Pro and Con 745

Posted 5-8-01

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Let me reply to your view that, "Dan. 8:9's "little horn" is the Satan-possessed False Prophet." First, if this is true, then that means Daniel has nothing to say concerning the antichrist since 8-12 are all speaking of the same person who you believe is the False Prophet. It is inconceivable to me that Daniel would detail the future of Alexanderís Empire down to the minutia of how his four generals and their offspring would divide up the empire and then SKIP OVER the antichrist with no mention at all.

Secondly, what about the 2300 days associated with the character of 8.9. You say the False Prophet rules for 31/2 years, but the person of Dan 8.9 is around for 2300 days. This is the antichrist who IS around for the entire tribulation. You seem to think that when the antichrist is killed after mid-trib that he just goes away and is never heard from again (for the last half of the trib) until he is dropped into The Lake of Fire.. Donít forget that it is the false prophet who causes all the earth to worship the beast who was killed but now LIVES. The antichrist is the person who is "raised" from the dead by the false prophet. The false prophet only "exercises" the power of the first beast/antichrist before him. The false prophet does not set himself up as God, he sets up the worship of the antichrist as God. He, the false prophet, is a PROPHET proclaiming the antichrist to be God (for the last 31/2 years of the trib).

You said: "The beginning of the False Prophet's rule is marked by the sacrificing that stops Mid-Trib because the False Prophet becomes Satan-possessed and sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God" (II Thess. 2:4). He is "that Wicked" "whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS" (II Thess. 2:8,9; see Rev. 13:13-15)."

You agree that the abomination occurs at mid-trib, the 1260th day of the trib. If this is the false prophet that "shows he is God" then his rule had to have begun BEFORE the 1260 days of the beast/antichrist were over.

To say it another way, the person "showing himself to be God" does this on the 1260th day of the tribulation at the time the sacrifice is taken away. If this is the false prophet, then his rule had to have begun PRIOR to the ending of the antichristís 1260 days.

And, one more way to say it. If the false prophet was in rule before the sacrifice was taken away, then that means he will rule longer than 1260 days. These are major biblical contradictions.

This is where I think you have lost the trail, Marilyn. Since I think we may be having "a failure to communicate" thing going on here, I propose that we agree to one condition. Letís use Biblical terminology for the characters in dispute.

Letís use the terminology God uses when telling of the death of these two characters in Revelation 19.20. "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." (Revelation 19:20)

Character #1. The Beast. I say this is the antichrist since the other character is clearly named by God as "the false prophet".
Character #2. The False Prophet. I say this is the false prophet since God calls him by this name.

Attributes of the false prophet according to Revelation 19.20
1.) Performs miracles in the presence of the beast/antichrist
2.) These miracles deceive two distinct groups:
- a.) those who "HAD RECEIVED" the mark of the beast/antichrist.
- b.) those who worshipped the image of the beast/antichrist.

Attributes of the false prophet according to Revelation 13.11-18
1.) Performs miracles in the presence of the beast/antichrist v14
2.) These miracles deceive the entire earth v12-14
- a.) false prophetís power to do the miracles is associated with being in the presence of the beast/antichrist. v14
3.) Says that the people of earth should make an image to the beast/antichrist who NOW lives AFTER having the "wound by the sword". This is Biblical proof that the beast/antichrist does not receive his wound until AFTER he has entered Jerusalem at mid-trib.

But you contend, Marilyn, that it is the false prophet that is in power at day 1260 of the tribulation and stops the sacrifice. You said:
"***The beginning of the False Prophet's rule is marked by the sacrificing that stops Mid-Trib because the False Prophet becomes Satan-possessed and sits in the temple "shewing himself that he is God"
"***We know that there are 1260 days in the first half of the Tribulation, and that The Beast rules during this 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). We also know that there is another 1260-day period, the Great Tribulation, during which the False Prophet rules. The 1260th day of The Beast's rule ends Mid-Trib. Then the False Prophet begins to rule the next day, the 1st day of the 2nd 1260-day period."

For this to be true, the false prophet would have had to overthrow the power of the beast/antichrist before entering Jerusalem. The beast/antichrist is NEVER usurped by the false prophet. The dragon, Lucifer, ALLOWS the false prophet to exercise all the power of the first beast, the beast/antichrist who now lives (v12). The false prophet causes the people of the earth to WORSHIP the first beast (the beast/antichrist). The false prophet is a cheerleader, he is not the captain of the team.

Not only does Daniel 8 associate its character with 2300 days, but Daniel 9.27 associates him with the seven year covenant. You say the false prophet rules only 31/2 years. Another contradiction.

You said: "We know that there are 1260 days in the first half of the Tribulation, and that The Beast rules during this 1260 days (Rev. 13:5)"

I must completely disagree with this. Revelation 13.3 shows that the world wondered after the beast/antichristís deadly wound was healed. This is the first beast whose deadly wound was healed in 13.12. 13.12 is the same verse that tells us the false prophet causes the earth to worship the first beast/antichrist whose deadly wound was healed.

3.4 tells that the world worships the dragon, Lucifer, who gave power to the beast/antichrist. The world also worships the beast/antichrist. This "worship" is not mentioned until AFTER the beast/antichrist has suffered his deadly wound and has been healed. It is this "healing" miracle that has deceived the world into believing that the beast/antichrist is too powerful to war against.

13.5 begins with "AND" which means the continuation of the previous sequence of events being discussed. "And there was given unto him [the beast/antichrist whose deadly wound was healed] a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him TO CONTINUE forty and two months."

TO CONTINUE means to carry on with something that has already been going on. You cannot jump back in time to the beginning of the tribulation for these forty and two months. The beast/antichrist, who is the subject of verse three and four is still the subject in verse five, is to continue ANOTHER forty two months AFTER his deadly wound is healed.

TO CONTINUE means this person is not beginning something. The false prophet cannot CONTINUE something you claim has not even begun until mid-tribulation.

What is different about the beast/antichrist in the second half of the tribulation is that he is Satan possessed. This is what makes the 11th horn of Daniel 7.24 diverse from the first ten horns. Again the 31/2 years are mentioned in v25. This is the amount of time that the SATAN POSSESSED beast/antichrist has power.

To sum all this up, Marilyn, your view makes the false prophet the main character in prophecy and virtually eliminates all mention of the antichrist, whose role is forced to become just a mere bit player. This is totally inconsistent with the big picture of the Bible.

Since you have listed all the references you believe point to the false prophet, would it be too much to ask you to list all the references you believe apply to the antichrist?

I hope you Ed are over the hump with your colds. Agape as always

My reply

As far as I can tell, the Bible does not tell us to call the 1st beast of Rev. 13 the Antichrist. I call him The Beast, as in Rev. 20. I think the 2nd beast of Rev. 13 is the False Prophet and final Antichrist because he is Satan-possessed.

I agree with Scofield, who said, "The 'many antichrists' precede and prepare the way for the Antichrist, who is 'the Beast out of the earth' of Rev. 13:11-17, and the 'false prophet' of Rev. 16:13; 19:20; 20:10. He is the last ecclesiastical head."

Scriptures that mention antichrist show us his attributes. I John 2:18 says, "Little children (last generation), it is the last time (could indicate a year, Rev. 12:6,14): and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time."
I John 2:22 says, "Who is A LIAR but HE THAT DENIETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON."
I John 4:3 says, "EVERY SPIRIT THAT CONFESSETH NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH is not of God: and THIS IS THAT SPIRIT OF ANTICHRIST, whereof ye have heard that it (Satan) should come; and even now already is it in the world."
II John 1:7 says, "For many DECEIVERS are entered into the world, WHO CONFESS NOT THAT JESUS CHRIST IS COME IN THE FLESH. THIS IS A DECEIVER AND AN ANTICHRIST."

The spirit of Antichrist is Satan. Antichrist is a liar and a deceiver. He denies the Father and the Son. He denies that Jesus is the Christ and that he has come in the flesh. He is the "man of sin," "the son of perdition," the "Wicked...whose coming is after the working of Satan with ALL POWER AND SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS." He is the LIAR who tells "A LIE: THAT THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, BUT HAD PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS." He is the one "Who opposeth and EXALTETH HIMSELF ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD, OR THAT IS WORSHIPPED; SO THAT HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD" (II Thess. 2:3-12).

This ties in with Dan. 9:27: "in the midst of the week (70th week of Daniel, i.e., 7 years) HE SHALL CAUSE THE SACRIFICE AND THE OBLATION TO CEASE." It ties in with Dan. 8:25: "HE SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes (Christ); but he shall be broken without hand." It ties in with Dan. 8:11: "BY HIM THE DAILY SACRIFICE WAS TAKEN AWAY."

Rev. 13:11 calls him "ANOTHER" and says, "HE SPAKE AS A DRAGON" (SATAN), because Satan is in him from Mid-Trib, from the 1st day of the 2nd 1260 days (Rev. 12:6), to the 1040th day of the Great Tribulation, which is the 2300th day of the Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14). He "doeth great WONDERS (signs), so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men" (Rev. 13:11-13). He is the one that causes people to take the mark of the beast, or the beast's name, or the number of his name in their right hand, or in their foreheads (Rev. 13:16,17).

This ties in with Dan. 7:20-26: "And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of THE OTHER which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a MOUTH THAT SPAKE VERY GREAT THINGS, WHOSE LOOK WAS MORE STOUT THAN HIS FELLOWS (because he is Satan possessed). I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom....the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and ANOTHER shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first (i.e., there are 2 different men), and he shall subdue three kings. And HE SHALL SPEAK GREAT WORDS AGAINST THE MOST HIGH (CHRIST) and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time (last 1260 days of the Tribulation, Rev. 6:6,14). But the judgment shall sit (Judgment Seat of Christ), and they shall take away his dominion (the False Prophet is deposed on the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets that starts the Millennium), to consume and to destroy it unto the end" of the full 2520 days, when dominion is taken away from the "eighth" (Satan) (Rev. 17:11), at the Judgment of the Nations.

This ties in with Dan. 11:35,36. At the "time of the end...the king shall do according to his will; and he shall EXALT HIMSELF ABOVE EVERY GOD (MID-TRIB), and shall speak marvellous things AGAINST THE GOD of gods, and SHALL PROSPER TILL THE INDIGNATION BE ACCOMPLISHED (on the 2300th day, the Day of God's Wrath)...HE SHALL MAGNIFY HIMSELF ABOVE ALL."

We have seen that the 2nd beast of Rev. 13, the False Prophet, rules during the Great Tribulation, that he exalts himself above God, and that he speaks against God and against Christ. He is the "LIAR ...THAT DENIETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST...HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON" (I John 2:22 ).

The first beast of Rev. 13 is a man of the cloth, meaning he is a religious leader. He is the one that rides forth on a white horse as a prince of peace as the Tribulation begins. He has a "bow" (toxon, simple fabric) to show that he is a man of the cloth (Rev. 6:2). He is the 6th head of the great red dragon. (The False Prophet is the 7th.) Upon the first beast's head is "THE NAME OF BLASPHEMY" (PONTIFEX MAXIMUS) (Rev. 13:1). This name, given the high priest of the Mystery Religion of Babylon, is on all 7 heads of the 7 empires.

This man of the cloth is an old man. Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (i.e., the Tribulation Pope), he is the head (6th); and the PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES (the 7th head), he is the tail" because Satan, the tail of the great red dragon, is in him.

Zech. 5:3,4 says, "This is the curse (the binary asteroid) that goeth forth (orbits) over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it. I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of THE THIEF (THE FALSE PROPHET THAT STEALS THE WORLD CHURCH), and into the house of HIM THAT SWEARETH FALSELY BY MY NAME (THE FIRST BEAST of Rev. 13, the TRIBULATION POPE: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

The 2nd beast of Rev. 13 would not swear anything by God's name. Only the Tribulation Pope will do this. He is the one who wrongly claims infallibility. He even calls himself the Vicar of Christ, which the False Prophet would never do.

> > what about the 2300 days associated with the character of 8.9. You say the False Prophet rules for 31/2 years, but the person of Dan 8.9 is around for 2300 days.

Both the 1st and 2nd beasts of Rev. 13 are around the whole time. They confirm the covenant of Dan. 9:27 as the Tribulation begins and are cast into the Lake of Fire after the Tribulation ends. The 1st beast rules during the 1st half of the Tribulation, he is superceded by the 2nd beast Mid-Trib, but the 1st beast is still around to be cast in the fire at the end. The 2nd beast is there to confirm the covenant as the Tribulation begins, but he does not come to full power until he is Satan-possessed Mid Trib. He is deposed on the 2300th day, but is still around to be cast in the fire at the end.

> > The antichrist is the person who is "raised" from the dead by the false prophet.

Where does it say that the False Prophet raises the 1st beast from the dead? Rev. 13:3 says, "I saw one (the 6th) of his (the great red dragon's) heads AS IT WERE (symbolic language) wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed." Rev. 13:12 says, "the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Jer. 6:13-15 says, "from THE PROPHET even unto THE PRIEST every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, SAYING, PEACE, PEACE; WHEN THERE IS NO PEACE. Were they ashamed when they had committed ABOMINATIONS? nay, they were not at all ashamed." The priest is the Tribulation Pope. The other is the False Prophet. Both confirm the covenant of Dan. 9:27 and use idols (abominations). Jer. 7:30 says, "the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it."

> > The false prophet does not set himself up as God, he sets up the worship of the antichrist as God.

The False Prophet is the son of perdition "Who opposeth and EXALTETH HIMSELF ABOVE ALL THAT IS CALLED GOD, OR THAT IS WORSHIPPED; SO THAT HE AS GOD SITTETH IN THE TEMPLE OF GOD, SHEWING HIMSELF THAT HE IS GOD" (II Thess. 2:3-12). The False Prophet has the people of the world, members of the United Religions, worship the Tribulation Pope, the 1st beast of Rev. 13. Rev. 13:8 says, "all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world." Satan, in the False Prophet, just wants people to worship a man and an idol so they won't be saved and he can have them killed if they don't bow down to the idol.

> > the person "showing himself to be God" does this on the 1260th day of the tribulation at the time the sacrifice is taken away. If this is the false prophet, then his rule had to have begun PRIOR to the ending of the antichristís 1260 days.

I think the False Prophet will cause the sacrificing to stop on day #1 of the 2nd 1260-day period. I expect both beasts of Rev. 13 to be around during the whole 7-year 70th week of Dan. 9:27, just the same as they are now. Both are grown men during the Tribulation. The 1st, the Beast, "is" when the Rapture takes place (Rev. 17:10-14). After the Rapture, The Beast will be made head of the OWG/UN and United Religions. The False Prophet "is not yet come" to be head over the OWG/UN and UR, but he is in some office, because he confirms the covenant as the Tribulation begins.

> > Character #1. The Beast. I say this is the antichrist since the other character is clearly named by God as "the false prophet".

I call the 1st beast The Beast and the 2nd one the False Prophet already. I think the False Prophet is the final Antichrist, but because some call the 1st beast the Antichrist, I seldom use the word.

> > a.) false prophetís power to do the miracles is associated with being in the presence of the beast/antichrist. v14

I think he brings forth his "miracles" (lit., signs) after he becomes Satan-possessed when Satan is cast out of heaven and into the Earth Mid-Trib. He "shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and GO INTO PERDITION (apoleia)" (Rev. 17:8).

There are only 2 sons of perdition. II Thess. 2:3 says, "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away (apostasia, departing, i.e., the Rapture) first, and that MAN OF SIN be revealed, THE SON OF PERDITION (apoleia)." After the Rapture, the man of sin will be revealed, because he and The Beast will confirm the covenant.

John 17:12 says of the only other son of perdition, Judas Iscariot, whom Satan entered into, "While I (Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but THE SON OF PERDITION (apoleia); that the scripture might be fulfilled." Satan entered into Judas Iscariot and he will enter into the only other son of perdition, the False Prophet.

Rev. 17:11 says, "the beast that was, and is not, even he (Satan) is the eighth, and is of the seven, and GOETH INTO PERDITION (apoleia)." Satan enters into the False Prophet, who is then the son of perdition.

> > Says that the people of earth should make an image to the beast/antichrist who NOW lives AFTER having the "wound by the sword". This is Biblical proof that the beast/antichrist does not receive his wound until AFTER he has entered Jerusalem at mid-trib.

Rev. 13:14 (KJV) says, "that they should make an image to the beast, which HAD the wound by a sword, and did live." The Beast "had" the wound in the past. The RSV says, "the beast which WAS WOUNDED by the sword and yet lived." The wounding was in the past, before the False Prophet takes over as head of the OWG/UN and UR.

In Rev. 12:3, we see the great red dragon Mid-Trib. At that time, he has "seven crowns upon his heads." The False Prophet is that 7th head. He is the one that the tail (Satan) possesses. Isa. 9:15 says, "The ancient and honourable (i.e., the Tribulation Pope), he is the head (the 6th); and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail" (and the 7th head).

When the Tribulation first begins, I think The Beast, the 6th head, will be made head over the OWG/UN and UR. Re. 13:3 says of the great red dragon, "I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast." The Beast is the 6th head of the great red dragon. The False Prophet is the 7th head of the great red dragon. The 6th head is the one that is wounded and healed. He is wounded before the 7th head comes to full power Mid-Trib.

> > > (Marilyn said) The 1260th day of The Beast's rule ends Mid-Trib. Then the False Prophet begins to rule the next day, the 1st day of the 2nd 1260-day period."

> > For this to be true, the false prophet would have had to overthrow the power of the beast/antichrist before entering Jerusalem. The beast/antichrist is NEVER usurped by the false prophet. The dragon, Lucifer, ALLOWS the false prophet to exercise all the power of the first beast, the beast/antichrist who now lives (v12). The false prophet causes the people of the earth to WORSHIP the first beast (the beast/antichrist). The false prophet is a cheerleader, he is not the captain of the team.

I stand by my statement. I think the False Prophet is the Satan-possessed son of perdition through whom Satan works for 1040 days, the shortened Great Tribulation (Dan. 8:13,14 [2300 - 1260 = 1040]). I'd call him the captain of the team, except Satan is the real captain. In Rev. 13:3-10, the Beast does no miracles. The False Prophet does "miracles" (lit., signs). Not only does he "maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth," he has "power to give life (seemingly) unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should...speak." Satan, residing in the False Prophet, does these things.

> > The beast/antichrist is NEVER usurped by the false prophet.

What scripture says that? It is the False Prophet that "stands up against the Prince of princes" (Christ) (Dan. 8:25). Because the False Prophet is Satan possessed, he is "the king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences" (Dan. 8:23). Rev. 13:11 agrees, The False Prophet "spake as a dragon" (Satan). He also "had two horns" (2 comings in man, Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet). The Beast has no horns. In Dan. 8:9-11, it is the "little horn" (the False Prophet) that "magnifies himself even to the prince of the host (Christ), and by him (the False Prophet) the daily sacrifice was taken away."

> > Not only does Daniel 8 associate its character with 2300 days, but Daniel 9.27 associates him with the seven year covenant. You say the false prophet rules only 31/2 years. Another contradiction.

The Beast rules over the OWG/UN and UR the first 1260 days, or "forty and two months" (Rev. 13:5). That does not shut out the False Prophet from ruling in another capacity during that time. Then the False Prophet takes the reins of the OWG/UN and UR and is supposed to rule another 1260 days, the Great Tribulation. This is the 1260 days of Rev. 12:6 and the "time, and times, and half a time" (3.5 years) of Rev. 12:14 and Dan. 7:25; 12:7. This 3.5 years starts when the idol is put at the temple Mid-Trib and ends the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ (Dan. 7:26). The Great Tribulation is abruptly shortened to 1040 days when Gog's army attacks Israel. The 6th seal is broken the last day of this age, and the 7th seal is broken the next day, the 2300th day of the Tribulation and the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

> > > You said: "We know that there are 1260 days in the first half of the Tribulation, and that The Beast rules during this 1260 days (Rev. 13:5)"
> > I must completely disagree with this. Revelation 13.3 shows that the world wondered after the beast/antichristís deadly wound was healed. This is the first beast whose deadly wound was healed in 13.12. 13.12 is the same verse that tells us the false prophet causes the earth to worship the first beast/antichrist whose deadly wound was healed.

> > 3.4 tells that the world worships the dragon, Lucifer, who gave power to the beast/antichrist. The world also worships the beast/antichrist. This "worship" is not mentioned until AFTER the beast/antichrist has suffered his deadly wound and has been healed. It is this "healing" miracle that has deceived the world into believing that the beast/antichrist is too powerful to war against.

I don't know if this Pope will be The Beast, or if it is the next one, but if it is this one, this man has already suffered a deadly wound and lived. People will say of the Tribulation Pope, "who is able to make war with him?" because he is a man of the cloth. In Rev. 6, he rides forth at the beginning of the Tribulation on a white horse as a prince of peace. From that breaking of the 1st seal, The Beast continues 42 months (1260 days or 3.5 years). When the 4th seal is broken Mid-Trib, the False Prophet rides forth on a pale horse. His name is called "DEATH, and HELL (Satan) followed with him."

Isa. 28:14-19 says, "this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, WE HAVE MADE A COVENANT WITH DEATH (the False Prophet), and with HELL (Satan) are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge (when the asteroid impacts the Mediterranean, Zeph. 2:4,5) shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hid ourselves.... this people which is in Jerusalem. Because ye have said, We have made a COVENANT WITH DEATH, and with HELL are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made LIES our refuge, and under FALSEHOOD have we hid ourselves."

The man who "LIES" is the False Prophet and the final Antichrist. I John 2:22 says, "Who is A LIAR but HE THAT DENIETH THAT JESUS IS THE CHRIST? HE IS ANTICHRIST, THAT DENIETH THE FATHER AND THE SON."

Isa. 9:15 says, "the PROPHET THAT TEACHETH LIES (the 7th head of the great red dragon, Rev. 17:10), he is the tail," i.e., Satan-possessed.

> > 13.5...power was given unto him TO CONTINUE forty and two months."

He "IS" already head of the Ecclesiastical Holy Roman Empire when the Rapture takes place (Rev. 17:10,14). As the Tribulation starts, he confirms the covenant, is given more power and can CONTINUE forty and two months" to Mid-Trib.

> > TO CONTINUE means to carry on with something that has already been going on. You cannot jump back in time to the beginning of the tribulation for these forty and two months. The beast/antichrist, who is the subject of verse three and four is still the subject in verse five, is to continue ANOTHER forty two months AFTER his deadly wound is healed.

Rev. 13 begins with a view of the great red dragon as the Tribulation starts. In the 1st verse, we see that this dragon rises out of the sea (nations, Rev. 17:15). He has 7 heads and 10 horns. Only the 10 horns are crowned. That is because at the beginning of the Tribulation, the 6th head comes to his full power, not the 7th. The 7th comes to his full power Mid-Trib. Rev. 12:3 describes the great red dragon in the middle of the Tribulation. At Mid-Trib, "seven crowns upon his heads." The 7th head is the False Prophet, who is crowned Mid-Trib.

> > To sum all this up, Marilyn, your view makes the false prophet the main character in prophecy and virtually eliminates all mention of the antichrist, whose role is forced to become just a mere bit player. This is totally inconsistent with the big picture of the Bible.

> > Since you have listed all the references you believe point to the false prophet, would it be too much to ask you to list all the references you believe apply to the antichrist?

I don't know that I can think of them all, but will list what comes to mind. I think the antichrist is the False Prophet. Verses that apply to The Beast, the 1st one of Rev. 13, follow:

Rev. 13:3-10. Right after the Rapture, he will open "his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in Heaven." Evidently, he will be left behind. From the Rapture (maybe Sivan 6, 5761; May 28, 2001), he will "continue" 42 months.

Zech. 5:4. He is "him that sweareth falsely by my name."

Dan. 9:27. He and the one who will be the False Prophet Mid-Trib confirm the covenant with many, probably the OWG/UN, for 7 years.

Rev. 17:11. The 6th head is the one who "is." At the time of the Rapture, the Beast is in power, and the 7th head, the False Prophet has "not yet come" to his full power.

Jer. 6:13,14. He is the "priest" that dealeth falsely.

Rev. 6:2-6. He is a man of the cloth, a religious leader, that will ride forth as a prince of peace as the Tribulation starts. He will rule 3.5 years, the time it takes for the first 3 seals to be broken in turn. He will also ride the red and black horses that bring war and famine to the world.

Isa. 9:15. He is the ancient and honorable.

Dan. 7:23. The Beast is head of the Ecclesiastic Holy Roman Empire, "diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces" (probably the 10 regions it has now been divided into).

> > I hope you Ed are over the hump with your colds.

I hope so too. I am on my third round of antibiotics, a different one each time. The doctor doesn't like what she hears in my lungs. That, coupled with my ever worsening cough, R ear that stops up, and thinking of the Bronchitis I had earlier, she decided to give me the 3rd antibiotic and an X-ray (I haven't gotten the results yet). I am so glad. The previous antibiotic made no more difference than a drink of water. This one makes me feel that I am finally going to throw this off. I noticed a definite difference with the first dose. Now my coughing is productive and not nearly as often. My ear is not stopping up as often. Ed coughs and sneezes every once in awhile, but he has never had pneumonia. It seems like an ordinary cold. I have had pneumonia several times in the last 10 years, even after getting a pneumonia shot. One time I had it in December and it came back in March. The Dr. knows all this. She gave me both a flu shot and another pneumonia shot last fall since it had been 7 years since I had the first one. She doesn't want this to linger any longer. One advantage of joining an HMO, they do their best to keep you out of the hospital. It is less costly in the long run....

Hope you are doing well too. I keep you in my prayers. Agape

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