Note: Since Dan. 9:26 shows that the Messiah had to come before Jerusalem and the Temple were destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, If Y'shua/Jesus was not the Messiah, there won't be one. Since the temple genealogical records were burned, no one besides Jesus could prove he was descended from David. The genealogy of Jesus is in Scripture. No one else can qualify.
...you can download about 15 different Bible versions there, Strongs, other lexicons, dictionaries and more. The program is free (no nag screens or time limits) and easy to use and you can modify and add so much to it (everything works under one program).
Here's (some of the) download list (1st you download the main program in which these all work together, then you add different ...versions, Strongs etc
Bibles (28 files)
AV - 1769 King James Authorised Version
APC - The 1769 Apocrypha by Oxford Press
ASV - 1901 American Standard Version
BBE - Bible in Basic English printed in 1965 by Cambridge press in England.
DBY - literal translation of the Old Testament (1890) and the New Testament (1884) by John Nelson Darby.
DOUAY - 1899 Douay Rheims American Version
DOUAYAPC - Douay APC, The 1899 Douey Rheims Apocrypha
IGNT - Interlinear Greek NT Keyed to Strongs 1894 Scrivener Textus Receptus
JPS - 1917 Jewish Publication Society Old Testament.
LXXE - an English translation of The Septuagint by Sir Lancelot Charles Lee Brenton, originally published in 1851.
RWEBSTR - Revised 1833 Webster Version
ROTHRHAM - The Emphasized Bible by J.B. Rotherham, originally published by Samuel Bagster and Sons in 1902.
WEY - Weymouth New Testament
YLT - Young's Literal Translation of the Holy Bible by J.N. Young 1862, 1898.
Locked Bible Versions (6 files)
NAS 1977 and 1995 New American Standard Version
NIV US 1984 New International Version (US)
NLT 1996 New Living Translation
NRSV 1989 New Revised Standard Version
When Saturn is close to the Sun, the Moon could hide it. The Sun and Moon travel along the ecliptic as the planets do. The Moon is closer to us, therefore it seems much larger than planets. It would hide any heavenly body it passed in front of. However, if it is a star or planet being hid from our view, this is called occultation. A conjunction is when heavenly bodies line up, or when two appear close to each other.
May 29 is a date that makes me wonder. It will be Sivan 7, second day of Pentecost, this year. I figured that Sivan 7 in 30 AD was May 29. Our son David's birthday is Apr. 6, date on our calendar of both the Crucifixion and Second Advent if I figured right, and our daughter's birthday is May 29. hmmmm
II Thess. 2:7,8 (Webster) says, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he (the Holy Spirit in believers) who now restraineth [will] restrain, until he be taken out of the way (at the Pre-Trib Rapture). And then (tote, at that time) shall that Wicked (False Prophet) be revealed (when he confirms the covenant, Dan. 9:27), whom the Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth, and will destroy with the brightness of his coming."
The confirming of the covenant is the beginning of the 7-year Tribulation. The 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 only fit, by Jewish inclusive reckoning, from Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001), to Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007), within the 40 years since the Sign of the End of the Age (Six-Day War) in 1967. Therefore, it seems that only Sivan 6 fits for the Rapture and beginning of the Tribulation.
> > I suppose you are aware that Saturn and the Sun will have a partial eclipse on May 29
If the Pre-Trib Rapture is on May 28, and if Saturn is Heaven, having it's light blocked the next day might demonstrate that the foolish virgins will not have access to Heaven at that time. That could be a clue that would indicate May 28 for the Rapture.
I Thess. 5:1-3 says, "But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the DAY OF THE LORD so COMETH as a thief in the night. For WHEN THEY SHALL SAY, PEACE AND SAFETY; THEN (tote, at that time) SUDDEN DESTRUCTION COMETH upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
I think the millennial Day of the Lord will begin on the 2300th day of the Tribulation, the Feast of Trumpets, Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). The Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993. If the 7-year covenant is confirmed on Sivan 6 (May 28, 2001), they would still be saying "Peace and safety" when destruction comes on Sept. 13, 2007, 14 years from when the Oslo Accords were signed, but 220 days short of 7 years from May 28, 2001. Agape
According to STARNAVIGATOR, all the planets are now pretty much lined up on the same side of the heavens, with the sun, and can all be seen, along with the sun during the 12-hour stretch of daylight, at least in Texas.
I appreciate your diligence and the information you keep sharing with us. I have been in a quandry the past six months whether to share the Rapture information with my church and Pastor. So far as I know, they are all totally in the dark. I have decided to share this with my pastor this week, but I would appreciate your opinion....
I went back and looked at the Saturn/Sun positions and the conjunction--if that is what you call it--is May 24-26. In Him
> > I have decided to share this with my pastor
We have to understand why many do not want to set a date. If he was wrong, that would not help his credibility any. Many are afraid to risk it. I understand that.
What would you like to accomplish? for people to get ready? I know one church that had a successful what if day. What if we knew that Christ would come very soon for his Bride, what should we be doing to get ready? I John 1:9, II Peter 1:4-11, and Mt. 25:1f come to mind. That way, they got the message across that people should confess their sins and get ready, just in case. If world events suggest that his return could be soon, there is more incentive for the individual to shape up, just in case.
> > Saturn/Sun positions and the conjunction--if that is what you call it--is May 24-26
That is right before Pentecost, a good time for us to be thinking about Heaven. Thanks for telling me. Agape
Check to be sure, but this year, I think Saturn was lost in the solar glare in March and reappeared in May. Roughly speaking, I think it is a morning star 5 months, an evening star 5 months, and lost in the solar glare 2 months as it orbits around the other side of the Sun.
I bought a pack of about 5 old National Geographic Magazines at a thrift store for 75 cents. One just happened to be July 1981, the one that had an article on Saturn. I had read it before, but this one thing failed to get my attention. It should have jumped out at me. Speaking of Voyager I, it says, "Deep in the outer solar system, it is rapidly approaching Saturn. In this super-cold, alien domain, WHERE PERPETUAL RING GLOW HAS BANISHED NIGHT, Voyager is photographing a pale yellow giant."
Rev. 22:3-5 says, "the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be NO NIGHT THERE; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever."
However, we have a picture of Saturn when Voyager had passed it. Part of the planet is blacked out. Part of the rings are blacked out by Saturn's shadow too. How can "WHERE PERPETUAL RING GLOW HAS BANISHED NIGHT" be true? I have a chart that says Saturn's day is 10.2 hours and Earth's 23.93. Is there something that I don't see? or did they change their tune after Voyager passed Saturn?
Sometimes things are not quite as they seem. Page 98 in David Levy's "Skywatching" says, "A rainbow is actually not a bow but forms a complete circle, centered about the point opposite the Sun." I thought they were circles out in space until Ed and I drove into the end of the right inner color bow of a huge double rainbow. It seemed to be coming almost straight down when it hit the ground. That could not have been out in space. So, maybe they would be circles if they didn't hit the ground. There can't be ice crystals below ground level to break the light into colors. Maybe there are a few exceptions to general rules. Agape
Dear Donna (and other Firstfruits/Bride rapture believers), With regard to your message recently that you believe there will be more than 144,000 in the Bride/Firstfruits rapture, please consider the following.
a) I see you have been given to see the sciptural basis for the Firstfruits and Harvest raptures. It is an encouragement to see Christians on The Five Doves, M. Agee's site, and elsewhere who share in this. We are fortunate to have been given to see the Lord's view of the church with Philadelphian (those spared from the tribulation) and Laodicean (lukewarm, spit out of His mouth, into the tribulation) components. This understanding in truth reveals that our merciful Lord will enable a vast number of Christians ("which no man could number") (Rev 7:9) to be part of the Harvest rapture (Rev 14:15) before the wrath of God is poured out in the 7 bowls of wrath (Rev chapters 15-16).
b) Now as to who is taken in the Pretribulation Bride/ Firstfruits company, that is another subject, which those holding to the Firstfruits/Bride rapture truth should carefully and prayfully consider...
Simply *knowing about this* is not sufficient to part of the Firstfruits company, as I think some may wrongly and pridefully believe. Yes, it is great to recognize a need to be a "wise virgin", to live for God faithfully, to be pure (for the pure in heart shall see God), and to truly abide in Christ ("if you love me, you will keep my commands").
Yet, a contrast is clearly evident in the description of the TWO DIFFERENT 144,000 GROUPS of Revelation Chapter 7 and Chapter 14. The attributes of the Revelation 14 group are DISTINCT: no guile, without fault, redeemed among men as Firstfruits to God and the Lamb, virgins, etc. (THE WISE). Those of Chapter 14 are the true Bride of Christ taken up before the tribulation. The Chapter 7 groups are sealed believing Jews.
So, this number that God has appointed would mean that, if say there are 1 BILLION or more Christians worldwide (this sometimes given estimate would include all believers: all denominations & non-, nominal, born again and Spirit filled, etc), less than 1 out of 10,000 would be in the 144,000 Firstfruits company!
I count myself falling far short of the attributes described in Revelation 14, but this in no way dissuades me from pressing on (albeit little by little at times) to endeavor to be found worthy and pure in Him, for HE IS WORTHY. Should one not endeavor to give Him all regardless of their lot in the Kingdom? Firstfruits, Harvests or in the earthbound kingdom to come.
For a further and EYE OPENING study on this, read our "Coming Thief in the Night" article on our site.
c) Your post also seems to indicate that you hold a prevalent but faulty belief that Revelation Ch 4 -5 describes a scenario in heaven where the Rapture has taken place. Some try to support this by John being told to "come up hither" (Rev 4:1) and the idea that the "Church Age" has ended after Jesus' letters to the churches in Rev 2-3. Some apparently see the angelic group of v11 as being the raptured believers.
The number of elders is mentioned as 24, and those of v11 are described as angels.
As for many descriptions (such as the 24 elders), there can be multiple applications, but there is a primary application. And that would mean there are 24 elders and multitudes of angels (as described elsewhere in scripture) in heaven.
The timezone thought is a bit weak, though interesting.
d) A related FALSE CONCEPT MANY HOLD is that the Seals and Trumpets have not been opened or started to sound yet, and that they begin during the Tribulation.
We present that the seals were opened in World War II, and the trumpets have begun to sound and are sounding now!! An article on our web site (http://www.rapture.ws) about the Four Riders article originally published in the 1940's by Mikkel Dahl reveals the breaking of the seals and the identity of the White, Red, Black and Pale Riders as seen in the Roman, Russian/Soviet, German and Japanese powers and World War II.
We also have available in print form a deatiled study on the Book of Revealation called "The Lord's Day", including further details on the seals being opened and trumpets have started to sound.
Presently, we await the initial sounding blast of the 7th trumpet of Rev 11:15 when the bride/Firstfruits shall be called home. The final blowing of this will be at the end of the tribulation when the "last trump" is sounded and the Harvest group and dead in Christ rise to meet the Lord in the air.
We LOOK CONFIDENTLY for the Lord to snatch the Bride on Nisan 10 (the day the Jew's entered the Promised Land -- symoblizing heaven), WHICH IS exactly 1260 days prior to Trumpets 3.5 years later.
As we have written, Pentecost this year (May 28) may well see the start of the "2300 day" propehcy of Daniel 8 with the tide turning against Israel (the host). This is 1040 days before Nisan 10 in 2004.
Blessings...May we all be granted to seek and live for the the Lord with all He has given us,
David Jones understands that there are 2 Raptures, but I don't see how these 2 references to the 144,000 can represent the 2 Raptures. To me, both passages refer to the same group.
PRE-TRIB RAPTURE. Those saints caught up with the 24 elders (12 apostles, including John, plus 12 patriarchs of Israel) are seen in Heaven before the Tribulation starts in Rev. 6. They are caught up with John in Rev. 4:1. Immediately, we see all 24 seated on thrones (4:4). The saints that are caught up with the 24 elders sing "A NEW SONG, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood OUT OF EVERY kindred, and tongue, and people, and NATION" (5:9). These saints are already in Heaven when Jesus Christ is given the seven-sealed Title Deed of the Earth. The 1st seal is opened in Rev. 6 as the Tribulation begins.
The 1st Rapture is for the wise Philadelphian virgins. They represent the Bride of Christ. The foolish Laodicean virgins have to wait for the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the 2300th day (Dan. 8:13,14) of the shortened Tribulation.
PRE-WRATH RAPTURE. After the 6th seal is opened in 6:12, and before the 7th is opened in 8:1, "the great day of his wrath is come" (6:17). Thus it is after 6 PM on the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord. This is the Day of God's Wrath. The Tribulation saints need to be caught up to Heaven before the asteroids of 8:8,10 impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). The 144,000 Israelites are sealed and caught up to Heaven along with "a great multitude, which no man could number, OF ALL NATIONS, INCLUDING ISRAEL. Rev. 7:14,15 tells us that these "came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God."
After they are in Heaven, the 7th seal is broken, out of which come the 7 trumpet judgments (8:2f). The 144,000 are safe in Heaven. Chapter 14 tells us a bit more about the 144,000. This is an important passage, because only the 144,000 Israelites are added to the Bride of Christ. The 144,000 sing "as it were a NEW SONG" (14:3). This shows that the are grouped with the Bride that sang the new song in 5:9.
James 1:18 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." This suggests the Pre-Trib Rapture will be on Pentecost (Lev. 23:17 says, "Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals; they shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven; they are the FIRSTFRUITS unto the LORD."
Rev. 14:3-5 says of the 144,000, "they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and NO MAN COULD LEARN THAT SONG BUT THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND, WHICH WERE REDEEMED (in the past) FROM THE EARTH. These are they which were not defiled with women; for THEY ARE VIRGINS. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These WERE REDEEMED (in the past) from among men, being the FIRSTFRUITS (like the Bride) unto God and to the Lamb. And in their mouth was found no guile: for THEY ARE WITHOUT FAULT BEFORE THE THRONE OF GOD." We don't want to be like Peter was at first.
This shows us that the Bride group caught up 1st should also be without fault. We should confess all sins committed after we accept Christ to let Christ wash our feet so we will be clean every whit. John 13:10 says, "Jesus saith to him (Peter), He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean." Before he would let Jesus wash his feet, "Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me" (John 13:8-10).
> > ...you hold a prevalent but faulty belief that Revelation Ch 4 -5 describes a scenario in heaven where the Rapture has taken place. Some try to support this by John being told to "come up hither" (Rev 4:1) and the idea that the "Church Age" has ended after Jesus' letters to the churches in Rev 2-3. Some apparently see the angelic group of v11 as being the raptured believers.
> > The number of elders is mentioned as 24, and those of v11 are described as angels.
Evidently, Jones doesn't realize that John is one of the 24 elders and that all 24 are in Heaven seated on thrones immediately after John is caught up to Heaven. Therefore, the other 23 are caught up when John is caught up. Also, Jones neatly skips over the mention of the saints that are in Heaven and mentions the number of angels. In Heaven before the 1st seal is opened in Rev. 6, we see "saints...out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation" singing a new song (5:8,9). That cannot be just the 24 elders. They are only out of one nation, Israel. These saints are out of every nation in the world. They have been made kings and priests unto God (5:10;1:6).
> > A related FALSE CONCEPT MANY HOLD is that the Seals and Trumpets have not been opened or started to sound yet, and that they begin during the Tribulation. We present that the seals were opened in World War II, and the trumpets have begun to sound and are sounding now!!
I disagree with Jones on this. Christ has not been given the seven sealed Title Deed of the Earth yet. We will be there to see Him take it. Only after that can any seal be opened. The trumpets and vials are the wrath of God. They will only fall on unbelievers after the Tribulation saints are caught up to God. "For God hath NOT APPOINTED US TO WRATH, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Thess. 5:9). Rev. 6:17 says, "For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand? Only after this are the trumpets sounded in Rev. 8f.
There are 7 seals on the book Christ is given AFTER the first Rapture. Out of the 7th seal comes the 7 trumpets. Out of the 7th trumpet comes the 7 vials that fill up the wrath of God.
> > Presently, we await the initial sounding blast of the 7th trumpet of Rev 11:15 when the bride/Firstfruits shall be called home. The final blowing of this will be at the end of the tribulation when the "last trump" is sounded and the Harvest group and dead in Christ rise to meet the Lord in the air.
Jones seems kinda mixed up here. :-) He has the 7th trumpet blowing at the first Rapture and again at the last Rapture. He may not have said exactly what he meant to, and it came out wrong. Surely he doesn't think the 7th trumpet blows from the 1st to the 2nd Rapture. That is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14). The 1st Rapture seems to be on day #1, the last Rapture on day #2300. Also, if the 2nd and 3rd trumpets had already sounded, Earth would have been hit by the 2 asteroid pieces of Rev. 8:8,10.
> > We LOOK CONFIDENTLY for the Lord to snatch the Bride on Nisan 10 (the day the Jew's entered the Promised Land -- symoblizing heaven), WHICH IS exactly 1260 days prior to Trumpets 3.5 years later.
> > As we have written, Pentecost this year (May 28) may well see the start of the "2300 day" propehcy of Daniel 8 with the tide turning against Israel (the host). This is 1040 days before Nisan 10 in 2004. Nisan 10 has already passed. If the Rapture is on Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001), the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning, will end on Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007). I think that is the Feast of Trumpets that starts the 1000-year Day of the Lord. I think all 7 trumpets will sound that day. Agape
I confessed my sins quite a ways back. Jesus said to occupy until he comes. Right now, I'm just trying to answer my e-mail and keep the dishes washed. The dishwasher spit fire at me, so I don't dare turn it on. I'm hoping I won't need it long anyway, but as I said before, I'm in this for the long haul. I'll hang in there as long as it takes.
> > I have been visiting your site and the subject there is still the same. Are there any new Revelations and when are the Jews going to start building the Temple.
About the temple. They could start sacrificing with just the altar as in the days of Ezra. I used to think that Rev. 11:1,2 meant that the temple would be built by the beginning of the Tribulation, but maybe not. There seems to be another possibility.
Rev. 11:1-3 says, "there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, RISE, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power unto my TWO WITNESSES, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth."
Moses and Elijah will probably come with Christ at the Rapture. We will be taken to Heaven, but they will prophesy on Earth for 1260 days.
This 1260 days is the first half of the Tribulation. Therefore, "RISE" seems to be at the beginning of the 1260 days. Where else do we read something similar? Song of Sol. 2:10 says, "My beloved spake, and said unto me, RISE UP, my love, my fair one, and COME AWAY." Rev. 4:1 says, "COME UP HITHER." Do you suppose Rev. 11:1 is talking about the Rapture? We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. Food for thought. Agape
2nd. Don't worry about your physical body, because Jesus is coming very soon. Do you understand?
My prayers are with you for every blessing for your great work which benefits all of us. See you soon just inside the Eastern Gate. Agape
The emerald is a clue with several facets. Thanks for reminding me that it stands for May. It is Judah's stone in the breastplate, and Christ is the Lion of the tribe of Judah. The rainbow seen around the throne right after the Rapture is emerald, maybe suggesting a May Rapture. Agape
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