Pro and Con 763

Posted 6-11-01, updated 6-12-01

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Re: IMPORTANT: 6-21-01 Solar Eclipse & Job 9:9
From: Juliway@aol.com - Sent: 6-11-01 4:13 AM

First I would like to thank you for referencing my paper 'Seeing Is Believing' regarding the 11:11 information. I hope it was useful to some of your readers.

I also have new information regarding the June 21, 2001 Solar Eclipse that you and your readers may find interesting. It seems that several things I previously figured out all have relevance to this upcoming event. It is as though several pieces of a puzzle have been connected.

One of these relates to the scripture Job 9:9, "Which maketh Arcturus, Orion, and Pleiades, and the chambers of the south." If you draw a triangle between these three stars/constellations, you will find that the Solar Eclipse occurs exactly inside this triangle!

There are also many more "clues" involved. I hope you will reference my paper again so that your readers may read this information. The link is: http://members.aol.com/Believe1111/SeeingBelieving/Chapter15.html. Thank you and God bless, Juli

My reply

Thanks lots for reminding me of the June 21, 2001, Solar Eclipse, and thanks to someone else that sent me some neat sky charts. His computer program will even go back into BC years. On April 6, 30 AD, the Crucifixion, Saturn was in Gemini. On Sept. 18, BC 4044, when I think Adam was created, these were lined up along the ecliptic at noon, left to right, Mars, Mercury, Pluto, Sun, Saturn, Venus, Uranus, Jupiter and Neptune. Add Earth and you have the Sun with all 9 of its planets listed.

After getting your e-mail, I went to:
http://www.fourmilab.ch/cgi-bin/uncgi/Yoursky
I set it for 12:00 noon at Jerusalem, June 21, 2001. The Sun is at 6h 0m 43s and the Moon is at 6h Om 48s Right Ascension. The Sun is entirely covering the Moon in this chart. Jupiter and Mercury are overlapping, with Jupiter partly covered by the Moon. So, clustered together and overlapping are Sun, Moon Jupiter and Mercury. To the Right along the ecliptic are Saturn in Taurus and Venus in Aries. To the left, Regulus, the king star, is on the ecliptic, approx. the same distance to the left as Venus is to the right of the Moon. Jupiter is at 5h 38m 47s, Mercury at 5h 29m 57s, Saturn at 4h 25m 14s, and Venus at 2h 53m 19s Right Ascension.

And guess what, THE ECLIPSE WILL BE IN GEMINI, which seems to be the sign of the Rapture. Gemini is the sign from May 21 through June 21. The sign of Cancer is from June 22 through July 22. Eph. 2:4-6 says, "God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath RAISED US UP TOGETHER, AND MADE US SIT TOGETHER IN HEAVENLY PLACES IN CHRIST JESUS." In Gemini, the Bride is sitting "in heavenly places" with the Bridegroom on the ecliptic.

On May 28, 2001, Saturn and the Sun kissed in Taurus. On Sept. 13, 2007, Saturn and Regulus, the king star (in Leo), will kiss on the very day I think Christ (Lion of the tribe of Judah) will receive his golden crown on Saturn. That shows how slowly majestic Saturn moves along the ecliptic, slower than any other planet. Saturn takes 29.5 years to circle the Sun once. Having her at the right place at the right time took God's planning to accomplish. Eph. 3:9,10 says, "to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God."

De. 4:11,12 says, "ye came near and stood under the mountain (Sinai, probably from the Sanskrit, Sani, Saturn); and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and THICK DARKNESS. And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE OF THE WORDS, but saw no similitude; only ye heard A VOICE." We will hear the Lord's voice like a trumpet saying, "Come up hither" (Rev. 4:1) at the Pre-Trib Rapture. The first trumpet of the Bible sounded long at Sinai. Ex. 19:16 mentions "the VOICE OF THE TRUMPET EXCEEDING LOUD." Rev. 4:1 says, "the first VOICE which I heard was AS IT WERE OF A TRUMPET TALKING WITH ME; WHICH SAID, COME UP HITHER". This is the first trump, the Pre-Trib Rapture.

At Sinai, Moses had to go up and down the mountain several times, as we have hoped for the Rapture several times. There may be more clues there, but I'm too anxious to tell you what else is on my mind to go into it now.

II Sam. 22:1-22 (also found in Psa. 18) is talking about the Day of God's Wrath, the day I think the "last trump," the Pre-Wrath Rapture, will take place. It says, "David spake unto the LORD the words of this song in the day that the LORD had delivered him out of the hand of all his enemies...In my distress I called upon the LORD, and cried to my God: and he did hear my voice out of his temple, and my cry did enter into his ears. Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations of heaven moved and shook, because HE WAS WROTH. There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down; and darkness was under his feet. And he rode upon a cherub, and did fly: and he was seen upon the wings of the wind. And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark waters, and thick clouds of the skies. Through the brightness before him were coals of fire kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the most High uttered his voice. And he sent out arrows, and scattered them; lightning, and discomfited them. And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered, at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils. HE SENT FROM ABOVE, HE TOOK ME; he drew me out of many waters (i.e., people, multitudes and nations, Rev. 17:15); He delivered me from my strong enemy (Gog's army, Eze. 38), and from them that hated me: for they were too strong for me....HE BROUGHT ME FORTH ALSO INTO A LARGE PLACE: he delivered me, because he delighted in me. The LORD REWARDED ME (at the Judgment Seat of Christ that day) ACCORDING TO MY RIGHTEOUSNESS: ACCORDING TO THE CLEANNESS OF MY HANDS hath he recompensed me. For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God."

Gen. 1:14 says, "God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for SIGNS, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS."

INTERESTING STAR CHARTS FROM "YOUR SKY"

June 21, 2001 (the Summer Solstice), at noon, the Sun, Moon, Jupiter and Mercury are huddled together when the Moon eclipses the Sun. Saturn is in Taurus, Venus in Aries. Maybe its the day of the 1st Rapture. Saturn rises at 3:29 AM. It is a morning star at that time. In Rev. 2:28, Jesus said of the overcomers, "I will give him the morning star."

December 20, 2001 (the Winter Solstice), at noon, from left to right along the ecliptic, we have the Moon, Mars, Uranus, Neptune, Mercury, the Sun touching Venus, with Pluto last and above the line of the ecliptic. Maybe its the beginning of the Tribulation. There are 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14), counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning between Dec. 21, 2001 and April 6, 2008, which I think is the Second Advent, when the sanctuary will be cleansed (Dan. 8:13,14; Eze. 45:18).

Sept. 13, 2007 (Tishri 1, 5768, 1st day of the Jewish Civil Year), at noon, left to right along the ecliptic, we have Pluto, Jupiter, the Moon, the Sun, Saturn and Venus. Saturn is occulting (hiding) Regulus, the king star in Leo (representing the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, Christ). I think this will be the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, the day Christ receives his golden crown, the day of the 2nd Rapture, the Marriage of the Lamb, the Judgment Seat of Christ, and the Day of God's Wrath.

Apr. 6, 2008 (Nisan 1, 5768, 1st day of the Jewish Regnal Year and Sacred Year), at 6:00 PM, there is a partial Solar Eclipse. Lined up to the right of the Sun and Moon along the ecliptic are Mercury, Venus, Uranus, Neptune, Jupiter and Pluto (8 heavenly bodies in the new order of things, and 8 means new order).

Today is June 11, ten days before June 21. Rev. 2:10's 10 days might apply to this time. We all need to get ready, stay ready and watch. Agape

PS: GEMINI is the sign assigned to Benjamin, which means "son of the right hand," i.e., Christ. The last day of the sign of GEMINI is June 21.

On June, 22, CANCER is the sign. It was the sign of Issachar, which means reward, recompense. CANCER stands for the assembled thousands hanging on. The Decans of CANCER are the GREATER SHEEPFOLD, the MINOR SHEEPFOLD and the ship ARGO (the company of travelers). I think the smaller sheepfold represents the Bride and the 1st Rapture (Rev. 4:1; 5:9) and the larger one represents the great multitude that are caught up in the 2nd Rapture (Rev. 7:9,14).

The ancients considered CANCER a cherub (i.e., planet) of the lost Paradise. Many legs in hieroglyphics represent a multitude. CANCER in Arabic comes from KHAN, which means THE TRAVELLERS RESTING PLACE, and CER, encircled or embraced. The brightest star is ACUBENE, THE SHELTERING, OR HIDING, PLACE (i.e., our heavenly Paradise. This same star is also called MA ALAPH, the assembled thousands. It fits the picture.

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From: Finland - Subject: stars
I tried to locate the old P/C were my previous " report" about the 'presence of a Force' was (looked June 99 and 00) but could not find.

I checked the Stars. Saturn, Jupiter and Sun are all in Taurus. Moon joins them later this month. Saturn is between Alderan and Alcyone (Pleiades) near Ain and Kappa1 Taurus (astronomers classification?) Looking from Jerusalem Saturn rises about 4 am. If we ignore daylight savings Saturn does rise above horizon 19th June at 3.21. After this date a bit earlier every morning. I donīt know if this is of any significance, but so the stars move around.

Maybe understand shall increase. Heard about an earthquake near Port Moresby - there was a 6 minute interval between quakes. Wonder if anybody studied the length between quakes. Is it possibly shorter and shorter. They talk a lot about "afterquakes" has anybody measured whether the pace is more rapid every time? Agape

My reply

Thanks. I appreciate your checking the time that Saturn rises with the astronomy program that you have. If it rises at 3:21 AM on June 19, it should rise 4 minutes later each day. So on June 21, it would rise at 3:29 AM as viewed from Jerusalem. Wouldn't that be 4:29 AM daylight saving time? I think Israel is on DST. Anyway, Saturn is a morning star now. Rev. 2:28 says of the overcomer, "I will give him the morning star." Saturn is an evening star in the fall. Do you happen to know when it becomes an evening star and when it becomes a morning star?

The older Pro and Cons are only on the nbci site. The geocities site is limited to 15 MBs. The pe.net site is limited to 20 MBs. I think you told me about the Force right after Pentecost in 1998. My backup is a Zip File. I don't know how to do a search, but I know that Pro and Con 110 was dated 5-28-98.

> > Kappa1 Taurus (astronomers classification?)

Yes. The stars are called Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Delta, etc. through the Greek alphabet. Usually, Alpha is the brightest star in that constellation, Beta, the 2nd brightest, etc. In Taurus, the Alpha Tauri star is Aldebaran, marking the eye of the extinct white bull reem. The brightest Pleiades star is Alcyone.

I don't know if the pace of aftershocks is increasing or not, but large earthquakes are increasing. We have felt a few big ones that cracked our walls or cement driveway and many little ones. It is a funny feeling when some seem to pick up your chair and set you down again after moving you over. The first warning is usually the rattling of windows and other things in the house. Other quakes are rolling like waves. When driving the car, we miss most shocks, but if stopped at a traffic signal, a rolling one makes us think we can't hold the car still with the brakes. Once, we were on a bridge that was rolling. That was a bit scary. Once, we were awakened by the very loud sound of one. It was like a fast short train went right over our bed. It could have been an airplane, but I'd think if one sounded like that, and was that low, it would crash. We are used to planes. Neither of us thought it was a plane. It sounded exactly like a train. Sometimes, we get sonic booms. Those are one quick sound and one quick rattle of windows. The earthquakes keep shaking the windows back and forth. There is no mistaking one for the other then. The whole house creaks. Agape

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You probably are already aware of this Saturn news. Saturn looked more 'golden' when I was there!
http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0106/08saturn/
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Saturn's changing seasons
Looming like a giant flying saucer in our outer solar system, Saturn puts on a show as the planet and its magnificent ring system nod majestically over the course of its 29-year journey around the Sun. These Hubble images, captured from 1996 to 2000, show Saturn's rings open up from just past edge-on to nearly fully open as it moves from autumn towards winter in its Northern Hemisphere.

My reply

Thanks loads. I'm glad you sent the URL, because the pictures didn't print in the e-mail. (They did later, after I had gone online again.)

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From: CAPS - Re: RAPTURE BEFORE SUMMER?
Below is Isaiah chapter 18 in its entirety. What is interesting is that Isaiah 17 mentions the "burden of Damascus" and its destruction. Is. 17:5 gives the context of that happening.

"And IT shall be as WHEN the Harvestman gathers (OR, HAS gathered) the corn (i.e. the Grain). That is, at the conclusion of the Grain Harvest.

The timing clues of chapter 18 are in verse 5, "For BEFORE the (summer) Harvest..." Notice verse 4 mentions the "HEAT of Harvest." This would seem to indicate the time of Summer.

Is it indeed possible that the destruction of Damascus would constitute the "midnight cry" to the Bride?

If chapters 17 & 18 are chronological then the timing seems to be just AFTER the Grain Harvest and just BEFORE the Summer harvest. The "Season" of Pentecost would not be FULFILLED until the Start of Summer.

Young's literal translation of Isaiah 18:6 uses the singular "BEAST" re when the branches are cut down and left "unto the fowls of the mountains and THE BEAST of the earth." Would that not picture the church "branches" that Jesus spoke of that are cast into the Tribulation period and are subject to the Beast ?

Chapter 18 mentions the blowing of a "ram's horn" or "trumpet." The "harvest" of verse 5 is possibly referring to the summer harvest of the summer fruits. Notice carefully that in verse 5 it says "For BEFORE the (summer) harvest...He shall both cut off the sprigs..." Could this be a reference to the Rapture ? Does verse 7, regarding "the present" that shall be brought to the Lord refer to the Ark of the Covenant?

ISAIAH CHAPTER 18
1 How horrible it will be for the land of whirring wings which lies beyond the rivers of Sudan. 2 It sends messengers by sea in boats made of reeds [skimming] over the surface of the water. Go, swift messengers, to a tall and smooth-skinned people, a people [who are] feared far and near, a strong and aggressive nation, whose land is divided by rivers. 3 Look when someone raises a flag on the mountains. Listen when someone blows a RAM'S HORN, all you inhabitants of the world who live on the earth. 4 This is what the LORD says to me: I will keep quiet and watch from my dwelling place. My presence will be like scorching heat in the sunshine, like heavy dew in the heat of the harvest. 5 Before the harvest, when blossoms are gone and grapes are ripening from blossoms, he will cut off the shoots with pruning shears and chop off the spreading branches. 6 They will be left for the birds of prey on the mountains and the wild animals. The birds of prey will feed on them in the summer, and all the wild animals on earth will feed on them in the winter. 7 At that time gifts will be brought to the LORD of Armies from a tall and smooth-skinned people, a people [who are] feared far and near, a strong and aggressive nation, whose land is divided by rivers. They will be brought to Mount Zion, the place where the name of the LORD of Armies is.

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> > Isaiah 17 mentions the "burden of Damascus" and its destruction. Is. 17:5 gives the context of that happening. "And IT shall be as WHEN the Harvestman gathers (OR, HAS gathered) the corn (i.e. the Grain). That is, at the conclusion of the Grain Harvest."

Isa. 17:5 (KJV) says, " it shall be as when the harvestman GATHERETH (present tense) the corn, and REAPETH the ears WITH HIS ARM (i.e., with the "SICKLE" of Rev. 14:17-10); and it shall be as he that GATHERETH ears in the valley of Rephaim (giants)." I think this is the Day of God's Wrath, the 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord. Isa. 17:11-14 says, "the harvest shall be a heap in the day of grief and of desperate sorrow. Woe to the multitude of many people, which make a noise like the noise of the seas; and to the rushing of nations, that make a rushing like the rushing of mighty waters! The nations shall rush like the rushing of many waters (Gog's army attacking): but GOD SHALL REBUKE THEM, and they shall flee far off, and shall be chased as the chaff of the mountains before the wind, and like a rolling thing before the whirlwind. And behold at eveningtide trouble; and before the morning he is not. This is the portion of them that spoil us, and the lot of them that rob us."

> > Is it indeed possible that the destruction of Damascus would constitute the "midnight cry" to the Bride?

I don't think so, because it is at the end of the shortened Tribulation. Gog's army is destroyed by the asteroid impact (Rev. 8:8) and the worldwide earthquake where every wall will fall (Eze. 38:20). Eze. 38:18,19 mentions God's fury coming up in his face and his wrath. Rev. 16:18-21 says, "It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL (including Damascus): and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."

> > If chapters 17 & 18 are chronological then the timing seems to be just AFTER the Grain Harvest and just BEFORE the Summer harvest. The "Season" of Pentecost would not be FULFILLED until the Start of Summer.

Through this section of Isaiah, the time seems to be the Feast of Trumpets that begins the millennial Day of the Lord--except Isa. 18:3-6. Trumpets is in Tishri, in the fall. Isa. 18:5 mentions "afore the harvest, when the bud is perfect, and the sour grape is ripening in the flower, he shall both cut off the sprigs with pruning hooks, and take away and cut down the branches." That sounds like spring.

Song of Sol. 2:11-13 says, "lo, the winter is past, the rain is over and gone; The flowers appear on the earth; the time of the singing of birds is come, and the voice of the turtle is heard in our land; The fig tree putteth forth her green figs, and the vines with the tender grape give a good smell. Arise, my love, my fair one, and come away."

Isa. 18:6 has to be in the spring. It says, "They shall be left together unto the fowls of the mountains, and to the beasts of the earth: and the fowls shall SUMMER upon them, and all the beasts of the earth shall WINTER upon them." I think you have it right, that the beasts of Rev. 13 will winter upon them. Dec. 21, the first day of winter, is 2300 days (Dan. 8:13,14) before the Second Advent, counted by Jewish inclusive reckoning. That is Nisan 1, when Eze. 45:18 says the sanctuary will be cleansed. Also see Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3. He will come as the latter rain on Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal and Sacred Year, Regnal because he is King of kings, Sacred because he is Lord of lords.

The Rapture could happen on, or just before, June 21, the first day of summer. The Tribulation could begin on Dec. 20, the eve of the first day of winter. (There are 2300 days, counted by inclusive reckoning between Dec. 20, 2001 and April 6, 2008.) There would be the gap between the Rapture and the Tribulation that is suggested in Rev. 17:12,14. There would be more time for the UN, or EU, and the Pope to get aligned with the peace treaty confirmation. The treaty is confirmed with "many" (Dan. 9:27). There would be time for the man who will end up being the False Prophet to be put in command too.

> > THE BEAST of the earth." Would that not picture the church "branches" that Jesus spoke of that are cast into the Tribulation period and are subject to the Beast ?

Yes.

> > verse 5 it says "For BEFORE the (summer) harvest...He shall both cut off the sprigs..." Could this be a reference to the Rapture ?

Yes, but because of Rev. 2:10, this pruning could apply to 10 days before the Rapture. Then Rev. 22:11 would make sense. It says of the time when the Rapture is at hand, "He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still." Song of Sol. 2:12 (LXX) says, "The flowers are seen in the land; the TIME OF PRUNING HAS ARRIVED." I think that those pruned off of the vine are the Laodiceans that are spewed out of Christ's mouth (Rev. 3:16).

> > Chapter 18 mentions the blowing of a "ram's horn" or "trumpet."

Isa. 18:3 (KJV) says, "when HE bloweth a trumpet, hear ye." This is the "trump of God" heard at the Rapture. I Thess. 4:16,17 (KJV) says, "the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the TRUMP OF GOD: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."

> > Does verse 7, regarding "the present" that shall be brought to the Lord refer to the Ark of the Covenant?

It sounds more like people to me.

I got the following by e-mail. Thought you might like to see it.

FWD: Orig. from: Fred & Nicole
During World War Two, There was a young Polish person working for a German company whose job was to sell zyclon B gas (cans of crystals) to the German concentration camps throughout Poland, which was used for the elimination of the Jews! The final solution. At the end of the war this person became a Catholic priest to avoid prosecution! Can anyone identify this person? None other than the present Pope John Paul II!... Sincerely in His Service, Fred & Nicole
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Secret Societies/ New World Order
... the early 1940s, the IG Farben Chemical Company employed ... and our ex-cyanide gas salesman assumed the papacy as Pope John Paul II....
www.geocities.com/Area51/Shadowlands/6583/secret065.html

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Re: Interesting about P&C 762
Something caught my attention on P&C 762. About your reckoning of the Redemption of the Bride in the spring, and the start of the Trib/Great Trib in December.

Consider John 15:1-6. John 15:2, two DIFFERENT groups here, one that DOES NOT BEAR FRUIT, nothing, total zero, AND one that is pruned to bear more fruit. John 15:6, does not abide in ME, thrown into the fire. If the reader wants a further study of this, listen to Charles Stanley's broadcast archive at www.intouch.org

Suggestion, John 15:2 group 1, believers who are saved, but with no fruit, zero, nothing. John 15:2 group 2, believers who are saved, much fruit, pruning to bear more fruit. John 15:6, unsaved, not in Christ, burned up and destroyed.

Go back to this second group. John 15:2, the SAVED group, with NO FRUIT, ZERO, NOTHING. The verse reads "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He TAKES AWAY".

Now go to Isaiah 18:5,6"...and TAKE AWAY and cut down branches" SAME reference as to the second group of John 15:2. Isaiah 18:6,"...will SUMMER on them...will WINTER on them".

This analysis would appear to support the hypothesis about the Rapture before summer is near (SOS 2:13), which we can not rule out yet. Those left would be subject to Isaiah 18:5,6, as you wrote on P&C 762 near the end of the posting. God Bless

My reply

Thanks for tying John 15 to Isa. 18. I sure like John 15:7: "If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you." I ask to be accounted worthy to escape and to take my family with me.

I searched for the word "winter." Zech. 14:8 says, "And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in SUMMER and in WINTER shall it be." The Second Advent on Nisan 1 (Eze. 29:17,21; Hos. 6:3) is in the spring. It fits this. Searching for "summer," I found this. Jer. 8:20 says, "The harvest is past, the summer is ended, and we are not saved." The harvest could have preceded the summer. Agape

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Subject: face of Jesus
Thank you for putting the picture of the face of Jesus on the wailing wall in your 760 pro/con. My husband and I were astounded at it! We had been looking at the live cam on the ais....etc. website and did not see it. But today, we saw it and we are so blessed.

I have been reading your words for over a year. My sister-in-law introduced me to your site and your books. There are so many of us out here who have been blessed by your work. And it must be work! We will continue to pray for you and your husband and all those you are influencing. Truly you are His servant. Sincerely

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> > "Day of the Lord". Which is also referred to as the "Time of Jacobís Trouble" (Israelís) and Danielís 70th week.

The Day of the Lord is the Millennium, the first day of which is often referred to as "that day." It is the Day of God's Wrath, the Feast of Trumpets and the Day of Jacob's Trouble. Jer. 30:7 says, "Alas! for THAT DAY is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it." The Day of the Lord can't begin until after Elijah comes. Mal. 4:5 says, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

Isa. 13:6,9 says, "Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty....Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it." Isa. 34:5-8 says, " my sword shall be bathed in heaven: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment. The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea. And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness. For it is the day (probably Tishri 1, 5768/Sept. 13, 2007) of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion."

Jer. 46:10 says, "this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates." Joel 1:15 says, "Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand, and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it come." Joel 2:1 says, "Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand." Joel 2:31 says, "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the LORD come." Joel 3:14 says, "Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the LORD is near in the valley of decision." Amos 5:18 says, "Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end is it for you? the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light."

II Peter 3:10 says, "the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up." These events (asteroid impacts, Rev. 8:8,10) do not start the Tribulation. They end the shortened Great Tribulation. Mt. 24:21,22 says, "then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." Agape

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