Pro and Con 803

Posted 9-12-01

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From: SA, Re: The Ark of the Covenant
...I was delving into the KJV electronic bible which I have just downloaded and unzipped and the first OT book I went into was the calling of Samuel to serve the Lord. I grabbed my NIV for a second read through since the KJV can be rather oblique at times and reached 1 Sam 4 where the Philistines capture the Ark. I read on till 6:17 and then BAM - realized that here is a connection with Zephaniah 2:4. The Philistines had to send a guilt offering of five gold tumours and five gold rats....and the gold tumours represent Ashdod, Gaza, Ashkelon, Gath and Ekron.....and guess where the asteroid strikes!! "Gaza will be abandoned and Ashkelon left in ruins. At MIDDAY Ashdod will be emptied and Ekron uprooted. Woe to you who live by the sea, O Kerethite people....(NIV)"

Isn't that a classic - just goes to show - don't mess with the Lord Almighty!!

What would be the significance of 1 Sam 6:1 " When the Ark of the Lord had been in Philistine territory seven months..."?

It's just so nice to see how the Lord deals out justice and all the more why we should understand that it is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God (Heb 10:31)!

I shall continue on and see where the Ark lands up. In Christ and looking up (18th hopefully!!!) Agape

My reply

(9-18-01 is Tishri 1, 5761, the Feast of Trumpets, hopefully the Rapture.) e-mail. Most suggested that the plane impacts that were instrumental in bringing down the twin towers at the World Trade Center in New York may be a 7-day sign. I think it is very likely. Sept. 11 is 7 days before the Feast of Trumpets. Flight 11 hit one of the towers.

Prophecy casts its shadows before it. Isa. 30:25 says, "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL."

Those words,"WHEN THE TOWERS FALL," that have echoed through my head today, tie today's tragedy to the final catastrophe on the Day of God's Wrath. In that day, the UN and UR will be housed in towers in Babylon, Iraq. Those towers will fall.

Two planes hitting the World Trade towers picture the two asteroids that will hit Earth on the day the towers fall. Zech. 5:4 tells us what will happen when the curse that orbits over the face of the Earth falls. It says, "I will bring it forth, saith the LORD of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief (False Prophet that steals the church), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Tribulation Pope): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

On that day, every wall will fall worldwide (Eze. 38:20). All buildings will come down. Rev. 16:17-21 says, "the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great. And the great city was divided into three parts, and THE CITIES OF THE NATIONS FELL: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath. And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great."

We do not have to worry about getting vengeance. The Lord said that vengeance belongs to him. He knows who did what and how to punish them. They don't know what is in store for them for plotting this wickedness. They will get what for without our doing a thing. I'll list below some verses that mention the Lord's vengeance. The asteroid of Rev. 8:8 will fall into the Meditrerranean Sea. The star of Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon. Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

Isa. 34:8 says, "Come near, ye nations, to hear; and hearken, ye people: let the earth hear, and all that is therein; the world, and all things that come forth of it. For the indignation of the LORD is upon all nations, and his fury upon all their armies: he hath utterly destroyed them, he hath delivered them to the slaughter. Their slain also shall be cast out, and their stink shall come up out of their carcases, and the mountains shall be melted with their blood. And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree. For MY SWORD SHALL BE BATHED IN HEAVEN: behold, it shall come down upon Idumea, and upon the people of my curse, to judgment."

Isa. 61:2 says, "To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD (30 AD), and the day of vengeance of our God (probably Tishri 1, 5768, Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 13, 2007); to comfort all that mourn."

Jer. 46:10 says, "For this is the day of the Lord GOD of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with their blood: for the Lord GOD of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates."

Jer. 50:14,15 says, "Put yourselves in array against Babylon round about: all ye that bend the bow, shoot at her, spare no arrows: for she hath sinned against the LORD. Shout against her round about: she hath given her hand: her foundations are fallen, HER WALLS ARE THROWN DOWN: for it is the vengeance of the LORD: take vengeance upon her; as she hath done, do unto her."

Jer. 50:28 says, "The voice of them that flee and escape out of the land of Babylon, to declare in Zion the vengeance of the LORD our God, the vengeance of his temple."

Jer. 51:6 says, "Flee out of the midst of Babylon, and deliver every man his soul: be not cut off in her iniquity; for this is the time of the LORD's vengeance; he will render unto her a recompence."

Jer. 51:11 says, "Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the LORD hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for HIS DEVICE IS AGAINST BABYLON, TO DESTROY IT; because it is the vengeance of the LORD, the vengeance of his temple."

Eze. 25:15-17 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because the PHILISTINES have dealt by revenge, and have taken vengeance with a despiteful heart, to destroy it for the old hatred; Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will stretch out mine hand upon the Philistines, and I will cut off the Cherethims, and destroy the remnant of the sea coast. And I will execute great vengeance upon them with furious rebukes; and they shall know that I am the LORD, when I shall lay my vengeance upon them."

Nah. 1:2 says, "God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies."

Bulging Temple Wall--good photos, maybe that wall will fall too:

Companion verses:
Mk. 13:27: "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (to gather those who were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).
Psa. 50:3-6: "Our God shall come (this is the Day of God's Wrath, 7 months before the Second Advent), and shall not keep silence: a fire (from the asteroid impact) shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above (to gather the saints that were taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture), and to the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), that he may judge his people (at the Judgment Seat of Christ). GATHER MY SAINTS TOGETHER UNTO ME (to the general assembly in Heaven, Heb. 12:23); those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah" (meaning stop and think of that).

What would be the significance of 1 Sam 6:1 " When the Ark of the Lord had been in Philistine territory seven months."?

God works in sevens, which mean completion and perfection. A bomb went off in the World Trade Center basement in 1993. The Oslo Accords were signed on Sept. 13, 1993 and ratified in Israel three days later, on Tishri 1, 5754. The Jewish 5754 + the 7 good years is 5761 (2000/2001). Adding the 7 bad years = 2007, when Tishri 1, 5768 will be Sept. 13, 2007. Agape

Her reply

Marilyn, you are such a comfort. I am so frustrated - in light of all the news, I can't access the internet, so I can't go look and see if you have a P&C 803 up yet or what is going on. My husband, Phillip, just heard that there were 8 planes - 4 were shot down by the US airforce. Colin Powell has said that is is not an act of terrorism, but an act of war.

---- and I are due to fly to Atlanta next week Friday (21 Sep) - but my eyes and heart are totally focussed on the 18th!! Be strong in the Lord. Agape

My reply

...I feel that the earlier wedding building collapsing in Israel was a wake-up call. This is bigger, a wake-up call to the World. These were WORLD TRADE CENTERS, not just US Trade Centers.

Will they be rebuilt in Babylon, Iraq? "For IN ONE HOUR SO GREAT RICHES IS COME TO NOUGHT. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as TRADE by sea, stood afar off" (Rev. 18:17). Rev. 18:8-11 says of Babylon, "her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in ONE HOUR is thy judgment come. And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her." Rev. 18:21 says, "a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all."

At 9:03 AM, United flight 175 crashed into the South Tower. Within ONE HOUR, at 9:40 AM, American Airlines flight 77 crashed into the North Tower. These 2 planes were good previews of the 2 asteroids that will hit Earth on the Day of God's Wrath, one at Babylon, the other in the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5).

Not only will Babylon be destroyed, Gog's united nations' army attacking Israel will be stopped. Only 1/6th of that army will survive (Eze. 39:2).

I haven't heard anything of more than 4 planes involved. Newspaper says 4 were highjacked. We saw a white late-model Mitsubishi rental car being removed from Boston airport. Manuals in Arabic on how to fly a plane were in it....

Those towers were built to withstand an airplane hitting them, a 707, but "No one designs buildings for bombs the size of 767s," said Joseph Burns, partner at Chicago firm of Thornton-Thomasetti Engineers. That makes their fall seem to be a sign even more. In the past, a plane hit the Empire State Bldg. without it collapsing. It might have been a small plane though.

...They have the names of the suicide bombers on Flight 93, and they are linked to Osama Bin Laden.

Evils will come, but woe to the people by which they come. It would have been better if that person had never been born. God will avenge. We don't have to worry about that. Our job is to be sure all our sins since we accepted Christ are confessed to bring them under the blood of Christ. Agape
Note: I sent a copy of my reply to her 1st e-mail to the ones that mentioned that this could be a sign or a 7-DAY sign. Bin Laden Warned of 'Unprecedented' Attack, By Karen Matusic
9-11-1 London, Reuters - "Osama bin Laden warned three weeks ago that he would attack American interests in an unprecedented attack, a very big one," Atwan told Reuters.

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Re: Sign there you have it
In Jesus Christ,
WTC-towers collapsing, well that's what i call a sign :)

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Do you think the New York City/Washington D.C. bombings today, Tuesday, 09-11-2001, could be our 7 day warning until 09-18-2001?

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We've been speculating on a warning sign that God may use to wake the world up. I think that the destruction of the WTC and the destruction at the Pentagon are those events. The WTC stands for World Government, the Pentagon for War, both prefigure what the life on earth will be like in the seven year Tribulation. Our warning comes just 7 days ahead of Tishri 1, the Birthday of the Lord Jesus Christ. Look up for your redemption draws nigh. Agape

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Can you please explain to me how todays bombing is related to the Bible, and the end of time. Could you please give me some Bible verses that I could refer back to. Thank you and God Bless you

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Re: prayer
Dear J---. Great powerful heartfelt and Spirit-filled prayer. cc to M. Agee. Yesterday I was lead to write in my journal (8 days before Rosh Hoshanna) my (and your, dear friends) speculations about the coming week. I pretty much discussed the Pre-trib rapture with 1) all going, and 2) a few going and the implications for both of the groups that could be left behind. I prayed in the Spirit for a sign to be given 7 days before Rosh Hoshanna. I just thought about this prayer 8 hours after the attacks on our nation and realized that Sadly God had answered the prayer. Today and the rest of the 7 days left I was going to list where I have hidden things for those left to survive with if they have been left behind. I also went to our Mobile Home Park club house and talked to the manager about using our main room in the club as a medical Center in case we have problems here in --- where much of our military facilities are housed. We have many older people and if they haven't panicked yet, they will as time goes. They will need prayer and assurance that God is in control of this awful beginning Holocaust in our own country. I have prayed in the Spirit for both of you and Christians everywhere. Put on the full armor (panoply) of God. Stand against evil, the evil one and that evil day. Resist Satan and his millions of Demon followers. Encourage one another with the soon appearing of our Lord and Savior, Jesus. Thousands of Christians have already died.

Interesting, Shimon Peres is speaking for Israel on Fox News. His meeting with Arafat is posponed but I don't understand why he is speaking. He must be the king-pin there, and never elected to office. Lyn Mize says watch for the destruction of Damascus as the midnight call. What do you think? I think the warning has been sounded. Pray for all Christians and Jews everywhere.

Love you in Jesus. Be stong in the Lord. The News from Israel was very sparse at first but we are intimately connected to them now and in the hereafter. May God bless you and your families.
J--- wrote back:
Father God, Almighty God, in the name of Jesus Christ Your Son, who defeated evil in His death and resurrection, and in whose blood we pray, and in the power and authority of the Holy Spirit, given to us in our Baptism, multiplied by the grace of God:

You have promised that where evil abounds, grace abounds the more! You have promised in Your Holy Word that when the Enemy comes in like a flood, the Lord will raise a standard against it! Standing on these promises, we join together as the Body of Christ to pray for Your deliverance from this enemy attack! We ask for Your protection against further attacks. We ask You to send in an army of Your Holy Angels to block further attacks, to blind the Enemy (demonic and those humans being used by Satan) with Your Holy Face shining through the faces of Your Angels, to deafen the Enemy's ears by speaking Your Holy Word of Truth into their ears, in order to stop them from networking with each other and furthering their evil plans.

We ask You, Almighty Father God, to assist those who are in need of being rescued. Send in your Holy Angels in physical form to lift them and carry them away from danger, regardless of whether these are children who have given their lives to You or not, for they are all Your children. Send in Holy Angels to assist the human rescuers, to protect them and to lead them to those who need rescuing and to lead them safely back out.

We ask You, Loving God, to send Your Spirit of Comfort to all those who are frightened, all those who have just lost loved ones, and all of the nation and the world who are shaken by this evil tragedy....

We ask You, Spirit of Wisdom, to guide all the decision makers, from President Bush on down to the least of those who are aiding in the recovery from this disaster or in the protection from further attack. Protect them from being influenced by human emotion and demonic influence, by speaking Your Holy Word into their ears, non-stop, until Your Holy Will has been fulfilled. And we add to this that Your Holy Spirit will rush in and speak to all those who have been involved in making this disaster and who are planning more. They are Your children, also, but they do not know You! We pray for their souls. We ask that Your Holy, Mighty Spirit bring them to conversion and repentance and a change of heart and mind, in time to prevent further disasters.

And Lord Jesus, teach us to love our enemies! For our battle is not against human beings, but against the powers and principalities of darkness. Direct our thoughts and feelings, anger and fear, into prayers of love for those who need Your redemption most. Lord, have mercy on them, have mercy on us all, lead all souls to You, especially those who are right now in most need of Your mercy!

You have promised in Romans 8:28 that all things will be worked for the good of those who love the Lord. Our nation was founded on faith in You, O Lord,and we ask You to forgive this nation from all that we have done against this faith. Grant by Your Infinite Mercy that what is happening today WILL INDEED be turned around for Your Glory!

May one of the good benefits that come from this be an increase in conversions and interest in having faith in You -- throughout our nation and all around the world! Amen, In JESUS CHRIST!

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Re: Wow what a 7 day warning
Wow what a 7 day warning, It hurts to see all the THOUSANDS of people killed, but I still can't wipe that SMILE off of my face knowing that Monday or Tuesday we are going home. Here at work this morning, I told a co-worker that I know that something really big world wide event will happen today Knowing that we will have a 7 Day warning, only a couple of seconds later, BANG. not expecting that this terrible event would happen. WOW what a 7 day warning.

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Re: 7 day warning
thank you for your faithfullness to the Lord and the postings on your site. Do you believe these terrorists attacks on US today are our 7 day warning 'as in the day of Noah'? I am sure you are receiving many, many e-mails, so I do appreciate your time and return answer if possible. Prayfully and watching. I feel a boldness within to speak the 7 day warning out to all who would hear? Do you feel the same? Agape and The Lord Jesus Christ bless and keep you

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Re: Trade Center Tradgedy.
I work in NJ these days only about 8 miles west of New York. We could clearly see the white smoke clouds from the progressive tradgedy of the World Trade Center. With fear I ask is this our 7 day sign (Sept 11th) from Sept 18th?

O Lord have mercy on us and help those who are injured and give us the words to speak to those around us -- Your words of instruction and encouragement and love and hope.

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Re: Luke 21:28: "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near".

Marilyn, my head is lifted up like so many of your readers whom you have informed to be ready. Thank you. Today is 9-11, the emergency number to call on God to come for his saints. Hope to see you very soon!!

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Re: 9/11/01
one week before rosh week before the door was shut...noe

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Re: pyramid
just thought this would be interesting to you, seeing that it points to Sept. 17/18
Prophecy and the Great Pyramid, By Jason Jeffrey
...Many pyramidologists, who see the Great Pyramid as prophecy in stone, measure the complete Adamic Age beginning around 4000 B.C. and covering 6000 years. According to their calculations the final period of the Adamic Age is between 1953 and 2001. Charles Berlitz in his best-selling 1981 book Doomsday 1999 AD wrote that studies of the Great Pyramid show that September 17, 2001 is a terminal date for the world.

Charles Berlitz writes: "While remembering that this is an interpretive prophecy mainly after the fact, it is still intriguing to observe that certain modern events appear to have been indicated in advance... the gallery measurements apparently indicated critical events that corresponded to World War I, World War II, the Atomic Age, and crucial events of the 50s and 70s. But the measurements - and history itself - seem to break off in 2001."... ---
Re: sapphire
...No'ach's Ark

During the disaster that followed, No'ach and his family braved the watery cataclysm in their large reed craft. It was not gopher wood (there is no such thing). It was sealed with gophre, the Hebrew word for pitch or tar. The rabbinical sources reveal that its interior was lit by a marvelous blue sapphire that contained all knowledge. This same idea is expressed in the works of the Babylonian priest Berosus. He says that the story is in the sacred book called Sippar.

Note of some very intriguing facts: The Hebrew word for book is Sefer. The Hebrew word for sapphire is Sapir.

The Hebrew letter fey is changed to a pey by adding a dot in the middle of the letter. It changes an "f" sound to a "p" sound. Say the words (sefer and sapir) and interchange the "p" with the "f" and they are almost indistinguishable. In Hebrew, the word for a scribe is sofer.

19th century sailing vessels used a sapphire shaped prism, flat on one end, built into its deck to light below decks. (I have a replica of this ship's prism on my mantle).

And what is even more fascinating...some Jewish scholars have long held that the Torah itself, given to Moses on Mount Sinai, was engraved on two blocks of pure sapphire. So, is the Hebrew word for book, sefer, derived from safir or sapphire? Agape

My reply

I thought that all the predicted dates had already run out. I don't think this article has the correct year for the Crucifixion either. However, we will soon know if Sept. 17, 2001 is meaningful. Agape

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From: Jim Bramlett
This is an interesting excerpt from the August, 2001 newsletter dated August 1, 2001, of the Last Trumpet Ministries, Pastor David J. Meyer:

Exactly one week ago, we returned from New York City, where we spent six days working for our Lord and Saviour in research and spiritual warfare. It was our eleventh trip to this city of spiritual Babylon, and one of our reasons for going was to go to the United Nations, where meetings were to be held to plan a strategy on how to completely disarm the "citizens" of all member nations. On Friday, July 6th, something happened to me that I will never forget. It is something that has happened few times in my ministry, and as we were sailing across New York Harbor on the Staten Island Ferry for Manhattan, the Almighty stunned me with an amazing vision. I was standing at the front of the ferry outside as we were approaching the Statue of Liberty. I looked at the statue and my eyes focused on the torch. This torch is a symbol of the Illuminati and is referred to by the conspirators as the "torch of Illuminism." After looking at the torch, I turned my eyes to the 13-mile island of Manhattan. There, in the distance were the twin towers of the World Trade Center rising a quarter of a mile high. The other sky-scrapers in the financial district of Southern Manhattan filled the narrow island. As I looked, I felt the Spirit of the Almighty come over me, and when He opened my eyes I saw massive flames of fire rising high into the sky as the entire island of Manhattan was engulfed in flames. The flames rose high above the buildings and pulsated with intensity. I could hear the horrifying screams of multitudes of people in the distance as the burning continued and intensified. Then, the vision ended as quickly as it began, and I stood there with tears filling my eyes as I realized what is coming upon this nation. I then heard a voice that seemed to come from inside of me saying, "Tell not the vision until you return." I do not pretend to know what it all means, but I do know that time is short and the end is near....
Pastor David J. Meyer

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