Pro and Con 774

Posted 7-7-01

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Check out spaceweather.com. Heart-shaped solar flare today.
http://www.spaceweather.com/

"SOLAR ACTIVITY: A bright coronal mass ejecton billowed away from the Sun yesterday -- in the shape of a heart! The expanding billion-ton cloud left the Sun's east limb and will likely not strike Earth's magnetosphere."

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Thanks bunches. Since the upcoming Rapture is for the Bride, it looks like a signal to her.

Note: When we see signs in the Sun, Moon and Constellations, we are to know that the Rapture is near (Lu. 21:25-28). Keep looking up.

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http://pub16.ezboard.com/frapturereadyfrm19.showMessage?topicID=5592.topic
Thu Jul 5,2001 -- Senior religious leaders from both sides of the Israeli-Palestinian divide have been meeting in a top secret, Oslo-style "back channel" to bring peace to the Middle East, the Guardian can reveal today.

The group of rabbis and imams have met for nearly a decade in Jerusalem and abroad - with the secret backing of a European government.

Their avowed goal, as the region languishes in one of its bleakest periods with a ceasefire barely holding, is to find a way for Israelis and Palestinians to live alongside each other and for Judaism and Islam to co-exist.

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Hitachi Unveils Tiny 'Money Chip'
http://www.newsfactor.com/perl/story/11760.html
By Tim McDonald - NewsFactor Network 7-5-01
Hitachi (NYSE: HIT) this week unveiled a tiny Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) chip so small that it can be embedded in money or other documents.

The chip is roughly half the size of its predecessors, only 0.4 millimeters square, with a thickness of 60 microns (a micron is one millionth of a meter). That makes it only slightly larger than a grain of sand. The tiny integrated circuit has 128 bits of read-only memory (ROM) and stores information such as identification and security codes.

Hitachi is forming a subsidiary company, Meu Solutions, to market the chip, and said it expects sales of US$145 million by 2005....

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Re: Tishra 1 rapture
about the Tishra 1 commentary,I agree,before Pentecost perhaps doubtful,but it sounds just like our Lord,that we should go an extra mile,and carry the load an extra mile also(servanthood of love) ,so that none may perish.Even to the last moment for the last soul ,before the trump is sounded,rather than the appointed time.He loves that last person as much as the first,and all of those in between.It's just another indication of His great and magnificent agape love for us.And you are still carrying that load the extra mile,and so lovingly.You inspire those like myself that(and I say ashamedly)were near anger,at not going home on time> I was reminded of three little boys waitng on the front steps for thier divorced father to come pick them up .How they cried and later ,after midnight,finally retreated ,at the non-arrival of thier father,thier tears dried and anger set in.

We must not take the same attitude at our Father in heaven. Just to know there is a greater purpose in His reason.And you dear sister, keep us, who are still sitting on the front stairs,so aware and lifted and show us how to keep our oil lamps filled,for at midnight when we fall asleep,it gets dark. we love you,In Him --- and --- agape

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Thanks for your gracious words. I can't get the least bit angry, because I know that the Lord has it all figured out, nevermind that I don't completely understand it all. I do my best, but that is a drop in the bucket of what the Lord knows about coming events in Heaven and on Earth. His ways are perfect, and I want every little thing to go his way, no matter what. I wouldn't change the slightest thing, even if I could. I trust Him implicitly. I don't have to know or see where I am going. I just need to follow my shepherd's leading like the sheep that I am. He will get me where I am going his way, the best way. That way may be rocky, but it is still the best way somehow. I'll follow now and understand later. In Him. Agape

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Thank you for your explanation of the pre-wrath rapture. However, I am confused by Isaiah 26:19 which states-- "Thy dead men shall live, together with MY DEAD BODY (emphasis mine) shall they arise." Is Isaiah not referring to himself? If so, would he not have gone in the pre-trib rapture as opposed to the pre-wrath one? Agape

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Isaiah is not referring to himself. All Scripture is God breathed. The LORD is speaking through Isaiah. We aren't told who was raised in 30 AD, but if Isaiah was not raised then, he will be in the Pre-Trib Rapture.

The KJV is not the best translation of Isa. 26:19. We need to eliminate the words in italics that were supplied by the translators. The words "men" and "together with" are not there in the original. Also, the word translated "body" is plural. Compare the KJV with the ASV.

(KJV) "Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead."

(ASV) "Thy dead shall live; my dead bodies shall arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in the dust; for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast forth the dead."

The next 2 verses help us understand Isa. 26:19.

(ASV) "Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers (hadar, wedding chambers), and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, Jehovah (lit., YHVH) cometh forth out of HIS PLACE (Heaven) to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain."

This "Come" is the 2nd Rapture. It is the last rank in the First Resurrection and takes place on the Day of God's Wrath, but before the asteroids impact Earth at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). Agape

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Re: First-Fruits of his harvest
Hi sweet Marilyn, praying for you and the extended family daily. I found an interesting translation of a verse that doesn't seem to be quoted much by the prophecy buffs. Thought you might be interested and comment on it. It follows the often discussed 2Th. 2:1-12 verses. "But as for us, we have to give thanks to God at all times, brethren beloved of God, because God chose you as the first-fruits of his harvest, that you might be saved through the holiness which the Spirit gives and through faith in the truth; to this God called you through our good news, that you may make the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ your own." 2Th. 2:13-14. This is from "The New Testament by Charles Kingsley Williams, A New Translation in Plain English. 1952 London.

I found similar wording in the Amplified and one other translation, but can't remember which. What about the "first-fruits of his harvest" part? Most translations seem to say, "the first to be saved," etc. In His never-ending Love

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Your prayers in our behalf are sure appreciated.

Thanks for sending this verse. I can't remember seeing that translation. Some of the oldest manuscripts read as the KJV, but others among the oldest manuscripts and the Vulgate read, "as first-fruits." The New Scofield Reference Bible still reads as the KJV in this case. Here is v. 13 in the KJV and a couple other versions that have "first fruits."
2Th 2:13 (KJV): "But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the BEGINNING (arche) chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth."

(ISV): "At all times we are obligated to thank God for you, brothers who are loved by the Lord, because God chose you to be the FIRST FRUITS for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and through faith in the truth."

(NAB): "But we ought to give thanks to God for you always, brothers loved by the Lord, because God chose you as the FIRSTFRUITS for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in truth."

II Thess. 2:13,14 (Complete Jewish Bible): "But we have to keep thanking God for you always, brothers whom the Lord loves, because GOD CHOSE YOU AS FIRSTFRUITS for deliverance by giving you the holiness that has its origin in the Spirit and the faithfulness that has its origin in the truth. He called you to this through our Good News, so that you could have the glory of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah."

The Lord has from the BEGINNING chosen believers as a kind of firstfruits. James 1:8 says, "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a KIND OF FIRSTFRUITS of his creatures." Therefore, either way we take it, the statement is true.

> > What about the "first-fruits of his harvest" part?

I don't know if "of his harvest" was in the original or not. It might be assumed, because firstfruits relates to the harvest in the OT discussions of Pentecost. See Lev. 23:17, 22. In Ex. 23:16 says, "THE FEAST OF HARVEST, THE FIRSTFRUITS OF THY LABOURS, which thou hast sown in the field (the field is the world)."

In looking through other translations, I ran across an interesting one I had marked before. I Thess. 4:13f (Phillips) says of the 1st Rapture, the FIRST "trump of God," "ONE WORD of command, ONE SHOUT from the archangel, ONE BLAST FROM THE TRUMPET OF GOD, and the Lord himself will come down from Heaven!" Agape

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Re: DEBKAfile, Political Analysis, Espionage, Terrorism Security
BLOCKBUSTER developments in the Middle East! Perfect for suitcase bombs now. Saddam will make it look as if Israel is attacking Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq (in which two small suitcase bombs in north and west Iraq --where his military has crept stealthily --God prevents from going off), Iran, Qatar, and Yemen. (Jeremiah 43:10 to Jeremiah 51:64). The Rapture will be concomitant to God's allowing Saddam to sweep the land clean with His "besom of destruction." (Isaiah 14:23) and Isaiah 10:5-7: 7 is where Saddam doesn't mean to wipe out EVERYBODY, he just means to blame Israel for SMALL nuclear attacks on his Islamic neighbors. Or it could still be postponed again, even though it looks SO perfect for the scenario. "One of your feast days will take you away with it" (Mal 2:3) could be written to Islam. (See verse 5).
http://www.debka.com/

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How "SMALL" can a nuclear explosion be? If 6 nuclear bombs went off simultaneously in Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iran, Qatar, and Yemen, I don't think Iraq could be sure they were safe from nuclear fallout. Don't you think the prevailing winds would carry fallout from Egypt, Jordan and Syria's mushroom clouds right over Iraq?

The "besom of destruction" is the Sword of the Lord, not of Saddam. Isa. 14:22-24 says, "I will rise up against them, saith the LORD of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the LORD. I will also make it a possession for the bittern, and pools of water: and I WILL SWEEP IT WITH THE BESOM (broom) OF DESTRUCTION, SAITH THE LORD OF HOSTS (Christ, Isa. 44:6). The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand."

Isa. 34:6 says, "The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea."

> > "One of your feast days will take you away with it" (Mal 2:3) could be written to Islam.

The feasts were given to the Jews, not to Islam. Agape

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Re: Holy Spirit as a "hinderer"
I continue to monitor and enjoy your P & C's. Keep up the diligent effort! Now my question: For the past 50 years, I have heard many preachers/Bible scholars refer to 2 Thess. 2:6-7 to teach that the Holy Spirit is the "restrainer" that will one day be taken away or removed from the world. However, 2 points: 1) If the work of "restrainer" is one of the works of the Holy Spirit, why then is this not so presented and taught by the Theologians as one of His ministries, as is His work as our Comforter, our Teacher, and His work of convicting the world of sin, righteousness and judgement. These, and others are studied and written about in great detail, but not one word about His work as "restainer." And 2), A self-imposed rule of mine is to not accept as a fundamental doctrine an idea that that is not clearly set forth in Scripture, then backed up by other Scripture. Yet we have take a rather vague passage and from it propound a doctrine of the Holy Spirit as a "restrainer", and to my knowledge, there is not another passage in the Bible that presents Him in this capacity. I value your thoughts on this subject

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Glad you enjoy the P & Cs. I will give you my opinion and some scriptures so you can see why I believe as I do on this. We must accept what Scripture says, even when we do not fully understand it. Here is 2 Thess. 2:1-9 (Webster): "Now, brothers (brethren, believers), concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and OUR GATHERING TOGETHER (episunagoge, a complete collection, esp. a Christian assembling together, i.e., at the Rapture, Heb. 12:23) TO HIM (Christ), we ask you not to be quickly shaken in your mind, nor yet be troubled, either by spirit, or by word, or by letter as from us, saying that the day of Christ (almost all major MSS have 'day of the Lord," i.e., the millennial Day of the Lord) had come. Let no one deceive you in any way. For it (the Millennium) will not be, unless THE DEPARTURE (the Pre-Trib Rapture) COMES FIRST, and the man of sin is revealed (second), the son of destruction, he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God. Don't you remember that, when I was still with you, I told you these things? Now you know what is restraining him, to the end that he may be revealed in his own season (the Tribulation). For the mystery of lawlessness already works. Only THERE IS ONE WHO RESTRAINS NOW, UNTIL HE IS TAKEN (ginomai, arise, be taken, i.e., taken up) OUT OF THE WAY. Then (tote, at the same time) the lawless one (Satan-possessed False Prophet) will be revealed, whom the Lord will kill with the breath of his mouth, and bring to nothing by the brightness of his coming; even he whose coming is according to the working of Satan with all power (Satan's) and signs and lying wonders" (Rev. 13:11-18).

Christ is God. II Cor. 5:19 (KJV) says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." All the powers of the Godhead are in him. Col 2:9 says, "in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily."

The Spirit of God is the Spirit of Christ. Rom. 8:9 says, "ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the SPIRIT OF GOD dwell in you. Now if any man have not the SPIRIT OF CHRIST, he is none of his." The Spirit of Christ is in believers, but as Eph 4:7 says, "unto every one of us is given grace according to THE MEASURE OF THE GIFT OF CHRIST."

In this conflict, the main players are Christ, who is God, and Satan, who is an angel. The wicked one is the False Prophet, the man "whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power (Satan's) and signs and lying wonders" (II Thess. 2:9, KJV). Satan will be in the False Prophet. Christ is in believers.

Who is the "ONE WHO RESTRAINS NOW, UNTIL HE IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY"? Although we are the salt of the earth and salt retards the growth of leaven, on our own, we would be powerless to do this job. We are the Bride of Christ and salt because the Spirit of Christ is in us. He said that he would never leave us. We do retard the growth of evil, but this "HE" seems to be the Spirit of Christ that dwells in us. He will work all things together so that every prophecy comes true. He is the one with supreme power. He is "the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8), the "redeemer the LORD of hosts" (Isa. 44:6) "the first and the last" (Rev. 1:17), "the mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isa. 9:6). In John 14:16-18, Jesus said, "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." I will not leave you comfortless: I WILL COME TO YOU." Agape

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Here is a page about Rosh HaShanah I read because my daughter and son-in-law gave me a Shofar for my birthday yesterday. I wanted to study the different ways the shofar was blown and thought this article was a good place to start. While reading it I realized that the view of Mat:24:36 of the writer was different than any I had read before. He liken the fact that the Jews didn't know the exact time of new moon to the part of the verse that no man knoweth. This might explain why in the original text it was past and present, but not a future text for the word. We now can determine what the time is of a new moon.

Please forgive me for sending such a long page, but I don't know how to split it up. Thank you again and again for your work. I have been greatly blessed by being able to read the Pro/Con's.

Here's the page, Agape
http://www.ldolphin.org/rosh.html

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Thanks for sending the articles. My comments are below with excerpts from the articles.

Re: Rosh HaShanah - http://philologos.org/bpr
> > While reading it I realized that the view of Mat:24:36 of the writer was different than any I had read before. He liken the fact that the Jews didn't know the exact time of new moon to the part of the verse that no man knoweth.

> > This feast is celebrated over two days because of the difficulty in olden times of making sure that everyone marked the new moon on the same day. To make sure nobody missed it, two days were appointed.

> > Tradition states that this is the birth day of Adam (could the second Adam, Jesus, have been born on the same day?).

I think Jesus was born between 6 PM and midnight on Tishri 1 and that Adam was created on Fri., Elul 29, just before God rested on Tishri 1. That would make the anniversaries of the 2 events close together.

> > The gates of heaven are supposedly opened on this day. The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah according to the Talmud, (Rosh HaShanah 166).

I agree. The Pre-Wrath Rapture should take place on this day in 2007. I am wondering if the Pre-Trib Rapture could take place on Trumpets too. Rosh HaShanah means head of the year, and the Feast of Trumpets is the first day of the Jewish Civil Year, the NYD.

> > Yom Teruah can be interpreted to mean "The Day of the Awakening Shout."

I expect Tishri 1, 5768 (Sept. 13, 2007) to be the day the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. Since the Pre-Wrath Rapture is also on the Day of God's Wrath, I think it will not only be the Day of the Awakening Shout, but the Day of the Awakening Blast.

> > One of the symbolic references to this day corresponds with the fact that when a King begins to reign he is heralded with trumpets. On this day, trumpets are blown all day long (some commentators say 100 times).

I think Christ will be crowned (as King of kings and Lord of lords) with his golden crown by his mother in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets, which is also the day of the Marriage of the Lamb. Solomon is a type of Christ in Song of Solomen because both are sons of David with great wisdom. Song 2:11 (LITV) says, "Go forth, O daughters of Zion, and see King Solomon with the crown with which his mother crowned him on his wedding day, even on the day of the gladness of his heart."

> > The gates of heaven are supposedly opened on this day.

> > The resurrection of the dead will take place on Rosh HaShanah according to the Talmud, (Rosh HaShanah 166).

> > Yom Teruah can be interpreted to mean "The Day of the Awakening Shout."

> > ...the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air... (1 Thes 4:15-18)]

I had thought that the 1st trump (1st Rapture) was on Pentecost and the 2nd trump (2nd Rapture) was on the Feast of Trumpets. Now, I am looking into the possibility that both Raptures might be on a Feast of Trumpets.

> > There are three trumpets that have a name: the first trump, the last trump and the great trump. Each has a specific day in the year: first trump is associated with Pentecost, last trump is associated with Rosh HaShanah and the great trump is associated with Yom Kippur.

> > [In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (1 Cor 15:52)]

I Cor. 15:51,52 is talking about the 2nd Rapture.

> > This is the only day in the whole year that was referred to as the hidden day or the day that no man knows.

> > [But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. (Matt 24:36)]

Where does Scripture say that the Feast of Trumpets is the hidden day? I have read the Bible over and over without finding it. Unless Scripture says this, I am not ready to accept Trumpets as "the day that no man knows." I can't blindly accept Jewish tradition. They keep Passover on Nisan 15 instead of Nisan 14 (Lev. 23:5). The word "knoweth" in Mt. 24:36 is present tense. In 30 AD, no man knew when the 1st door would open at the 1st Rapture, when the 2nd door would open at the 2nd Rapture, or when "Heaven and earth shall pass away." Only after the Sign of the End of the Age (Six-Day War of 1967) happened would we be able to figure when "all these things" of Mt. 24 would be fulfilled.

> > Tradition states that on Rosh HaShanah "God opens the heavenly books and judges the people according to their works, writing in them who will die and what kind of life the living will enjoy during the coming year. The Ten Days of Penitence (Rosh HaShanah through Yom Kippur) are thought of as offering an opportunity for repentance that will influence God to change these fates for the better. But on Yom Kippur these fates are fixed or 'sealed.'"

> > [And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (Rev 20:12)]

I expect the Judgment Seat of Christ will take place in Heaven on the Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007. Rev. 11:15,18 says, "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever....And the nations were angry (Gog's army is attacking Israel, Eze. 38), and thy wrath is come (1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord), and the time of the dead, that they should be judged (at the Judgment Seat of Christ), and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

> > Another article: Shana Tova u'Mevurechet (a Happy & Blessed New Year) from Jerusalem - by Uri Marcus (isralyte@netvision.net.il) Web Site: http://www.ntcf.org

> > The Jewish customs, traditions and prayers which surround Rosh HaShana are embedded with three great themes, all of which involve Israel:
> > 1. Kingship 2. Marriage 3. Ressurection

> > The King of Israel is the Mashiach. The marriage is between the G-d of Israel and His people. What is resurrected is the life of the nation, restored to its rightful geographical place, along with its honor, as the Prophets foretold.

I believe that the Feast of Trumpets will be when Y'shua/Christ the Messiah will be crowned as King of kings and Lord of lords in Heaven. The Pre-Wrath Rapture, which involves resurrection, and the Marriage of the Lamb will be that day. Israel will be saved in a day on that 1st day of the millennial Day of the Lord, but there are 7 months yet (Eze. 39:12,13) to the Second Advent on the following Nisan 1 (Hos. 6:3; Eze. 29:17,21). Only after his return is Jerusalem and all Israel restored to its rightful heritage promised by the Lord.

< < As part of the Creation, HaShem wanted there to be a tangible symbol of His Kingship. From this symbol we would be able to catch the smallest glimpse, the most distant echo of the Glory of Heaven, its awesomeness and its majesty. For this reason He created kings.

I Sam. 10:19 says, "ye have this day rejected your God, who himself saved you out of all your adversities and your tribulations; and ye have said unto him, Nay, but set a king over us." To me, God was displeased with Israel for asking for a human king, when the LORD was their king.

> > Man's creation was unique among all beings created before him. He was the first being with free choice. Only he could decide his fate. Only he could choose between good and evil. Only he could rise above his nature.

The angels must have had free choice. If they didn't choose to disobey God, why would the wicked angels be punished? Agape

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Re: Virtual Jerusalem --- The Three Weeks of Mourning
Wow, check this out! What great symbolism for the Rapture! Joel 1:14 and 2:15.
http://207.168.91.4/vjholidays//3weeks/17tamuz.htm

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> > In Jewish tradition, the 17th of the Jewish month of Tammuz is a fast day which commemorates the breaching of the walls of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar (586 BCE) and Titus (70 CE).

The article also says that Moses broke the 2 stone tablets on Tamuz 17. No wonder it is a sad day for the Israelites.

I don't see much going for Tammuz 17 to be a Pre-Trib Rapture day. Joel 1:13-15 says, "Gird yourselves, and lament, ye priests: howl, ye ministers of the altar: come, lie all night in sackcloth, ye ministers of my God: for the meat offering and the drink offering is withholden from the house of your God (then it is the Great Tribulation). Sanctify ye a fast (the only one of the 7 feasts that is a fast is the Day of Atonement), call a solemn assembly (for the upcoming Feast of Trumpets), gather the elders and all the inhabitants of the land into the house of the LORD your God, and cry unto the LORD, Alas for the day! for the day of the LORD is at hand (it is nearing 6 PM on the Eve of Trumpets), and as a destruction from the Almighty shall it (the Feast of Trumpets) come."

Rev. 6:15-17 says, "And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: For THE GREAT DAY OF HIS WRATH IS COME; and who shall be able to stand?"

Joel 2:15-18 says, "Blow the trumpet in Zion (it is the Feast of Trumpets), sanctify a fast (the Days of Awe that end with the fast of the Day of Atonement are starting), call a solemn assembly (atsarah, assembly, esp. on a festival): Gather (acaph, gather up, take away again, i.e., Rapture 2) the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders (already in Heaven), gather the children (from the Earth), and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom (Christ) go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet (chuppah, canopy, chamber; in Heaven). Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God? Then will the LORD be jealous for his land, and pity his people." That is when the Sword of the Lord, the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth. Agape

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