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Incoming Email

I have to admit that I'm wrestling with Heaven being in our solar system, in the same space-time universe we currently exist in, but I am thinking, praying and searching. More important is that I am putting right some past dishonesties that were confessed certainly, but not to the persons wronged or any restitution made. I don't find many convinced of the date, but an awareness of the necessity of being watchful is probably more important. Thank you for your website....

My reply

> I have to admit that I'm wrestling with Heaven being in our solar system, in
> the same space-time universe we currently exist in, but I am thinking, praying
> and searching.

I wouldn't admit it to myself for years and years after I thought certain verses sounded like it had a ring around it. I kept saying to myself, "Nah, that can't be," but it is. Ezekiel saw it "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about" (Ezek. 1:28). John saw it and said, "there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald" (Rev. 4:3).

Two stones are mentioned with reference to the Lord's throne in Heaven, the emerald and the sapphire, both symbolic. The emerald is because Jesus is of the tribe of Judah, whose stone in the breastplate is an emerald.

The sapphire is mentioned in Ezek. 1:26: "And above the firmament (expanse of space) that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets that orbit the sun ['a fire infolding itself,' Ezek. 1:4] in concentric rings, or wheels within wheels) was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne, as (symbolic language) the appearance of a sapphire stone; and upon the likeness (symbolic language) of the throne was the likeness (symbolic language) as the appearance of a man above upon it."

The sapphire was seen under God at Sinai, which represented Heaven. Ex. 24:10 says "there was under his feet as it were (symbolic language) a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were (symbolic language) the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, glory)."

The word sapphire is from the Hebrew sappir, which is from the Sanskrit sanipriya, literally, dear to the planet Saturn, from Sani, Saturn, plus priya, dear. I think Sinai must be derived from Sani too. It completes the picture.

In Psa. 78:69, we find that the Lord "built his sanctuary (tabernacle) like high palaces (planets), like the earth (a planet). Psa. 89:36,7 speaks of David's seed, which is Christ. It says, "His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness (and therefore visible) in heaven." Both the Sun and Moon are in our solar system, and they are both very visible to the naked eye. So is Heaven. IT IS THIRD IN BRIGHTNESS AMONG THE PLANETS. It is also the third heaven, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. (Wow! there are those caps again. I didn't do that. Neither the caps lock nor shift key are down.)

Another time this happened, here is what I was saying,"When Rapture I is at hand, Jesus calls himself "the bright and morning star" in Revelation 22:16. When the Second Coming is in view, he is called "the Sun of righteousness that will arise with healing in his wings" in Malachi 4:2.
"Why the difference? An obvious reason is because the Rapture happens before the Second Advent, just as the morning star is seen before sun up, but there is more to it than that. It looks like he has planned to snatch us up on Pentecost when HEAVEN IS A BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR. It is a morning star five months out of every year."

I think I'll end on that, it drove everything else out of my mind.

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From: scottmalone@hotmail.com
Re: End of the world

One thing the Bible does not do is specify a certain date that the world will end. It is people like you that sends this country in a tizzy when you make ludicrous predictions like this. Is there going to be a mass suicide by yourself and your followers on this day? Are ylu going to reelease a dooms day poison that you recieved through the mail? From now on please spare us all the theatrics of someone just interested in a headline and their 15 minutes of fame and let the rest of the world live in peace as God intended. Rumors and such are for high school kids and those not mature enough to know any better.Scott Malone PhD PS All end-of-the-world predictions thus far have not come true to the best of my knowledge

My reply

Since you are a PhD, I would think that you just might have taken Logic. Even if you missed that, you should know that if 1,000 predictions are wrong, that does not make the next one wrong.

II Timothy 3:7 speaks of those who are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." Don't you be like that.

I care not for fame and have no fortune. What I do want is for people who are smart enough to accept Jesus Christ as their own personal Saviour to also be smart enough to be ready when He comes to catch up the Bride of Christ.

In Luke 21:36, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man." We should strive to be wise virgins, with enough oil of the Holy Spirit in our vessels, not foolish virgins. What do you think we were to watch for?

His reply

I agree with what you say but if you read the Bible carefully you will see that there is no mention of the exact day that the world will end. Me being a PhD I know that there is no mention of the exact day that the world will end. I get agrivated when people like you try to predict the end of the world. If you check any and all of recent and past history you will find that everyone that has predicted the end of the world have been wrong. A true theologin would not have an exact day that the world would end or even would atempt to predict that. I am offended that someone would prepetuate the scare tatics that you would. Please do not insult my intellagence and my years of study with the type of information that you expect people to believe and accept as the truth.

My reply

You failed to answer my question at the end of the following paragraph. Would you have a try at it, please?

> > In Luke 21:36, Jesus said, "Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye
> > may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to
> > pass, and to stand before the Son of man." We should strive to be wise
> > virgins, with enough oil of the Holy Spirit in our vessels, not foolish
> > virgins. What do you think we were to watch for?

> If you check any and all of recent and past history you will find that everyone
> that has predicted the end of the world have been wrong.

What does Logic teach you?

> A true theologin would not have an exact day that the world
> would end or even would atempt to predict that.

I'll put my years of study up against yours. How many years have you studied the Bible?

> I am offended that someone would prepetuate the scare tatics that you would.
> Please do not insult my intellagence and my years of study

What is your field?. It certainly is neither Logic nor English.

> with the type of information that you expect people to believe and accept
> as the truth.

I won't insult your "intellagence." I just expect you to do what the Bible says, search the scriptures daily and see if these things are so.

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> Is it saturn?

My reply

Yes. It's the 3rd heaven, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn. It has 7 rings around it. The LXX of Zech. 3:10 says, "For as for the stone which I have set before the face of Jesus, on the one stone are seven eyes (orbs, i.e., circles, rings)." At Sinai, "there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it were the body of heaven (heavenly body) in his clearness (tohar, glory)." Sapphire is from the Hebrew sappir, which is from the Sanskrit sanipriya, literally, dear to the planet Saturn, from Sani, Saturn, plus priya, dear. No wonder the mountain was called Sinai.

I knew that Mount Sinai represented Heaven, but I learned more about this from Avi Ben Mordechai. In Signs in the Heavens, on page 276, under the chart heading "CORRELATION TO ISRAEL & MT. SINAI," he has this rich nugget: "Exodus 19:17: Then Moses led the people out of the camp to meet with God, and they stood at the foot of the mountain. [Literally in Hebrew: Tachtit--underneath the mountain as in the mountain being in the air and floating above the people]." I love this picture.

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...I had to thank you from the bottom of my heart.

I've read your books Exit: 2007, and Heaven Found, and I am half way through Revelations 2000. They have made a tremendous impact on the lives of my wife and I. We are both closer to the Lord than we've ever been and the Lord Jesus had made truly wonderful things happen for us....

The Lord has truly used you as a tool of inspiration and hope in Jesus Christ.

Again I thank you for your work, and I hope to meet you in heaven soon at the "Blessed Hope."

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Hey, I haven't actually read your book the whole way through, I have read about 70 pages of it. It seems interesting so far, but why do you think you can predict when Jesus is coming back? I have been a christian for about 1 3/4 years. I haven't been a christian very long. I am very ready to meet Jesus now, and I hope your predictions are correct. I am going to ask a few questions. Are you saying that the anti-christ will rise up in power in 1998? And you are saying that 'every' christian will be taken home on april 6, 2007?

My father passed away on March 17, 1998, and my pastor died two days later, so I am hoping that Jesus will come back soon.

Please pray for my family now, because we need alot of help from God.

My reply

You need to read the book. I think the Pre-Trib Rapture will be in 1998, the Beast arise in 2001, the False Prophet take over in 2004, the Pre-Wrath Rapture in 2007, and Christ will return on April 6, 2008.

His reply

What do you mean about the pre-tribulation rapture? Do you mean, that 'all' christians, will leave in this time?

My reply

No. I think the first Rapture is likely to be for the Bride of Christ, and the second Rapture is for the rest of the Body of Christ. The foolish lukewarm Laodiceans will be left behind the first time.

His reply

And this is for all the saved christians now? Like for you and I? Because the believers are the bride of christ, or other words the church is the bride of christ. I love your book, I have read it most of the way through, you are an intelligent lady, that is God called, I relize that, and I hope you don't mind me emailing you, and asking you questions.

and the second Rapture is for the rest of the Body of Christ. The foolish lukewarm Laodiceans will be left behind the first time.

My reply

There is a chance that not all believers are the Bride of Christ. Look at the parable of the ten virgins in Mt. 25. All were virgins, i.e., believers, but only the wise virgins went with the Bridegroom when he came. The foolish did not have enough oil of the Holy Spirit to keep their lamps burning brightly.
I'm glad you are enjoying the book. It's ok to ask questions.

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I have been visiting your web site for quite a while now, and am still impressed by your knowledge of the Bible. I find your conclusions about the Rapture fascinating, and a very real possibility. Your willingness to share your ideas, as well as the thoughts of your readers, is very generous on your part. I check in regularly to see what people have been writing to you, and your response to them. I find your style to be very warm and friendly. I also wanted to share some of my thoughts in response to yours and others who write to you.

I hope that youre right about May 31st. Ive been going through a difficult period in my life, as well as my family. I feel that the Lord has brought us to a point where we have had to totally rely on Him for everything. If the Lord does not return this Spring, then I know that He will provide for us; but it seems as if we are being taught that the material things of this world are not to be relied on, and will not last. Also, when I first became a Christian I became immersed in the study of Bible prophecy. After many years of falling away, I have been drawn back into it like never before. I feel a closeness now to the Lord that cannot be explained. I know that He is drawing me closer to Him because his return is near.

I agree with your statement that even if he doesnt come this spring, it cant be much longer anyway. I used to get discouraged when people made comments to me that the Lord wouldnt come for another ten or twenty years. Now, I just ignore it; because I know from studying events in the world, that things cannot continue as they have been for that long. Even secular writers agree on that point. These Christians who put the Lords return some distance in the future, are well-meaning, and believe they will lessen our disappointment if it doesnt happen when we think. But the more I think about it the more I believe that the most useful thing Satan can do to fool people is to tell them they have lots of time to get right with God. It would seem to be more in line with his devious nature to delay the Rapture than to say how close it is.

I dont think the tense situation in the middle East or Russia can continue much longer without something exploding. I would like to quote from Zola Levitt in the book Foreshocks of Antichrist. On page 185 he says But to recap what I have said about Israel in prophecy, I believe that the present climate of a false peace process will lead us down one of several possible roads to a Tribulation period situation. As to when this could happen, it is difficult to say, but in view of the very complete fulfillment of all of the Lords prophecies in Matthew 24, the Olivet discourse, we could hardly expect so tense a situation to obtain for, say, another 50 years. World attention tends to shift from place to place, and since it is currently on Israel, I cannot help having the feeling that this would be an elegant moment to conclude this age. Everything seems to be in the right place except for the entrance of the Antichrist with his peace covenant for seven years. It is hard to think of any other piece of the prophecy puzzle that is not either in position for the End Times or on the verge so that it could rapidly fall into place. I agree totally with him. Thanks again for your wonderful work.

My reply

Thanks for your kind remarks.

> I hope that youre right about May 31st.

Me too, but if not, I will wait patiently till it happens.

> Ive been going through a difficult period in my life, as
> well as my family. I feel that the Lord has brought us to a point
> where we have had to totally rely on Him for everything.

We must be in the same boat.

> I feel a closeness now to the Lord that cannot be explained.

That is wonderful to hear. This is how he wants us to walk with him.

> "World attention tends to shift from place to place, and since it is currently on
> Israel, I cannot help having the feeling that this would be an elegant moment to
> conclude this age. Everything seems to be in the right place except for the
> entrance of the Antichrist with his peace covenant for seven years."

The Rapture comes before the peace covenant is confirmed, so from this, it seems that everything is in the right place.

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Marilyn, I just about finished reading 2007 and I'm so excited. I feel like my soul is being kept hostage in this body. It wants to go home so bad.

I was reading Psalm 98 (1998) and it sure sounds like a pretribulation rapture to me, as many believe it is. I skipped forward 10 years to Psalm 107 (2007) and wouldn't you know, It sounds like a prewrath rapture also. I'm so excited!

I was looking at the Solar System on the internet, specificly at Saturn, and one of the comments was about the Cassini mission to explore Saturn. It said it was launched successfully on Oct.15, 1997 and was expected to reach Saturn on July 1, 2004. Is their any significance to this?

I pray that God will find me ready on May 31. You know, it's so hard to keep from sinning unconsciously. Only with the help of the Holy Spirit can we strive to do so. And then confess sin when made aware of it.

Hope to see you, my sister, on May 31st, after I see Jesus.

My reply

I'm glad you are excited, but I'm not sure about the Psalms setting forth the years. How about both Psa. 96 and 98 starting off with the new song? Is the False Prophet in Psa. 104? How about Psa. 108? Does it tell about the Second Advent?

I don't know anything significant about the Cassini mission right now, but I would sure like to have a look at it later, wouldn't you? Do you think they will be trying to see if they can determine if anyone is on Saturn? The cloud cover is heavy. Doubt if they will be able to see much, but time will tell.

> I pray that God will find me ready on May 31. You know, it's so hard to keep from
> sinning unconsciously. Only with the help of the Holy Spirit can we strive to
> do so. And then confess sin when made aware of it.

You are on the right track, praying, confessing and walking humbly with thy God. This is what the Lord wants....

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Thank you so much for responding to my e-mail. What a busy, busy lady you are.

I am looking forward to reading your books...

In reading through your web site, one thing really bothers me. I have always believed and stated that God's grace is infinite and that He saves us on the basis of who He is and not who we are. It doesn't matter how "good" or "spiritual" you are--you can't earn a place in heaven. God's grace has provided that entry through the sacrifice of the Lamb on the Cross.

So, how can God select Christians for Rapture #1 based on their goodness? If it's all based on grace, then the only thing that counts is that we have accepted Christ and are indwelled by the Holy Spirit (not necessarily filled if we haven't confessed lately)....By excluding some Chrisitians, that would be tantamount to saying it's based on who we are, not who Christ is. Addtionally, if God is going to remove the restraining influence of the Holy Spirit with the rapture...isn't the Holy Spirit still going to be left behind in these "left behind" believers?

We've all sinned and come short. It is Christ's blood that cleanses us. I know I am going to face God in all his Glory and be judged for all my sins once and for all. My sins are no better or worse than any other believer. I try to repent frequently--but I know there are little mental attitude sins that slip by. My goodness, I am human!!!

And what on earth are all the saints left on earth going to think when just some of the Christians leave???? They thought they were saved based on grace??? They thought they were Christians, which they are.

I've always believed that the Lord will take us all because of Grace and that it is the rewards in heaven that separate us based on our love and desire to know Him.

Help. This isn't comforting to me. Alot of my family love God and Christ but don't make it a daily ritual. They are looking for the rapture, but my goodness, nobody can be sinless all the time!!! I am going to try to remember to repent more often, but this is not comforting!!! I am a busy, busy mother and I am overwhelmed with all the "stuff" in life that must be done to be a good steward. I am trying to do God's will and now I not only have to work on my family and friend's salvation, I have to work on them to get them to confess, esp. the weekend of May 30-31. This will not fit into the picture of Grace that I have painted.

Maybe you can help. Well, I am sure you can. TO GOD BE THE GLORY!!!

My reply

Yes, very busy, working to capacity and still behind.

> He saves us on the basis of who He is and not who we are.

That is so true. However, there is that prize that Paul was working for to be won. There is a difference between Salvation and the Pre-Trib Rapture.

> isn't the Holy Spirit still going to be left behind in these "left behind" believers?

Yes, but I doubt if the world could exist if the Lord did not hold it together. Heb. 1:3 says that the Son is "the express image of his (God's) person, and upholding all things by the word of his power..." The Spirit of God/Spirit of Christ/Holy Spirit will be operative in the world. He will just remove his restraining influence that is holding back the wicked one.

> I know I am going to face God in all his Glory and be judged for all
> my sins once and for all.

> And what on earth are all the saints left on earth going to think when
> just some of the Christians leave????

That they are foolish Laodiceans. They were confident that they had it made and failed to make sure that they were wearing white garments.

No you're not.:=) Think a minute. Christ paid the penalty for your sins, my sins, and the sins of the whole world. Christians are punished right here and now for their sins, because they are not going to be punished for them later on. Our judgment is for rewards or lack of rewards.

> I've always believed that the Lord will take us all because of Grace

He will in the long run. Every believer will end up in Heaven before God's wrath falls on Earth.

> and that it is the rewards in heaven that separate us based on our love and
> desire to know Him.

Love is so important. I Cor. 13:2 says that if we have not love, we are nothing, "as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal." Verse 13 says, "And now abideth faith, hope, charity (love), these three; but the greatest of these is charity (love). I Peter 4:8 says, "And above all things have fervent charity (love) among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins." A bridegroom will pick a bride that loves him to pieces over one who is lukewarm every time.

> I am overwhelmed with all the "stuff" in life that must be done to be a good steward.

It is not so hard. Jesus said that his yoke is easy. Relax and walk humbly with your God. He will help with the "stuff." The Christian walk is one step at a time.

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I wanted to write you again to tell you thank you so much for bringing me and my family back to God. Thank you, thank you, thank you. The last time I wrote, I asked some questions about children going into the rapture....well, I need a clarification. I have been witnessing to others about Jesus and the rapture (for those I am close to, I tell them about you and your studies and proposed date), but in telling a friend about it, she steadfastly believes that regardless of her or her husband's salvation, that her children will be raptured because they are innocent. What do you think?

The thing is, she is having an affair she obviously doesn't want to give up. It was kind of hard for me to talk to her about my rededication to Jesus because we shared so many "secrets", etc., and now it was like I was judging her. Shortly after I made this change, I asked God, "OK, now what?" and I got my answer on one of Charles Stanley's programs where he was talking about being "children of light" and quoted Ephesians 4 and 5. In particular, it said to "take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead to expose them. For it is a shame even to speak of the things that they do in secret..." I did not say anything about her affair, but just asked that she not talk to me about it anymore. Is that OK? Thank you again

My reply

Thanks for your kind remarks.

I'm not the judge, Christ is. But, it seems that since God set up the family unit, he will keep them together as far as it is possible. If the parents go in the Rapture, the children would too. If the parents do not, I'd think their children would stay with them.

On the other, you can not go wrong obeying Scripture.

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