye inhabitants of the world, and dwellers on the earth, see ye, when he lifteth up an ensign (flag of OWG) on the mountains (nations); and WHEN HE (THE LORD) BLOWETH A TRUMPET, HEAR YE. For so the LORD said unto me, I WILL TAKE MY REST (SABBATH DAY, SABBATIC YEAR, JUBILEE YEAR OR FEAST DAY), and I will consider (nabat, see, look at) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of HARVEST. For afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the SOUR GRAPE IS RIPENING IN THE FLOWER (late May or early June), he shall both cut off the sprigs (with no fruit) with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches (twigs with no foliage). THEY SHALL BE LEFT together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth (the Beast and False Prophet, Rev. 13): and the fowls shall (after the spring Rapture) SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall winter upon them."

If the spring Rapture is on this Pentecost, it is a day of rest in a Sabbatic Year of rest.


Good news. Then the things in Revelation should be "at hand."


Heb. 4:9 says, "There remaineth therefore A REST to the people of God." Psa. 149:5 says, "Let the saints be joyful in glory (Heaven): let them sing (the 'new song,' Rev. 5:9) aloud upon their BEDS."

Thanks for reminding me. Agape

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Thank you Marilyn for always being on top of issues and your work for Jesus. Since I have been introduced to your site several years ago I have read your site daily. You help me to feel less alone. I know He is with me always,but it is a grueling environment here. Lots of ungodly people. The other reason for this message is because you have also been a close friend to me,in churches and elsewhere I can find NO ONE to discuss prophecy with,especially the nearness of the rapture.And yet with all I read, the rapture seems to be imminently set for this particular time!

The heart of this letter is to thank you for being there,your love for Jesus,and your passion for the furtherment of His Kingdom and the Shouting of His return.

I'm amazed at how few care! Imagine how He felt standing there in human flesh and being rejected!I believe I would faint to be so privileged to bodily be standing before the God of the Universe in the flesh! God bless you my dear sister in Jesus!! See you soon?!? Agape

My reply

I appreciate your kind words. It's an exciting time to live. There are a lot of godless things going on around us too, as everywhere, and different things keep breaking down, but I just think, "What next? Well, what did you expect? we are living in the end of the age." It will all be worth going through when we stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ. If we could choose when to be born, wouldn't we choose this time? I wouldn't change it for anything.

I may faint too when I see Him. Look what happened to John in the Preview of the Rapture. Rev. 1:17 says, "when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last." Agape

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Re: Isa 29:1 "let them kill sacrifices"
Shalom Marilyn, I have not seen you write anything about the oblation of Daniel that the Anti-Messiah must stop (Dan 8:14, 9:27), but I found this verse recently that seems to imply that now that Ariel Sharon is in power, we'll see the war of Isaiah 29 and Zech 12 fulfilled and as a result the oblation will begin on schedule so it can be stopped on schedule at the middle of the week through the Abomination of Desoation on Purim, 2004 (Dan 12:11).

Isaiah 29:1 (KJV) - Woe to Ariel, to Ariel, the city where David dwelt! add ye year to year; let them kill sacrifices. The rest of the chapter describes the threat of a multitude surrounding Zion that are consumed and made like dust and chaff in a single day (nuclear weapons will be used). Admittedly, only KJV translates this as "let them kill sacrifices" while all later translations say "let the feasts go round"...but it is still interesting how it draws your attention to Dan 8:14 about the oblation.

Also notice that it mentions Ariel twice, similar to Revelation's "Babylon has fallen, has fallen" and Zephaniah's " "Gather yourselfs to gather, yes gather" all indicating double fulfillments. So perhaps two Ariels are indicated, Ariel the city or Yerushalayim, and Ariel Sharon the man, leader over all Israel.

"Add year to year" seems to be saying something about two years. Either this means the sacrifices run for two years before the Anti-Messiah stops them (2300-1290 = 2.8 years) or it takes two years before Ariel allows them to kill sacrifices from when he takes office? However, if this latter case is correct, I'm not sure what the 2300 mornings and evenings begins with, since then it cannot be commencing of the morning and evening oblation and still finish in time for Sept, 2007. Otherwise Dan 8:14 might as well have said 2300 yom or days, not erev and boker or morning and evenings. So I think it must be tied to the oblation and the former explanation.

My reply

> > we'll see the war of Isaiah 29 and Zech 12 fulfilled and as a result the oblation will begin on schedule so it can be stopped on schedule at the middle of the week through the Abomination of Desolation on Purim, 2004 (Dan 12:11).

Israel's starting to sacrifice may come about because of the covenant of Dan. 9:27 and the arrival of Moses and Elijah. If the 2300 days start this Sivan 6, Pentecost, the 1260 days of Moses and Elijah's prophesying would be up and the False Prophet would come to complete power on Cheshvan 23, 5765 (Sunday, Nov. 7, 2004). He would kill Moses and Elijah. They would be resurrected and caught up to Heaven on Cheshvan 27, the day the Earth dried in Noah's day.

In Isa. 29:1, "Ariel" means lion of God. Christ is Ariel and Jerusalem is called Ariel because it is where He chose to put his name. It is the same way with the morning star. Christ calls himself the "morning star" (Rev. 22:16), because that is where his "place" (John 14:2,3) is located.

Woe to Ariel, the lion of God, happened in 30 AD. I think Woe to Ariel, the city where David dwelt, will come on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:13,14) of the Tribulation, which is the 5th cycle of discipline. Lev. 26:27,28 says, "if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me; Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins." A time can be a year, as in Dan. 12:7; Rev. 12:6,14. Seven times can represent 7 years.

Isa. 29:5-8 says of the 2300th day, the Day of God's Wrath, when He steps in and fights for Israel, "the multitude of thy strangers shall be like small dust, and the multitude of the terrible ones shall be as chaff that passeth away: yea, it (the Woe, the asteroid impact in the Mediterranean, Rev. 8:8) shall be at an instant suddenly. Thou shalt be visited of the LORD of hosts with thunder, and with earthquake, and great noise (heard around the world, Jer. 25:31) with storm and tempest, and the flame of devouring fire (Isa. 9:5). And the multitude of all the nations that fight against Ariel, even all that fight against her and her munition, and that distress her, shall be as a dream of a night vision. It shall even be as when an hungry man dreameth, and, behold, he eateth; but he awaketh, and his soul is empty: or as when a thirsty man dreameth, and, behold, he drinketh; but he awaketh, and, behold, he is faint, and his soul hath appetite: so shall the multitude of all the nations (Gog's army, Eze. 38) be, that fight against mount Zion." Isa.31:4,5 says, "so shall the LORD of hosts (Christ, Isa. 44:6) come down to fight for mount Zion."

Jer. 25:31 says, "A noise shall come even to the ends of the earth; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword (The Sword of the Lord, the asteroid), saith the LORD."

Zech. 12:3,8,9 is also talking about the Day of God's Wrath, often referred to as "that day.". "And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.... In THAT DAY shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them. And it shall come to pass in THAT DAY, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem."

This is the same war as in Eze. 38. It is when fury comes up in the Lord's face (v. 18). V. 20 says of the result of His wrath, "the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, the Sign of the Son of Man), and the mountains (asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10) shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground."

Civilization as we know it will be destroyed in the world-wide earthquake, when every wall shall fall. Earth will be knocked upside down. Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

> > nuclear weapons will be used

I think it is asteroid impacts, but the worldwide earthquake may set of reactions in the atomic reactors around the world.

> > KJV translates this as "let them kill sacrifices" while all later translations say "let the feasts go round"...but it is still interesting how it draws your attention to Dan 8:14 about the oblation.

I agree. We are probably meant to figure the years of the 5th cycle of discipline, the 7 years of the 70th week of Dan. 9:27. The feast go around each year.

> > I'm not sure what the 2300 mornings and evenings begins with, since then it cannot be commencing of the morning and evening oblation and still finish in time for Sept, 2007.

I think the 2300 evenings and mornings are 2300 literal days (Dan. 8:26; Gen. 1:5). They may start on Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001), Pentecost/Feast of Weeks. If the 2300 days starts on this Sivan 6, the 2300th day, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, will end on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), the Feast of Trumpets. Shalom and agape

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Re: 666, from 5doves web site
Espana Author: Leo Posted: Fri Apr 27 2001
...Dr. Javier Solana is a Spaniard and his countrymen (King Juan Carlos and Spain's Foreign Minister to name a few) are working behind the scenes to mediate Mideast peace. Wouldn't it be timely if comprehensive peace agreements were reached during Spain's 6-month EU presidency from January 1 to June 30, 2002? If the Peacemaker turns out to be a Spaniard, the EU could very well say to him "Keep the job on a permanent basis. You earned it." Give this man the leadership of the EU and he'll think global, i.e., world leader.
From Attorney Constance Cumby
...since November 22, 1995, I have carefully observed the role that Javier Solana has played. He came to world power in 10 days of November 1995. Those 10 days started with the Socialist, former Marxist concluding a treaty with Israel on behalf of the EU, which gave him a full power of attorney to do so. He then chaired the Barcelona Conference which was a self-conscious revival of the old Roman empire. It consisted of 15 European and 12 North African nations, including Israel and the Palestinian Union. On November 30, 1995, he was unanimously picked to be the new head of NATO. He aspired to be the new head of the European Union, but he wasn't given that honor. The honor went to Prodi, but the real POWER went to Javier Solana who was made the total czar of all European military and foreign policy. His enabling resolution, believe it or not, enacted by the WEU, giving him dictatorial powers to convene the European Council and assume police powers over Europe in the event of an emergency, using the CIMIC concept (Civilian-Military Cooperation -- as in 'you will cooperate, you will enjoy!) was ASSEMBLY RECOMMENDATION 666. Check it out using He headed the Western European Union and still does -- that is your true federation of 10 nations. He is intensely anti-clerical. As far as I know, he has not a religious bone in his body....

Javier was the attributed author of the Israeli Peace Process and he plays that role today. 4) He would tear and stamp and even make war against the Saints....His number would be 666. That was the number of Solana's empowering resolution in the WEU and was adopted by the Council of Europe...he is ruthless in his actions and he has now total global influence, including with USA leaders....

My reply

I doubt that he will be the first beast of Rev. 13 or the False Prophet, the second beast of Rev. 13. The Beast and False Prophet are two different men. Rev. 19:20 says, "THE BEAST was taken, and with him THE FALSE PROPHET that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These BOTH were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

The Beast is worshipped. Rev. 13:4 says, "they worshipped the dragon (Satan) which gave power unto the beast: and THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? (none is like the Pope) who is able to make war with him?" Who would make war with the Pope?

The Beast is given power over ALL NATIONS. Rev. 13:7,8 says, "it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS. And all that dwell upon the earth shall WORSHIP HIM, whose names are NOT written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." This sounds like he is head of the OWG or UN and the United Religions.

Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail." I think the Tribulation Pope is the ancient and honourable, The Beast. The False Prophet is called the tail, because he is Satan possessed. Satan is the great red dragon. The Beast is the 6th head of the great red dragon. The False Prophet is the 7th head. Satan is "the eighth" (Rev. 17:11), i.e., the final tail.

In Rev. 17:10, "there are seven kings: five are fallen, and ONE IS (at the time of the Rapture), and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space." The short space is the Great Tribulation (Mt. 24:22), the last 3.5 years of the Tribulation. The 5 heads that have fallen are kings of: (1) Babel, (2) Media-Persia, (3) Babylon, (4) Greece and (5) Holy Roman Empire. The 6th head is The Beast, head of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire, the Pope.

In Rev. 17:14, the Rapture has just taken place. They "that ARE with him (Christ, the Lamb of God) are called, and chosen, and faithful." Those that are not called, AND chosen, AND faithful are left behind, "And it was given unto him (The Beast) to make war with the saints" (Tribulation saints) (Rev. 13:7). The False Prophet will also kill saints. Rev. 13:15 shows that if they don't "worship the image of the beast should be killed." Rev. 12:17 says that the dragon "went to make war with the remnant of her (Israel's) seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." This is Mid-Trib, when the False Prophet becomes Satan-possessed after Satan is cast out of Heaven "into the earth." He "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit" (Rev. 17:8) and go into the False Prophet, who at that time becomes the 7th head of the great red dragon.

The title Pontifex Maximus, high priest of the Mystery Religion of Babylon, was on all 5 heads that have fallen. The title Pontifex Maximus is on the Pope too. He is the present head of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire. He is the ONE that IS in command when the Rapture takes place. He opens "his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven" (Rev. 13:6). He IS in command when the Rapture takes the Bride of Christ to "dwell in heaven" at the Pre-Trib Rapture. He is left behind, so he blasphemes God and the Bride.

Zech. 5:1-4 says, "I turned, and lifted up mine eyes (looking at the sky), and looked, and behold a flying roll (flying rolling thing, the binary asteroid of Rev. 8:8,10). And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits (the binary asteroid is twice as long as it is wide). Then said he unto me, THIS IS THE CURSE that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: (it was symbolized by the 2 stone tablets in the Ark) for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of THE THIEF (like Judas Iscariot, the False Prophet is a thief. He confiscates bank accounts when people won't take the mark of the beast), and into the house of HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (the Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

I can't see The Beast being Javier Solana. He "has not a religious bone in his body....He would tear and stamp and even make war against the Saints....His number would be 666." Javier Solana is not head of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire. He is not likely to swear falsely by the Lord's name as the Pope does when he claims to be infallible.The 666 belongs to the False Prophet, not The Beast. Javier Solana is not as likely as the Pope to be called "The ancient and honourable," as The Beast is in Isa. 9:5.

I can't see the False Prophet being Javier Solana, either. I think he will be a Jew. I can't see Jews accepting anyone as messiah that is not a Jew. John 5:43 says, "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." The Jews are expecting Messiah Ben David. That would have to be a Jew. Agape

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I just got through reading your P&C 740. What inspiration! I have a feeling that this piece of literature, your answer to the Rabbi, will accomplish a lot more than what meets the eye. Hopefully, our Lord will OPEN his eyes to the real truth once and for all. I think you have done your best work of writing in this answer, ever. Thank you God, thank you Marilyn! We all pray for BIG results....

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Re: eastern star
...I have noticed since I started walking in early a.m. a very bright eastern star. This morning it did not fade until the sun had almost completely risen. Do you know which planet it is, if it is a planet? If not, do you know what it is? It is so much brighter, shines so much stronger than all the other stars out as morning approaches. Thank you. In His grace & love.

My reply

I think it is Venus. It came into our view on Easter and is so bright that it looks like a beacon in the sky. It outshines Sirius and Jupiter. Venus is about the size of Earth and is closer to the Sun than we are. It has lots of cloud cover that reflects the sunshine. Agape

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