Pro and Con 80, Uploaded 4-1-98

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You may remember me from past messages (Jewish Messianic questions, moved to a community church, digital pictures of Saturn, etc.)

I just finished reading Mystery Babylon Religions. I don't have the book with me at this moment, so I can't state the author, but the author's address is in the same town that you live, so I thought you may have read the book and be familiar with it. It was fascinating and I learned a great deal from it regarding mystery babylon. Sure puts a lot of things in focus, especially catholic and pagan rituals! I am convinced beyond a shadow of a doubt that the catholic church and her pope is the harlot that Bible refers to. It only makes sense that the son of perdition or beast could come from this harlot.

Thanks again for all you have done. I really appreciate the pro and con messages.

My wife is starting to understand a little of what you have been predicting. This is good!

I totally agree that the tribulation events are being held until the restrainer has been removed. I'm sure the main reason that many of the "marc" systems, one world gov., etc. have not been implemented fully is because of resistance from true believers of the Word. Kinda exciting! Thanks for everything. God Bless.

My reply

Another good book on this is Hislop's Two Babylons. The Pope even wears the fish-head headdress today. Only difference that I can see is that in the Tribulation, all the world religions are brought under the banner of the world church headed up by the pontifex maximus.

> I totally agree that the tribulation events are being held until the
> restrainer has been removed. I'm sure the main reason that many of the
> "marc" systems, one world gov., etc. have not been implemented fully is
> because of resistance from true believers of the Word.

We are the salt of the Earth. In bread, salt restrains the working of yeast. Too little and the bread will overproof. Too much and it won't raise enough. Yeast is leaven, and leaven is sin. Therefore we, as salt, retrain sin.

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We are so blessed, and our wonderful saviour is AWESOME! To be brief: Marilyn, I've considered leaving a file of information for family and friends in regards to their need for Jesus, post-rapture. I've been living for Jesus, in front of family and friends for many years, and though they "hear", and I believe some may have accepted Christ, most live as Laodicians, or haven't accepted Christ. What would you suggest I place in this file, or do you even think it profitable? I'm watching, and praying that I too be as a wise virgin, acceptable to God.

...Your webpage is wonderful, and believe many, like myself are blessed. Remain bold in Him! Gods Many Blessings Marilyn

My reply

Thanks for your kind remarks.

Re: a file. I don't know. Do you think they would read it? How about a simple personal letter addressed to each individual? You could put a rubber band around the pack with a note on top to please mail these if I disappear.

I got a letter from my friend after she died that said something like, "If you receive this, I will be home with the Lord." Something similar might work in this case.

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HEy, I like your page. I have always been dumbfounded by Revelations and your neat and informative page hit the spot. Thanx

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I was saddened to see that you were a Gappist. What a shame! Death came by Adam silly. Please read all the scripture before drawing a conclusion.

My reply

I have read every word of about 15 versions and looked up some things in others. How many have you read?

Genesis 2:15-17 says, "And the LORD God took THE MAN, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded THE MAN, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Here we can see that death came upon MAN because of Adam's sin.

Did you notice anything there about animals?

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Re: "Mocking" Thanks for taking the time to respond to my private email!

I love reading your pages because of the wonderful hope they offer based on scripture and in depth study of that scripture. Many have prayed and begged God to be one of the individuals that God would open their minds to the understanding of these deeper hidden meanings that become apparent BUT not always understandable!

It would appear that God has done that with you! I also reviewed your intent and motivation which seems to be to draw people to Christ and evangelize.

Just like the Old Testament was preparing and proclaiming The Messiah and the time He would come; so does The New Testament!

I have read the bad review of your studies attached To the Jeremiah Project and my first thought was how mean and cruel it was. Then it dawned on me that it was possibly the fulfillment of scripture!!! Jesus describes a mocking that people do concerning His return and I wondered when that would happen. I thought maybe after the year 2000, but reading those cruel words made me realize that that mocking comes from within the Church itself! Believer versus Believer (divide and conquer!!) This type of mocking CAN happen before the year 2000! I always remember that Jesus began His work before "His time" at His Mother's request by turning water into the best wine those people ever tasted! I hope that foreshadows a earlier than "expected" (expected being after the year 2000 kind of situation) unfolding of events!

Those following in the way of Christ would offer a gentle rebuff and their supporting scripture to indicate their position!

MJ, deep believers in Christ know that there is a possibility that you as a human could be wrong; and if you are we will be there for you!!! If you aren't we shall meet in Heaven and rejoice!!!

At the very least one can see that 1998 is a very significant year just by watching Jerusalem & Israel!

The most appropriate response to Jesus as part of The Holy Trinity when he stated "I AM" is YOU ARE!!!

Till then I spend everyday hoping for the Rapture and longing for Christ's return to end the pain and suffering in this world! Everyday is a good day for the Rapture; especially the day your study indicates! Maranatha

My reply

Thanks. I had not even thought about this mocking fitting in, but it does. Mainly, I think of how un-Christian some sound, no love apparent, and without love, we are "as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal" (I Cor. 13:1). Gal. 5:22 says, "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, Meekness, temperance." Rom. 5:10 says, "Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love...Bless them which persecute you: bless, and curse not." The Philadelphian church of brotherly love is the one with the open door set before it. Sharp tongues and brotherly love don't fit well together.

I will post what you wrote and keep on keeping on until the Lord comes, whenever it is.

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Your work is excellent! Inspired! Anointed! I have been studying this kind of work for about 6 months off and on and yours is compelling. I hope you're right about Pentecost '98. I'll be looking East that day. I figure you probably get tons of e-mail and most of it negative, so I just wanted to send this to you to encourage you to keep looking heavenward.

Raised in a moderately christian home, I turned prodigal shortley out of high school. I remember reading "End Times" pamphlets in college and laughing at them. I am so thankful to my God that he found me and filled me a few years back.

My desire is to get to know Him a little more each day and to get someone else to know Him too. As I see the end approaching Jesus has never been more real to me. Thank you for the encouragement your work gives me to occupy until He comes.

I hope this doesn't offend you. I have nothing but respect for what you are doing on your web pages. In Christ

My reply

Thanks. After a few like the previous one (omitted), I needed yours. You must have known. How could I be offended?

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Now I've "catched up" with reading all the material in your page including latest pro-cons. Great material! I thought allready there is nothing new to learn. But via your links something interesting came up. I do however think, that like Noah knew when the time would be - indeed in the final days something new - that certified that he was right- happened. And that was when the animals started to gather in the ark. Probably something similar will happen now too, that will "confirm" the appointed time. Thank You for including in your page the link to Ron Wyatt's pages. Have you had the time to either see his video of presentation of discoveries or read about the Ark of Covenant in internet. He has, it seems, found all the major locations of biblical events. Especially the Ark of Covenant and the explanation of what happened to the Blood of Jesus is VERY interesting.

Do you have any comment of these things?

My reply

Yes, Noah knew, and these are as the days of Noah. Also, just as in Noah's day, there are people who do not know it.

I am using a 14,400 modem and am afraid of letting "cookies" be set on my computer because of the virus danger. I had a virus once, got it from a dealer too, so am skitish. It cost me a lot of time and money to get rid of it.

Therefore, Ron's image-rich pages take so long to load that I have not read but a fraction of his files. I have read with interest the one about the Ark of the Covenant though. About the earthquake splitting the rock and the blood of Jesus running down the crack onto the mercy seat, it sure sounds good and seems like just the kind of thing the Lord would do. He split the veil at the temple, didn't he? He is in complete control of things and knows everything beforehand. He could have arranged it, no doubt about that.

When you are reading his pages, if there is something special I should see, please tell me. I have liked what I have read so far.

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From the Abraham Forum:
> Originally from: tf16@juno.com (David T Foster)
> Originally dated: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:28:41 -0700

> Now that I know there are the mature and full-grown on the forum, I am
> hesitant to speak, for I had supposed those of full growth to have taken
> a walk as did Enoch, but since that is not the case, I will still submit
> my input on the question posed by Mat 26:17 which reads in the KJV "Now
> the first [day] of the [feast of] unleavened bread the disciples came to
> Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat
> the passover?
> Noting, of course, the brackets around "day" and "feast of", these are
> added words by the translators and appear in italics in the KJV.

> The question that was posed had to do with the seeming discrepancy
> between this passage and Lev 23:5-6. This question is a very appropriate
> one and some would answer that this apparent discrepancy reveals another
> of the contradictions of scripture. However, we must recognize that as
> Genesis one declares "...the evening and the morning were the xxx day."

***From Marilyn: There are no contradictions of Scripture, only apparent contradictions, due to our lack of understanding. That is why it is important to try to figure out how two things can both be true. Some way, they are. I'm glad you mentioned the scripture that shows that the day begins with "the evening."

> The Hebrew day begins at sunset and ends the following sunset. The lamb
> for pesach was selected on the tenth day of Nisan and held for four days
> before being slain on fourteen Nisan. As the lamb chosen on ten Nisan
> had to be without blemish, it is reasonable to assume they had to wait
> until the daylight portion of ten Nisan to inspect the lamb, before putting the
> lamb up for four days before it was slain on fourteen Nisan. These lambs
> were slain and the doorposts and lintels covered with the lamb's blood on
> the afternoon of fourteen Nisan, prior to sundown when fourteen Nisan
> would end and before fifteen Nisan would begin.

***I could be wrong, but I think you have skipped about a day in your thinking. There are 12 hours of night and then 12 hours of day to account for on the 14th. I think the lambs were ready to be eaten as the 14th began at 6:00 PM. Ex. 11:4,5 says, "Thus saith the LORD, About midnight (this would be midnight on the 14th) will I go out into the midst of Egypt: And all the firstborn in the land of Egypt shall die."

Ex. 12:6-12 says, "And ye shall keep it (the lamb) up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening (lit., "between the two evenings," as translated by Dr. Tabor*). And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts on on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it. And they shall eat the flesh in that night (the 14th), roast with fire, and unleavened bread...And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning (of the 14th)...eat it in haste: it (the 14th) is the LORD'S passover. For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night (the 14th), and will smite all the firstborn."

*In the Translation Sample, Selections from The Law, The Prophets, The Writings, of his Original Bible Project, Dr. Tabor's note 7 says, "Hebrew idiom apparently referring to twilight, as it becomes dark, in contrast to morning, when it becomes light (see Exo 30:8; Exo 16:12)." Others say that between the evenings is between 3:00 and 5:00 PM.

Lev. 23:4 says, "In the fourteenth day of the first month at even (the beginning of the day) is the LORD'S passover." This day lasts for the next 24 hours, during which the firstborn of Egypt died around midnight and the Israelites were passed over.

> The pesach meal is then eaten when the new day (fifteen Nisan) began at sunset.

***I think it was the 14th.

> This new day (fifteen Nisan) was the first day of the feast of unleavened bread.
> The death angel visited Egypt on 15 Nisan in the midst of the night.

***I think the death angel visited Egypt on 14 Nisan.

> I believe this explanation to be in accordance with the scripture. If
> anyone has Edersheim's "The Temple", he speaks of the passover in much
> detail. The day of preparation and the slaying of the passover lamb were
> both fourteen Nisan according to Edersheim.

> Dave "Choose life that you may live..."

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From Abraham Forum:
Note: I'm sorry, but I failed to copy the person's name who wrote this.

> It occurs to me that some of our gentile participants do not understand
> the Hebrew yom or day. In Gen one God it is declared a number of times
> "the evening and the morning were the XXX day." XXX merely standing for
> an arbitrary number from one to seven.

> The Hebrew day therefore began in the evening at sundown (sunset). This
> period of time was the evening and lasted until sunup (morning). Sunup
> or morning lasted until sundown when one Hebrew day was ended.

> Many Gentiles perhaps believe the Jewish to be on Saturday but in reality
> Shabbat begins at sundown Friday evening and continues through the day on Saturday
> until sundown.

> Hence the lamb was slain on 14 Nisan during the morning or daylight time
> but before the evening or to put it Hebraically the time between the evenings.

***From Marilyn: Thanks for explaining the Hebrew day. It is absolutely necessary to understand it to figure out what some scriptures really mean.

> the lamb was slain on 14 Nisan during the morning

***If the lamb had been slain in the morning, there would have been no following midnight of that same day. By morning, we are already 6 hours past midnight of any Jewish day. The lamb was slain before midnight or there would have been no blood to put on the door posts to protect the Israelites from the death angel coming around midnight. Nisan 14 has only one midnight. It comes six hours after the day begins at 6:00 PM.

***See how easy it is to confuse our days with Hebrew days? We are so used to thinking in terms of our days that it is hard to think in terms of Hebrew days without getting the two mixed up. This is what happens when some people try to figure out the day of the Crucifixion. They lose a whole day in their thinking and end up with Friday. I think it was Thursday. We have to account for 12 hours of night and then 12 hours of day. When we do that, the whole thing comes clear.

> Evening in Hebrew is erev while morning is boker. Together in that
> sequence they are yom or day. It is obvious due to the necessity or
> requirement for light that much of the Hebrew activity was accomplished
> during the period of the yom that was called boker, that is, during the
> daylight hours which were the last half of the Hebrew day....

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It looks like you've done some really good and seemingly thorough and hard work here and are to be congratulated.

Help me out, please.

Is it Saturn? Based on your clue of "between two planets","sea of ice crystals", and "rock" my guess is Saturn, which is between two moons....

My reply

Thanks for the congratulations.

Yes, it is Saturn. It is between Jupiter and Uranus, planets, not moons, of those Saturn has 22+. They think there are more and I won't be at all surprised if they find 24.

I Sam. 4:4 says, "the LORD of hosts (which is our redeemer [Isa. 44:6], i.e., Christ), which dwelleth between the cherubims." The cherubims are planets. The four terrestrial planets Ezekiel saw orbiting the sun in the heavens had four concentric orbital rings, and Earth was one of them. Ezek. 1:15 says, "behold one wheel upon the earth."

The words "like" and "as" are figurative language. Isa. 40:22 uses figurative language. It is God "that sitteth upon the circle (chuwg, circuit, i.e., orbit) of the earth...that stretcheth out the heavens AS A CURTAIN, and spreadeth them out AS A TENT to dwell in."

This is a reference to the curtain covering the Tabernacle. There is a secret hidden in the Tabernacle. Psa. 27:5 says, "in the time of trouble (the Tribulation) he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock (a planet)."

The heavens are as this curtain. It was made up of 5 widths sewn together on one side and 5 widths sewn together on the other side. These two panels were fastened together with loops and clasps to make a ten width curtain. Upon each width were embroidered cherubim.

Ex. 26:1 says, "MOREOVER thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them." Since cherubim represent planets, the ten widths stood for the ten original planets, Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Rahab (now our Asteroid Belt), Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto.

If the priest stood inside the tabernacle and looked up, he would be looking at a representation of the heavens. The width that represented Earth was the one that was draped over the back corner of the tabernacle. This is why Psa. 118:22 says, "The stone which the builders refused (Christ) is become the head stone (King) of the corner (Earth). This is the LORD'S doing; it is marvellous in our eyes."

Note: Since Heaven has "clouds shining like gold" (Job 37:22, LXX), "brightness round about" (Ezek. 1:28) and the cherubim (planets) are "like the appearance of lamps" (Ezek. 1:13), I thought you readers of my Web page might like to see these pictures.

    

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hi, Mailyn How,s life?My name is ---,27 age ,r-born Christian .I stay in Pretotia R.S.A. I don,t have access to the internet,this is a good friend's,and my two way communication level too you.
I have not search your "IT-site" yet,but a friend of mine down loaded 105 files on stiffy's for me(I got a computer 2 weeks ago)I find it very i-n-t-e-r-i-s-t-i-n-g !!!Anyway,last night I preached on it,the responce was also interesting,I got my desired responce-shock!
And awake up call to a very legalist-fast -asleep-local body,although I don't think they'll invite me back,which won't leave me sleepless.I beleive it was done in love and style and a rebuke is better now than judgement later!!!!

I must say I really enjoy your work, I LOVE your spirit grace, and wisedom. All this knowledge is a bit much to grasp some times. LOve

My reply

Thank you for your email. Even if those you shocked do not go in the first Rapture, they will go in the second one. And, they are likely to remember what you told them. Your words may bear much fruit in those days.

As for grasping everything at once, it is impossible. I have been at it for about 38 years and I am still learning.

...I uploaded Pro and Con 76. The first thing on it was some email dialogue between a man in Sweden and myself. I was so happy. He accepted Christ and was feeling the baptism of the Holy Spirit as he wrote to me. God bless you richly. Till next time.

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clay cantrell wrote:
Marilyn, note this observation:
the Bible clearly tells us the patriarchs ages at the birth of their firstborn:

adam = 130
seth = 105
enosh = 90
kenan = 70
Mahalalel = 65
Jared = 162
Enoch = 65
Methuselah = 187
Lamech = 182
Noah = 500

adding up Adam thru Lamech produces 1056, the year the last generation is born, namely Noah @ 1056 AH.

amazing!

in Jesus, clay cantrell

My reply

Yes. Absolutely amazing. I would never have thought to add these up. Thanks for filling me in. The Lord sure plans things intricately, doesn't he.
Note: Noah was born in 1056 AH.

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I don't want to be a big bother, but I wanted you to hear this: I posted (on our forum) your reply to me, and the mother that said her son has had dreams bout the rapture posted this:

In one of my son's dreams, where his brother (Apparently gone on to meet our Lord) comes to play with him right before the rapture, they play outside in the snow. Julie

I also have another question. I read on another board that the "Window for the Jewish nation to be priests closes on May 14. By Jewish reckoning, when will that window be closed?

My reply

Yes, I know about the dream. Julie and I have emailed each other periodically ever since his brother went to be with the Lord. She sent me an email about the dream. What seems really significant is that there was snow on the ground and now I have seen snow in Jerusalem twice lately. It doesn't happen that much usually. It just snows every once in awhile, as it did when I lived in Tennessee. The first time I saw it in Jerusalem this year was on TV. The second time, on March 18, someone emailed me the URL to see a picture of the snow. It was on the Internet news, so is no longer there, but I saw it. The snow was brought by El Nino (named for the Christ child). That seems significant since Prov. 25:13 speaks of snow in the time of harvest. Did Christ send snow to show us that the "wheat" harvest will be this spring? New York too had snow, five inches the first day of spring. It is to rain here tonight and tomorrow. Our local mountains, Mt. Baldy and Big Bear, still have snow on them and may get more. We will know soon. Just recently, Big Bear got 12".

My reply

People forget that a priest started his ministry at 30 and continued until 50. That window will not close soon.

Note: The temple area was taken June 7, 1967, ending the times of the Gentiles (Lu. 21:24). 1967 + 30 = 1997.

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I have read your statements and find one thing to be missing. When you say that the verse no man no's the time or the day it only applied to the one day or his time and not to us. Tell me then, why Jesus did not say, only you today can not know. Who gave you this revelation??? If God wanted people to know when he is comming back why wouldn't he have put it in the book that tells all of us how to live our lives and what we should do to please God? God would have to be stupid to tell people when he is comming, being saved is more than something that people do, it is a entire lifestyle that you need to live every day, it is a sacrifice that you offer to God on a daily basis. You need to look deep into your heart and make shure that you are right with your savior, make shure that you are not leading people away from God.

My reply

> why Jesus did not say, only you today can not know.

He did not want people to start trying to figure it out before it was possible. The Sign of the End of the Age was what we were to watch for. Recognizing it made figuring dates possible. I was able to figure this out on my own with just the Lord's help.

> being saved is more than something that people do, it is a entire lifestyle
> that you need to live every day

It sounds like you are working for salvation. It is free. Eph. 2:8,9 says, "it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." Rewards are what we work for, not salvation.

> make shure that you are not leading people away from God.

Read the first part of Pro and Con 76 and see if that is true or not.

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