Pro and Con 752

Posted 5-21-01

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The Jerusalem Post, 5-18-01 (Ascension Day) Security Council to discuss UN force in territories

At the request of a coalition of Arab states, the UN Security Council is scheduled to convene a "closed consultation meeting" tonight to discuss the continuing violence between Israel and the Palestinians...US opposes PA request for an international observer force.

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Arafat regime near collapse as radical states press for war
Koenig's Internat'l News: http://watch.org/
5-19-01 WASHINGTON U.S. allies in the Arab world have warned Washington of a collapse of the Palestinian Authority. PA Chairman Yasser Arafat is said to be under pressure from Iran, Iraq and Syria to escalate the conflict with Israel....

President George Bush held a session on Thursday with his top advisers on implementing recommendations of a panel led by former Sen. George Mitchell. The report calls for a ceasefire by Israeli and Palestinian forces, a return to peace talks and an end to Israeli construction in the West Bank and Gaza Strip....

U.S. officials said the White House wants to draft an initiative based on the Mitchell report that would garner both Israeli and Arab support....

The Mitchell report is expected to be formally released on Monday. Meanwhile, both Israel and the Palestinian Authority have submitted comments on the report.

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If you are interested in happenings in space, this is a good URL to visit: http://www.spaceweather.com/

5-18-01 - SATURN AND THE SUN: The Solar and Heliospheric Observatory spotted a beautiful coronal mass ejection billowing away from the Sun on May 15th and 16th. Click on the image (at the URL above) for a full-sized movie of the explosion. The bright star-like object near the middle left is Saturn. The ringed planet is heading for a close encounter with the Sun on May 25th when the pair will lie less than two degrees apart. The Sun's blinding glare renders Saturn invisible to the naked eye when the two are so close together, but the occulting disk of SOHO's coronagraph blocks the Sun's light to reveal the faint corona as well as nearby stars and planets

IT'S BACK! Sunspots are normally short-lived...sunspot 9393 is an exception. It has already crossed the face of our star twice, in March and April, and now it's returning for a third transit....Earlier this year, 9393 unleashed the most powerful solar flare ever recorded....
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1-25-01: Earth's Invisible Magnetic Tail
NASA's IMAGE spacecraft, the first to enjoy a global view of the magnetosphere, spotted a curious plasma tail pointing from Earth toward the Sun....

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American Express...Smart chip technology on every card...

My reply

No thanks. Sneak attack. Delete

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Subject: Alert I got this morning. I wonder if it's a 10 day sign? God bless you and Ed...hoping to meet you in person soon, at our Lord's table. Love

From thelordsarmy.com Things appear to be happening very quickly on the world scene. If you have not been monitoring our web site for world news, here's the first 3 news items:

[5/18/01] Interesting timing: Philippine volcano awakens on the morning of May 18th: TPS
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/world/d210820.htm

[5/18/01] Earthquake jolts Indonesia on the morning of May 18th: WN
http://www.worldnews.com/?action=display&article=7276884& template=include/world8.txt&index=recent

[5/18/01] Israeli fighter jets strike targets in Gaza only hours after a suicide bomber kills 6 and injures over 100 in a crowded mall. This was the deadliest such attack since the Palestinian uprising began last year, and the first time Israel used fighter aircraft to respond--indicating that this could be the beginning of all out war in Israel unless the Church intercedes: CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/meast/05/18/bomb.netanya.03/index.html

My reply

Thanks for notifying me. I don't know if they could be signs or not. (More info follows.)
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5-18-01. Philippine volcano lets off more steam AP - Pressure from rising magma spit boulders from the Mayon volcano Friday, combining with gas and ash emissions. The activity indicates an eruption may occur within weeks.
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JAKARTA, Indonesia (AP) A 6.1 magnitude earthquake jolted Indonesia's Sumatra island on Friday...There were no immediate reports of injuries or damage.

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Re: You might remember me
Hi, Mrs. Agee. This is Joshua ---. Long time no talk, I would say, but, now, I guess this is my proverbial "walking down the center aisle", my last chance to really do so before anything comes.

Well, I've been having dream visions in incredible numbers, all of which almost definitely point to your prescribed date. I do believe we last left off with you and many others praying, waiting for a response. Wouldn't want to just leave you like that.

I confessed. I have no reason that can convince me not to believe now.

About the dreams and visions, I had one in particular which stands out. It truly had the, well, presence of God. It was a blunt statement, and when I was worried over whether the rapture would come or not, it was answered. A friend of mine had also had several visions, and they seem to coincide, biblically, "at the doors". Just thought I'd note the symbolism. Upon morning's awakening, he would see an odd message on the top, or on the bottom of his room's door.

To crown that off, I was at a friend's house, sleeping on the floor in a bag in front of his room's door. Upon awakening, I was in that hazy, half-asleep state, when I looked upon his door. There was, what appeared to be, a Torah inscribed in Hebrew. Looking upon, I picked out letters that seemed to mutate into English, before my eyes: "The Rapture will come when the rapture will come." It was blunt, and reminded me heavily of the "I AM what I AM" spoken to Moses.

Tell me what you think, and here's to hoping we'll meet soon. Josh

My reply

What I think is Yippee!, as I throw my cap in the air, kick up my heels and say, "Thank you Lord." I can't wait to meet you. I sure appreciate your writing to let us know that our prayers have been answered. I rejoice with you. You won't be sorry. You will be extremely glad. May the Lord bless you abundantly, both now and forever.

When we take a step upward spiritually, we are tested to see if we will hang on to it or let go. There is a very real angelic conflict, warring for your soul. I hope your testing is behind you now, but if not, hang in there. The more determined we are, the quicker the testing stops and turns to blessing.

I hope we are starting the last 10-day countdown to the Rapture today, Ascension Day, the anniversary of Christ's ascension. But if this Pentecost isn't the right time for the Rapture, we still have to hang in there. As you saw, "The Rapture will come when the rapture will come." It will come exactly when the time arrives that was planned for it before the world began.

In the King James Version, Ex. 3:14 says, "God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD (YHVH, Yahweh) God (Elohim) of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

I hope your e-mail program doesn't change the two words ("is") that are in italics to plain text, as my HTML editor does. This statement is even stronger than it seems in English. In Hebrew, when the word for a form of "to be" is used, there is some kind of a change involved. If the verb is omitted, and meant to be supplied by the reader, as in the above, it means that there is NO CHANGE.

"The Revelation of Jesus Christ" is when we see him at the Rapture. In the Preview of the Rapture presented in the first chapter of Revelation, Jesus Christ says, "I am Alpha AND Omega, the beginning AND the ending, saith the Lord, which Is (at the Rapture), and which was j(at the First Advent), and which is to come (at the Second Advent), the Almighty." The LORD that spoke to Moses is God, and "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself" (II Cor. 5:19).

You and your friend have had a DOOR emphasized to you, and through you, to us. God usually has more than one reason for doing what he does. In Jesus' message to the Philadelphian (meaning brotherly love) church (ekklesia, called out ones), he said, "I have set before thee AN OPEN DOOR, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name...Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation (the Tribulation), which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Behold, I come quickly (at the Rapture): hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown."

The Philadelphian church is the only church to whom the "open door" is mentioned. We know that this door is the door that opens in Heaven at the time of the Rapture. We will be caught up at the same time John will be caught up. In Rev. 4:1, John says, "behold, a DOOR was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither." This voice is Christ's. In the Preview, John said, "I was (literally, became) in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great VOICE, AS OF A TRUMPET, Saying, I am Alpha AND Omega, the first (LORD of the Old Testament) AND the last (Lord of the New Testament)" (Rev. 1:10,11). This is the first trump of God calling the Bride of Christ up to Heaven at the Rapture. We will then go through Heaven's OPEN DOOR and receive crowns.

I think you may have had a DOOR emphasized to you, and I got your e-mail on Ascension Day for a reason. There is a chance that Heaven's DOOR is opened today. James 5:8,9 says, "Be ye also patient; stablish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh. Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, THE JUDGE STANDETH BEFORE THE DOOR." We know that Christ is the judge who stands before the door. John 5:22 says, "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son." He will soon say in his voice like a trumpet, "Come up hither." Remember how Jesus was heard by 5000 people before microphones and amplifiers were used.

Mt. 25:10 says, "while they (the foolish virgins) went to buy, the bridegroom (Christ) came; and they that were READY (the wise virgins) went in with him to the MARRIAGE: AND THE DOOR WAS SHUT." We want to be ready and go through Heaven's door, not find it shut in our faces. To get ready, we need to use I John 1:9, confess our sins committed since we accepted Chist, so God can cleanse us of all unrighteousness. Luke 13:25 speaks to the foolish virgins, saying, "When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath SHUT TO THE DOOR, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence (where) ye are." We want our lamps to be burning brightly so we can be seen in the darkness of the night.

The last time the word "church" appears in the Bible is in Rev. 3:14. The last time the word "door" appears in the Bible is in Rev. 4:1. The church (ekklesia, called out ones) is called out when Heaven's door is opened in Rev. 4:1. The saints are not called "ekklesia" after that. I think it is because the called out ones have already been called out when Heaven's door opened and Jesus Christ said, "Come up hither."

What makes me think that there may be 10 days between when the Rapture is "at hand" (Rev. 1:3; 22:10) and when we hear Christ say, "Come up hither" is Rev. 2:10. It says, "Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation TEN DAYS: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." How could the 10 days be a sure thing unless the Rapture would take place 10 days later? Hoping to meet you soon. Agape

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Re: 10 Days Tribulation
I just read this months "Prophecy in the News" magazine and the article called "The Dispensations" and read that there were 10 differnt ages or times of persecution for the church and was wondering what your thoughts were on this. They referred to the Rev. 2:10 scripture about "you will have tribulation 10 days..." and say that this is NOT a literal 10 day 24 hour period of time, but is referring to these 10 different dispensations of persecution. Your thoughts? The 10 days start on the 18/19 of this month if it's taken literally?

My reply

There were 10 terrible persecutions under the Roman Emperors until Constantine's Edict of Toleration. This edict was in 313 AD, if I remember right. Bodies were stacked in big piles in the streets at times. Thousands lost their lives. That was then, and Revelation is now. I see no connection between Rev. 2:10's 10 days and things of the past.

I think Revelation is written as if it is Ascension Day (Friday, May 18 this year, which is only a few minutes away now), and the Rapture is at hand (maybe at Pentecost, May 28 this year). The Rapture is "at hand" in both the first and last chapters (1:3; 22:10). Jesus tells the Philadelphians he has set before them the open door (3:8) and finishes the book with "Surely I come quickly." He comes quickly at the Rapture. In 3:11, he tells the Philadelphians, "Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown." We should get ready and hold fast. Agape

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Re: need your opinion
Do you think your calculations could be off for this Pentecost of this year.Do you think it might happen at the feast of trumpets in Sept-Oct. What do you think of the Pope's trip to Syria? and the recent outburst of middle east violence?Could he be the false prophet the bible talks about. The signs are all here that's for sure.Do you think the Gospel has been preached to the whole world yet? Some say it hasn't.

My reply

> > Do you think your calculations could be off for this Pentecost

There is always that possibility. I am human. However, I don't know of any other time that fits so well in so many ways. There were 40 years plus another 120 days from Palm Sunday, when Jesus was refused as King to Av 10, when the temple proper was burned in 70 AD. In our days, there are 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967, when the temple area was regained, to Sept. 13, 2007, when I think Christ will be crowned King of kings and Lord of lords in Heaven.

Dan. 8:13,14 shows that the time that Israel sacrifices plus the time that she can't because the False Prophet desecrates the temple is 2300 days. Counting backward the 2300 days, by Jewish inclusive reckoning from Sept. 13, 2007 (the Feast of Trumpets), we find that the 70th week of Daniel very appropriately begins on the Feast of Weeks/Pentecost in 2001 (Sivan 6, May 28).

The date of Sept. 13, 2007 can be arrived at a different way. The Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993. Adding the 7 good years and 7 bad years brings us to Sept. 13, 2007. The Oslo Accords were ratified 3 days later in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding the 7 good years and the 7 bad years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which just happens to be Sept. 13, 2007. That seems to wrap it all up in a neatly tied package, but that isn't all.

There are to be 7 months between the Tishri 1 Feast of Trumpets that is the Day of God's Wrath and the following Nisan 1 (the Second Advent, Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). That means that the 7th year of the Tribulation has to be a Jewish Leap Year, and 5768 is a Leap Year. Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, falls on Apr. 6, 2008. I think that is the anniversary of the Crucifixion on Apr. 6, 30 AD. These add more ribbon around our package.

> > Do you think it might happen at the feast of trumpets in Sept-Oct.

No. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture is on Pentecost in the spring and the Pre-Wrath Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets. Song of Sol. 2:10-14 seems to point to the Rapture of the Bride of Christ when winter is past and the rain over and gone. Also when there are green figs and firstripe grapes. Isa. 18:3-6 also seems to point to the 1st Rapture at the time of the firstripe grapes. That is when the spies went into the promised land. Nu. 13:20 says to see "what the land is, whether it be fat or lean, whether there be wood therein, or not. And be ye of good courage, and bring of the fruit of the land. Now the time was the time of the firstripe grapes."

> > What do you think of the Pope's trip to Syria?

He is falling right in line with prophecy. He is bringing up the subjects of peace and international government.

> > the recent outburst of middle east violence?

It could be the year of digging and dunging the fig tree to see if it will produce fruit. If not, then it will feel the ax chopping away at its trunk (Lu. 13:6-9).

> > Could he be the false prophet the bible talks about.

No. Every day that goes by makes him seem more likely to be The Beast of Rev. 13:3-10. The False Prophet is the beast of Rev. 13:11-18. Zech. 5:4 says of the curse, the asteroid of Rev. 8:10, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (as Judas Iscariot was, the False Prophet is a thief; he probably steals people's bank accounts that will not take the mark of the beast), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > Do you think the Gospel has been preached to the whole world yet?

I don't know. There was a big push to complete it in 2000. However, Mt. 24:14 seems to be talking about "the end" that is the Great Tribulation. Agape

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Re: Pentecost
I've been surfilng your site for over a year and love the knowledge you share with us. I was wondering if you had any insights on the 380 disciples who did not watch and wait for the Holy Spirit to descend on Pentecost. For 25 years I've wondered why 500 went out to the mount to watch Jesus ascend into the clouds on Asscension Day and yet only 120 were present when Jesus sent the Holy Spirit 10 days later. (Probably jobs, family, etc... kept them away but did they finally believe and were filled with the Holy Spirit?)

Also, do you feel this may have any relevance to the end times and/or the 10 virgins? Do any of these numbers have significance in a spiritual way? Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.

My reply

Thanks for your kind words.

Maybe you see something I have missed. Acts 1:15 mentions 120, but I see nothing in that chapter about 500. I Cor. 15:6 says, "After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep." How do you know that 500 watched the ascension?

The number 120 seems to crop up at times. Man was given 120 years in Noah's day (Gen. 6:3). There were 40 years plus another 120 days from when they refused Jesus as King on Palm Sunday in 30 AD and when the temple proper was burned on Av 10 in 70 AD. In our days, there will be 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967, when the temple area was regained, to Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007 (all counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning). I expect that Feast of Trumpets to be the Day of God's Wrath. Agape

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Can u tell me y does the bible say that jesus is from the seed of David but he is not.

My reply

Jesus is descended from David. Luke 3 gives his genealogy all the way from Adam. Verses 31,32 say, "Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of DAVID, Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson." This genealogy is Mary's, whose father, Heli, was descended from David.

Joseph's genealogy is in Mt. chapter 1. Although he was only the stepfather, he too was descended from David. V. 6 says, "And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon." Jesus has kingly rights by birth. He also has kingly rights because he is more than the human Jesus. He has 2 natures, both man and God. In Rev. 22:16, Jesus Christ said, I am the root (YHVH, Yahweh) AND the offspring of David." II Cor. 5:19 explains, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Mt. 22:41-45 says, "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?"

In Psa. 110:1, David said, "The LORD (YHVH, the Father) said unto my Lord (YHVH of hosts, the Son of God), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."

Prov. 30:4 says, "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? WHAT IS HIS NAME, AND WHAT IS HIS SON'S NAME, if thou canst tell?"

Isa. 44:6 shows us that Christ is both YHVH king of Israel and YHVH of hosts, the Redeemer. It says, "Thus saith the LORD (YHVH) the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD (YHVH) of hosts; I am the first, AND I am the last; and beside me there is no God." Therefore, the Son's name is YHVH of hosts, YHVH SHUA (salvation), Y'shua, Jesus Christ. John explains that the Word was God, and that "the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:1,14).

Isa. 9:6 tells us, "unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Agape

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I am sorry you chose not to include my reference to the 11:11 information in your Pro and Con. I do not know your reasons, but if you would at least write to the gentleman who asked you and tell him that he is not alone, I would appreciate it.

If you do not wish to give him the address of my site, then please just tell him to go to any search engine such as www.google.com and do a search on "Coincidence 11:11" and he will be able to find information on this subject.

My web-site on 11:11 is: http://members.aol.com/SeeingBelieving/Chapter13.html (Chapter 13 - 11:11), God bless

My reply

I made no decision not to put this on my web site. I only got it May 14. Today is May 19. I have 382 messages in my Inbox. I do the best I can.

Here is another e-mail I got about 11:11. It too, came on May 14, just ahead of your e-mail. I'll Cc him.

> > I, too, have especially become conscious of the numbers " 11:11 " over the last few years. I have no particular leading about the meaning of them, other than that they could simply be sign from The Lord to encourage me. I have not consciously looked for this pattern of numbers, and I have usually been 'surprised' to see them when I have noticed them. I have wondered whether they might have a deeper significance. Every Blessing in Christ. Agape

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the Five Doves site had this link to a study on the word "apostasia." You may have already read it, but I wanted to pass it along to you. Hope you are feeling well, and that Ed is OK, and your family. I am so looking forward to meeting you all in glory. Watching, and praying always to be accounted worthy to stand before our dear Lord Jesus.
http://www.omegatime.org/rebellion_.htm

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> > "Rebellion, Falling Away, or Departure?" by Pastor John M. Sweigart

Thanks. I was happy to see that he thinks departure is correct. I do too.

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Is this the 1st of the last...?

"...we get to Iyar 26 in 5761 (May 19, 2001), that is likely to be the 1st of the last 10 days before the Rapture. At that point, I think the Rapture will become "nigh at hand."

My reply

I agree. I hope we are in the last 10 days of the countdown.

I was just thinking. In the Bible, we find certain sections or statements bookended by similar words or subjects. For instance, Mt. 24:51 mentions "weeping and gnashing of teeth." Mt. 25:30 ends with "weeping and gnashing of teeth." These bookend a section about wise servants being rewarded and foolish servants being cut off.

If we put the first and last verses of this section together, we get a fuller picture. For instance, Mt. 24:48-51 says, "if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites (pretenders): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Mt. 25:30 ends this story with "cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness (outside Heaven's door): there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

If we look up verses that mention "weeping and gnashing of teeth," we can learn more about this subject. Luke 13:28 says, "There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." This shows me that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and all the prophets will be in Heaven at the Pre-Trib Rapture, when unprofitable servants are cut off. Mt. 22 explains it further. The man without a wedding garment is cast outside the door, and there is "weeping and gnashing of teeth, For many are called, but few are chosen." It is like a snowball. If we roll it we pick up more snow as we go. The search is exciting. There seems to be no end to what treasures we can find.

Revelation is bookended by the Rapture. It is "at hand" in 1:3 and 22:10. The middle part of the book is the Tribulation.

I sure hope that all members of the ekklesia, called out ones, have used this "space to repent" (Rev. 2:21) wisely, so they will be called out the first time. We seem to be approaching the time when Rev. 22:11 will apply. It says, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." And guess what follows that? "And behold, I come quickly." Maranatha. Agape

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