Pro and Con 75, Uploaded 3-17-98
Incoming Email, Re: "bara," create, and "asah," make, in Gen. 1, etc. The two words "bara" and "asah" are distinct by definition. The first, "bara," defines a coming into existence while 'asah' defines actions that extend beyond creation to a formation of things. By their usage I find them to be synonyms and used interchangeably--'asah' including the "bara" though "bara" does not always include "asah". The best example of this is in comparing 1:26-27 with 2:3-4. This has been my understanding to date; but I will review those Scriptures listed. This is why I mention John's account of creation. He suggects each time God spoke, God caused something to come into existence. Therefore, when I reread Bereshith/En Arche and read "Elohim said" I take "asah" to include an act of creating ["bara"].
My reply ----, may the Lord bless you in a big way. Your definitions of "bara" and "asah" are right on, you have an open mind, a willingness to learn, comparing Scripure with Scripture, and a compassionate heart, all things the Lord loves.
Some do not yet understand that "asah" "defines actions that extend beyond creation to a formation of things." Sometimes, it seems that they do not want to understand. They stubbornly close their minds to hints in God's truth and continue to see it their own way.
The Bible mainly covers about 7000 years. All we get of what happened between Gen. 1:1 and 1:2 is "the feeblest echo." We have to search carefully with an open mind to see the faintest hint. Some clues are found in the oldest book in the Bible.
Job 26:11-14, in the Jerusalem Bible, says, "The pillars of the heavens tremble, awe-struck at his (the Lord's) threats. By his power, he has whipped up the Sea (on Earth), by his skill, he has crushed Rahab (Satan's planet, now our Asteroid Belt). His breath has made the heavens luminous (when Rahab exploded), his hand transfixed the Fleeing Serpent (Satan).
This is only a fraction of what he has done and all we catch of it is the feeblest echo."
Earth was not created a ruin. Everything God creates is good. Earth was created perfect, marred by Divine judgment associated with the destruction of Satan's planet, then moulded as clay to make a perfect habitat for Adamic mankind." Isa. 45:18 (KJV) says, "For thus saith the LORD that created (bara) the heavens; God himself that formed (yatsar, to mould into a form, as a potter) the earth and made (asah) it; he hath established (kun, formed) it, he created (bara) it not in vain (tohu, ruin, as in Gen. 1:2), he formed (yatsar, moulded, punched down as clay into a form) it to be inhabited."
This punching down of the clay is why God said, "Let (not creat) the waters under the heaven be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so" (Gen. 1:9). The punching down in one area pushed up land in other areas.
Isa. 51:9-16 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon. Art thou not it which hath dried the sea, the waters of the great deep...that hath stretched (natah, spread out, i.e., separated the terrestrial planets from the giant planets) forth the heavens, and laid (suwm, to prepare, set up) the foundation of the earth...I am the LORD thy God, that divided (raga, tossed violently and suddenly) the sea, whose waves roared: The LORD of hosts is his name. And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant (nata, fix, place) the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth."
Jer. 4:23 has a double reference. It says, "I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light. I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled...For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it."
Psa. 89:9-14 (KJV) says, Thou rulest the raging of the sea: when the waves thereof arise, thou stillest them. Thou hast broken Rahab in pieces, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The heavens are thine, the earth also is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them....Justice and judgment are the habitation of thy throne."
Job 38:4-15 (KJV) says, "I laid the foundations of the earth...who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, And brake up for it (the sea) my decreed place." This is the Pacific Basin, which yet covers nearly one hemisphere of this globe, and before the continents split apart, covered much more territory than it does now.
Job 25:2 (Lamsa Bible) says, "he has made peace in his heavens." He is in the process of making peace on Earth also. The millennial Day of the Lord is not far away now. It is the "sabbatismos (Heb. 4:9)," the seventh 1000-year day.
Incoming Email This is the person from Pro and Con 58. Thank you so much for putting my address out there. i did get some response... about four so far. My e-mail was down for a month and I just got it back up and got the letters including yours. I am answering right away and i apologize for my fumbling around with my e-mail. I am still getting used to all this high-tech business and I just thought I wasn't getting any mail. That is, until my Internet bill didn't make it through and I got a final notice. Anyway, thank you for your graciousness. I did get both books and am reading them now.
I am a book person and have searched obsure and not-so-obscure book stores for decades, but it hasn't taken me long to discover that most controversial information is on the internet first and may or may not ever make it to print form. I'm hooked, and learning fast.
I will be doing this countdown with you, and with all the others who agree. My wife now agrees and is watching, too.
I may have told you in my first correspondence that I am a student of conspiracy and intrigue, along with being a born-again Christian, and I see many things waiting to happen and I really believe that the rapture late this spring will be the catalyst. I believe the Nephelim are here already, just as in Noah's time, and they have been at the things they do for decades. I want to see every child of God that can get out of here make it out. It is going to be horrible. God bless you and your efforts.
I can certainly agree with you when you say,
> I want to see every child of God that can get out of here make it out. It is going
> to be horrible.
II Peter 1:4-11 should help them. It gives a list of things to add to faith to "make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ." The things to add to faith "that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature" (i.e., Holy Spirit) are virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and charity (love).
So to prepare ourselves for the Rapture, I John 1:9 (confessing our sins) and II Peter 1:4-11 are key passages. We do want to have enough of the oil of the Holy Spirit to go with him when the Bridgroom comes for his Bride.
The world stage is set. The only things that have to happen before the evil one can be revealed is the Rapture of the Bride of Christ and the removal of the Holy Spirit's restraining influence.
Israel, both natural and spiritual, sons and daughters of Abraham, consist only in those who have the faith of Abraham
Rom 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
Those of natural Israel who do not believe, have as their father, not Abraham, not God, but the devil.
Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
Joh 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
And so when Paul declares
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
he is referring to those who believe
Rom 10:1 Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
and confess him to be YHVH yeshua
Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
both Jew and Gentile grafted or regrafted into HaMeshiach yeshua hanetsaret - the BRANCH.
My reply David, you understand what "none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory" (I Cor. 2:8).
John 17:3-7 says, "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee."
For the past 6 months or so, I have been focusing heavily on "End Times" related issues. I have seen so many diverse views and opinions regarding this subject that seemed at times to harbor confusion and uncertainty. I asked the Lord to shed light on these issues for me, including a request to know a rapture date if possible. Wouldn't you know that in less than a week, a friend sent me the link to your website. I am truly amazed at the depth of your knowledge on this subject and the biblical foundation for all of your conclusions. Your views (which I believe to be truthful) stand out head and shoulders above the others.
Anyhow, I see there is a discrepancy between the "Two Raptures" page on your website and your book "Revelations 2000". In regards the pre-wrath rapture, your book states on page 332 and 334 that Christ gathers the Tribulation Saints as he does the Church Saints. On your web page, you wrote "HE SENDS HIS ANGELS TO GATHER THE SAINTS". Your book states that the angels gather people for the winepress of wrath. Could you clarity this for me?
Also, I have a question about your thoughts on the role of the Saints during the Millenium. I realize the Saints are to reign and rule with Jesus, but does this mean we would travel between the Heavenly Jerusalem and earth to assist in His reign or dwell on the earth or is it only the Jewish Saints that will rule on earth overseeing the world? Will the Saints with glorified bodies be living and/or interacting with the earthly remnant? Thanks for your insight, you are an inspiration to many.
> In regards the pre-wrath rapture, your book states on page 332 and 334 that Christ gathers
> the Tribulation Saints as he does the Church Saints. On your web page, you wrote "HE SENDS
> HIS ANGELS TO GATHER THE SAINTS". Your book states that the angels gather people for
> the winepress of wrath. Could you clarity this for me?
I think I just realized this about the angels later. Sorry. I keep learning new things. Mt. 24:31 says, "And he shall send his ANGELS with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Mark 13:27 adds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." Mt. 13:31 says, I will say to the REAPERS...gather the wheat into my barn." That seems clear cut.
Also, Mt. 24:30 says, "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man IN HEAVEN."
Ezek. 38:20 mentions the great earthquake and says, "all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence." However, the word translated "presence" is translated "sight" in Eze. 36:31. It seems to be the Sign of the Son of Man. There is an awful lot going on in Heaven at that time, Christ's coronation, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ and the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.
A man phoned me the other day and gave me a good tip. He thinks the Rapture will happen all at once because of the confusion on one part of the Earth if people started to disappear on the other side of the Earth. Our fast communications do seem to make it look that way.
Interesting theory. I had a vision on pentecost in 1995....Elijah and Moses are not the two witnesses. That is just a popular theory. I hope you are right for your sake (about pentecost 1998). I certainly would not make such a prediction. It may expose you for who you are.
My reply I probably would not have published dates, being as so many are dead set against them, however after I saw a rectangle of light on Jer. 50:2 that said publish and conceal not, I published. What would you do?
As always, thank you for your patient replies to this and other notes from your sometimes wayward flock, and all your late nights suffered in the process.
I do honour the time and effort you spend helping us with our understanding. So for my part, I will prayerfully spend some time pondering and studying the references and your commentaries.
Your comments on the Septuagint and Dead Sea Scrolls were appreciated and very educational.
I eat my chalk and cheese regarding my original comment on Job 11:6...I was dead wrong and apologise. I didn't have my reference materials with me at the office. But I have found the Bible Gateway online (bible.gospelcom.net) for direct lookup, to help me avoid putting you into distress in the future!
Q1. But that aside, this passage was Zophar the Namaathite speculating about the nature of God. Did not God rebuke these "friends" of Job for not speaking the truth about Him? (in which case it would bring this insight into question).
Q2. Regarding your definition of a generation being 40 years, can you please shed some light on this question from Numbers 32 (KJV). (This time I quote, with thanks to the Bible Gateway!).
10And the LORD'S anger was kindled the same time, and he sware, saying,
11Surely none of the men that came up out of Egypt, from twenty years old and upward, shall see the land which I sware unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob; because they have not wholly followed me:
12Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh the Kenezite, and Joshua the son of Nun: for they have wholly followed the LORD.
13And the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed.
He tells us He waited until the last of them died. (By > "consumed", does this imply that He deliberately shortened their lives to all fit within the 40 years because of their sin? The oldest age would have then have had to be 60, since only those from age 20 and up were held accountable.)
1. the generational definition here says that everyone (bar two) had to DIE (be consumed) before Israel could move forward, then
2. unless God again deliberately shortens the lives of those Israeli's alive at the time of the 1967 war (new leaves shooting from Mathew 24:32), and
3. given that some who in 1967 who were 20 may perhaps live up to 100-110 or thereabouts given current lifespans.
does not that then mean that God has given us a "generational" window of 80-90 years from 1967 to rapture the church? ie. rapture window open until 2047-2057???
> Q1. ...this passage was Zophar the Namaathite speculating about the nature of God.
> Did not God rebuke these "friends" of Job for not speaking the truth about Him? (in
> which case it would bring this insight into question)
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. We have to figure out why that particular part was recorded for us. We can't throw it out. If you read the whole book to the end, you can sort out which things they said that were not right.
> Q2. Regarding your definition of a generation being 40 years, can you please shed
> some light on this question from Numbers 32...He tells us He waited until the last
> of them died. (By "consumed", does this imply that He deliberately shortened their
> lives to all fit within the 40 years because of their sin? The oldest age would have
> then have had to be 60, since only those from age 20 and up were held accountable.)
The youngest age of those counted would have been 20 plus 40, not the oldest age. I can't remember him telling us that He "waited" until the last of them died. He made sure that they all died within the 40 years of testing and probation. Nu. 14:33,34 says, "your children shall wander in the wilderness forty years, and bear your whoredoms, until your carcases be wasted in the wilderness. After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise." Nu. 32:13 says, "the LORD'S anger was kindled against Israel, and he made them wander in the wilderness forty years, until all the generation, that had done evil in the sight of the LORD, was consumed."
We are in such a period of testing and probation now. Remember De. 8:2, "thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no." Remember also Joshua 5:6, "for the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people that were men of war, which came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD."
Neh. 9:21,24 says, "forty years didst thou sustain them in the wilderness...So the children went in and possessed the land." So will it be in our days.
"Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall" (I Cor. 10:11,12).
> ...some who in 1967 who were 20 may perhaps live up to 100-110 or thereabouts given
> current lifespans.
> does not that then mean that God has given us a "generational" window of 80-90 years
> from 1967 to rapture the church? ie. rapture window open until 2047-2057???
A generation is not the same as a lifespan. Webster's says a generation is 33 years, but we have to go by the Bible. When this time of testing and probation is over, the catastrophe will take many out of here that have not already died during the Tribulation. Even a short time after that, after the Judgment of the Nations, the "goats" will be done away with. The "sheep" will go on into the Millennium.
It is interesting that those born in 1948 were 19 in 1967 and will be 59 in 2007, just as those that were 19 at the Exodus were 59 when they went into the Promised Land. Think about how that fits the fig tree parable of Mt. 24:32-34.
"When his branch is yet tender (apalos, young, i.e., no more than 19), and putteth forth leaves (Gaza, Golan Heights, Sinai, West Bank, in the Six-Day War of 1967), ye know that summer is nigh (war started June 5, summer June 21); So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it (the Rapture) is near, even at the doors (symbol of Rapture, Rev. 3:8). Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled." (1948 + 19 = 1967 + 40 = 2007)
Jesus Said in Jn 20.17 To tell His Brothers, His Brethren that He was going to His Father and Their Father, To His GOD and their GOD.
In your thinking, If the "LORD", The Almighty" is Not the GOD and Father of Jesus,
Who is the My Father, Your Father the My GOD , Your GOD He Speaks of ?
My reply No man hath seen God at any time, but II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."
Heb. 1:1-3 says, "GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (lit., in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down ON the right hand of the Majesty on high."
"The LORD (YHVH) hath made bare HIS HOLY ARM in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God....the ARM of the LORD (YHVH)...was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed" (Isa. 52:10; 53:1,5).
The pre-incarnate Christ is seen in Isa. 48:16: "Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me (the pre-incarnate Christ, the YHVH of hosts, who all along was the one that dealt with mankind)" (Isa, 48:16).
"Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, AND his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God" (Isa. 44:6).
"I the LORD (YHVH)? and there is no God else beside me; a just God AND a Saviour; there is none beside me. Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else" (Isa. 45:21,22).
Jesus said, "I am Alpha and Omega (i.e., the first and the last), the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8).
He also said, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first (Lord of the Old Testament) and the last (Lord of the New Testament)....I am the root (YHVH) AND the offspring of David (Jesus), and the bright and morning star (where his throne is located)" (Rev. 22:13,16).
Jesus said, "thou Father, art in me, and I in thee" (Jn. 17:21).
He also said, "I and my Father are one...the Father is in me, and I in him." (Jn. 10:30,37).
"I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world. I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins....They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he" (Jn. 8:23-28).
"The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven" (I Cor. 15:47).
"And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was" (John 17:5).
"But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory" (I Cor. 2:7,8).
Incoming Email I'm a married mother of two wonderfull children. I've always thought that I would live to see Jesus come to take us home. Reading things like this only makes me feel more strongly about it. I really have enjoyed reading here. I will come back to it when I can.
Congratulations on keeping your faith alive all these years. I can only hope that I can endure till the end. I get so afraid. Well anyways I just wanted to let you know, not that you dont already, that there are some out here that are listening. And hoping.
Thanks. It does help to know. And don't be afraid. If you are right with God, you don't need to be afraid.
My faith is unshakeable. I haven't the slightest doubt.
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