9-17-01 - Inside Russia, Bin Laden-Backed Moslem Rebels Capture Chechnya’s Second City Gudermes, Shoot Down Russian Gunship with Two Generals and 11 Troops
US Slaps Syria with Ultimatum: Break up Damascus-Based Palestinian Terrorist Groups Hamas, Jihad Islami, Fronts
The Palestinian Angle
9-16-01 - The Damascus-based Palestinian organizations targeted by the US for breakup are all members of Arafat’s own Palestinian Liberation Front – the PLO. After the US demand of Assad, Arafat is uncomfortably tensed for a similar American ultimatum. He can expect to face an uncompromising demand to detain or extradite to the United States activists of pro-Syrian Palestinian groups and leaders and operations chiefs of the Hamas and Jihad Islami – not to mention the Hizballah cells they harbor in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Non-compliance could carry the stiff penalty of having his Tanzim militia and presidential guard, Force 17, designated terrorist groups and therefore targeted by America’s international anti-terror offensive.
Aware of the threat hanging over his head, Arafat has suddenly changed his tune. Instead of giving the Israeli foreign minister Shimon Peres a farcical runaround over a rendezvous, Arafat is now practically begging to be allowed to meet Peres. If a senior Israeli official is prepared to sit down and talk to him, Arafat thinks he can argue he is no terrorist and does not deserve American ultimatums.
From 5doves site, Re: craigh915.htm
Craig Hughes (15 Sep)
"Reply on Mary Hansen's 9-14 post - re: no bodily rapture?"
Regarding the idea that our bodies die when we are raptured, I believe Enoch ( i.e. his body ) couldn't be found when he was "raptured". Also, Elijah was taken bodily into heaven as Elisha looked on. They searched for Elijah later, in case his body was picked up by an "invisible" tornado , I guess, but didn't find a body.
No, I believe we will be instantly changed, and completely changed in the twinkling of an eye. We will be going to heaven in our glorified new bodies. I don't believe the world will be staring at our left-behind old bodies.
Thoughts, anyone? In Christ
There is very little sand in the hourglass of our time before the Rapture. I think it could be any time between now and Dec. 19, which is 2300 days before Apr. 6, 2008 (by inclusive reckoning), when I expect the Second Advent. However, since the 10 kings have received no kingdom as yet when the Rapture takes place, the Feast of Trumpets (Sept. 18, 2001) and Cheshvan 17 (Nov. 3, 2001), when Noah entered the Ark and the door was closed, seem most likely.
In Rev. 17:14, we see that the Rapture has taken place. Those "that ARE with him (Christ) are called, and chosen, and faithful." At that time, the 6th head of the great red dragon is already in office, and the 7th head has not yet come. The "ten kings...have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast" (the 6th head).
The Rapture is as the days of Noah (Mt. 24:37). The 7 days that Noah knew exactly when the rain would come (Gen. 7:4) could represent the 7 days between the fall of the towers and the Feast of Trumpets. Since I think the 2nd Rapture is on the Feast of Trumpets, the 1st one could be too. Hos. 6:3 shows us that the Lord will return as the rain. That points directly at 2 dates, Tishri 1 (Feast of Trumpets) and Nisan 1 (1st day of the Jewish Regnal Year). Since Trumpets is the former rain, it seems likely that both the Pre-Trib Rapture and the Pre-Wrath Rapture will happen on a Tishri 1. I think the date of the latter rain is reserved for the Second Advent.
Luke 21:25-28 has more specific meaning to us now than ever before. Because of terrorist acts, we can now understand the "perplexity" and "distress of nations." It says, "there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars (constellations); and upon the earth DISTRESS OF NATIONS, WITH PERPLEXITY; the sea and the waves (i.e., people and nations, Rev. 17:15) roaring; Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken (Mid-Trib, Rev. 12:7,8). And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. And when these things BEGIN TO COME TO PASS, THEN LOOK UP, AND LIFT UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH." Eph. 4:30 says, "grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of REDEMPTION," (the Rapture).
The distress and perplexity may very soon include the disappearance of the Bride of Christ. If we have perplexity now, what will it be after the disappearance of many more in the Rapture?...
In Mt. 24:37-42, Jesus said, "AS THE DAYS OF NOAH were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the ONE SHALL BE TAKEN, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."
Concerning the days of Noah, Gen. 7:4 says, "YET SEVEN DAYS, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights." At the end of 7 days, the Lord shut the door. Now, we may be in a time when all males and females are yet able to accept Christ or to confess known sins since they accepted Christ and make it into the Ark (Christ) before the door is closed. There will come a time when Jesus says, "the time is at hand. He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. And, behold, I come quickly" (Rev. 22:11,12). We seem to be running out of time.
I agree that Babylon is literal. After the Rapture, Vatican City (Rev. 17:18) will be moved to Babylon. In Rev. 17:4, "the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls." In Rev. 18, it is the same woman that is "clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls." She has moved to Babylon. John saw her "SITTETH," present tense. Rev. 17:1 says, "Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that SITTETH upon many waters (nations, Rev. 17:15)."
Zech. 5:5-11 says, "Lift up now thine eyes, and see what is this that goeth forth. And I said, What is it? And he said, This is an ephah (largest wheat measure, i.e., largest church) that goeth forth. He said moreover, THIS IS THEIR RESEMBLANCE THROUGH ALL THE EARTH (i.e., it is the World Church). And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this is a woman that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. And he said, This is wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof. Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women (religious groups), and the wind was in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork (a migrating bird): and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah? And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar (Babylon, Gen. 11:2; Dan. 1:1,2): and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base" (where the Tower of Babel stood).
I see America in this verse: II Samuel 7:23 says, "what one (echad, united) nation (United States) in the earth is like thy people, even like Israel, whom God went to redeem for a people to himself, and to make him a name, and to do for you great things and terrible, for thy land, before thy people, which thou redeemedst to thee from Egypt, from the nations and their gods?" As a 2nd witness, I Chron. 17:21 says, "what one (echad, united) nation (United States) in the earth is like thy people Israel, whom God went to redeem to be his own people, to make thee a name of greatness and terribleness, by driving out nations from before thy people whom thou hast redeemed out of Egypt?"
What has happened here is a type of what will happen at Babylon, the twin towers will fall. We had two 110-floor towers. Why 110 and not one more or one less? Those 2 towers formed a huge number 11, so they had 11 x 10 floors. One was destroyed by flight 11 too. Why was 11 emphasized? I think it is because it is a twin, or type, of what will happen to Babylon on the Day of God's Wrath on Sept. 13, 2007. To emphasize it, there were twin towers, twin plane impacts, twin explosions and twin collapse of the towers.
The difference is in Isa. 30:35: "there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of WATERS in the day of the great slaughter, WHEN THE TOWERS FALL." On that day, 2 asteroids will impact Earth. The mountain burning with fire (Rev. 8:8) will hit the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5). The aster, star, of Rev. 8:10 will destroy Babylon. Those asteroid impacts will turn the Earth upside down. Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and TURNETH IT UPSIDE DOWN, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." Thus, not only will water overflow the land from the Mediterranean impact, there will be tsunamies when the oceans and seas react to the globe being flipped upside down. Agape
I admire and also appreciate your resolve in studying Biblical revelations for the past WOW! 40 years! There should be a lot of things I can learn from your writings through which I have just started to read.
The apparent reason of the differences perhaps is due primarily to geography. I have considered prophetic messages to be global in scale since most of the prophecies are for the end times and nations have grown big and population have spread throughout the world. God surely saw our time and spoke of our time. The Jews were scattered worldwide as a result of their nation.s downfall. If it is true that Jews multiply faster than the Gentiles in great number as the sand on a seashore because of the promise to Abraham, they are surely not confined anymore within just a small nation as in Israel we know today. They should be elsewhere. Tracing their route of migration and identifying them virtually unlocks all prophecies about Israel. America is a blessed land and a blessed, holy people. Their might, power and wealth are undoubtedly God-given. America.s brothers in Europe are of the same root, Jacob. they too are blessed and holy to God. It is no surprised that they are now in control of the world affairs. Their enemies are of the same descendants of Edom. yet they remain where they were, they can not expand since the birthright promise was taken away from him.
That is the work I have pursued. With that I find all directions such as north, northeast, west and south in harmony in relation to the present locations of God.s own people.
Usually, I find it hard for people to believe me. Sometimes I write hard and straightforward, I rebuke (I am sorry) in the way the Church should... that is obvious in the website. But I also think that we can not argue on prophecy since anyway our studies shall be judged by time. That time comes so near and I believe it shall happen within our own lifetime.
What I can comment on this early is about:
> It is a plain fact that by giving us the Holy Spirit we become the sons of God. It does not give distinction anymore with the Spirit of Jesus Christ Himself, the firstborn of all creation (1Cor 1:15). We become like Jesus and we can do exactly what He can! Hallelujah!
To me God is not limited into creating man alone. He can also multiply Himself and make gods out of us. To my understanding, that is His supreme goal. That is possible only in our perfect condition, after the Second Resurrection when He begins to populate the universe, the Heavens. The verses below have far more reaching consequences than we can ever imagine, sometimes we can not accept the reality and magnitude of this promise but to me I believe that the promise has no reservation except God.s overall authority. Being .heirs of God and co-heirs of with Christ. does not make any reservation on what is to be inherited even if we are only His adopted sons. The reason for that is answered in next lines pertaining to the universe. Many worlds exist but they are in decay waiting to be populated. Each heir shall be assigned another world, a city or cities to rule. We can recreate through Him and make a dead world alive. The size of the universe is so big and how much eternity it would take to fill it! Isn.t it so glorious? Abraham.s descendants shall multiply as the number of the stars as promised. If we are to take that as the real number of stars in the universe, for sure it has not been fulfilled yet even if we consider only the number of stars in just one or two galaxies.
.For if you live according to the sinful nature, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live, because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children. Now if we are children, then we are heirs-- heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory. I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies.. (Rom 13:23)
And in Ephesians 4:10: .He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe..
We in the Philippines declared this day, September 16, 2001 as a National Day of Mourning and the nation gathered in churches in prayer sympathy with the latest terror done in America. I prayed hard in tears more than I prayed for my own country before having had our own experience of terrorism. My prayer is to make the US a stronger nation and closer to God for terrorism shall continue on worldwide until the end. The only effective way to fight it is through prayers and not by weapons. May the Lord.s will be done. Love in Christ, Danny
Be careful not to follow the false teachings of British Israelism. The Bible gives the borders of Israel, and it does not include the whole world, or even Britain or the US. In Rev. 3:9 Jesus did not mince his words. He explicitly warned, "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee." Those are strong words coming out of the mouth of the Son of God. He is YHWH of hosts (Isa. 44:6), the Redeemer. He knows who are descendants of Jacob/Israel with distinctive DNA and who are not.
> > With that I find all directions such as north, northeast, west and south in harmony in relation to the present locations of God.s own people.
The Bible is Jerusalem oriented. The cardinal compass points are those of Jerusalem. North is north of Jerusalem, etc. What is north of Jerusalem could be east for the US. What is south of Jerusalem could be east for the US. To us, that part of the world is the Middle East.
> > To me God is not limited into creating man alone. He can also multiply Himself and make gods out of us. To my understanding, that is His supreme goal.
It is also the understanding of some off-base cults, but we, the created, are not equal to he, the Creator. Heb. 3:6 says, "Christ as a son OVER HIS OWN HOUSE; WHOSE HOUSE ARE WE, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end." Christ is "over" us. He is also "over" the angels. Heb. 1:6 says, "let all the angels of God worship him." Verse 13 asks, "But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?" The answer is none.
> > Each heir shall be assigned another world, a city or cities to rule.
The Bible tells of saints being over ten cities, etc., but it doesn't mention other worlds.
> > Abraham.s descendants shall multiply as the number of the stars as promised. If we are to take that as the real number of stars in the universe, for sure it has not been fulfilled yet even if we consider only the number of stars in just one or two galaxies.
The words "like" or "as" are symbolic language. Being as the stars for number does not mean that each of us will be placed on differents stars in the Universe.
Thanks to all who are praying for the USA. I hope this disaster will jolt people into getting right with God, here and abroad. This is not the worst that will come. It is terrible, but it is but a foretaste of what will come on the Day of God's Wrath, when not only the towers, but every wall will fall worldwide (Eze. 38:20). Civilization as we know it will be destroyed "when the towers fall" (Isa. 30:25). There will be such devastation and so few men left that only in Israel will the bodies be buried (Eze. 29:12,13). Agape
I can't imagine this going on for seven more months before the rapture ... thank you for all your hard work.
Dan. 8:13,14 says, "I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot? And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the SANCTUARY BE CLEANSED." According to Eze. 45:18, "In the first month, in the first day of the month (Nisan 1), thou shalt take a young bullock without blemish, and CLEANSE THE SANCTUARY." After that they keep Passover (v. 21). Dec. 19 is 2300 days before Nisan 1, 5768 (April 6, 5768). Agape
My friend is partially swayed that the bible is true and that prophecy is being fulfilled in our lifetimes. But, when I was asked how do you know the bible is referring to Russia...my mind was blank. God Bless You
Actually, as USA's emblem is the eagle, Russia's emblem is a bear, but she is not characterized as a bear in Daniel 7:5. It says, "behold another beast, a second, like to a BEAR, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh." This bear is the world empire of Media-Persia. How do we know that?
The Lord planned for the wise to be able to understand, but the wicked were not to understand (Dan. 12:10). Therefore, he didn't put everything down so point-blank plain that it could be understood by anyone. A friend told me that he told his children it was like God wrote the Bible, then cut it in pieces and put it back together in a different order. I think of it as working a complicated jigsaw puzzle. The Lord put it another way. Isa. 28:13 says, "the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken." His reason is so the nonbelievers will not understand and come into the judgment written.
We have to compare like things to piece together the whole story with all its details. They may be scattered, and not all found in one place. In this case, Daniel 7 tells us about a lion, a bear, a leopard and a terrible beast. To understand what they stand for, we have to go back to Daniel 2. Nebuchadnezzar had a dream of an image. Daniel gave the interpretation. Nebuchadnezzar was the "head of gold." Therefore, the Neo-Babylonian Empire was represented by the head of the statue. The breast and arms of silver represent the world empire that followed Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon--Media-Persia. After that is the empire represented by the belly and thighs of brass--Greece. Last, the iron legs and feet partly of iron and partly of clay represent the Roman Empire. Each of these follow this order in history.
Once we figure out these world empires, we know that the animals in chapter 7 also stand for Babylon, Media-Persia, Greece and Rome. The lion represents Babylon. THE BEAR REPRESENTS MEDIA-PERSIA. The leopard represents Greece. The terrible beast represents Rome. This knowledge helps us recognize what symbols stand for in other scriptures. For instance, in Rev. 13:2, the beast out of the sea (nations, Rev. 17:15) "was LIKE unto a leopard (Greece), and his feet were AS the feet of a BEAR (Media-Persia), and his mouth AS the mouth of a lion (Babylon). The words "like" and "as" are symbolic language. The final beast out of the nations is not Greece, or Media-Persia, or Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon. It is the next in the series (follows Rome) and has traits similar to the earlier empires. The mouth being the lion shows that this is the final Babylon, to be ruled by the Beast of Rev. 13:2-10 and the False Prophet of Rev. 13:11-18.
Gen. 10:2 says, "The sons of Japheth; Gomer, and MAGOG, and Madai, and Javan, and TUBAL, and MESHECH. These settled in the area north of Israel. We find Magog again in Ezekiel 38. The "land of Magog" is now Russia. Gog is the "chief prince of Meshech (now called Moscow) and Tubal (now called Tobulsk). This army attacks Israel from the north (Eze. 38:15). Moscow is due north of Jerusalem on the globe.
Gog heads up a great army that intends to wipe Israel off the map. Several countries are listed. Then it says, "and many people with thee." This includes all nations. Zech. 14:2,3 says, "I will gather ALL NATIONS (the united nations) against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle."
That takes us back to Isa. 22 and 24. Isa. 22:16-19 says, "What hast thou here (Babylon)? and whom hast thou here (the Satan-possessed False Prophet), that thou hast hewed thee out a sepulchre here, as he (Satan) that heweth him out a sepulchre on high (on the planet Rahab, now our Asteroid Belt), and that graveth an habitation for himself in a rock (Wormwood, a piece of Rahab after it split apart, Rev. 8:10,11)? Behold, the LORD will carry thee away with a mighty captivity, and will surely cover thee. He will surely violently TURN AND TOSS THEE (the asteroid Wormwood) LIKE A BALL INTO A LARGE COUNTRY (Iraq): there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house. And I will drive thee from thy station, and from thy state shall he pull thee down."
The final Babylon will be hit by this asteroid and wiped out. Rev. 18:21 puts it this way, "a mighty angel took up A STONE like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Isa. 24:1 says, "Behold, the LORD maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof." Eze. 38:20 shows that every wall will fall in the worldwide earthquake. Civilization as we know it will be destroyed like the WTC towers. The towers housing the UN and UR in Babylon will fall.
As a type, the airplane hitting the WTC tower pictured the asteroid coming in from the skies. Just as there were 2 airplanes, there will be 2 asteroid pieces (Rev. 8:8,10). The other asteroid will impact the Mediterranean Sea (Zeph. 2:4,5) and wipe out all of Gog's army but 1/6th (Eze. 39:2). I think the day Gog's army attacks and the towers at Babylon will fall is Tishri 1, 5768 (our Sept. 13, 2007). The Lord will save Israel that day with his own weapons. Agape
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