Pro and Con 747

Posted 5-11-01

PA ready for cease-fire

5-11-01 - The Palestinians are ready for an immediate cease-fire based on the principles laid down in the Mitchell Committee's report and the Jordanian-Egyptian peace initiative, Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat and other senior Palestinian officials told two visiting Israeli delegations yesterday.

They added that they were willing to return to negotiations on a final-status agreement at any level....
Ten Arab states call for end to Israeli aggressions against palestinians. Palestine - 5/9/2001

Ten Arabic countries around the Mediterranean urged the international community and especially European countries to take urgent action to put an end to Israeli aggression against the Palestinians. The countries are: Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, and Mauritania, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. This came at the end of a meeting Tuesday on the setting up of a free trade zone between Arab-Mediterranean countries.

My new find

I was going through the tutorial to learn how to use the new Bible program I DL, but using my own verse preferences, and stumbled onto something unexpected.

II Thess. 2:7 (KJV) says, "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way." ROTHERHAM's translation says, "For, the secret, of lawlessness, already, is inwardly working itself,—only, until, he that restraineth at present, shall be GONE, out of the MIDST."

Midst is "mesos," Strong's 3319. It means MIDNIGHT, middle, in the midst of. It sounds like the Holy Spirit indwelling us will be GONE AT MIDNIGHT. If so, the Rapture may really happen at midnight. This agrees with the parable of the 10 virgins. Mesos is translated "midnight" in Mt. 25:6: "And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

In the Preview of the Rapture, Rev. 1:13 (KJV) says, "And in the midst (mesos, middle, midnight) of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."

Rev. 2:7 (KJV) says, "He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst (mesos, middle, midnight) of the paradise of God." These may be clues.

Ruth 3:8 (KJV) says, "it came to pass at MIDNIGHT, that the man (Boaz) was afraid, and turned himself: and, behold, a woman (Ruth) lay at his feet.

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From: Richard Whatley. To: Larry B; John Tng, Cc: Marilyn
Re: Rev 2&3 Letters to the Churches
...There is a HEATED discussion going on regarding "Rapture Worthiness". I have looked at what deeply troubles me about the concept of a "Split Rapture". Too much is inconsistent and vague, when one attempts to try and seperate a congregation into "better and more worthy believers" and "foolish believers".

Let's start with the section in Revelation 2&3 on the "Churches of Asia Minor". There are seven of them. These seven churches have a message contemporary to John's time, a chronological message for the last "two thousand" years, and a composite picture applicable to all ages including right now.

Consider the Church of Ephesus. "I know thy works" (Rev 2:2). This refers to works of Believers, The LORD Jesus NEVER asks the unsaved gentile world for good works. In Rev 2:3, the Church of Ephesus is commended for good works.

Consider the Church of Laodicea. "I know thy works" (Rev 3:15). This does NOT refer to works of Believers. LORD Jesus has no word of commendation for this Church. All is condemnation here. The "works" are not good works, they are evil works.

The CHURCH is the Body of Christ. HE loved the CHURCH and gave Himself for it. The CHURCH is the Body of Believers which the FATHER has given HIM, and for whom HE prayed for in John 17. The "churches" of Revelation 2 and 3 are NOT made up only of the CHURCH of the Body of Christ. There are "others" in the churches, as we have seen in the "church of Laodicea" These others are what makes up the apostate church, that is seen in the Great Tribulation. The church of Laodicea ARE NOT believers that need to confess sins with 1John 1:9 in order to be worthy. They have not accepted the free gift of Salvation yet. They don't even have a robe of righteousness to wash yet. Before someone starts a controversy by quoting Rev 7:14, these who have washed their robes during the Great Tribulation, have done so just as all the Believers in the Body of Christ do now, through fellowship with the LORD, which means at the very least, confession of sin and repentance. Rev 7:14 does not have a corresponding reference that explains that these who have washed their robes, had a robe of righteousness before the Rapture. Once again, Conthis is an extension of the incorrect conclusion (that I discussed above), to say that all the members of the seven churches are Believers in the Body of Christ, which they are not. Consider what John says in Rev 7:13,14 about the group seen in Rev 7:9. One of the elders goes over to John and asks who the group is. Read the passage carefully, John does not know, and he says it in an "idiomatic" way. I used to use this type of response when I was in a sales career. When I did not know the answer, I used to say to the other person "you know". This is a way to respond without looking ignorant, yet confessing that one does not know the answer. John says he does not know who this group is. Therefore this group can NOT have any members of HIS Church, the Body of Believers. John would have recognized someone from the Body of Believers in John's time on earth. This group does NOT include any member of the Body of Christ that went through the Great Tribulation and "washed" their robe.

All Believers in the Church of the Body of Christ will bear some Fruit of the Spirit of Galatians 5. It's not a contest among believers. A Believer will have to walk in Faith, stay in Fellowship with the LORD, and Repent. When a Believer in the Body of Christ does not strive for the above, there is a loss of reward, the wood, hay and stubble that is burned up. Salvation is not lost. This is the "better Ressurection" that Paul talked about. The Believer does not go through the Tribulation to wash their robe. They suffer loss, and they are taken in the Rapture in this state. A Believer is never asked to live the Christian life, anywhere in the Bible. A Believer can NOT live the Christian life, the HOLY SPIRIT lives the Christian life through the Believer. All Believers in the Church of the Body of Christ love the Lord. Believers that love the Lord will strive to keep the commandments of 1Thessalonians 5. I have written on this before, and I can not urge my Brothers and Sisters enough to pay attention to this passage.

I was greatly troubled by this concept of "using 1John 1:9" like some "bar of soap" to clean myself up. Don't misunderstand me, Believers are to confess their sins, agree with the Word as a standard, and stay in fellowship with the LORD. But this concept of getting the "last sin confessed", just in time to go in the Rapture is unworkable and unachievable. If this were the application, no Believer could ever be sure of worthiness. This is a common method that the wicked one uses to attack Believers. Getting them to think they can lose their Salvation, or they are not good enough to be Raptured.

There are only three groups of people in this Age (Dispensation) of Grace. Jewish, Gentile, and the Church. The LORD guarantees directly that NO ONE will snatch any member of His Body of Believers from His Hand. No member of the Body of Believers In Christ will go through the Great Tribulation. Let's go back to Revelation. The Church is never seen on the earth after Chapter 4, the Church is seen in Rev 5:9 in Heaven. There is no mention of the Church remnant of "dirty robed believers" cleaning themselves up. The redeemed Gentiles seen in Rev 7:9 include individuals who sat in a state of false or misguided acceptance of Christ before the Rapture. They had no Fruit of the Spirit, and I know lots of others that claim to confess Christ, and have no Fruit of the Spirit. Let me give you a brief outline here. One is a Pastor who talks to the dead and has sold drugs. One is a homosexual that flatly refuses with stern warning to never talk about anything from the Bible or about God. One curses the LORD with every second or third sentence they speak, threw the Bible to the ground when I passed it to them, and screamed at me in a stern voice to never "preach" to them about taking the LORD's name in vain. Another denies scripture to me before I have even opened my mouth to speak, and is a Rosicrucian that uses quartz crystal powers and takes covenants with witches. One is a mormon who when I offered to share my faith in Jesus Christ with them said "What for?". I could go on, but EACH one of these people would absolutely and positively claim that they are "in Christ", they are in no wrong doctrine, and they are absolutely and positively going to Heaven, some as very "important" to the LORD, because they are going to "take care of some things for the LORD!"

So someone is going to say, what about Luke 12:46, that is a member of the Body of Believers that had a dirty robe and went into the Tribulation. Read carefully, it does not say what the state of this person was. It says they will have their "portion" with the unbelievers. It does not call them an unbeliever, I'll get to that in a moment. Go back to the Church of Laodicea. Their works were no good, because they were not produced by the indwelling Holy Spirit. Just like the people I talked about above, these members of the Church of Laodicea went through an imititation of being "in Christ". I truly understand that all of the people I mentioned above actually believe they are "in Christ". Our Father, the only True and Living God, Jesus Christ the Alpha and the Omega, and the Holy Spirit are merciful and long suffering. We are forbidden to judge anyone in Salvation, either saved or unsaved, only God knows the heart. God is fair, and this person of Luke 12:46 is not necessarily an unbeliever. I suggest that they have not accepted the gift of Salvation, or they are misguided. As I outlined above, I know others that claim to be "in Christ" but have no Fruit of the Spirit. All those "in Christ" will bear some fruit, and it will NOT be in their own ability. So, who is an unbeliever?

Consider 2Thessalonians 2:10-12. This is an unbeliever. Read carefully, they did not RECEIVE the truth. This is not necessarily the same as the people I discussed above, but it could be, and we are forbidden to judge this ourselves. They have accepted something they believe is true, although it is not. But they have not rejected, because for reasons unknown to me, they don't know any better. But this unbeliever of 2Thess is without hope. They go into the Great Tribulation and they are going to worship the beast and the false prophet. God is going to send them a delusion. They are going to think the millenium is at hand, and they have been chosen to bring it in with what they think is the Messiah. I know some who are like this. They absolutely and totally reject any Salvation. They consider humans as an evolutionary freak happening, and once they die, that's it, unless they adopt re-incarnation, not necessarily as another human.

If there is anyone who does not agree with any of what I have written here, I am not offended. Consider carefully how you wish to make your disagreement with me, should you so desire. Remember that judgement of Salvation is forbidden. Remember that God hates Pride more than any other sin. (Currently Charles Stanley has a FANTASTIC set of teaching on this right now). And read the Commandments of 1Thessalonians 5, the Brothers and Sisters of Christ are never to despise one another, but certainly can agree to disagree.

Please read my companion posting on how the Cross divides.

My reply

You are too good a Bible student to believe this for very long. You are evidently allowing some preacher to sway you momentarily, but I have confidence that you will come back to sound exegesis. Please reconsider.

> > The church of Laodicea ARE NOT believers that need to confess sins with 1John 1:9 in order to be worthy. They have not accepted the free gift of Salvation yet.

"The Revelation (apokalupsis) of Jesus Christ" is when he is revealed (apokalupsis) to us at the Rapture (Rev. 1:13-16). Rev. 1:4 mentions "the seven churches" (ekklesia, called out ones, believers). All seven are ekklesia. The 7th is "the church (ekklesia) of the Laodiceans," no less an ekklesia than the other 6. Jesus is only addressing believers in the 7 messages to the ekklesia.

PROOF. In the Preview of the Rapture in Rev. 1, Jesus is seen in Heaven with all "seven candlesticks" around him. All "the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches (ekklesia)" (1:20). All are believers with the chance to be caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture. However, if some do not repent, it is possible for their candlestick to be removed from its place in Heaven. In Rev. 2:1,4,5, Jesus says, "Unto the angel of the church (ekklesia) of Ephesus write; These things saith he (Christ) that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks...I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love (one of the attributes of God is love; to have less love suggests sin, because that one will have less of the Holy Spirit). Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and REPENT, AND DO THE FIRST WORKS; OR ELSE I WILL COME UNTO THEE QUICKLY, AND WILL REMOVE THY CANDLESTICK OUT OF HIS (Christ's) PLACE (topos, spot, home, i.e., Heaven), EXCEPT THOU REPENT." This is a strong statement. It means REPENT OR ELSE. Whew! Believers getting into Heaven at the 1st Rapture is riding on repenting, and "EXCEPT THOU REPENT" is straight from the Lord's mouth.

In Rev. 2:16, Jesus tells the ekklesia in Pergamos, "REPENT; OR ELSE I will come unto thee quickly (he comes quickly at the Rapture), and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth." This sword is to cut them off if not worthy. In Rev. 2:21,22, Jesus says to the ekklesia in Thyatira, " I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, EXCEPT THEY REPENT OF THEIR DEEDS." In Rev. 3:3, Jesus says to the ekklesia in Sardis, "Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and HOLD FAST, AND REPENT. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee." In Rev. 3:19, Jesus tells the Laodicean ekklesia, "AS MANY AS I LOVE, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: BE ZEALOUS THEREFORE, AND REPENT."

Forgiveness for trespasses, even among mankind, involves repenting. Luke 17:4 says, "if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him." Will God do less? I John 1:9 says, "IF WE CONFESS our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." What will happen if we don't confess our sins? I take it that if we confess our known sins to God, he will forgive all our sins and count us righteous. If we are righteous, we have white robes. We should repent, for the kingdom of God is nigh. The Bride wears "fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness (lit., righteousnesses, including Christ's imputed to us plus our righteous acts when filled with the Holy Spirit) of saints" (Rev. 19:8).

Acts 8:19-22 says, "Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for THY HEART IS NOT RIGHT IN THE SIGHT OF GOD. REPENT THEREFORE OF THIS THY WICKEDNESS, AND PRAY GOD, IF PERHAPS THE THOUGHT OF THINE HEART MAY BE FORGIVEN THEE."


> > Rev 7:14 does not have a corresponding reference that explains that these who have washed their robes, had a robe of righteousness before the Rapture.

One cannot wash a garment that he has not had in the first place. However, he can allow white robes he had to get "spotted by the flesh" (Jude 1:23).

> > Consider what John says in Rev 7:13,14 about the group seen in Rev 7:9. One of the elders goes over to John and asks who the group is. Read the passage carefully, John does not know

John has been in Heaven a long time. He has not had the chance to meet any of the Tribulation saints yet. After the Pre-Trib Rapture, he will have a chance to meet those that are caught up to Heaven, but not those still on Earth. Why would we expect John to know the Tribulation saints?

> > A Believer will have to walk in Faith, stay in Fellowship with the LORD, and Repent. When a Believer in the Body of Christ does not strive for the above, there is a loss of reward, the wood, hay and stubble that is burned up. Salvation is not lost.

Woops! we are not talking about Salvation. No one can lose their Salvation. Those not taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture will be taken in the Pre-Wrath Rapture.

Both groups will be judged for rewards at the Judgment Seat of Christ after Christ is crowned King on the first day of the Millennium. Rev. 11:17,18 says, "thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED and that thou shouldest give REWARD unto thy servants the prophets, and TO THE SAINTS, and them that fear thy name, SMALL AND GREAT; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

> > I was greatly troubled by this concept of "using 1John 1:9" like some "bar of soap" to clean myself up. Don't misunderstand me, Believers are to confess their sins, agree with the Word as a standard, and stay in fellowship with the LORD. But this concept of getting the "last sin confessed", just in time to go in the Rapture is unworkable and unachievable. If this were the application, no Believer could ever be sure of worthiness. This is a common method that the wicked one uses to attack Believers. Getting them to think they can lose their Salvation, or they are not good enough to be Raptured.

Woops! we are not talking about Salvation. Salvation and being caught up in the 1st Rapture are two different things. Who, as if I didn't know, made a concept of getting the "last sin confessed"? It is not in Scripture. It is in the head of some people. Jesus has not told us how much oil we need to go in the 1st group. Since we don't know, we should try to confess our known sins so God can forgive us of all the rest. There is not one Scripture that says that to go in the Rapture, we have to have every "last sin confessed." To put this criteria on being included in the Pre-Trib Rapture is not Biblical. It is like saying that everyone has to be baptized to be saved. That is not so, either. The thief on the cross was saved, and he was not baptized.

We need to back up everything with Scripture to avoid going astray or running too far with what we think we know. If we back up everything with Scripture, we cannot go far astray without running into scriptures that differ with our conceptions. They will correct us as we go.

> > No member of the Body of Believers In Christ will go through the Great Tribulation....this person of Luke 12:46 is not necessarily an unbeliever.

Luke 12:41-17 is talking about believers. It says, "Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? And the Lord said, Who then is that FAITHFUL AND WISE STEWARD (wise virgin believer), whom HIS LORD shall make ruler over his household, TO GIVE THEM THEIR PORTION OF MEAT IN DUE SEASON? BLESSED IS THAT SERVANT (believer) WHOM HIS LORD WHEN HE COMETH SHALL FIND SO DOING. Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. But and IF THAT SERVANT (believer) SAY IN HIS HEART, MY LORD DELAYETH HIS COMING; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; The LORD OF THAT SERVANT (believer) will come in a day when he (the unwise servant) looketh not for him, and at an hour when he (the unwise servant) is not aware, and will CUT HIM (the unwise servant) IN SUNDER (lit., cut him off), AND WILL APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION (of the Tribulation) WITH THE UNBELIEVERS. And THAT SERVANT (believer), WHICH KNEW HIS LORD'S WILL, AND PREPARE NOT HIMSELF, NEITHER DID ACCORDING TO HIS WILL, SHALL BE BEATEN WITH MANY STRIPES." Mt. 24:51 adds, "AND SHALL CUT HIM ASUNDER (dichotomeo, bisect, cut into 2 parts), AND APPOINT HIM HIS PORTION (of the Tribulation) WITH THE HYPOCRITES (actors, pretenders): THERE SHALL BE WEEPING AND GNASHING OF TEETH." Agape

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I just read this article about America in Prophesy, and I was wondering what you can see in your studies about what the bible has to say about America?

I also was wondering about numbers and their meanings, like what does 5 mean? I always thought it was related to grace or the church...but would like to know more about all the meanings of the numbers if you have info on that or know where I could find info on that?

My whole family reads your website and we are all hoping for the Rapture this Pentacost... Thank you again for all your work you put into this site. You have inspired many people to search the scriptures for themselves and it is amazing to me what I can see in scripture now that I couldn't before...God bless you - hope to meet you soon. Agape
---, America in prophecy, by Hal Lindsey

Last night I inaugurated my new radio talk show in Los Angeles. When we opened the phones for questions, the first three callers asked the same question: "Where is America in Bible prophecy?"

This is a difficult question, mostly because it has such a difficult answer. I love my country, and I'd love to find references to it in the last days. But it isn't there....

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

> > what the bible has to say about America?

II Sam. 7:23 says, "what ONE NATION (lit., UNITED NATION) in the earth is like thy people, even LIKE ISRAEL, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?"

The word "ONE" is "ECHAD," UNITED, as in De. 6:4. It says, "Hear, O Israel: The LORD (YHVH) our God (Elohim, plural) is ONE (echad, UNITED) LORD." Isa. 44:6 explains this. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In Rev. 1:17 and 22:13, Jesus said that he is the first AND the last. He is YHVH king of Israel AND YHVH the Redeemer, YHVH of hosts. I Cor. 5:19 explains in language we can't fail to understand: "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

I think II Sam. 7:23 is the United States, established as "ONE NATION , UNDER GOD." Our money still says, "In God we trust." Both Israel and the US were gradually given the land, because the previous inhabitants were not worshiping God. Here, they were worshiping nature, in Canaan, idols.

> > like what does 5 mean?

To me, it suggests division. Lu. 12:52 says, "from henceforth there shall be FIVE in one house DIVIDED, three against two, and two against three.

> > Israel. It says they will be carried into the wilderness on the "wings of a great eagle." Misinterpreting this verse makes it possible to have the United States supplying a military airlift of Israelis to safety -- on the "wings of an eagle." You can make this work only by ignoring the fact that Scripture interprets Scripture. And the Scripture already identifies who has the wings of an eagle. > > In Deuteronomy 32:11, God identifies the bearer of Israel on eagles' wings. "As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad on her wings, taketh them, and beareth them on her wings, So the Lord alone did lead him [Israel] and there was no strange god with him."

I don't rule out that US planes could help in the evacuation of Messianic Jews from Judah Mid-Trib. God saw fit to use eagles' wings as a symbol of how he brought them out of Egypt. He brought them out in haste. However, he did not literally pick them up and fly them out of Egypt. Since I Cor. 10:11 says that all these things happened to Israel for examples to us, upon whom the end of the ages are come, God may have used eagles' wings to tie their Exodus from Egypt with their Exodus Mid-Trib. God is in control and utilizes many things to do his will.

There is another case where the word "eagles" appears. Mt. 24:28 says, "wheresoever the carcase (ptoma, dead body) is (resurrected and in Heaven), there will the EAGLES(Tribulation saints) be gathered together." Isa. 26:19 says, "Thy dead men shall live, together with MY DEAD BODY (lit., bodies) shall they (the Tribulation saints) ARISE. AWAKE AND SING, YE THAT DWELL IN DUST: for thy dew is as the DEW OF HERBS, and the earth shall cast out the dead."

The dew of herbs is also mentioned in a passage about the Pre-Trib Rapture. Isa. 18:4 says, "the LORD said unto me, I will take my rest (suggesting a Sabbath or a Sabbatical Year, as 5761 and 5768), and I will consider (nabat, see, look at) in my dwelling place (Heaven) like a clear heat UPON HERBS, AND LIKE A CLOUD OF DEW in the heat of HARVEST" (the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Mark 13:27 says, "then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the EARTH (the Tribulation saints) to the uttermost part of HEAVEN" (the Bride group caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).

Prov. 23:5 says, "riches certainly make themselves wings; they fly away as an eagle toward heaven." Psa. 103:5 says, "Who satisfieth thy mouth with good things; so that thy youth is renewed like the eagle's."

> > she "sits as a queen and no widow." One could argue the U.S. sits as a queen

In Scripture, a woman often represents a religious group. I think the harlot church will be the world church, the United Religions.

> > Revelation 17:18. John says Mystery Babylon is really a woman -- that great harlot who will reign over the cities from earth. But John wrote that the great city was clearly Rome, and that is the city that will reign over the earth in the last days.

Rev. 17 clearly indicates Vatican City, but it is moved to Babylon by Rev. 18. Zech. 5:4-11 says, " I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it (the curse, i.e., the asteroid of Rev. 8:10) shall enter into the house of the thief (False Prophet), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof. Then the angel that talked with me went forth, and said unto me, Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., the world church) that goeth forth. He said moreover, This is their resemblance through ALL THE EARTH. And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (2 religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (Tower of Babel, Gen. 11:2f).

> > America is not a major player in the last days -- she hasn't even a bit part.

I'm not so sure as Hal Lindsey is. If the US is "to do for you (Israel) great things and terrible," that might still be in operation in the Tribulation. Agape

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Howdy. And that's no ordinary 'Howdy'. That's a good ole Minnie Pearl, rip-roaring, HeeHaw salute kind of Howdy.

My goodness there is so much news pouring into my email accounts all the time. So many things are going on. My mind and heart are just so excited about the return of the Lord.

If all the thinking and writing and calculating you have been so blessed to post on the WWW is based on God's timing, and if God has been using you to reveal His timetable, and if there is no missing or erroneous date-correlating between the Jewish and Gregorian calendars that God has not cleared up for you, I guess we'll be going up pretty soon.

My born-again friend in Florida [Ron Thaden] is slated to get married on 28 May 2001. Purely coincidence. And if the Rapture is on that day, I will be so amused to see the look on his face on the day of his wedding. Of course, if the Rapture is on 28 May 2001, he'll still be getting married, just to a different being - the Lamb of God.
Yippie. Your brother in Christ

My reply

I'm glad you are excited. I feel the same way. These are exciting times to live in. There are so many things to look forward to. Being with the Lord is at the top of the list, but besides that, we will see our family members that have gone on ahead of us. That will be great. I am sure looking forward to meeting you and other people I have corresponded with too.

Whether we have the date right or not, it can't be long. Jesus scolded the Pharisees because they could not see the signs of the times. We are alert and watching. I think that is the way he wants us to be. Agape

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