Pro and Con 758

Posted 5-30-01
5-27-01 - "Called NGC 3603, the region lies 20,000 light-years away in the Southern constellation of Carina."

Ed and I thought this picture interesting when we first saw it. Now that I find out that it is in CARINA, the keel of the ship ARGO, I am even more interested. What is called the False Cross is also in CARINA.

The picture is almost like a cartoon. I see a fish tail on the left. The 2nd ship ARGO that was in the ancient Zodiac had a twisted fish tail on the left end of the ship like the one in Capricorn. This lively fish tail stands for resurrection in Capricorn, which stands for the death and resurrection of Christ. I wonder if this picture is supposed to represent resurrection. All the ranks of the first resurrection take place before Satan is chained. He will be looking on with sinister eyes.
5-30-01 - Ha’aretz reports: "Russia offered traditional words of sympathy Tuesday to visiting Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat, but responded coolly to his idea of calling an international summit to stop bloodshed in the Middle East....
5-29-01 - The Middle East Newsline reports: "Islamic states are urging the United States and the United Nations to intervene in the Israeli-Palestinian war and end all diplomatic contacts with the Jewish state. The call came amid plans by the Organization of the Islamic Conference to send a delegation to the West to press for Palestinian rights.

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5-30-01 - Pope Sends Envoys on Middle East Peace Mission
VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope John Paul has dispatched two senior envoys to Jerusalem to meet Israeli and Palestinian leaders to try to broker a cease-fire in their conflict, the Vatican said Wednesday.

A statement said the envoys would meet Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

The envoys, including Cardinal Pio Laghi, a seasoned 79-year-old diplomat, will hand the two leaders a personal letter from the Pope.

The aim of their mission is to "encourage both sides to reach a cease-fire and to resume a dialogue," the statement said.

Laghi, who served in the Vatican diplomatic service in Jerusalem, Latin America and the United States, is being accompanied by Monsignor Giovanni d'Aniello of the Vatican's Secretariat of State.

They left Rome for Jerusalem Wednesday....

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Thanks. I had an article I found last night, but this is updated.

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Re: did I miss it???
Dear Marilyn, please tell me you are still there. Agape

I think we need to hear from you,I know it must be soon,unless you are not there. Then we may have a few problems over here. God bless you. we love you, and Ed

My reply

We are here too. Keep watching the news out of Israel. Just now I saw that Arafat turned down the peace proposals. The URL below was still on my clipboard. I think it is the one with the news about Arafat. Surely, someone will come up with the idea of getting the UN and Pope involved to bring about the agreement. Things could pop any time. We just have to stay ready and be patient.

If Pentecost could be June 3, as some think, it seems possible for things to jell by that time. We will know soon. It seems to me that the Beast of Rev. 13:3-10 will be given power over the nations at the beginning of the first 1260 days of the Tribulation. That hasn't come to be yet. Agape

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I have been so excited and hopeful that Jesus was really coming this week to take us home. I have been watching and waiting for it and my friends just laugh at me and I tell them that they are just fulfilling Bible prophecy when they say He is not coming back right now. (They are believers) However, two nights ago after reading your website, I asked Jesus to please tell me if He truly is coming for us in this season of time and I believe, much to my disappointment, that He said "No. You are not ready." He said He wanted to come for us even more than we wanted Him to come but that we were not ready just yet. I pray that we all get ready soon. With everything promised to us in the Bible, we still have to factor in the adjustment: should Jesus tarry. Evidently, that is what is going on now, even when it looks like this should be the appointed timetable for the Rapture. As much as it hurts me, I felt I had to share this. Tarrying is God's mercy, I guess, when you think about it. It still doesn't change anything. We still have to keep watching and waiting and warning people. That doesn't make any of us false prophets. We just have to accept the fact that "Jesus tarries" or holds back or hesitates, however you want to say it. There are millions not ready yet for His coming. I don't know how long He will wait for them. I wish everyone felt like you and I do but they don't. I want to go home and be with my Lord and my God. It just looks like it won't be as soon as we had thought. Love to all and believe me, I pray that I am wrong.

My reply

Whether it is or it isn't, as you said, it doesn't change what we have to do. We need to stay ready and keep close tabs on the peace talks, the Pope, the UN, the UR. Things could come together in one big hurry now that both sides have agreed to negotiate. Israel has already accepted the Mitchell report. Another thing I have often wondered about, do the saved equal the number of fallen angels? Do we take their places in the government of God? Whatever, everything will come out right in the end. The Lord is in charge. He knows best. Agape

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Re: Lion headed for Earth!
I saw this on Jack Horkheimer's Star gazer show this morning. It appears the Lion is headed for earth, my first thought was our "Lion of Judah" who may come get us soon. Your thoughts? Because of Him
"The Regal and Magnificent Stars Which Make The Heart and Tail Of Leo The Lion"
"...any clear night just after sunset the next 3 weeks, late May, early June facing west where approximately half way up from the horizon to the zenith you will see the stars which make up the constellation Leo. Right now he is headed face down, straight for the horizon, a backward question mark, or sickle-shaped, group of stars mark his head, mane and forefront, the brightest star, Regulus, which means "little king", marking his heart. Then higher in the sky and forming a perfect right triangle, 3 stars make up leo's hind section, the brightest star being Denebola, meaning the lion's tail..."

My reply

Thanks for sending this. We had the lion cub's face in the Moon over Jerusalem 1-9-01, now the full grown Leo apparently heading for Earth. That's a nice touch when we are expecting the Lion of the tribe of Judah to come for his Bride soon. Agape

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Re: Rapture
Thank you for sharing with your readers your understanding of scripture. I truly appreciate all the hard work that you have put into your studies over the years.

I will be 56 years old this year and with your help the bible is starting to come alive for me. I discovered your site about 6 months ago and have learned more in those 6 months than I have learned in all of my previous years. I love the Lord with all my heart and look forward to meeting you after we are caught up to be with the Lord before the 7 year tribulation period begins.

If the rapture does not take place on May 27-28, 2001 as projected, it seems we need to challenge the assumptions that led to that date and then keep searching the scriptures for more clues. I noticed in P & C 756, that you start with the year 5278 and then add the 6 blocks of years in the 400s. Please explain where the year 5278 comes from. Let me know how I can help.

Anyway, I like you, are in this for the long haul and will wait patiently upon the Lord. Thanks again

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. Believe me, it was a labor of love. One time, I prayed that if I had to lose something, to make it my hearing and not my eyes. The Lord has honored that prayer. I am hard of hearing, but I can read the Bible. I'm the type of person that learns best by reading anyway. It seems like I have always written things to myself to study. I appreciate the computer so much. Being able to edit easily is such a blessing. Having several Bible versions and Strong's Concordance on the computer is way beyond my wildest dreams.

> > Please explain where the year 5278 comes from.

Our year 1517 (Jewish 5278) is the year the Ottoman Turks took Palestine and the year Martin Luther started the Protestant Reformation. He tacked his 95 theses to the church door in Wittenberg, Germany in 1517 (5278). The Turks fled Jerusalem before Gen. Allenby 400 years later, in 1917. Gen. 15:13 says, "he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not their's, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years." That affliction applied to Egypt, but foreshadowed the 400 years the Ottoman Turks held Jerusalem too.

Thanks for your offer to help. Thinking through it again. The Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993. If there are 7 good years and 7 bad years as when Joseph was in Egypt, we come to Sept. 13, 2007 (Tishri 1, 5768, the Feast of Trumpets). The Accords were ratified in Israel 3 days later on Tishri 1, 5754. Adding 14 years brings us to Tishri 1, 5768, which is Sept. 13, 2007. Back up the 2300 days in Dan. 8:13,14 (by Jewish inclusive reckoning), and we come to Sivan 6, 5761 (May 28, 2001). This is both called Pentecost (50) and Feast of Weeks, so it is a perfect time for the 70th week of Daniel to begin. The space between Pentecost and Trumpets varies. It is not always 2300 days. There isn't another 2300 days between those dates for awhile. I know I checked at least to 2014 and probably more without finding such a total between those feasts.

From Palm Sunday (when Jesus was refused as king) in 30 AD to Av 10 (when the temple proper was burned) in 70 AD was 40 years plus another 120 days. In our days, there are 40 years plus another 120 days from June 7, 1967 (when Israel regained the temple area) to Sept. 13, 2007. That is Tishri 1, 5768, which is a Jewish Leap Year with the 13th month. This is necessary for there are 7 months (Eze. 39:12,13) between the Day of God's Wrath and the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (first day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year) (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3). I don't see how it can be moved.

The Beast rides forth on the white horse as the 1st seal on the Title Deed of the Earth is broken. He rules the first 1260 days (Rev. 13:5). The False Prophet rules the rest of the 2300 days. It is the Great Tribulation that gets shortened (Mt. 24:22). Moses and Elijah prophesy the same 1260 days that the Beast rules. When the False Prophet comes to full power Mid-Trib, he kills them, probably when he sits in the temple shewing himself that he is God (II Thess. 2:4). Can you see it differently? Agape

Note: The actual calendar may differ from the Talmudic Jewish Calendar. However, the Talmudic Calendar should get us in the ballpark. Stay alert to the news of the peace process.

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Re: P&C 757
The reply to Chad Harvey from the 50 year old pilot was right on. I couldn't have said it better. Chad should read his bible more. I understand that we're to GENTLY refute others, especially if they are brothers/sisters in Christ. He evidently has some growing up to do.

Please keep up your good work. I may not agree with all you write, but I am extremely glad to have a sister in Christ who loves the Lord as much as you evidently do. Some day, I hope soon, we will understand it all. Since we're probably all wrong about one detail or another, it makes you kinda humble, doesn't it? Perhaps Chad thinks we all have to have an A+ in knowledge to be saved.

I know, accept and love a pastor that believes in the pan-tribulation theory; that it will all "pan out" in the end! Sorry, poor joke; but he's real and this is what he said. I suppose he isn't saved according to Chad's standard of judgement. By the way, isn't Chad in danger of being judged by his standard of judgement? Hmmmm... What does that mean for him, especially if his judgement is wrong? Oh well, what really matters is this...

Christ paid the penalty for my sins by dying on the cross and rose as proof that the Father accepted His sacrifice for me. I believed it, I received it and it's been quite an adventure through life since, even though I'm only 49 and not a pilot. May the Lord bless your efforts

My reply

Thanks for your kind words. You have your priorities straight. Your statement about Christ proves that. If we are right about Christ, we can be wrong on other things without jeopardizing our salvation. I don't want to judge anyone. That job is the Lord's alone. I sincerely hope all believers get ready before the Rapture. I wouldn't wish for any believer to get left behind for the "weeping and gnashing of teeth," not even Chad.

As far as not agreeing with everything I write, I doubt that any two people would agree on everything. The Bible is too complex. As I learn more, I may not agree with something I wrote before, either. I am just doing my very best at the time to understand Scripture. I am tickled when someone else can see something I can't, and can teach me so that I can see what they see. We are all winners when we compare our thoughts and explore the pro and cons of a subject. And yes, not knowing everything keeps us humble.

Pilot or not, one of these days before long, we're going to fly. I'm checking on the news from Israel each night, following the peace talks. I may not understand everything, but I am sure watching and trying my best. Do you think there is any significance to the floor in the wedding hall in Jerusalem giving way and people falling into a dark hole? Agape

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RE: Well Done, Good and Faithful Servant.
Strange...rather than feeling disappointment, I feel a strong sense of rejoicing that the Lord is worthy of our whole and complete trust...that His timing will be worthy of our praise and that it (the Return of the Bridegroom for His Bride) is indeed upon us! Israel speaks so loudly as to God's time clock.

There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that when we rejoice with you in our meeting with the Lord, that you will receive immense reward for awakening believers to the need for personal purity and readiness for the Bridegroom's call!

The scoffers and hostile individuals who are bound to e mail you at this juncture deserve no more that a quick delete button...which I fear will be what some will receive from the Lord Himself...the hatred and animosity exhibited in those e mails cannot belong to a spirit directed believer.

God Bless you and restore you as we continue to wait for His perfect timing. Much Love

My reply

I'm fine. Don't worry about me. I slept almost all morning yesterday to make up for sleep lost trying to post everything I could. A weather-related headache drove me to bed early last night too. It's gone now. Strangely enough, I haven't received one piece of hate mail yet. I do know where the delete button is, anyway.

I really wasn't too surprised that the Rapture was not on Sivan 6, because I think the Pope and UN will get into the deal to get the peace covenant confirmed. Dan. 9:27 says, (JPL): "he shall make a firm covenant WITH MANY for one week; and for half of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the offering to cease; and upon the wing of detestable things shall be that which causeth appalment; and that until the extermination wholly determined be poured out upon that which causeth appalment.’"

(LXX): "one week shall establish the covenant WITH MANY: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple shall be the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation."

Sure enough, in today's news, the Pope sent an envoy to Jerusalem to deliver his letter to Arafat and Sharon.

I'm so thankful that Ed got me on the Internet. I can get the news coming out of Israel quickly now. I just checked the wailing wall camera and had to laugh when I told Ed what happened. They changed the angle of the camera so we can't see the face on the wall now. (On second thought, maybe they just zoomed in closer.) The picture doesn't show the upper part of the wall. I have 4 pictures taken at different times that show it though. The cat is already out of the bag. Agape

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Re: Be of good cheer
I just want to encourage you, your task is a formidable one. The scriptures absolutely reveal that we "must" know the times of things to come, but the formula for the revelation is well concealed. "[It is] the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings [is] to search out a matter." Your ministry is "of God" and I applaud your research and telling forth. You are an "investigative reporter" that you publishes your research and as a king and a priest it is the glory of God that you be honored for your efforts.

Prophecy is not a byproduct of our belief or a secondary issue for a Christian, but is the heart of it, our Blessed Hope. The promise of the second coming of Christ and the promise to keep His from the time of trouble to come should be the lifeblood of our faith. Fulfilled prophecy is what assures us that as yet unfulfilled prophecy will indeed be fulfilled for God changes not.

I have been disappointed before, and was disappointed yesterday, but we just don't have all the details collected yet. You will! Keep looking up, our redemption draws near. For you there is a crown for being excited at his coming (your honor from Him).

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Thanks. I'm fine and undaunted as I watch the news closely. We are being shown by the process of elimination which dates the Rapture is not on. Maybe then, we will be able to zero in better. No wonder Jesus said to watch. What an exciting time to live in. We get to see how prophecy is being fulfilled. The Pope has sent an envoy to Ariel/Jerusalem to deliver his letter to Arafat and Ariel Sharon. Since Dan. 9:27 says the covenant is confirmed with "many," I expect the UN to get involved when this comes about.

I think the Beast will be the Tribulation Pope. In Rev. 17:10, he "is" in power at the time of the Pre-Trib Rapture. Those that "are with him (the Lamb of God) are called, and chosen, and faithful" (17:14). In Rev. 13, the Beast continues. This makes me think he is in power before the Rapture, but is given new duties after the Rapture. When he is given new powers for 42 months (1st 1260 days of the Tribulation), we will be among "them that dwell in heaven." Rev. 13:5-7 says, "there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power (exousia, the sign of regal authority, a crown) was given unto him TO CONTINUE forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy (blasphemia, impious and reproachful speech injurious to divine majesty) against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle (skene, habitation), and THEM THAT DWELL IN HEAVEN (the wise Philadelphian virgins). And it was given unto him to make war with the saints (foolish Laodicean virgins) and to overcome them: and POWER WAS GIVEN HIM OVER ALL KINDREDS, AND TONGUES, AND NATIONS."

Darby's translation of v. 5 says "there was given to it authority to pursue its career forty-two months." I think he will continue his career as Pope, but have power over all nations too. He can't overcome the saints in Heaven, but he can overcome the saints left behind on Earth.

This man rides on the scene in Rev. 6 on a white horse as a prince of peace. He gets his crown when the 1st seal is broken as the Tribulation begins and a sword when the 2nd seal is broken, probably the next year. The elders and wise Philadelphian saints are in Heaven when the 7-sealed Title Deed to the Earth is given to Christ. That is before the 1st seal is broken.

These things and more can pop at any time. The Bilderbergers were to have finished their meeting May 28. I 'm sure they have plans for the OWG that we haven't even heard of yet. Agape

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Re: Shavuot and Pentecost
I hope you are not too discouraged, we aren't, we know Jesus' coming is very soon...

Yesterday I spent several, several hours on the web looking for answers about why some said Pentecost was on May 28th while others said June 3.... I came up with some stuff, maybe you will find interesting.

Shavuoth (weeks) is celebrated on May 28th 2001, because it falls on Sivan 6, and it is Jewish tradition to celebrate it on Sivan 6.
Pentecost (feast of weeks) is celebrated on June 3rd 2001, Sivan 13, because it is litterally counted 50 days from Passover.

Which is the stronger tradition????
To have Pentacost always fall on a Sunday? Or to have Shavuoth always fall on Sivan 6?
I don't know, but there is a slight difference between these days, and I have included links for you if you would like to read more of the explanation for this....

Also this is a very good link about all the Jewish Feasts that I found very helpful:

I really looked into the feast of Trumpets (as a possible time for Rapture), but I still think Pentacost is the Feast day for our Rapture... Trumpets seems to be fulfilled when the trumpets of Revelation are sounded and perhaps when the final great harvest is gathered in at that 2nd Rapture... Jesus is the main Star of all the seven feasts... Pentacost has been fulfilled by the Holy Spirit, but will be fulfilled by Jesus when he calls us home at the first Rapture (I'm just guessing)... If one looks at all the feast we can see they all point to Jesus.

Hope to see a new Pro/Con soon. God bless you.

P.S. I wrote to the lady who's website this is on, and she basically said that all the answers she knew were already there, just have to read it very carefully to get some understanding. She is a very nice Christian lady, and has a very nice website with lots of cool things on it.

My reply

Thanks. As far as what I know, some people think we should count the 50 days from the 1st Sunday after Passover. Others, like me, think all feasts are Sabbaths/holy convocations/days of rest and count the 7 weeks plus 1 day from the Feast of Firstfruits. Lev. 16:29,31 says, of the Day of Atonement, "seventh month, on the tenth day of the month...It shall be a sabbath (shabbath) of rest unto you." It is always on Tishri 10, and therefore is not always on Saturday. Josephus, a Pharisee priest, said, "But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the SIXTEENTH day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth....When a week of weeks has passed over AFTER this sacrifice, (which weeks contain forty and nine days,) on the fiftieth day, which is Pentecost...they bring to God a loaf, made of wheat flour" (Ant. III. X. 5,6).

There is always the chance that the Lord is going by the astronomical calendar and I am going by the Jewish Talmudic Calendar too. Anyway, this gets us in the ball park. Now, we should keep close tabs on the peace process, the Pope and the UN/OWG. It seems like we have the puzzle pieces, but they haven't quite been put together yet.

I'm not discouraged. Don't worry about me. I am strong in my faith and already well aware of my inability to always be right. :-) I am running the race as hard as I can, nevertheless. I think these are exciting days to live in. We get to see prophecy fulfilled before our eyes. I am so thankful to be on the Internet, where I can get updates on the news frequently.

> > I still think Pentacost is the Feast day for our Rapture... Trumpets seems to be fulfilled when the trumpets of Revelation are sounded and perhaps when the final great harvest is gathered in at that 2nd Rapture...

I thought so, but it doesn't seem that things can rock around another year before the peace agreement is confirmed, either. Any time between now and June 21 (summer) still looks good. We just have to be patient and see. I do expect the Pre-Wrath Rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. Rev. 18:4 is probably talking about that day. It says, "I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."

I just checked the wailing wall camera again. They still have it on a closeup view so we can't see the face on the wall. That sure makes me curious to know why they changed it. Whether we can see it any more or not, I got 4 pictures of it at different times.

Song of Solomon 2:7-3:4 in the LXX is very interesting. It says, "I have charged you, ye daughters of Jerusalem, by the powers and by the virtues of the field, that ye do not rouse or wake my love, until he please. The voice of my kinsman! behold, he (the kinsman Redeemer, Y'shua/Jesus Christ) comes leaping over the mountains, bounding over the hills. My kinsman is like a roe or a young hart on the mountains of Baethel: behold, HE IS BEHIND OUR WALL, looking through the windows, peeping through the lattices. My kinsman answers, and says to me, RISE UP, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove. For, behold, the winter is past, the rain is gone, it has departed. The flowers are seen in the land; THE TIME OF PRUNING HAS ARRIVED; the voice of the turtle-dove has been heard in our land. The fig-tree has put forth its young figs, the vines put forth the tender grape, they yield a smell: ARISE, COME, my companion, my fair one, my dove; yea, come. THOU ART MY DOVE, IN THE SHELTER OF THE ROCK, NEAR THE WALL: SHEW ME THY FACE, and cause me to hear thy voice; for thy voice is sweet, and thy countenance is beautiful. Take us the little foxes that spoil the vines: for our vines put forth tender grapes. My kinsman is mine, and I am his: he feeds his flock among the lilies. Until the day dawn, and the shadows depart, turn, my kinsman, be thou like to a roe or young hart on the mountains of the ravines. By night on my bed I sought him whom my soul loves: I SOUGHT HIM, BUT FOUND HIM NOT; I called him, but he hearkened not to me. I will rise now, and go about in the city, in the market-places, and in the streets, and I will seek him whom my soul loves: I sought him, but I found him not. The watchmen who go their rounds in the city found me. I said, Have ye seen him whom my soul loves? IT WAS AS A LITTLE WHILE AFTER I PARTED FROM THEM, THAT I FOUND HIM whom my soul loves."

According to Isa. 18:3-6 (KJV), this pruning is "afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower." Then wouldn't the harvest be in just "A LITTLE WHILE"? The spies went into the promised land at "the time of the firstripe grapes" (Nu. 13:20).

Heb. 10:35-38 (KJV) says, "Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward. For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise. For YET A LITTLE WHILE, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry (chronizo, tarry so long). Now the just shall live by faith" (not sight). Agape

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Re: Take heart and be strong!
I have been visiting your webpage since 1997. You are a constant encouragement to me! Always faithful to God's Word. I am confident that the Lord is pleased with your diligence and hard work. Some day soon! Some day soon! Take heart and be strong!

My reply

Thanks. I am strong. It may only be a little while. We need to keep watching the peace process, the Pope and the UN. Agape

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Here you have the proof. Rapture will occure within 10 days

Pope sends special envoy to Jerusalem in peace effort

SP - Pope John Paul II sent a special envoy today to Jerusalem to encourage Israelis and Palestinians to reach a cease-fire and resume dialogue.

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Thanks. It could be. I'll be watching. Agape

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