Pro and Con 78, Uploaded 3-27-98

Incoming Mail

In "The Last Call," Jan/Feb 1998, p. 30, Pastor F.M. Riley (who thinks the Rapture will be in 1998, but before Pentecost) said, "It should also be obvious that the rapture cannot occur on the day of Pentecost this year as some believe and teach. Keep in mind that as a nation Israel is fifty years old on May 14, 1998, but Pentecost does not occur until May 31st. Check it out for yourself. Pentecost is too late for the rapture. So those of God's people who are seriously 'looking for that blessed hope,' Titus 2:13, can narrow the 'time frame' a little more."

My reply

Let's examine what Pastor Riley said. It seems to me that he is counting a Jubilee day instead of a Jubilee year.

When Israel became a nation on May 14, 1948, it began Israel's first year in the land. That year ended as May 14, 1949 began. May 14, 1948 + 50 = May 14, 1998. This begins Israel's Jubilee year, which is the 50th year. It lasts one full year, not one day. The Jubilee year runs from May 14, 1998 to when May 14, 1999 begins. Therefore, I think that Pentecost, May 31, 1998 is in Israel's Jubilee year.

Actually, the Jubilee year was to be announced on the Day of Atonement and start the following Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year. That falls on Saturday, March 28, 1998. Within that Jubilee year are all seven feasts, Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement and Feast of Tabernacles.

Incoming Mail

...I have three children, two married and one in college. They are all very much aware of the rapture and tribulation and all have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

My concern is that because they are young, well educated and well employed, they are looking forward to achieving their material goals and the thought of an "immanent rapture" scares them because they "have a lot of living to do yet".

Their focus is not on Jesus's return and yet, they are saved. Will Jesus take them in the first rapture?

Me? I'm ready to go but I am concerned about who will take care of my pets and my elderly parents. Is it wrong to have these concerns? Should I ask to stay to be here to take care of them?

I have no one to ask but you. All of my friends, although Christian, think I have a doomsday mentality and do not take me seriously. I get more of a reaction from them when I talk about the year 2000 computer problem!

My reply

> Their focus is not on Jesus's return and yet, they are saved. Will
> Jesus take them in the first rapture?

Only the Lord is the judge there. We should all do everything we can to make sure we have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to go with the Bridegroom when he comes. See I John 1:9 and II Peter 1:4-11.

> I am concerned about who will take care of my
> pets and my elderly parents. Is it wrong to have these concerns?
> Should I ask to stay to be here to take care of them?

It's not wrong to have these concerns, but do not even think of staying here. Things will get too dreadfully awful to even think of it. Pray and ask the Lord to take care of your pets and parents. Talk to your parents about the Lord and then keep them in your prayers.

Incoming Mail

I read the compelling e-mail from the 15 year old girl, who had such turmoil over her attachment to her unsaved boyfriend in light of our soon departure this May 31st. I am 43 years old, and happily married to a godly wife-- Katie. "Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD" (Proverbs 18:22). I would like to share this.

"GIVE ME THINE HEART" (Proverbs 23:26)

When I was 18 years old, I, too, was in turmoil about someone for whom I deeply cared-- Katie. Our problem was that she felt that her salvation was in the Roman Catholic Church, and I was in a quandary about whether this Baptist bred young man should join the Roman Catholic Church to secure the HEART of Katie. "And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD" (Joshua 24:15).

To make this story a little shorter, I fought with myself until I was providentially pointed to Scripture that persuaded me that no human organization could lay sole claim to offering God's salvation. Only Jesus saves. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12).

For the first time in my short and inexperienced life, I made a decision based upon nothing else than "what saith the Scripture?" (Romans 4:3). I now know that whether or not I had ever given my HEART to God before that-- I had "gone forward and made a profession of Christ" and had been baptized as a young adolescent-- I certainly then had given my HEART to God. "My son, GIVE ME THINE HEART" (Proverbs 23:26). Charles G. Finney, a well known American evangelist of the 1800's, well said that willingness to obey Christ is to be a Christian. "He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as He walked" (1 John 2:6).

God demanded my unconditional surrender to Himself. "I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service. And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God" (Romans 12:1-2). I was willing to not have Katie, if I had to turn to an organization in which there is no salvation.

After I had made up my HEART to do the right thing, God opened the Windows of Heaven. "Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and PROVE ME now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it" (Malachi 3:10). I gave Katie a booklet describing the insufficiency of the Roman Catholic Church to insure her salvation. She read it, and turned away from generations of her family's Catholicism. Her whole family then turned away from entrenched Catholicism. "And they said, Believe on the LORD Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31).

Will your 15 year old e-mailer with the HEART- wrenching story see the same results? I know that Jesus Christ is still "the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever" (Hebrews 13:8). I also know that His promise is still true: "Them that honour Me I will honour, and they that despise Me shall be lightly esteemed" (1 Samuel 2:30).

It is sinfully wrong for a Believer to choose an Unbeliever for a spouse. "Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?" (2 Corinthians 6:14). Wisdom cries to us: "Friendship of the world is enmity [hatred or hostility] with God" (James 4:4). Do not be deceived into thinking that you can have both the world and the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [treasure or riches, i.e., an unsaved boyfriend]" (Matthew 6:24).

Now is the time to be on purpose for the LORD Jesus-- He is coming for His Church VERY shortly-- May 31,1998 (Jerusalem time). "And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed" (Romans 13:11). Foolish action belongs only to the Foolish Virgins, who will miss the Pre-Tribulational Rapture. "And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out" (Matthew 25:8). The oil of the Holy Spirit is given only to those who obey Him. "And we are His witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey Him" (Acts 5:32).

To the 15 year old girl who wrote the e-mail, take the advice of our Loving Father: "Be wise, and make My HEART glad" (Proverbs 27:11). Give the LORD the unconditional surrender of your unsaved boyfriend. Take up your lamp, and walk as a Wise Virgin. "The wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps" (Matthew 25:4).

Katie and I are both praying for you. "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Do the right thing for the LORD, because you love Him- more than anyone, or anything in this world. "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him" (1 John 2:15). "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thy HEART, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind" (Matthew 22:37).

Thank you, Mrs. Agee, for tirelessly labouring for the Master. "For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward His name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister" (Hebrews 6:10). Katie and I will be privileged to meet you after the Rapture! In Christian Love,

My reply

Thanks for your input. I have so much email that I have to delete some when my Answered folder gets over 100. The girl's address is gone. The only thing I can do is put this on Pro and Con and hope she sees it.

Hoping to meet you at "the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect. And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant" (Heb. 12:23)

Incoming Mail

I am a born again Christian here in South Africa. Your revelations are incredible and mind blowing. What more can I say, God is speaking to you in a mighty way, and yes I agree, Jesus is coming this year.

There is a hint of revival in the air here. It is happening in some areas already. Miracles and wonders are becoming more visible and I believe will become the order of the day.

A second coming revelation was revealed to us by a Doctor (found in Luke) with the parable of the good samaritan. What it boils down to is that:

The injured is the world.

The Samaritan is Jesus (as the Jews referred to Him as a Samaritan)

The Innkeeper is Satan.

The Samaritan said here are two coins (one coin is the equivalent of one day's wage) representing the two days that he paid for the man. One day is as a thousand years, therefore He paid for us for two thousand years and He said He would come back that way again.

This is the two thousandth year in the Jewish calendar.

The revelation really is a lot to write down, so I pray that the Holy Spirit will guide you when you read the parable again.

Carry on with the spreading of the Gospel. It makes many "christians" really realise just how clean we have to become to enter as the Bride of Christ with the first Rapture.

My reply

Wow! thanks for your kind remarks. I try hard.

I appreciate your telling about the Good Samaritan meaning. I had never though of that.

We sure want to do everything we can to be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are coming (Luke 21:36).

Incoming Mail

Brilliant reply to Pastor Riley. You know your stuff. I did have a question about the second rapture or as you used to call it the mid-trib translation. What happen to the mid-trib position you once held? As I recall, many years ago you believed that there may be as many as 3 raptures, or 1 rapture and 2 translations. You thought that the mid-trib translation took place when the 2 witnesses were resurrected and taken to heaven. The mid-trib position I think really fits better than the end-trib because the latter 3 1/2 years of the tribulation is called the time of Jacob's trouble. Chuck Missler holds the position that the rapture must take place before "the man of sin" is revealed and "the time of Jacob's trouble." He says that the 7 year tribulation is when God once again puts Israel at the forefront of His redemptive plan and the church age is completed by then. Chuck believes that Israel, the church and the tribulation saints are 3 distinct groups not to be confused with one another. He has some very interesting arguments to back this position up which are very convincing.

the saints which appear in heaven which are identified as "those who have come out of great tribulation," don't necessarily have to have been raptured, but maybe martyred. What do you think. I must admit I find your new position of a late trib rapture disturbing. Blessings.

My reply

When I first figured out the timing of end-time events, I made one big mistake. I thought the Rapture of the Tribulation saints was in the middle of the Tribulation.

Here is why. In Revelation 12, Michael and his angels cast Satan and his angels down to Earth in the middle of the Tribulation. The two witnesses are told "Come up hither" 3 1/2 days later. Habakkuk 3:2 says, "O LORD, revive thy work in the midst of the years, in the midst of the years make known; in wrath remember mercy." Good Bible teachers all over the place still teach that the time of Jacob's trouble is the last half of the Tribulation.

With that in my head, when Daniel 12 started off, "AND at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book," it sounded like when Michael is mentioned in the middle of the Tribulation in Revelation 12. The time of Jacob's trouble sounded right, just as it is still being taught, like it was the last 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation.

Well, it was not right, but it took me a while to sort it out. Michael wars with Satan in the middle of the Tribulation, but he also stands up for Israel at the end of the 2300 day shortened Tribulation. The time of Jacob's trouble is not 3 1/2 years. It is one single day when "there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time." That time of trouble is the 2300th day of the Tribulation. It is also the first day of the millennial Day of the Lord.

What finally caused me to get it straight after maybe a couple of years was reading Daniel 11 and 12 together. The chapter division was getting in the way of getting the whole picture. Daniel 11:40 mentions "at the time of the end." That is the end of the shortened Tribulation. The last verse of Daniel 11 says of the wicked one, the False Prophet,"yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him." Then chapter 12 goes on with that same time, "AND at that time, (when the False Prophet is deposed from office the day of the great catastrophe) shall Michael stand up" and so on. Daniel 12:2 says, "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake." Resurrection is part of the Rapture.

Instead of the time of Jacob's trouble being the last 3 1/2 years, the Great Tribulation is the last 3 1/2 years. Revelation 7:14,15 is speaking of those who are caught up in the Pre-Wrath Rapture. It says, "These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore are they before the throne of God." Christ receives his golden crown and sits on his throne on the first day of the Millennium, not in the middle of the Tribulation.

Rapture One is as the days of Noah. Rapture Two is as the days of Lot, and fire fell that same day. The Rapture of the Tribulation Saints is on the day the fire falls. That is the first day of the Millennium.

So there is a Pre-Trib Rapture, and there is a Pre-Wrath Rapture. No wonder people argue over when the Rapture is to take place. The first time, they are kept from the Tribulation. The second time, they are kept from the Wrath of God. They are saved yet so as by fire, as Daniel's friends were saved out of the fiery furnace.

The Millennium starts on Tishri 1. It begins at 6:00 PM September 12, 2007. The "great mountain burning with fire" falls in the Mediterranean Sea at noon on our September 13. Zephaniah 2:4,5 says, "Gaza shall be forsaken, and Askhelon a desolation: they shall drive out Ashdod at the noon day, and Ekron shall be rooted up. Woe unto the inhabitants of the sea coast." The "great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp" that destroys Babylon will also impact Earth at noon. Job 20:23 says of the False Prophet, "When he is about to fill his belly, God shall cast the fury of his wrath upon him, and shall rain it upon him while he is eating."

The Rapture of the Tribulation Saints takes place sometime between 6:00 PM on the 12th and noon on the 13th, when the asteroid pieces will impact Earth. In Revelation, we can see that Rapture Two takes place between the opening of the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12 and the opening of the seventh seal in Revelation eight.

> Chuck Missler holds the position that the rapture must take place before "the
> man of sin" is revealed and "the time of Jacob's trouble."

Actually, the Pre-Trib Rapture must take place before "the man of sin" is revealed, and the Pre-Wrath Rapture must take place at the time of Jacob's trouble." Israel is to be attacked that same day.

> the saints which appear in heaven which are identified as "those
> who have come out of great tribulation," don't necessarily have to
> have been raptured, but maybe martyred.

Included in this group are the 144,000 that are sealed. I do not think they are martyrs. The martyrs are seen when the fifth seal is broken. This group appears in Heaven between the breaking of the sixth and seventh seals. Hope this helps.

Incoming Mail, Re: Time of Rapture II

I see your arguement. The strongest part of it is the days of Noah/days of Lot. but as you presented the mid-trib arguement that you used to hold, it seemed stronger than the pre wrath position. I am still considering it. You threw me for a loop. Does Ikerus still hit Babylon or are you pulling that rug out from under me too. I am just giving you a bad time. Thanks for replying. I think your wonderful and thanks for answering all my questions. I pity all those who are luke warm Christians and will not be ready for the "Bridegroom." It will be hell to live through the years that follow. I am trying to wake some of my family members that will probably be left behind. I think churches are full of them. God have mercy. Blessings. Maranatha

My reply

The Pre-Wrath Rapture is seen in Revelation 7:14. It is between the breaking of the sixth seal in Revelation 6:12 and the breaking of the seventh seal in Revelation 8:1.

The Tribulation starts in Revelation 6:1, when the Beast rides forth as a prince of peace on a white horse. Chapter six ends with "For the great day of his wrath is come." Then we have Revelation 7 that describes the second Rapture. Immediately after this, in Revelation 8:1, we have the breaking of the seventh seal, out of which comes the seven trumpet judgments. Since chapter six ends with "the great day of his wrath is come," the second Rapture must be on that same day, but before the seven trumpet judgments hit Earth. We can be sure that the second Rapture is that day because when the sixth seal breaks, it says in Revelation 6:12,13, "the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind." Things are already beginning to take place. Smaller rocks are already falling. There is no way Rapture two can be Mid-Tribulation.

Icarus may not be the asteroid that hits Earth. Rev. 8:8 and 8:10 mention two things hitting, the mountain and the star. It may be a binary asteroid like Toutatis.

Incoming Mail

ENJOY YOUR SITE, AND I CHECK IT OFTEN. I, LIKE OTHERS, THAT HAVE POSTED COMMENTS IN YOUR PRO-CON SECTION FEEL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO UNLOCK MANY OF THE SECRETS THAT ARE HELD FOR THESE END TIMES. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR EXHAUSTIVE RESEARCH AND INSIGHTS. YOU HAVE GIVEN ME A NEW "SENSE OF URGENCY" ABOUT GETTING MY LIFE RIGHT WITH GOD. HOWEVER, I MUST ECHO THE WORDS OF PAUL WHEN HE WROTE PHILIPPIANS 3:13-14 "I COUNT NOT MYSELF TO HAVE APPREHENDED BUT THIS ONE THING I DO, FORGETTING THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE BEHIND AND REACHING FORTH TO THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE BEFORE. I PRESS TOWARDS THE MARK FOR THE PRIZE OF THE HIGH CALLING OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST. I KNOW THAT YOU HAVE PREVIUOSLY STATED THAT YOUR WEB SITE WAS GETTING QUITE FULL, BUT I WONDER IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO POST THE LATEST SIGNS,DATA, ETC. THAT SUPPORT A SOON TO COME RAPTURE IN A SEPERATE SECTION? ALSO (SORRY, I KNOW YOUR BUSY) I WAS WONDERING IF YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GLEAN ANYTHING OUT OF THE APOCRYPHA OR ANY OF THE OTHER BOOKS THAT DID NOT MAKE THE CUT WHICH MIGHT SUPPORT YOUR THEORY. IF YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO REPLY THATS OK. I WILL JUST TAP YOU ON THE SHOULDER WHEN WE GET TO HEAVEN AND YOU CAN TELL ME THEN. HOPING TO MAKE THE FIRST CUT

My reply

I'm so pressed for time, but will do the best I can.

Apocrypha? Can't remember. I just try to stick to what is real truth, Scripture.

We just have to make the first cut.

Incoming Mail

Wow! You have really done a lot of work and research on the Good Book! I'm very impressed. I cannot imagine the hours you have put into this. I learned alot. I have a question: I'm a new Christian (a few months) and have been trying to absorb as much info as possible about how I should live, think, etc. My thoughts go to a guy like Noah. I understand he (and his family) were the only ones allowed to live. Out of ALL those people at that time, he was the only one good enough to live? That scares me. I feel wonderful with God's love in me but I still screw up and have to ask forgiveness every morning in prayer. Surely there were others in Noah's day who attended church, prayed, etc. I don't doubt God's love and grace, but I'm concerned that I'm not as pure or righteous as Noah was. (I know I'm not but I'm trying) What do you think? And I don't know about the date (5/31/98) I just wanna be in that roll call. Thanks!

My reply

I have studied hard. That's for sure.

Of Noah, Gen. 6:8,9 says, "Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD....Noah was a just man...and Noah walked with God." I think you picked out a good example of what we should strive for.

Enoch was a good example also. Gen. 5:24 says, "Enoch walked with God; and he was not; for God took him." In the Old Testament, Micah 6:8 says, "He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?" In the New Testament, Col. 2:6,7 says, "As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving."

What seems to be the common denominator here? walking with God. In this Dispensation of Grace, we are indwelt by the Spirit of Christ. If we keep our sins confessed, as per I John 1:9, it should be easier to do what Peter said to do. In II Peter 1:4-11, he said to add to your faith virtue, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and love, "to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ."

The date doesn't matter. Just be ready in case. I'm like you, I don't want to miss it.

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