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Posted 7-13-01

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Norton antivirus terminated the Virus "W32/Magistr.24876@mm" I'm so glad you found it Marilyn. Thanks also for mentioning it in your P/C 776.

(----- is a good friend of both of us and she was one of the 30 some on our e-m list.) Only a few got messages from our current e-m list. But lots of strange stuff went out and some replied with "what's this? I coudn't open it." I have no knowlege of anyone getting this virus from any of the mailouts it made. Praise God I had laid hands on the PC as ----- suggested and prayed that Norton would bottle it up.

I also DL Earthlink 5.05 and I am amazed at how much better my browser is working. I also downloaded the Voice in the Wilderness NT interpretation to my Online Bible and can't wait to try out his revisions of the LitV and the NKJV. He apparently worked with Green on the Greek Interlinear text and found quite a few errors or better ways to carry the Greek over into English.

Marilyn thank you for alerting me and for your precautionary work on those EXE files. Several of them went out from my PC with xxxEXE that were not even in my P/C.

You are an Angel interpreting upcoming events with a great sense of mission and love for your fellow man. I cannot think of a better way to witness than to show the Spirit of Jesus in prophecy which will all come true as have all in the past. Agape

My reply

Thank you Lord that they were able to get rid of the virus quickly.

I can't understand how some people think, why they would want to damage someone else's equipment, programs or data. It just doesn't make sense in my head.

Your kind words are much appreciated. Agape

In the News

Anan: The U.N. Is The Only Hope
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=6248&PHPSESSID=2c968ed4c673eed974285639038f8703
Despite the recent revelations casting UN neutrality and trustworthiness in doubt, United Nations Secretary-General Kofi Anan stated last night the "need for the establishment of an international peacekeeping force" to implement the recommendations of the Mitchell Committee. He said that without such an arrangement, it would not happen.
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Mideast Violence Continues
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/july2001/markr713-4.htm 7-12-01 - ...Twenty Palestinians, including a suicide bomber, and 10 Israelis have been killed since the sides accepted the truce....

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This is why God has to "sweep the land" with His "besom of destruction." (Is 14:23)
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/article.php3?id=323&PHPSESSID=6c17a266ce2d0eb5cb1a21760272a4a0
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Too Late for a Peaceable Solution, by Boris Shusteff 7-12-01

For the Arabs the Jews were the dhimmi people. In the master-slave relationship that they were used to, the dhimmis were not supposed to become the masters. The Jews on their part were unable to understand that even their very small "victory" - another dunam of land that was sold to them by the Arabs as a wasteland and transformed into a garden, was another mortal blow for the Arabs. The children of Islam felt that through these victories the Jews emphasized the Arab inferiority. The Arab world was stagnating for many centuries and it was unacceptable for the Arabs that the Jews were the ones to bring them "progress." They did not need this progress and they did not need the Jews.

The Arab hostility towards the Jews...was always present and simply started to grow from the day that the Arabs realized that the Jewish state is inevitable....The Jews come to Israel without the Arab consent.

Azzam explained that the Arabs would never accept the Jews. He said: "[For the Arabs] you are not a fact at all - you are a temporary phenomenon....

In an interview on December 13, 1981 with the al-Rai al Amm (Kuwait) Hafez Assad said, We view the matter from the perspective of the future of the nation and not that of the next few hours, months or years… Let us go back to the crusader invasion. Although they fought us for 200 years, we did not surrender or capitulate. They too [like Israel] were a big power and scored victories, while we had been defeated. After 200 years, however, we triumphed. Why are we now expected either to score a decisive victory in approximately thirty years or completely surrender?"...

Faysal al-Husseini continued the theme. In the last interview before his death on June 24, 2001 he told the Egyptian "Al- Arabi, "We distinguish the strategic, long-term goals from the political phased goals, which we are compelled to temporarily accept due to international pressure. If you are asking me …what are the Palestinian borders according to the higher strategy, I will immediately reply: 'from the river to the sea.'...

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If saturn is indeed Our Lords home, then there are at least 24 thrones for the elders and the disciples. I found it awesome that we now have 30 known moons. Is thirty a biblically important number? Maybe only 24 are large enough to be considered thrones. Neat article. Agape
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Moon-count rises on Saturn, by Gladman et al
http://physicsweb.org/

[11 Jul 2001] Twelve newly discovered moons have brought Saturn's satellite tally to thirty. An international collaboration of astronomers led by Brett Gladman at the Observatoire de la Côte d'Azur in France used a highly sensitive imaging technique to detect the faint moons, which have very irregular orbits (B Gladman et al 2001 Nature 412 163).

Gladman's team inspected the entire stable portion of space around Saturn in which satellites are able to orbit. This is known as the Hill sphere, and is the region around any planet where its own gravitational forces outweigh the Sun's tidal forces. The powerful optics based on charge-coupled devices could detect very faint objects of just 23rd magnitude - over a hundred million times dimmer than a bright star. Gladman and co-workers are confident that they have detected all the moons orbiting Saturn that are greater than about four kilometres in diameter....

Saturn's new moons were tracked for six months during 2000 and 2001 from several ground-based observatories, including the European Southern Observatory telescope and the Canada-France-Hawaii telescope.

My reply

Thanks for sending me this article. The number 30 is when a priest first began to perform his priestly duties. Nu. 4:3 says, "From thirty years old and upward even until fifty years old, all that enter into the host, to do the work in the tabernacle of the congregation." From the number of times this is stated, it must be important. Christ was about 30 when he was baptized. His ministry started then. Lu. 3:23 says, "Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age."

Thirty is also the time for mourning the dead. Nu. 20:29 says, "when all the congregation saw that Aaron was dead, they mourned for Aaron thirty days, even all the house of Israel." De. 34:8 says, "the children of Israel wept for Moses in the plains of Moab thirty days: so the days of weeping and mourning for Moses were ended." I think this is why 30 days are added in Dan. 12:11 (1260 + 30 = 1290). The Judgment of the Nations seems to be on the 1260th day. The "goats" are cast into everlasting fire (Mt. 25:41).

Here are other scriptures mentioning "thirty." Esth. 4:11 says, "I have not been called to come in unto the king these thirty days." Jer. 38:10 says, "the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Take from hence thirty men with thee, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he die." Zech. 11:12 says, "the king commanded Ebedmelech the Ethiopian, saying, Take from hence thirty men with thee, and take up Jeremiah the prophet out of the dungeon, before he die." Zech. 11:13 says, " the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD."

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Twelve More Moons Found Orbiting Saturn
http://www.sightings.com/general11/prbit.htm
(AFP) - An international team of astronomers report today that they have spotted 12 more moons orbiting Saturn, putting the ringed giant back ahead of Jupiter as the planet with the most satellites. The moonlets range from 32 kilometres to just 6 kms in diameter, they report in the British weekly Nature.

That brings the unofficial count of Saturnian moons to 30, two more than the tally of Jupiter, the biggest planet of our Solar System. The other behemoths, Uranus and Neptune, have 21 and eight respectively....

Gladman's team say they were surprised to find that the 12 newly identified moons fall into four "clusters," with three groups of satellites close to each other, and a single one by itself....

Publication of the research follows an announcement by the same team last October that it had found an initial batch of four satellites in August and September.

Eight more were then found until mid-February, just before Saturn moved behind the Sun, temporarily disappearing from Earth-bound eyes.

My reply

Thanks for all the articles you send me. You seem to know just what I am interested in.

How about 30 moons? I said that I wouldn't be surprised if they found 24, but I didn't expect 30.

The same team does not expect to find any more....Agape

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Re: Haaretz Daily Newspaper - English Internet Edition (2)

God brought Israel (Samson) into the land just to destroy Islam out of it: Jeremiah 51:18-25:-- (God is speaking of Islam:) "...(Islam is) vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation, they shall perish. (19) The portion of Jacob is not like them; for he is the former of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD of hosts is his name. (20) Thou (Israel) art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee (with Samson) will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms..." {and after all those nations are wiped out except one, Iraq, God turns to Iraq): (25)And I will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all the evil that they have done in Zion in your (Israel's) sight, saith the LORD." (Then to prove this is a future prophecy, not as past): (25) Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain, saith the Lord, WHICH DESTROYETH ALL THE LAND ("eretz, "or "land or earth", in this case it is just the "land" that God gave to Israel, occupied now by Islam--which Saddam unintentionally destroys with his suitcase bombs)) AND I WILL STRETCH OUT MINE HAND UPON THEE, AND ROLL THEE DOWN FROM THE ROCKS, AND WILL MAKE THEE A BURNT MOUNTAIN. (AND THEY SHALL NOT TAKE OF THEE A STONE FOR A CORNER, NOR A STONE FOR FOUNDATIONS; BUT THOU SHALT BE DESOLATE FOR EVER, SAITH THE LORD." Saddam does not use a meteor or asteroid to destroy the land and be blamed by God for that. No, God places His maighty sword into Saddam's hands. (Isaiah 10:5) The suitcase bombs are magnified 7 times by God: "(Isaiah 30:25-33) Israel goes down like a lamb to the slaughter, but like Christ, emerges three days later: "Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up. AFTER TWO DAYS HE WILL REVIVE US; IN THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RAISE US UP, AND WE SHALL LIVE IN HIS SIGHT. THEN WE SHALL KNOW, IF WE FOLLOW ON TO KNOW THE LORD: HIS GOING FORTH IS PREPARED AS THE MORNING; AND HE SHALL COME UNTO US..." (Hosea 6:1-11) The terrorists don't come back (Ezekiel 32, ALL TERRORISTS are in hell, where they stay. It is only Israel that comes back after three days.) It is God, Himself that places the nuclear sword into Saddam's hand to wipe out the whole land (Isaiah 10;5). Saddams does not mean to wipe out the whole land (Isaiah 10:7)--BUT HE DOES! This is not the time of the asteroid or meteor. This is 6.4 years before and is PERSONAL:! When Muslims look upon Saddam Hussein as he descends into hell, the people that are already there say about him, "Is this the MAN THAT MADE THE EARTH TO TREMBLE, THAT DID SHAKE KINGDOMS, THAT MADE THE WORLD ("fruit-bearing or habitable earth, "tebel"] AS A WILDERNESS....All the kings of the nations, even all of them lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abminable branch (Saddam calls himself "the branch"), and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shall not be joined with them in burial, BECAUSE THOU HAS DESTROED THY LAND, AND SLAIN THY PEOPLE: THE SEED OF EVILDOERS SHALL NEVER BE RENOWNED..." (Isaiah 14:15-22, where it also sounds as if Saddam was possessed by Satan to do what he did, ie., "destroy" all of Israel, and send all of Islam in God's land. to hell)

So, it looks to me like the typology of Samson and Delilah and the "haircutter from beyond the river "[Euphrates-- Saddam] is still a growing possibility (Isaiah 7:20) One thing, I am afraid of though, is that it might take clear to the next Hajj, because God talks about all the "widows" that are left in the rest of the world (from all the men killed in that huge 'winepress' or 'wheel' in Mecca next spring. (Psalm 83:13, KJV only)

Again, like Samson, Philistines like the Iraqis are destroyed after they send him to the prison world. They didn't (and still do not) realize that it was the power of God that "leaned against the pillars of the House of Dagon" and brought the whole House or Temple crashing down. In a sense, they did it to themselves by wishing to humiliate Samson. Saddam will bring down the whole house of Islam and its pillars (such as the Hajj) trying to humiliate Israel and will instead bring destruction upon himself and all of Islam in the land and eventually in the rest of the world, since all their holy sites (esp. Mecca) are destroyed.

http://www2.haaretz.co.il/breaking-news/MiddleEastNews/368919.stm
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Ha-aretz breaking news 7-11-01
Saddam says Arabs may take up arms for Palestine
Reuters - BAGHDAD - Iraqi President Saddam Hussein said Wednesday that Arabs would take up arms against Israel if they were left with no other way of liberating Palestine, the official news agency INA said.

My reply

> > Jeremiah 51:18-25:-- (God is speaking of Islam:)"... (Islam is) vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation, they shall perish.

When we read v. 17 with 18, we find that "his MOLTEN IMAGE is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They (MOLTEN IMAGES) are vanity."

> > (20) Thou (Israel) art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee (with Samson) will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms..."

Let's look at it again and see if a different take on this is possible.

Jer 51:17-25 says, "Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them. They are vanity, the work of errors: in the time of their visitation (pquddah, reckoning) they shall perish. The PORTION of Jacob is not like them; for he (the LORD, Jacob's 'portion') is the former (yatsar, to mould into a form, as a potter) of all things: and Israel is the rod of his inheritance: the LORD OF HOSTS IS HIS NAME (Christ, Isa. 44:6). Thou (THE LORD OF HOSTS, i.e., Christ) art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee (or in thee, or by thee) will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee (IN THEE) will I destroy kingdoms;

Heb. 1:1,2 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, IN) HIS SON, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, BY WHOM ALSO HE MADE THE WORLDS." II Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."

Continuing, Jer 51:21 says, "And with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces the horse (the pale one) and his rider (the False Prophet); and with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces the chariot (rekeb, UPPER MILLSTONE, see Rev. 18:21) and his rider (i.e., Satan); With thee (IN THEE) also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces the young man and the maid; I will also break in pieces with thee (IN THEE) the shepherd and his flock; and with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee (IN THEE) will I break in pieces captains and rulers. And I (the LORD) will render unto Babylon and to all the inhabitants of Chaldea all their evil that they have done in Zion in your sight, SAITH THE LORD. Behold, I am against thee, O destroying mountain (Satan's asteroid), saith THE LORD, which destroyest ALL the earth: and I WILL STRETCH OUT MINE HAND (i.e., Christ, Isa. 40:10; 53:1) UPON THEE, AND ROLL THEE DOWN FROM THE ROCKS (cela, to be lofty, ragged rocks, i.e., asteroids), and will make thee a burnt (8316, sraphah) mountain."

This last verse tells us a lot more than is at first apparent. Sraphah, 8316, "burnt," is from 8313, saraph, to be set on fire, burning. Seraphim is 8314, saraph, also from 8313. Satan's planet Rahab was split apart and the rocks formed our Asteroid Belt. That planet seems to have once been classed as a Seraphim along with Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto, the four Seraphim of Isa. 6:1-5 and Rev. 56-8.

Since pieces of the planet Rahab are to impact Earth in the Day of God's Wrath, it is significant that the fiery serpent that plagued Israel in the wilderness is 8314, saraph, or plural, saraphim. Moses was to put a fiery serpent on a pole, and the people were to look up at it. That demonstrated that the reality it stood for was up in the sky.

The word translated "serpent" in Num 21:8 is saraph, 8314: "the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole." The fiery serpent was made of brass, because brass is the symbol of a curse. This asteroid is the curse that goeth forth over the face of all the Earth in Zech. 5.3. It is the "burnt mountain" of Jer. 51:25 too.

> > God places His maighty sword into Saddam's hands. (Isaiah 10:5)

The LORD, not Israel or Saddam, will "make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant (Jer. 51:29). Jer. 51:11 says, "the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device (the asteroid) is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple."

I think all nations will attack Israel, including Iraq, on the Day of God's Wrath, but that is not the Sword of the LORD. It is what causes the Sword of the LORD to fall and destroy Babylon. Isa. 10:5,6 says, "O Assyrian, the rod of mine anger, and the staff in their hand is mine indignation. I will send him against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets."

To take a spoil or prey ties this in with Eze. 38. Gog's army will attack Israel "to take a spoil, and to take a prey" (Eze. 38:12). Zech. 14:2,3 says, "I will gather ALL NATIONS against Jerusalem to battle...THEN SHALL THE LORD GO FORTH, AND FIGHT AGAINST THOSE NATIONS." At a certain point, the LORD will fight with the Sword of the LORD, the asteroid. He doesn't put the asteroid in Saddam's hands. The asteroid will strike to STOP GOG'S ARMY.

> > AFTER TWO DAYS HE WILL REVIVE US; IN THE THIRD DAY HE WILL RAISE US UP, AND WE SHALL LIVE IN HIS SIGHT. THEN WE SHALL KNOW, IF WE FOLLOW ON TO KNOW THE LORD: HIS GOING FORTH IS PREPARED AS THE MORNING; AND HE SHALL COME UNTO US..." > > (Hosea 6:1-11) The terrorists don't come back (Ezekiel 32, ALL TERRORISTS are in hell, where they stay. It is only Israel that comes back after three days.)

In Hosea 6:2, I think the "two days" are two 1000-year days. In the third 1000-year day since their captivity, God did raise up Israel in 1948. This has already been fulfilled.

> > It is God, Himself that places the nuclear sword into Saddam's hand to wipe out the whole land

I don't expect a nuclear blast in Israel at all. Why would Gog's united-nation army pour into Israel in unprecedented numbers if there was a nuclear blast there?

Here is what I expect. The mountain sized piece of the asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will impact the Mediterranean Sea at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5). Eze. 38:20 describes the results of the impact. It says, "the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence (paneh, face, i.e., the Sign of the Son of Man, Mt. 24:30), and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and EVERY WALL SHALL FALL to the ground." Does that sound like a nuclear hit to you? The walls will be on the ground, shaken down. It doesn't sound like ground zero in a nuclear hit.

> > Saddams does not mean to wipe out the whole land (Isaiah 10:7)--BUT HE DOES! This is not the time of the asteroid or meteor. This is 6.4 years before

I think the asteroid impact will be on the Feast of Trumpets that kicks off the millennial Day of the Lord and do not expect Israel to be destroyed by a nuclear hit 6.4 years before the asteroid impacts Earth. The False Prophet isn't going to rule over a waste land. There are Jews in Judea when he comes to full power Mid-Trib, for they are told to flee to the wilderness when the False Prophet sits in the temple shewing himself that he is God (II Thess. 2:4).

> > Isaiah 14:15-22, where it also sounds as if Saddam was possessed by Satan to do what he did, ie., "destroy" all of Israel, and send all of Islam in God's land. to hell)

The "man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms" in Isa. 14:16 is the Satan-possessed False Prophet. There are only 2 men called the sons of perdition because Satan enters into them, Judas Iscariot and the False Prophet (John 17:12; II Thess. 2:3).

> > Saddam will bring down the whole house of Islam and its pillars (such as the Hajj) trying to humiliate Israel and will instead bring destruction upon himself and all of Islam in the land and eventually in the rest of the world, since all their holy sites (esp. Mecca) are destroyed.

According to Eze. 38:20, EVERY wall will fall on Earth in the worldwide earthquake. Civilization as we know it will be in shambles. Rev. 16:17-20 says, "the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was A GREAT EARTHQUAKE, SUCH AS WAS NOT SINCE MEN WERE UPON THE EARTH, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city (Jerusalem) was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found." Agape

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