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Posted 9-15-01

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Re: AWESOME!!!
That is what I think of your web site. If I never get the opportunity to meet you before the Coming of Christ, I definitely will after the Rapture, which I too believe is coming soon! Feel free to respond to my e-mail, it would be an honor. Take care and God Bless!!!

My reply

Thanks. There are a lot of people I want to meet when we get to our heavenly home. When we are caught up, our tears because of the WTC terrorist attack will be wiped away. It punctuated this 1st of the 7 bad years, when Israel would be digged about and dunged (Luke 13:6-9).

Sept. 13, 1993 (when Oslo Accords were signed) + 7 = Sept. 13, 2000, end of the 7 good years. Immediately, Arafat started terrorist attacks on Israel in earnest. They have gone on to this day. Sept. 13, 2000 + 7 bad years = Sept. 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets, the day I think the towers will fall. Not only the towers, but every wall in the world (Eze. 38:20).

Figuring with Jewish years, the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel on Tishri 1, 5754. That + 7 = Tishri 1, 5761. That plus the 7 bad years = Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007).

People bereaved of loved ones in the WTC attack should remember that those that were Christians are ok. If the Rapture is Sept. 17 or 18, they can join their loved ones before the site is even cleaned up. The key is to be wearing spiritual white robes of righteousness, obtained by confessing known sins since accepting Christ (I John 1:9). Agape
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Note: Best source of information on Osama Bin Laden I have found. http://www.debka.com/
"First Ground Forces of US Operation Vs Bin Laden Land Early Saturday in Pakistan."

Note: Amazingly detailed. My thought: Smokescreen?

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I recoiled in horror today at the sight of a Muslim Imman praying to his pagan god Allah in the midst of a Christian service. Truly we are far from the time when Lincoln called the nation to national repentance, confession and prayer. (Have you heard the word "repent" mentioned today?) In our attempt to be inclusive, why didn't we include a Hindu priest, a native American medicine man, a Voodoo priest, a Wiccan or two, and a few Druids? Since when have we included pagan worship in our national days of prayer, even though they have always been among us? Truly we have grievously offended our Lord, Master, King, God and Saviour, Jesus Christ, this day. I tremble for our nation.
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BEWARE OF THE FALSE GOD OF ISLAM
9-14-01 - David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist Information Service, fbns@wayoflife.org
...the Koran has these plain commands: "Strike terror [into the hearts of]the enemies of God and your enemies" (Surah 8:60) and "Fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them" (Surah 9:5).
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"President Bush addresses prayer service"
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/14/bush.memorial/
President Bush addressed a prayer service on Friday at the Washington National Cathedral.
9-14-01 (the President said,)...Our purpose as a nation is firm, yet our wounds as a people are recent and unhealed and lead us to pray. In many of our prayers this week, there's a searching and an honesty. At St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York, on Tuesday, a woman said, "I PRAY TO GOD TO GIVE US A SIGN that he's still here."...

The President said, "GOD'S SIGNS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE ONES WE LOOK FOR. We learn in tragedy that his purposes are not always our own, yet the prayers of private suffering, whether in our homes or in this great cathedral are known and heard and understood...."

My note

How true, President Bush's statement that "GOD'S SIGNS ARE NOT ALWAYS THE ONES WE LOOK FOR." I feel that God allowed the towers to fall as a SIGN that would be known worldwide, a type of that day when all walls worldwide will fall from the worldwide earthquake of Eze. 38:20. I think that Day of God's Wrath will be Sept. 13, 2007, the Feast of Trumpets. In that day, Isa. 30:25 says, "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL."

The water will be both literal and symbolic, literal because the first of 2 burning asteroids will impact the Mediterranean Sea and turn this globe upside down causing tsunamis, symbolic because Christ will come as the rain (Hos. 6:3). Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." Good will prevail over evil.

Christ will catch up the Tribulation saints just before the Wrath of God hits Earth. They will escape so as by fire. At that point, I think his Second Advent will be 7 Jewish months future (Dan. 8:13,14), on Nisan 1, 5768, April 6, 2008. 9-12-01 In the midst of blaming Osama Bin Laden for this act of terrorism, don't forget that Arafat was associated with the 1st bombing of the WTC in Feb. 1993, the year the Oslo Accords were ratified in Israel on Sept. 13, 1993, Tishri 1, 5754. 1993 + 7 good years and 7 bad years = Tishri 1, 5768, Sept. 13, 2007.
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"Arafat Was Connected With First WTC Bombing"
http://israelnationalnews.com/
9-12-01 - Israeli intelligence had evidence that Yasser Arafat was involved in the planning of the World Trade Center bombing in New York in February of 1993.
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U.S. FOCUSES ON BIN LADEN LINKS WITH HIZBULLAH, ARAFAT'S FATAH 9-15-01
http://www.jvim.com/cgi-bin/update.cgi
The World Tribune reports - The United States is investigating whether a coalition of Palestinian, Iranian and Lebanese groups joined to help launch the suicide attacks in New York and Washington.
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Threat to Bush plane included code words
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash.htm
Washington (dpa) 9-13-01 - Shortly after a hijacked airliner crashed into the Pentagon early Tuesday, the Secret Service in Washington received a chilling message about the president's official plane.

"Air Force One is next," said the caller. The message included code words indicating that the caller knew of White House security procedures for protecting the president during a crisis.

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Bulging Temple Wall--good photos, maybe that wall will fall too: http://www.har-habayt.org/blg.html
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http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/sep2001/marilnw911.htm
marilnw (11 Sep) "Apostesia - Falling Away or Departure"
Recently, I read something very interesting in the new Tim LaHaye Prophecy Study Bible In the notes about 2TH 2:3, it states that, "The first seven translations of the English Bible translated the word apostesia as departure. No one knows why the translators of the King James Version rendered it falling away". Isn't it fascinating that the number seven is involved.
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Companion verses:
Mk. 13:27: "And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture) to the uttermost part of heaven" (to gather those who were caught up in the Pre-Trib Rapture).
Psa. 50:3-6: "Our God shall come (this is the Day of God's Wrath, 7 months before the Second Advent), and shall not keep silence: a fire (from the asteroid impact) shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. He shall call to the heavens from above (to gather the saints that were taken to Heaven in the Pre-Trib Rapture), and to the earth (the Pre-Wrath Rapture), that he may judge his people (at the Judgment Seat of Christ). GATHER MY SAINTS TOGETHER UNTO ME (to the general assembly in Heaven, Heb. 12:23); those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice. And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah" (meaning stop and think of that).

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Re: Where is the Pope?
Odd that in the past number of days or weeks, I've not heard a single news item mention the Pope. What do you make of that? Perhaps he is gravely sick. Usually we hear some word from him about various issues in the word and especially now on the Middle East. I have adopted your view of the Pope's role in the tribulation, but have long guessed this current Pope will die or resign. The next Pope is apparently the bad guy you picture. We know the college of cardinals was meeting last May. Kind of like the quiet before the storm, I've grown suspicious that we've heard nothing from the Pope or Vatican. Did I miss something?

My reply

All I have heard in the last few days is that the Vatican will adopt the Euro Jan. 1, 2002. I am wondering if the Tribulation Pope is this one or the next one too. This one's having parkinson's disease might fit in with the False Prophet's seizing power Mid-Trib. Agape

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Re: Sept 18 - day of peace?
Someone wrote you saying Sept 18th is also the day of peace(?). I wasn't aware. But, just thinking -- Jewish New Year, day of world peace and now recalling that the first of the 4 horsemen is bringing peace... Something in this maybe?

I'm praying for you.

My reply

I sure appreciate your prayers.

I didn't know about the day of peace, either. My calendar doesn't list that, just Rosh HaShannah. Your Idea about the first horseman bringing peace is a good tie-in with the covenant as the 70th week of Daniel begins. I keep watching to see if the Pope gets into the "peace process" in earnest, the UN too. I have seen a few statements the EU has made concerning things in the Mid-East....Agape

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Re: A message by John Hagee about Rosh Hashanna
I was reading some things on Koenig's International News and ran across a piece by John Hagee that you might want to read. It's listed down on the main page under Encouragement...It's called "Rosh Hashanna: Feast of Trumpets in the time of Christ". He talks about the 10 days from Rosh Hashanna and Yom Kippur and states:

But there are, in addition, certain exalted moments when the spirit that fills all hearts on the Days of Awe expands and religious feelings are raised to the highest pitch. Such an exalted moment comes at the blowing of the shofar. Psalm 47 is recited seven times; then all quiets down. The hearts of the worshipers beat fast; and when the trumpeter calls out, “Blessed be,” the beginning of the benediction, a tremor of awe and fear passes through the congregation.

"Oh, clap your hands, all you peoples! Shout to God with the voices of triumph! . . . God has gone up with a shout, the Lord with the sound of a trumpet. Sing praises to God, sing praises!" - Psalm 47:1-6 NKJV

I don't know if there is anyting new here or not. The article was interesting. Agape

My reply

> > Rosh Hashanah: Feast of Trumpets in the Time of Christ (John Hagee)
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=15742&rtn=/articles.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1
> > Rosh Hashanah is known in the Bible as Yom Teruah, the Day of the Awakening Blast.

This is well named. I think it is the day the asteroid pieces impact Earth, and the noise is heard around the world. Jer. 25:29-31 says, "I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for A SWORD UPON ALL THE INHABITANTS OF THE EARTH, saith the LORD of hosts. Therefore prophesy thou against them all these words, and say unto them, The LORD shall roar from on high, and utter his voice from his holy habitation; he shall mightily roar upon his habitation; he shall give a shout, as they that tread the grapes, against all the inhabitants of the earth. A NOISE SHALL COME EVEN TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH; for the LORD hath a controversy with the nations, he will plead with all flesh; he will give them that are wicked to the sword, saith the LORD."

This is the Sword of the Lord. Jer. 12:12 says, "The spoilers are come upon all high places through the wilderness: for the sword of the LORD shall devour from the one end of the land even to the other end of the land: no flesh shall have peace."

It is not the day of the Second Advent. Isa. 31:4,5 says, "so shall the LORD of hosts come down to fight for mount Zion, and for the hill thereof. As birds flying, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem; defending also he will deliver it; and passing over he will preserve it." It is the day of the Sign of the Son of Man (Mt. 24:30), 7 months before the Second Advent (Eze. 39:12,13).

> > Ezekiel 38 - Bill Koenig
http://www.watch.org/showart.php3?idx=15567&rtn=/articles.html&showsubj=1&mcat=1
> > Scenario 2: This group believes there has not been a time of peace (safety) as spoken of in Ezekiel 38:14. This time of peace and safety likely would come only after the confirmation of the Daniel 9:27 agreement.
> > Some of this group believe Gog and Magog will happen in the first year or two of the final seven-year Tribulation period. Others believe it will take place toward the end of the first three and one-half years. Still others believe it will happen in the middle of the final three and one-half years, while a final group believe it will occur toward the latter half of the seven-year period, just before Armageddon.

I can't see why there are so many interpretations of when Gog's united nations' army will attack Israel. To me, Eze. 38 is so plain. It is after Israel is back in the land and when "they shall dwell safely all of them" (v. 8). That is not today by any stretch of the imagination. Gog says, "I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates, To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places that are now inhabited, and upon the people that are gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land" (v. 11).

> > The Feast of Trumpets falls near the end of a special forty-day season, Teshuvah, beginning on the first day of Elul and ending with Yom Kippur, the Day of Atonement. The Hebrew word Teshuvah means to “return or repent,” and the message of the season is clear: Repent before the Feast of Trumpets. Don’t wait, or you will find yourself unprepared to stand before God.
> > That message is still valid today, my friends. Over the years, rabbinic tradition began to identify Rosh Hashana as Yom Hadin, or Judgment Day.

I think the Feast of Trumpets is the day of the Judgment Seat of Christ. Rev. 11:18 says, "the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be JUDGED, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."

I wonder if it could also be the day when Christ, the judge, stands before Heaven's door to decide who comes in and who is cast outside the door, "For many are called, but few are chosen" (Mt. 22:11-14). Rev. 17:14 says, "they that are with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." James 5:9 says, "Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned: behold, the judge standeth before the door." Agape

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Re: REGATHERING THE JEWS FROM THE USA
In light of the horrible attack on the World Trade Center in NYC yesterday, I have been thinking how this might fit into prophecy. While listening to a taped message recently relating to the return of the Jews from all the nations of the earth to Israel, (Isaiah 11: 10-12 and Jeremiah 23: 7-8) a reference was made that this has actually happened already in virtually every nation in the world with the exception of one, the United States. It was stressed that this was significant since the US and specifically New York City has the highest population of Jews in the world outside of Israel itself. The person went on to speculate when and why would the Jews return in large numbers to Israel from the US. The offered suggestion as to why it would take place would be that like everywhere else the Jew would come under intense persecution even in the good old USA.

Do you think the NYC terrorist attack could begin to build resentment and anti-semitism in the US and more specifically in NYC? Its would seem logical that this could happen since the public at large could easily put together why we were attacked in the first place. If this actually begins to happen then the regathering of the Jews to Israel would seem to be very nearly complete. Already they have increase in their homeland from around 41,000 in 1,900 AD to almost 6,000,000 today. Your comments are appreciated. In Christ

My reply

I don't expect any right thinking person in the US to come out against the Jews. They are accepted along with all the other cultures of this world. This country has been a melting pot from its beginning. The last of the remnant of Israel will be returned to their land after the Second Advent. Isa. 49:22 says, "Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders."

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From: Danilo B. Bajit, Philippines, Re: Two Raptures
Yes I agree with you that there will be two raptures.

Now that the world scenario looks so grim, people are again so conscious of their spiritual lives.

I have a website which proves the truth of two raptures. This is in www.geocities.com/dbbomega. The first is when God will be taking away his people to be prepared for 3 1/2 years to be His Army and the second, the Last Days Exodus, redeeming His people from all over the world immediately before He comes.

It is an eye opening fact that the US now shall play a very important role in the Last Days events and my website will reveal why. In fact it has started. In God's grace, Danny

My reply

The following excerpts are from chapter 6, "The Rapture: The Journey to the Wilderness," from "The Omega" by Engr. Danilo B. Bajit.

> > Greenland will bring terror to the kingdom of antichrist, the Babylon which is also Egypt to Israel. This Dan’s territory is perfectly northeast of New York, USA which is the future site of antichrist’s throne.

I am glad you can see both Raptures in Scripture. We differ on other things. However, we can be wrong about a lot of things and still make it to Heaven as long as we are right about Christ. We should discuss our differences in His agape love, not to tear down, but to build. Each must be fully persuaded in his own mind.

I am available to answer questions now, but if the fall of the towers on 9-11-01 was a 7-day sign of the upcoming Rapture, we may not have much time left. The Feast of Trumpets is next Tuesday, 9-18-01.

I too study Bible prophecy, and have for at least 40 years. I appreciate the hard work you have done, but I have a different idea of what is coming than you do. This is because I accept that when the Lord says "Babylon," he means Babylon in Iraq, where the Tower of Babel was built in the land of Shinar. In my head, he doesn't use Babylon as a code word for USA or say Babylon when he means Egypt.

However, there are times when he speaks symbolically, so the unbeliever can't figure it all out. It takes the indwelling Holy Spirit to help us understand. One such place is Rev. 11:8. It says, "their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified." The last clue helps us understand that he meant Jerusalem. In turning Jesus down as the King of Israel, Jerusalem's spiritual condition was like that of Sodom and Egypt. Because we know this city is where the Crucifixion took place, we know that Jerusalem is the great city in Rev. 16:19. It says, "THE GREAT CITY was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came into remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of this wrath."

> > those refined in the desert will receive the Holy Spirit with a giant fireball that will literally and directly strike down on them such as never been in all history of the baptism of fire. This is the "star" named Wormwood (Rev 8:10) that will strike Greenland in a gigantic flash. The star is actually a living creature from heaven. Star is actually just another name for an angel or a cherub (Isa 14:12).

Babylon is not Greenland. The Antichrist's headquarters will be in Babylon--in the desert. Neither Greenland nor New York is a desert. Babylon is. In Mt. 24:26, Jesus said, "if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert (eremos); go not forth." In Rev. 17:3, John said, "he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness (eremos, desert): and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns."

The final Antichrist will be the Satan-possessed False Prophet, whose headquarters will be in Babylon. The world church will be headquartered there. Zechariah asked where the ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., world church) would be taken. The answer was, "To build it an house in the land of Shinar (where the Tower of Babel was built (Gen. 11:2).

The asteroid named Wormwood will strike Babylon in the land of Shinar. Zech 5:4 says, "it (the curse, i.e., Wormwood) shall enter into the house of the thief (False Prophet that steals the church), and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name (the Pope, who claims infallibility): and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof."

> > The army of the Lord will therefore literally pass through the grave or death and the Bible calls it the Abyss or the Bottomless Pit. And so the spiritual desert of Greenland is also the Abyss or simply put, the graveyard of the purified.

To me, the bottomless pit is the center of the Earth. It is opened by the asteroid Wormwood at Babylon, where I think the Lake of Fire will be formed. Rev. 19:20 says, "the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Isa. 34:8-10 says, "it is the day of the LORD's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion. And the streams thereof shall be turned into pitch, and the dust thereof into brimstone, and the land thereof shall become burning pitch. It shall not be quenched night nor day; the smoke thereof shall go up for ever: from generation to generation it shall lie waste; none shall pass through it for ever and ever."

> > Egypt is not the ancient Egypt anymore but the USA. The Nile is a great river in the mainland. Nor the gulf of the Egyptian sea cannot be the Red (or Reed) Sea anymore. Following the path toward Jerusalem is a thousand miles across the Atlantic Ocean, Europe even crossing the Euphrates River and down to the south, the Land of Canaan and finally Jerusalem. The author believes that the gulf of the Egyptian Sea is no other than the Atlantic Ocean. It is also the sea of trouble. It will be parted for the chosen from the west to walk through dry ground.

To me, Egypt is Egypt and the Nile is the river that will dry up after the Day of God's Wrath. Ethiopia is Ethiopia in Africa. The Egyptians will not be able to live in their land for the next 40 years. Eze. 29:10,11 says, "I am against thee, and against thy rivers, and I will make the land of Egypt utterly waste and desolate, from the tower of Syene even unto the border of Ethiopia. No foot of man shall pass through it, nor foot of beast shall pass through it, neither shall it be inhabited forty years."

> > It is a plain fact that by giving us the Holy Spirit we become the sons of God. It does not give distinction anymore with the Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself, the firstborn of all creation (1Cor 1:15). We become like Jesus and we can do exactly what He can! Hallelujah!

Jesus is both God and man. We should try to be Christlike, but we can never ever be exactly like him and "do exactly what He can." We are his adopted sons. He is the creator. John 1:3 says, "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." I I Cor. 5:19 says, "God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself." Heb. 1:1-3 says, "God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by (en, in) his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high."

Isa. 9:6 says, "unto us a child is born (inheriting his human nature from his mother), unto us a son is given (inheriting his deity from his Father): and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace." Agape

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Re: Islams holiest place Mecca

Mecca Saudi Arabia. The Masjid Al Haram is Islam's most holiest site. Muslims pray five times a day to Allah facing this mosque. QUESTION: what is in the black box?

My reply

If I remember right, it is a meteorite, a rock that fell from heaven. It is probably a piece of Satan's planet Rahab that was split in pieces. I think Satan's present dwelling place is on Wormwood (Rev. 8:11), another piece of Rahab. It is the key to the bottomless pit and will open the bottomless pit (Rev. 9:1,2). Isa. 51:9 says, "Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD (Christ, Isa. 53:1); awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut (lit., split) Rahab, and wounded the dragon (Satan)?" The Lord will save Israel. Isa. 52:1 says, "Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean." The asteroids will destroy Gog's united nations' army along with the towers at Babylon. Agape ---
Bush Pushing for Mideast Truce Talk, By JASON KEYSER
http://us.news2.yimg.com/f/42/31/7m/dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20010914/wl/israel_palestinians_1577.html
JERUSALEM (AP) - The United States has told Israel it wants Mideast truce talks held soon as part of a U.S. effort to build a broad coalition against Islamic militants - one that would also include Arab countries, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said Friday....

A diplomatic official said President Bush called Sharon and told him of his intention to build an international coalition to fight terrorism. Bush urged Sharon to support the truce talks... The official said Bush likely viewed progress on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as a key element to building an anti-terrorism coalition that would include moderate Arab countries such as Egypt and Jordan. ---

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