Pro and Con 796

Posted 8-22-01

Arutz-Sheva Aug-21-011
PA: Sharon & Arafat Have Agreed to Gradual Cease-Fire ( According to a 'Ynet' report quoting senior unnamed PA officials, Yasser Arafat and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon have worked out a plan for the implementation of a gradual cease-fire, one that will be implemented in stages. The agreement was achieved with the assistance of German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, who acted as an intermediary.

According to the report, after Fischer met in Ramallah with Arafat, he telephoned Sharon and obtained a verbal approval of the deal.

The plan according to the report calls for implementing a cease-fire in certain areas in the hope it will spread to all areas. According to the PA officials, Sharon agreed to wave the seven-day quiet period in exchange for the new cease-fire arrangement.
Arafat Wants War, So Give Him One, by Charles Krauthammer
...In the current bloodshed, not a single suicide bomber has come from Gaza. Why? Because there already is a wall separating Gaza from Israel. Palestinians have lobbed mortars over it, but it is difficult to send suicide bombers through it. Such a wall built between the rest of Palestine and Israel is the only way to ensure the reduction of violence that all parties say they want.

Strike and expel. Abandon settlements and consolidate lines. Build the wall....

My note: Eze. 38:11 says that it is "the land of unwalled villages," and that they are "dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates."
Mark Rouleau (22 Aug)
A Palestinian Waterloo at UN Security Council
21 August: The UN Security Council session opening in New York Monday night at the behest of the Palestinians was notable as the stage upon which the United States threw back in the Palestinians’ faces everything they had dealt out to Washington ever since President Clinton’s Camp David conference summit a year ago – all the broken promises, commitments, accords and secret understandings which Arafat pledged solemnly to uphold.
The punishment was given impressive bipartisan weight by the former First Lady, the Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton, who led a rally in front of UN headquarters, to revile Yasser Arafat’s conduct in virtually the same terms as America’s UN ambassador inside the council chamber.
"That Asteroid" by Richard Whatley (22 Aug)
I am assuming that the "asteroid" which has been the subject of recent discussion is object "2001PM9". I got onto the tabulated statistical data page for this object, and there was a probability of impact calculated for 2007 that was a little less than 2005.

My reply

2001 would be a neat time for the asteroid that will strike Earth in 2007 to be in the limelight. How big is this one? Is it a binary?

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From Barbara Richmond's special Jerusalem report:
Gershon Solomon, director of the Temple Mount Faithful, spoke to a capacity crowd last night here in Colorado....

Noting the news item reported yesterday that the retaining wall under the Al-Aksa Mosque (on the Temple Mount) is now showing a 35 foot wide bulge which threatens the stability of the mosque, Mr. Solomon reminded the audience that for the first time in the 34 year history of the Temple Mount Faithful organization, he was granted permission a month ago to bring the cornerstone for the Third Temple right to the southern wall of the Temple Mount just 23 days ago on Tisha B'av for a ceremonial dedication. The very place where the cornerstone was brought is the area where the retaining wall is now in danger of collapse. Just a coincidence??????? I doubt it! Take a look at this: "Therefore, thus said the Holy One of Israel: Since you have despised this word and you have trusted in robbery and waywardness, and have depended on it; therefore this sin will be for you like the breach of a fallen wall, like a bulge in a lofty wall, whose collapse comes with quick suddenness. God will break it as one breaks the potters' flask into fragments." Isaiah 30:13-14 In context, God is warning Israel not to put their trust in men and nations, but to trust Him for their deliverance, and specifically, the "people who dwell in Zion, in Jerusalem." (vs. 18) I suggest you read the entire chapter....

My reply

I never know what I will explore while looking up something else. Intending to read the entire chapter to get the context of the verses about the wall breaking, I found my note at v. 7 and took off on a tangent. Isa. 30:7,8 (NASB) says, "Egypt (that binds, troubles or oppresses; anguish), whose help is vain and empty. Therefore, I have called her "RAHAB WHO HAS BEEN EXTERMINATED."

My mind immediately pictures Satan's planet exploding to smithereens. Somehow, calling a harlot Rahab, Egypt Rahab and Satan's planet Rahab must be connected. The harlot's house was on a wall too, just as the Al-Aksa Mosque is on a wall.

Isa. 30:7 (KJV) is not as clear as some other translations. It says, "For the Egyptians shall help in vain, and to no purpose: therefore have I cried concerning this, Their strength ("RAHAB," pride, strength) is to sit still (shebeth, CEASE).

Other translations of Isa. 30:7:
(RSV) For Egypt's help is worthless and empty, therefore I have called her "RAHAB WHO SITS STILL."
(BBE) For there is no use or purpose in the help of Egypt: so I have said about her, She is RAHAB, WHO HAS COME TO AN END.
(NAB) to Egypt whose help is futile and vain. Therefore I call her "RAHAB QUELLED."

Egypt will be desolate, without an inhabitant for 40 years following the asteroid impacts of Rev. 8:8,10. This seems to suggest the way Satan's planet Rahab became desolate. As Egypt is to be made desolate by an asteroid impact, so also was Satan's planet Rahab made desolate by the impact of a rock.

The land of Egypt, whose STRENGTH (Heb., "RAHAB") shall cease, seems to be a type of Satan's planet RAHAB, whose strength shall cease. When the asteroids of Rev. 8:8,10 impact Earth on the 1st day of the Millennium, Egypt will cease to be inhabited for 40 years.

Eze. 29:8-12 says, "the land of Egypt shall be desolate and waste; and they shall know that I am the LORD: because he hath said, The river is mine, and I have made it. Behold, therefore I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years. And I will make the land of Egypt desolate in the midst of the countries that are desolate."

At that time, "RAHAB QUELLED" will be understood with all its ramifications. I think the asteroid that will impact Earth is a broken piece of Satan's planet Rahab.

Other scriptures Rahab appears in: Psa 89:10,11 (KJV) THOU HAST BROKEN RAHAB (the heavenly one) IN PIECES, as one that is slain; thou hast scattered thine enemies with thy strong arm. The HEAVENS are thine, THE EARTH ALSO is thine: as for the world and the fulness thereof, thou hast founded them.

Psa 87:4 (KJV) "I will make mention of RAHAB AND BABYLON to them that know me." A piece of the planet Rahab will also destroy Babylon.

Isa 51:9 (KJV) Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1,5); awake, AS IN THE ANCIENT DAYS, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) RAHAB, and wounded the DRAGON (Satan)?

Re: The wall breaking Isaiah 30:12-14,25 says, "Wherefore thus saith the Holy One of Israel, Because ye despise this word, and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon: Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as (symbolic language) a breach (perets, breaking forth) ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant. And he shall break it (the asteroid the symbol pointed to) as the breaking of the potters' vessel that is broken in pieces; he shall not spare: so that there shall not be found in the bursting of it (the asteroid) a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit....And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers (probably UN and UR at Babylon) fall."

There are two reasons for running water on every high mountain at this time. One asteroid as big as a mountain will impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5; Rev. 8:8). The other asteroid impact will destroy Babylon. Both strike at noon (Zeph. 2:4,5; Job 20:23). Together, the impacts will turn the Earth upside down. Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof."

It seems that the Lord has arranged what Barbara now reports. She said, "the retaining wall under the Al-Aksa Mosque (on the Temple Mount) is now showing a 35 foot wide bulge which threatens the stability of the mosque."

One reason I think this is symbolic of the impending asteroid impact is that "there shall not be found in the bursting of it a sherd to take fire from the hearth, or to take water withal out of the pit" (Isa. 30:14). If the wall gives way under the Al-Aksa Mosque, there would be stones on the ground below. The Lord is in charge, and prophesied events do cast their shadows before them.

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Re: The Wonderous Lemon
I presume everyone knows the lemon is nature's bleach and does a beautiful job of removing many stains. I made a wonderful discovery this week I'd like to share with you.

I had a coffee stain on the toe of my only good pair of white canvas tennis shoes and soaked it good in lemon juice. Much to my dismay the stain was not coming out. After not being able to find a brush to scrub with I was about to give up when I decided to simply rub with the yellow part of the lemon rind. Instantly the stain was gone. To test my new discovery I found a blouse I also had some stains on and had the same results.

I can't believe it's take me so many years to figure this out, and, just can't keep this good information to myself. Love to all

My reply

I appreciate the tip. Agape

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From: David Parker, CAPS. To: Jim Bramlett
Re: ACTS 2 & JOEL 2

From: Jim Bramlett. To: David Parker Subject: Re: NOAH TROYER AND 7 TMES/ "THIS IS THAT"

Thanks. I have previously thought about Noah Troyer and Ron Reese's belief that the final 7 years began with the Wye Agreement in 1998. But I figured 1998 + 7 = 2005. The Troyer prophecy seemed so real to me. Jim

Jim, the adding of 7 years to 1998 would be 2005. Unless the "count" started at the "day" of Pentecost 1998---being year 1. It just seems to ring true to me. I think that the account of Pentecost in Acts 2 was to show that the account of Joel ch.2, where it mentions the Former and Latter rains ---was BEING FULFILLED for the Church at Pentecost. In Joel 2, it says later in the chapter, AFTER mentioning the former and latter rains..."It shall come to pass AFTERWARD...that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh." That was from the perspective of the nation of Israel. Truly "AFTERWARDS"-- meaning for Israel, after the 2nd coming and during the millennium the Spirit will be poured out on all flesh.

***It is the LORD that is to come as the former and latter rains in Hos. 6:3. It says, "the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth." I think his First Advent was as the former rain on Tishri 1, and his Second Advent will be as the latter rain on Nisan 1. Eze. 29:17,21 sets the date as Nisan 1, the first day of the Jewish Regnal Year. Eze. 45:18 shows that the sanctuary will be cleansed on Nisan 1. Counting the 2300 days of Dan. 8:13,14 backward brings us to Dec. 19, 2001. I'm hoping that is when the Tribulation will start.

***AFTER the 1st Coming, the Holy Spirit was poured out. Likewise, AFTER the 2nd Coming, the Holy Spirit will be poured out.

***Here is some food for thought. 1998 was marked for a reason. It was the 480th year in the Modern Parallels. The next marked years are the 483rd and the 490th. These seem to mark the beginning of the Tribulation and the Second Advent. Instead of adding 7 years to 1998, maybe we need to add 3.5 years to 1998, then add the 7-year Tribulation afterward. Jesus had a 3.5-year ministry. He is the Head of the Body of Christ. He ministered 3.5 years then ascended to Heaven. Will the Body of Christ minister 3.5 years then ascend to Heaven? That is what the 2 witnesses, Moses and Elijah will do in the first half of the Tribulation.

***This would agree pretty well with the 4 years in the parable of the barren fig tree in Luke 13:6-9. It sure seems that Israel is being dug about and dunged this year, as in the parable.

***1998 plus 3 years brings us to 2001. If these years started to be counted at the wheat harvest on Pentecost (Sivan 6) in 1998, the extra 6 months would bring us to the Jewish Cheshvan (Sivan, Tamuz, Av, Elul, Tishri, and Cheshvan). Noah entered the Ark and the Lord closed the door on Cheshvan 17. That is Nov. 3, 2001.

I believe that the Former and Latter rains are in reference to Israel. Jesus presented Himself to the nation of Israel at the time of Passover, actually a few days before , when He came in riding on a donkey. Before that time He would not let his disciples present Him as King. So He came as the "latter rain" to Israel at that time.

***Why would the latter be fulfilled before the former?

He will come back physically to Israel at the time of the "Former rain" which is in the Fall. That is, the 2nd return in power will be at Trumpets/Atonement, with Tabernacles picturing the 1000 year reign.

***I think Trumpets will be the Pre-Wrath Rapture and the Day of God's Wrath, and the Second Coming will be the following Nisan 1.

However, Peter said in Acts 2 that what was happening WAS ("THIS IS THAT") the fulfillment of Joel 2. What is going on here ? Here is what I believe was happening. Notice that Peter somewhat changed the wording of Joel ch. 2. After mentioning the former and latter rains, Joel said in verse 2:28 that " And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD, that I will pour out my spirit on all flesh..." But Peter, quoting this verse says in Acts 2:16-17 "But THIS IS THAT which was spoken by the prophet Joel, And it shall come to pass IN THE LAST DAYS, says God, I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh..."

***Afterward. After what? The Holy Spirit was poured out after the First Advent and will be poured out after the Second Advent. Joel 2:23, 27-29 says, "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain (mowreh, early rain), and the latter rain (malqowsh, spring rain) in the first month....And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel (i.e., these rains represent the 2 Advents of Christ), and that I am the LORD your God, and none else: and my people shall never be ashamed. And it shall come to pass AFTERWARD (after the First Advent, former rain, and after the Second Advent, latter rain, i.e., 2 times), that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit." The Holy Spirit was poured out after the First Advent and will be poured out after the Second Advent.

***James 5:7 says, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the EARLY (primos, autumnal showering) AND LATTER (opsimos, vernal, or spring showering) RAIN."

The Former and Latter rain coming to Israel is FULFILLED to the Church AT PENTECOST. Remember that Jesus has told his disciples " I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you." He came back to the Church in the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, in Act 2. This is why in Hosea 6:3 the scripture says, re the coming to Israel, "and He shall come to us as the rain, as the LATTER and FORMER rain to the EARTH." Notice the ORDER ! He will first come as the LATTER RAIN---which comes in the Spring. That is when Jesus presented Himself to Israel as their KING. He will come the 2nd time in the time of the FORMER rain--in the Fall. This time Israel will accept Him as their King.

***Joel 2:23 shows the ORDER. It says, "he hath given (in the past) you the former rain (the First Advent) moderately, and he will (in the future) cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain (mowreh, early rain), and the latter rain (malqowsh, spring rain) in the first month

MEANWHILE, for the church, the FORMER AND LATTER rains are fulfilled "in the last days" of the 2000 years after the crucifixion. Peter applied the promise to Israel of the former and latter rains to the Church at Pentecost, when he quoted Joel and said "THIS IS THAT."

Again, for the church the former and latter rains are at Pentecost. For Israel the 2 comings to that nation are pictured by the Latter rain (the 1st coming) and by the Former rain (the 2nd coming.)

Jeremiah 5:24 speaks of this very thing:
Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest

The appointed weeks of the Harvest are reserved for the Church. The former and latter rains are the comings to the nation of Israel. Will both the FORMER and LATTER rain COMINGS to the Church be at PENTECOST ? I think so. Pentecost in an "interval" in the plan of God. It is for the Church. CAPS

***There is a chance that "the appointed weeks of the harvest" for the ekklesea, called out ones, both Jew and Gentile, started on Pentecost in 30 AD will stretch to the Feast of Trumpets in 2001. We will know soon. Agape, Marilyn.

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The subject of the location of Heaven seems to be indicated in your writings. This is just some input that has caused me to form a differing opinion. One of the first near-death experiences I heard about was at a fundamental church. It was about 20-30 years ago, before it was popular in the media. The man who was speaking said a man he knew, who was both a Christian & into astronomy, had a near-death experience... where he was clinically dead... and that man claimed that he went to the constellation, Orion. Another person, Betty Maltz, who is a Christian and who wrote a book about her her second book...waxes eloquent about the beauty of that constellation. She didn't out and out say that's where she went, but I suspect that's where she thinks it could be. She has gotten some flack about her experience, maybe because she didn't put a New Age spin on it...which some recent commentators tend to do now. In her first book, she said she saw the foundation stones . They were similar to traditional birthstones.

Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe that Heaven is in Orion than a planet in our galaxy. --- at (Notice, I'm using the anti-virus coding).

My reply

Thanks for your input. I'll give some of my reasons for picking Saturn. Consider them and see what you think.

> > I'm more inclined to believe that Heaven is in Orion than a planet in our galaxy.

Maybe that is because you haven't read the scriptures and made notes on all verses that had anything to do with Heaven or the Lord's throne. I did that with every different version of the Bible I could find when I was searching for clues.

Stars are suns. They are burning atomic furnaces. Going to that kind of heaven wouldn't appeal to me. I don't think any sun is Heaven. A planet makes more sense to me.

Psa. 89:35-37says, "Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David. His seed (Christ) shall endure for ever, and his throne AS THE SUN before me. It shall be established for ever AS THE MOON, and as a faithful witness (therefore visible) in heaven. Selah (pause, i.e., stop and think about this, it is important)." Psa. 78:69 says that the Lord "built his sanctuary (tabernacle, dwelling) LIKE HIGH PALACES (planets), LIKE THE EARTH (a planet)." Job 38:37,38 (LXX) says, "Who "is he that numnbers the clouds in wisdom, and has BOWED THE HEAVEN (Saturn's ring system) the earth (i.e., visible from Earth)? For it (Heaven) is spread out AS DUSTY EARTH, and I HAVE CEMENTED IT AS ONE HEWN STONE TO ANOTHER" (i.e., formed it by coalescence). What is the common denominator here? The Sun, Moon and Earth are all spheres in OUR SOLAR SYSTEM, which is in the much larger Milky Way Galaxy. Saturn is in our Solar System too.

Let's look at Ezekiel's vision in chapter 1. In v. 1, Ezekiel said, "the heavens were opened, and I saw visions of God." In v. 4, he saw the central Sun, "a fire infolding itself, and a brightness (nogah, sunlight) was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire." Around the central Sun, he saw the four terrestrial planets flying in concentric orbits. V. 22 says, "the likeness of the firmament (expanse of space) upon the heads of the living creature (lively thing) was as the colour of the terrible crystal, stretched forth OVER THEIR HEADS ABOVE." V. 25 says, "And there was a voice from the firmament that was over their heads (farther out in space than the terrestrial planets)...And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness (symbolic language) of a throne (Christ's), and as (symbolic language) the appearance of a SAPPHIRE stone: and upon the likeness of the throne was the likeness as the appearance of a man (Jesus Christ) above upon it." Sapphire gives the symbolism away. It means dear to the planet SATURN, from the Sanskrit Sani, Saturn, and priya, dear. Mt. Sinai is probably also derived from Sani, for it represented Heaven, and under God's feet was a pavement of sapphire. Exo 24:10 says, "they saw the God of Israel: and there was under his feet as it were a paved work of a SAPPHIRE stone, and as it were (symbolic language) the body of heaven (HEAVENLY BODY) in his clearness" (tohar, glory).

Eze. 1:28 discribes Saturn's ring system. It says, "As the appearance of the bow that is in the cloud in the day of rain, so was the appearance of the brightness round about. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the LORD."

When Paul was caught up to Heaven, he was caught up to the "third heaven" (II Cor. 12:2), Mars, Jupiter and Saturn.

> > --- at (Notice, I'm using the anti-virus coding).

That may work for web sites, but I'm not sure it will work for e-mail. Maybe someone that knows more about computers than I do can let us know for sure. Your address, with the @ sign, is automatically on your incoming e-mail. If you are using Outlook Express, click on any e-mail message in your Inbox. Then click on File and Properties. It will show the correct address of that incoming e-mail. If you Reply to Sender, the address in Properties will go in the To: Box, even if all you can see is the person's name. If you Copy and Paste that name into the e-mail document, you will be able to see the correct address that is behind that name.

Since McAfee said that RTF (Rich Text Format) could not be infected with a virus, that seems to be the best way to send e-mail. In the e-mail document, click Format to see that "Rich Text (HTML)" has a black dot in front of it. If not, clicking on it will change the Format to RTF. Agape

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From: Finland
Please see this: It's about the Great Pyramid in Egypt and how its "Great Upper Passage" somehow shows us whole 6000 year human history. Page is Bible believing, it says "..It is necessary also for the reader to believe that this pyramid is nothing else than a great monument..". Page also hints (with Bible) that maybe Great Pyramid was built by Bible's Job himself. But what makes it so interesting, that it, Great Pyramid's Upper Passage, points out year 2004 as start of God's wrath (if i understood it right).

PLEASE SEE IT, and tell me what you think! Agape

My reply

Good to hear from you again.

The first file, about the pyramid, had a clue that rang a bell in my head--1844. I suspected that the information was from Seventh Day Adventists, and it is. I don't think the pyramid means what they say it does.

As I looked at several things on the web site I found the excerpts below before I quit. They shout Seventh Day Adventist and Ellen G. White's teachings, many of which are wrong. One says, "The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross." The Bible does not say this, so I do not accept it. I have read Ellen G. White's Cosmic Conflict, and I have another Seventh Day Adventist book, Bible Readings for the Home. I disagree with many points in both as well as these things below that signal Seventh-Day-Adventist teachings.
There is also detailed information available about these most important events of the year 1844, as you will find out when reading the chapters of the book COSMIC CONFLICT which is part of this web-site.

"Cosmic Conflict," by Ellen G. White...

Re: William Miller
he reached the solemn conclusion that in a few years the Son of God would come the second time, in power and glory, and that the events connected with that coming and the close of human probation would take place about the year 1843.

Investigative Judgment
Thus was presented to the prophet's vision the opening of the investigative Judgment. The coming of Christ here described is not His second coming to the earth. He comes to the Ancient of days in Heaven to receive dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, which will be given Him at the close of His mediatorial work. It is this coming, and not His second advent to the a earth, that was foretold in prophecy to take place at the termination of the 2300 days, in 1844. Attended by a cloud of heavenly angels, our great High Priest enters the holy of holies, and there appears in the presence of God to engage in the last acts of His ministration in behalf of man, - to perform the work of investigative Judgment, and to make an atonement for all who are shown to be entitled to its benefits.

The sanctuary in Heaven is the very center of Christ's work in behalf of man.

The intercession of Christ in man's behalf in the sanctuary above is as essential to the plan of salvation as was His death upon the cross. By His death He began that work which after His resurrection He ascended to complete in Heaven.

The Judgment is now passing in the sanctuary above. Forty years has this work been in progress (that was in 1884).

..."a sanctuary in heaven, where Jesus, our high priest, is ministering in our behalf by accepting our prayers and petitions, and pleading our cases before the Father.

the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it." Exodus 20:8-11.
This is the only place in the Bible where you will find God's seal. Here are the three parts of the seal.
1) His name - "the Lord."
2) His title - "thy God" (Creator).
3) His territory - "heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is."

You may ask "Is the Sabbath really the seal of God?" Look at Ezekiel 20:12....The seal of God is His Sabbath....Sunday worship is the "mark of the beast!"

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